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I think you are probably correct Brad. Indications are that all wires are connected in the same direction. No cancellation.Back to square one...

I will be catching up with Russ on skype soon,so i will get the answer,and post here when i have it.Anyone have any idea as to how accurate those analog meters will be in those conditions?Brad

They will also introduce errors and phase shifts of their own. There simply isn't enough detail in what I've seen to be able to tell for sure just how useful the analog meters can be. The setup needs to be calibrated in various ways. Again, my MicroQEG playlist covers a lot of the possible effects and possible measurement errors in this type of reactive power situation. (And the whole list is not that long to watch....) I wonder if Russ has watched it. Maybe the MicroQEG circuit is even appropriate to drive the Rodin coil, instead of the expensive audio amplifier+signal generator setup, since it is auto-resonating and will automagically drive the coil at the resonant frequency set by the coil and the parallel capacitors used to form the output tank circuit.

The meters may give a good "average" of voltage and current. They will _not_ tell you the phase difference between voltage and current, which is the critical point.

A proper power analyzer, or maybe Russ's scope's Power Analyzer software, needs to be understood and correctly applied to this problem.

I also noted that the Current Probe he has bought has its own phase shift that needs to be accounted for, and the Data Sheet for the probe only lists the phase shift from DC to 65 Hz, whereas the useful range of the probe is 100 kHz. Why doesn't the data sheet give full information about the phase shift/response latency of the probe?

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Hello together,update Video from Russ and his work on the Rodin (007 Style) Coil. Duration 5h38min.https://youtu.be/tl0qopTBQA0

I like Russ and his work.

For Information:PDF File from the 007 OU? Experiment.http://rwgresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Rodin-007.pdfKeywords: Voltage Step up, Phase shift, Gain, Reactive Power, measurement error?

Rodin Coil Labs Over Unity Energy Amplifier, 640P, May 28th 2016https://youtu.be/ESjC5G_glx4Keywords: Share all Information, Teaching, DC to DC Introducer

Videos from Global BEM 2016 -007 Live presentation- Playlist007 starts with video 6 of 14.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLr6U3JfQRaDR5CKu5PfkRZ0v6amPoXjtI

Some more Information about ABHA / Rodin Coils and the eventually special Properties.Solenoid Coil versus POE Vortex Coil => Wireless Potential ?https://youtu.be/DaT_IpigOtYRodin Coil Inductance Vs. Standard Coil Inductance => Negative Inductance ?https://youtu.be/OWa0tluDiqg

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MH, Isn't that pushing a little bit. I, personally, would call that almost a "Trick" question. I'll give my reasoning, and you let me know (or maybe let others let me know what I am missing...)You made the simple statement "Ideal" for BOTH the voltage source and the Inductor. To me, and to all that I have worked with, that would indicate exact voltage with no current limit for the voltage source and NO resistance (R=0) for the inductor. Zero can be hard to work with, for me.To actually use these values, wouldn't you need to drop back to basic calculus? To get a simple idea, however, you can plug in .01 Ohm to the general equations and at the 3 second mark we are near 30A of "Real" current through a 5 Henry inductor. It looks nicer by making a little Excel spreadsheet and plotting the current vs time, but now I'm edging away from the question.For actual values (Read exact theory proposed values.), I don't see a simple way to calc anything exactly. Am I missing something? Or am I taking this too literally?

MH, Isn't that pushing a little bit. I, personally, would call that almost a "Trick" question. I'll give my reasoning, and you let me know (or maybe let others let me know what I am missing...)You made the simple statement "Ideal" for BOTH the voltage source and the Inductor. To me, and to all that I have worked with, that would indicate exact voltage with no current limit for the voltage source and NO resistance (R=0) for the inductor. Zero can be hard to work with, for me.To actually use these values, wouldn't you need to drop back to basic calculus? To get a simple idea, however, you can plug in .01 Ohm to the general equations and at the 3 second mark we are near 30A of "Real" current through a 5 Henry inductor. It looks nicer by making a little Excel spreadsheet and plotting the current vs time, but now I'm edging away from the question.For actual values (Read exact theory proposed values.), I don't see a simple way to calc anything exactly. Am I missing something? Or am I taking this too literally?I find it hard to imagine anyone working with ANY coil would not have the basic understanding of exponential current rise... How could you even test without that?Are not Q, bandwidth and parasitic values not common info available all over the net for anyone to look up?OR, is this a raw demonstration of how naive I am when it comes to my expectations of basic knowledge?OK, I'm starting to feel very stupid and foolish. I should delete this but others need to see how useless I have become in the real world of fake experimental results. Wow.....I think I will hide for a while and try to recover my dignity. I see that I missed the whole point of the "Quiz". Sorry.