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Author Topic: Biefeld-Brown reloaded  (Read 1314 times)

Offline dieter

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Biefeld-Brown reloaded
« on: June 27, 2016, 08:12:03 AM »
Has anybody ever looked into the reverse Biefeld-Brown effect?

As T. Townsend Brown states in his patent "Asymetric capacitor transducer", 1962, the potential between the cap plates can be affected if the dielectric medium between them is mechanicly moved.

Variations of Voltage corelate with motion of the medium, that is the air between them. So, basicly an alternating air motion, caused by eg. a little modified fan can cause generate alternating current / charge at high voltage, where the amount of power depends on the surface area of the cap.

In some other paper, "force on asymetric cap" is stated that the propulsive force caused by the BB effect is about 1000x stronger than what could be achieved with ion wind only. So the "it's just ion wind" explanation is phony.

idea:

>>>>>>>>      .   ________________
fan >>>>>      .   ________________
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The dots  (actually wires towards the observer)is the small  + plate, the lines (actually sheets towards the observer) is the large minus plate. the fan is covered  by a slowly rotating sheet frequently to cause bursts of airflow, alternatively a bidirectional pump may work better.

Any data on experiments already done?

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Biefeld-Brown reloaded
« on: June 27, 2016, 08:12:03 AM »

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Re: Biefeld-Brown reloaded
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2016, 03:58:44 AM »
Seems to be uncharted land then - cool! Also, utube has nothing about it. A thousand people rebuilt lifters, but none tried the reverse thing, the generator.

According to the patent, a HV voltage bias must be provided. If the medium is then moved, the potential is varied accordingly. So, theoreticly, if I provide 50 kV and add a Fan, the voltage rises to eg. 100 kV.

Brown clearly states it is a way to convert mechanical work into electricity, so there must be some gain in the output. Interesting since the Fans' dissipation is pretty much decoupled from the HV part. At least interesting if you see the second law as I do: as a mere approximation, like eg. the "law" about the perfect gas.

Yes I may be talking to myself here, but hey, I find it rather convincing ^^

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Re: Biefeld-Brown reloaded
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2016, 12:23:27 PM »
Using an asymmetric cap in reverse to create power using wind?  That's a really neat idea :) .   Please share some of the rough-concept results you get, I am quite curious what kind of voltage/current you get from these tests.  Solid-state wind generator technology could be worth a fortune if it's viable.

A few thoughts to add/consider:
 * You may need to be blowing pre-ionized air to get voltage output.  If a box fan does not work, try putting an ionizer or vandegraff  generator or plasma globe in the airflow and compare the output.
 * Similar to above, try using water vapor or water-streams in the cavity and compare output
 * Adding magnets at the right angles might significantly improve your output.
 * You might get better results with dissimilar metals.  This will be easy as I assume you'll be using al foil and copper wire for the experiment.
 * Try coating the plates in varnish and see if that affects the results.  Or add a thicker dielectric like plastic wrap or  wax and compare the output.
* This might be related to what you're trying to do:    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper


Looking forward to your progress, it certainly sounds neat.

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Re: Biefeld-Brown reloaded
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2016, 12:44:51 PM »
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19281115&CC=GB&NR=300311A&KC=A


The gravitator motors of Figures 6 and 80 7 may be supplied with the necessary electrical energy for the operation and resultant motion thereof from sources outside and independent of the motor itself. In such instances they constitute external or 85 independently excited motors. On the other hand the motors when capable of creating sufficient power to generate by any method whatsoever all the electrical energy required therein for the operation o0 of said motors are distinguished by being internal or self-excited.
Heire, it will be understood that the energy created by the operation of the motor may at times be vastly in excess of the energy required 95 to operate the motor. In some instances the ratio may be even as high as a million to one.


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Re: Biefeld-Brown reloaded
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 10:33:58 PM »
Very useful, thanks to both of you. Pity I can access only the abstract of the patent linked by lancaIV.

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Re: Biefeld-Brown reloaded
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 10:33:58 PM »
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Re: Biefeld-Brown reloaded
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2016, 11:37:36 PM »
Nevermind, found the pdf: original document > download.


I was also thinking about some kind of ion stream torus, so any electrons / ions that pass by the 2nd electrode will not just be blown out of the machine, but run in circles and probably cause avalanche fx and particle knockoff boosting. I thought maybe 4 Asym. caps in "series", resembling a circle in a hollow torus chamber.

 

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