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Author Topic: H2 to 2H - what are the options?  (Read 8062 times)

Offline franco malgarini

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2016, 12:31:22 PM »
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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2016, 02:42:47 PM »
Say what you will.....The truth is that Nobody but  nobody beats the awesome Malgarini  paperweights!


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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2016, 03:14:49 PM »
Say what you will.....The truth is that Nobody but  nobody beats the awesome Malgarini  paperweights!

Actually, this device has the appearance of a Linear Faraday Generator, albeit in its own configuration.

See an example here https://www.google.com.au/patents/US8629572

Maybe not a total loss, if only the details were more specific!

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2016, 04:54:27 PM »
Cell with also High Tension



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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2016, 01:46:06 AM »
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Hello Franco,
                    Without being insulting, this last drawing is too simplistic. Without going into too much detai,l for starters, the introduction of HV will complicate your design proposition. You will need a controlled atmosphere of moist, warm humidity. Then you are more likely to create a Townsend discharge electron effect, with a high likelihood of plasma discharge. This  in turn will likely breakdown the Nitrogen into hydrogen components and create mass electron flow. Your hope of creating N, H and O will be severely challenged. The chamber required to mount your HV terminals and magnets will require some serious design considerations. I'll not go any further. Good luck, you are definitely on the right track, but have to choose your direction carefully. Leave out the HV and concentrate on the Lorenze effect using magnets in "series" with your electrolysing nodes.

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2016, 03:43:11 PM »

We have to experiment , experiment , experiment , but always with the goal of producing atomic gases at minimal cost ...

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2016, 12:28:34 AM »
We have to experiment , experiment , experiment , but always with the goal of producing atomic gases at minimal cost ...

Yes, but not to waste time trying prove something with the wrong techniques, and where the information you suggest is readily available. Often, experimenters' research their test procedures and form test hypotheses. Often, step by step, their hypotheses are successfully tested. Nothing wrong with what you are doing, its just that your drawings do not give the impression of a valid experimental procedure.

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2016, 08:16:40 PM »
Ferlini experiment for water magnetolysis

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2016, 12:16:21 AM »
This is all very nice and good, and yet I get the impression that I am the guinea pig in this experiment ... nah, just kiddin' ^^

Thanks very much, Franco. I don't mind if you sketch the worlds future on a napkin, as long as it is genious. Which it obviously is. Whether I am able to implement it is an entirely diffrent question :^) ... excuse me for using these unscientific smileys... that's just me.

I got some palladium and gallium here. Does anyone think a palladium-"doted" Ga alloy could function as a H-splitting, paintable membrane? Probably in a magnetic field? I do imagine fairly imperfect lattice structures containing permeable tunnels for small hydrogen atoms, kind of like a coffee filter.

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2016, 12:43:12 AM »
My sponsor found  that  the secret is splitting H2O in the 40 khz range.


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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2016, 03:01:10 AM »
Thanks, that's interesting, but the vid doesn't give much info, just some lab footage.

I do wonder about the neccessary amplitude or decibels, and whether there is a linear input / output ratio.

Uncoupling the methods of splitting and combusting (like: in sound, out heat) would certainly be promising, in terms of potential nonlinearity.
Also, 40kHz, even a simple, cheap joule thief could do that, just add a piezospeaker to it and sweep trough R1...

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2016, 03:45:45 AM »
This is all very nice and good, and yet I get the impression that I am the guinea pig in this experiment ... nah, just kiddin' ^^


I get the impression we are all of us the guinea pigs. It flits from one position to another.

Anyway, from your initial posting. Are you familiar with Randall Mills' work? Although it would seem after the years he is been at this that the opportunities are by way of investor funding! The catalyst I believe is associated with Potassium which he collects and recycles through the system.

http://brilliantlightpower.com/

Have a good day


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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2016, 04:24:46 AM »
Thank you, the same to you!

Randall Mills, rings a bell kind of...

Pity my browser cannot handle that page. I was just reading about Hydrinos, when most of the page vanished.

Anyhow, it didn't seem very open-sourced, considering the various "registrated trademark" symbols, but maybe I am missing  the point.

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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2016, 12:08:44 AM »
Anyhow, it didn't seem very open-sourced, considering the various "registrated trademark" symbols, but maybe I am missing  the point.

Hello,
         I was pointing to the development of those technologies that you expressed in the start of the thread: the exception being the conversion of energy using solar cells; originally proposed back in the 1930's through the use of silicon for the facilitation of "lightning" reproduction . Also, I get the impression that Dr Randall Mills is using his selective demonstrations solely for the purpose of fund raising, which has been going on for some time.

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I think that this is an area Franco was interested in. Using HV to extract N H O from the atmosphere, which in fact creates a resolution of unstable atmospheric conditions and a massive energy flow! . I have a good book called "Ball Lightning and Bead Lightning" J D Barry, that documents the history of investigations into lightning production. Worth reading.

However, importantly, his work is a step forward and in the marketplace.

Thanks


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Re: H2 to 2H - what are the options?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2016, 08:26:06 AM »
There is also the electrolysis with lead amalgam catode, very simple:


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