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Offline pomodoro

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2017, 02:03:44 PM »
What happens with the formula when you have destructive interference?

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2017, 01:50:46 PM »
What happens with the formula when you have destructive interference?

If you read and understand the explanations of the principle on my website (and/or Mr. Vajda’s book) you will understand that the energy balance is symmetrical. In the same way (and for the same reason) as excess energy can be generated based on constructive wave superposition, energy can also be destroyed when destructive interference is used instead. If this would not be so, then the universe would be extremely unbalanced, and we would most probably not exists in human form at all.


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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2017, 02:34:27 PM »
A quick read on the net shows that when two equal amplitude sound waves add they double in amplitude yet their power level only goes up by 6dB, which is 4x , just as expected, not any higher. Doubt this secret gas been hidden so long.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2017, 02:52:52 PM »
A quick read on the net shows that when two equal amplitude sound waves add they double in amplitude yet their power level only goes up by 6dB, which is 4x , just as expected, not any higher. Doubt this secret gas been hidden so long.

Why don’t you cite your reference? Is it a secret? Or are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
I don’t see any sign of logical thinking in your post.

The 4x resultant output power is exactly what I would predict as well, and exactly what proves the invalidity of the law of energy conservation in wave fields.

Let me spoon feed it for you: 2 units of power enter the system and after constructive superposition 4 units of power leave the system. The power gain is 4[W]out/2[W]in=2. We have gained twice as much power at the output as it has entered at the input.



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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2017, 03:12:07 PM »
For some (probably valid) reasons our goodman ZL and the originator Mr. Vajda are not able or willing to do more experiments or to build a prototype device providing excess energy.

So, we are stuck with words and personal opinions. Very unsatisfying situation and no conclusion in sight (like always). If one wants to contradict long established research the evidence has to be very strong and a working device seems to be the only way out. And exactly the working device is always missing when so called OU claims are made.

Lets's be grateful that nature does not allow OU. It would be the end of earth. Greedy and power hungry individuals would create a runaway situation causing incredible destruction. All military forces would try to outdo the enemy with excess energy. And almost all good people would waste energy like mad if it were available in abundance and very cheaply. Too much harm to the environment is done already by almost everybody even without OU devices. (I am no exception, unfortunately.)

OU is basically a runaway situation. A closed loop would create energy without bounds.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: I suspect ZL wants to advertise books or CDs and therefore he brings up the subject in certain Intervalls.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2017, 03:12:07 PM »
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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2017, 04:26:58 PM »

Just one of many similar sites.
Link is somehow not quite right but a google search will find it. Can't be bothered working out what I did wrong. Took 20 MIns alread
On stupid phone trying to edid.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/AddingAmplitudesAndLevels.pdf

By amplitude I referring to E in your formulas. So Power out is the two input powers added. No extra .

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2017, 06:07:47 AM »
I tried downloading the magyar patent, but this opened a webpage, trying to sell me a led telly.


So what's the deal?

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2017, 02:42:09 PM »
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I tried downloading the magyar patent, but this opened a webpage, trying to sell me a led telly.

Dieter, either your PC is infected with an adware, or Wordpress.com that hosts my website is displaying the ads, which is completely normal and expected. They are hosting my site for free at the moment, and thus they keep the right to display some ads now and then (from which I make no money, by the way). This does not prevent you from downloading the free content; all you need to do is just ignore any potential ad. I am watching the website traffic statistics, and people have no difficulty downloading the patent at all. But just to make sure you get it, here is a direct link to it again: https://feprinciples.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/hu9601424a2.pdf

Pomodoro, the pdf you have linked is too primitive to give you any decent insight into the subject. I have explained the subject in much more detail on the page:
https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/how-to-gain-free-energy-from-wave-fields-simplified-explanation/
If you are unable to understand what is written on that page and realize that the resultant output power is greater than the input power, then you are completely hopeless in this field of research. This field is just simply not for you, and I will not waste any time on trying to further explain it to you.

Conrad, you are obviously a disinfo agent of the establishment with an agenda to discredit and debunk any development in FE research, so I didn’t expect anything positive or useful from you.
But this overt brainwashing propaganda of yours is nasty and ignorant beyond words:

Lets's be grateful that nature does not allow OU. It would be the end of earth. Greedy and power hungry individuals would create a runaway situation causing incredible destruction. All military forces would try to outdo the enemy with excess energy. And almost all good people would waste energy like mad if it were available in abundance and very cheaply. Too much harm to the environment is done already by almost everybody even without OU devices. (I am no exception, unfortunately.)

This is like saying that guns, knives, screwdrivers, hammers, and even water etc. should all be banned, because evil people could use these tools to kill others. More correctly, it is like the global mafia who already use these tools to kill others and extort money, are sending their agents to brainwash their victims not to have these tools in their possessions (because they could use them for self defense against the mafia gang, and for self sufficiency).

The harm to the environment is done by the establishment who control the system of education and programs the young minds into thinking in wasteful and erroneous ways. As soon as this is corrected, a completely sane and spiritually mature society can be created. The destruction is done by the money masters who force a certain wasteful and selfish consumer way of life on people, keeping them in constant slavery to the money, which they control. In a society where food and other resources are plenty and easily accessible for all, people gladly share things with others. It is only scarcity and fear of not having enough, that make people selfish and evil. I could go on highlighting the problems of today’s society and power structure, and those responsible for it, but that would belong into a forum about politics and philosophy, not here.

There is indeed a very good reason why I have not published the detailed schematic of a working FE generator yet, and those with an IQ above room temperature will understand it, and be grateful for the information I have published so far, instead of picking on, and demanding what I have not given yet.

You are not stuck with mere opinions. What Mr. Vajda and I have shared is cutting edge science not just an opinion. If you are unable to understand it, then you are not qualified to criticize. As long as you can not point out exactly where the error is in Vajda’s book, your diatribe is only an incompetent personal opinion. Mr. Vajda has built at least two different FE generators based on the disclosed principles. One according to his patent application design, using antennas within a closed reflector domain, and the other based on waveguides and microwave devices.

Of course you and the other gang members will (and already have) come with the provocation “Show me! Or else we will laugh at you, and worse!” :-)) Now come one people, grow up! I don’t give a damn about such demands and provocations. More information will be shared when the time gets ripe, but not right now. Until then, people who are sufficiently intelligent and have sufficient relevant knowledge can use the revealed science to develop their own FE devices based on the principle of wave superposition. There are hundreds and thousands of different possible FE devices and inventions that can be built on this principle alone.

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P.S.: I suspect ZL wants to advertise books or CDs and therefore he brings up the subject in certain Intervalls.

Again a glowing example of your malicious intent to discredit and smear. First of all, this thread was hibernated and happily sleeping since June 30, 2016. I did not care to post, because I have nothing new to share at this time, and nothing much to sell either (except the patent translation for now). The only reason for me posting again is the disinfo campaign started by rakarskiy posted in this thread on February 13, 2017. Since this thread was started by me and concerns our research, I feel responsible for warning readers who are not part of the disinfo gang about the real malicious nature of the recent postings in this thread and their real agenda.

By the way, this forum is not fit for any serious FE discussions, because the obvious disinfo agents are allowed to run rampant and contaminate, confuse, discredit, and basically destroy any constructive discussion. Only the threads of hopeless FE ideas are (relatively) left alone, because they serve the same agenda to confuse and mislead. This forum is good only for announcements at the most. When it comes the time for serious collaboration, I will have to start my own forum, where I can keep the unwanted elements out.

As soon as I will have some new product to sell or new info to share, I will announce it proudly on my own without any provocation. And by the way, it is not a shame or evil to sell a product, book, service, or useful information! It is a decent exchange of service and work between parties. Are you ashamed to pick up your salary for your work, or accept money for a product you created? Some people really have awkward expectations, and a weird way of thinking! Those who don’t need what I have to offer, or don’t value it, should not buy it (or if free just ignore it). As simple as that.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2017, 03:03:47 PM »
A little bit of thought. On close examination there is no trick.
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supercapacitors or other elements, such as a hidden power source is not visible

possible arrangement of the oscillatory circuit.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2017, 03:36:23 PM »
A little bit of thought. On close examination there is no trick.
Photo1
Photo2
supercapacitors or other elements, such as a hidden power source is not visible

possible arrangement of the oscillatory circuit.

rakarskiy,

There is a possibility that the device is energy harvesting RF from a nearby source although the reported output power of .75 watts seems high if this is the case.

Regarding your schematic look closely at the number of flat coil leads attached to the circuit board.  There are a total of 10 not 8 meaning there are five coils not four. It appears that the inside coil closest to the circuit board components is bifilar wound but the outside coil is trifilar wound.

Also, the two "K" type tunnel diodes and trimmer caps would seem to indicate there are two finely tuned negative resistance oscillators.

Just some observations.

pm

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2017, 03:39:27 PM »
rakarskiy, please start your own thread and post your stuff there.
Don't contaminate this thread with your hoax!

People, don't get deceived by this rakarskiy deception! It is a hoax. It does not belong to this thread. The very fact of getting it posted here without any connection reveals its malicious intent to destroy this thread, and bury the real discovery that I have shared.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2017, 03:45:33 PM »
rakarskiy, please start your own thread and post your stuff there.
Don't contaminate this thread with your hoax!

People, don't get deceived by this rakarskiy deception! It is a hoax. It does not belong to this thread. The very fact of getting it posted here without any connection reveals its malicious intent to destroy this thread, and bury the real discovery that I have shared.

ZL,

Sorry for encouraging with my previous post and I will refrain from any more comments on your thread. 

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2017, 05:55:10 PM »
What you don't seem to understand is that in the action of adding the two waves that the impedance they look into is doubled as well.  Individually  two identical ,coherent sine waves from separate sine generators of 2V RMS with 1ohm resistors supply= 2x2/1= 4W each =8W total. Now stack generators in series, we get the 4V RMS but 2ohm load instead. = 4x4/2 =8W. No power gain.  You  don't even  need to make this circuit physically to understand how these waves add together and also see that the load doubles too.


Your formulas here have no load transformation, which you need to include since you are talking of power before and after mixing. Power? well you need loads not just voltage.
Good luck dude, not wasting my breath on your thread no more.

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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2017, 03:12:16 PM »
What you don't seem to understand is that in the action of adding the two waves that the impedance they look into is doubled as well. 

Typical weird thinking and talking of establishment shills. You haven’t got a clue about the science of EM waves but you dare to accuse us of not understanding wave superposition! :-)) The wave superposition that Mr. Vajda and I have discussed in the published material is accomplished in free space which has got a constant wave impedance of about 377 Ohms for EM waves at any point. The impedance of space where the two wave components enter the examined volume in far field is the same as the impedance of space where the resultant wave exits the volume. There is no doubling of any impedance here!

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Individually two identical, coherent sine waves from separate sine generators of 2V RMS with 1ohm resistors supply= 2x2/1= 4W each =8W total. Now stack generators in series, we get the 4V RMS but 2ohm load instead. = 4x4/2 =8W. No power gain. You don't even need to make this circuit physically to understand how these waves add together and also see that the load doubles too.

Hahaha… You made my day! Now come one sonny! Are you really this ignorant, or you just pretend to be? A simple AC circuit that you are discussing here is not adding any EM waves together! There is no wave superposition in your circuit at all. In order to generate excess energy, first of all you must generate EM waves. And I mean real waves, not just sinusoidally changing voltages and currents. Apparently you can not even differentiate AC voltages and currents from EM waves, then how did you come to the idea to criticize the principle in the arrogant manner you did? Simply mind boggling!

If one could generate excess energy by simply connecting AC sources and loads in series (or parallel, or in any arbitrary combination) do you really think Mr. Vajda would waste his time, work and money on developing relatively complicated wave chambers and antenna systems depicted in his patent application? Would it not be much more simple and cheaper to just connect two AC sources and two loads as you have described?

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Good luck dude, not wasting my breath on your thread no more.

Good riddance! Please keep your promise and don’t post in my threads, thanks! When someone knows what he is doing he does not need any luck. You need luck apparently because you haven’t got a clue, and you assume that I must be as ignorant as you are too. All I need is time and money; luck is not a factor in this research.

To everyone: It is not a sin to be ignorant about a subject, as long as one acts in a humble way knowing his limitations. I am also trying to be patient with such people, and explain things multiple times in different ways, because things can be learned by positively minded people who are really eager to learn. But when ignorance is combined with arrogance, and pride, and attacking real science with stupid arguments like pomodoro and other disinfo shills do, then I have no more patience for them. They should get what they deserve.



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Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2017, 04:17:16 PM »
Typical weird thinking and talking of establishment shills. You haven’t got a clue about the science of EM waves but you dare to accuse us of not understanding wave superposition! :-)) The wave superposition that Mr. Vajda and I have discussed in the published material is accomplished in free space which has got a constant wave impedance of about 377 Ohms for EM waves at any point. The impedance of space where the two wave components enter the examined volume in far field is the same as the impedance of space where the resultant wave exits the volume. There is no doubling of any impedance here!

Hahaha… You made my day! Now come one sonny! Are you really this ignorant, or you just pretend to be? A simple AC circuit that you are discussing here is not adding any EM waves together! There is no wave superposition in your circuit at all. In order to generate excess energy, first of all you must generate EM waves. And I mean real waves, not just sinusoidally changing voltages and currents. Apparently you can not even differentiate AC voltages and currents from EM waves, then how did you come to the idea to criticize the principle in the arrogant manner you did? Simply mind boggling!


By generating EM waves you mean the way they were generated by Hertz with
a capacitor as  dipole?

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