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Offline Dog-One

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Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« on: June 02, 2016, 06:26:11 AM »
Look'n pretty good from a distance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_EEEz1pmsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESjC5G_glx4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvTOb8Ix7ug

Presented live at GBEM 2016.


And first to begin a confirmation replication is Russ Gries:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37038

If anyone wants to lend a hand, please register at OSE and jump into the fray.

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Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« on: June 02, 2016, 06:26:11 AM »

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2016, 10:11:22 AM »
Someday, someone will actually perform a real comparison test between "rodin coils" and ordinary solenoid coils with the same inductance and DC resistance... and they will find out something interesting.

There is no "overunity" shown in the videos you link, just artsy coils that have no special properties, along with bad measurements and faulty interpretations.


I could just as well show you this video and claim massive overunity... and I was invited to present this at GBEM too. But I refuse to dress up my systems with gobbledegook language and make false claims about them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdrAE_IZ74


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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2016, 01:21:30 PM »
Someday, someone will actually perform a real comparison test between "rodin coils" and ordinary solenoid coils with the same inductance and DC resistance... and they will find out something interesting.

There is no "overunity" shown in the videos you link, just artsy coils that have no special properties, along with bad measurements and faulty interpretations.


I could just as well show you this video and claim massive overunity... and I was invited to present this at GBEM too. But I refuse to dress up my systems with gobbledegook language and make false claims about them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdrAE_IZ74
Ha Ha ! you do have a point I suppose about the over unity as far as I could get my coils to go, but you can create a 'Mono Pole Magnet with this device.

But Marco Rodine does have points about the 3 6 and 9 points especially about the 9 being the in resonance with the Universe, and Quantum Entanglement I'm not going to say the Gold, Oil, Diamonds, thing as I know demonic entities exist, but try F at 432 = 9. It might make a good demonic entity repellant who knows, you could be the first to market it ;) it might even work, the way things are going in the world.

Anyway where does M Rodine claim over unity ?



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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2016, 02:21:29 PM »
Matt
there are plenty who care..

Thanks.
looking forward to Russ's art work ,and results.

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37038

@ Tinsel
Can you comment here on where you feel the Errors are being made in measurement protocol ?

respectfully

Chet

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2016, 02:21:29 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2016, 08:48:18 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6BC8mT5fFk

(and more of the same--TK)

If anyone cares about artsy coils and flawed measurements.

You are kidding, right? Compare that first video, for example, with mine which I will link again here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdrAE_IZ74


Matt
there are plenty who care..

Thanks.
looking forward to Russ's art work ,and results.

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37038

@ Tinsel
Can you comment here on where you feel the Errors are being made in measurement protocol ?

respectfully

Chet


I have commented many times and I have even demonstrated how to make such bad and misleading measurements myself. That first video in Dog-One's post is typical. Watch it if you can stand it. Unfortunately _measurements_ don't run loads or provide energy. (I could piss into the wind, too, but still won't get a cheezburger).

Typical errors include measuring reactive power and claiming OU because it exceeds input power. Measuring "output" voltage and current in different branches is another typical error. Failing to properly synchronize probes with different time constants is another typical error (Alek, Steorn). Creating ground loops that allow part of the input power to affect measurements of output power is yet another one. Failing to account for duty cycle (mistaking instantaneous power for average power). Using energy storage, like flywheels or capacitors and failing to account for the energy supplied to the storage system. Battery effects, fluffy charge, heating, etc. Simple fraud and fakery by people who are trying to sell something or attract investment. And I'm sure that people experienced in these matters can think of many more.

None of the Rodin coil fans will ever achieve a "self runner" nor will they ever power another identical setup from the output of a first setup, with extra power left over to run a real load. Why not? I know why... and so do you, and so does Russ.

I have no doubt that Russ will be able to reproduce the _measurements_ from such systems by using the same setups that the claimants are using. And if he's got the savvy, he'll realize what's happening and do some other measurements and tests of his own to show what's really happening.


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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2016, 02:06:42 PM »
Tinsel
Thanks for the response and very valid points on "measurement points" Phase ...Timing , stored energy, etc etc .
In your Vid I see a nice surprise "Exnihiloest " responded .
He is one talented fellow !

Regarding Russ and his replication of this.
I believe he is One Sincere replicator that would gladly investigate any path towards proper measurement
protocol and not shy away from it for his own personal gain or benefit.

and you can take that to the bank !

Sincerely
Chet K 

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2016, 02:06:42 PM »
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Offline Dog-One

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2016, 02:56:24 AM »
Screw it guys.

It may not work, but it sure looks cool.     8)

It's the kind of thing I would love to have in my epic fail pile; especially after I die and the scrap collectors come to empty my house.  Probably blow their mind.

Might be good though to put a little note on it stating, "Please look-up a fellow that goes by the name of TinselKoala and ask him what it's for and what it does."  Just for safety sakes.  Wouldn't want anyone falling down some bottomless rabbit hole.

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2016, 04:00:45 AM »
This is for the Rodin fan boys and anybody that is interested in basic electronics, and especially for the lurkers from Russ' forum:

Anybody can look up what the magnetic field is like around a long straight current-carrying wire.  Everyone knows that magnetic fields add up together like vectors.  That's why the power cord for your toaster (lots of current) does not really give off a noticeable magnetic field.  One wire is carrying current say from left to right and generating a clockwise magnetic field around the wire.  The other wire is carrying current from right to left and generating a counter-clockwise magnetic field around the wire.

If you are one foot away from the power cord you "see" a clockwise magnetic field and a counter-clockwise magnetic field.  They are in opposite directions so they cancel each other out.  So what you really "see" is essentially no magnetic field at all.

This is the most basic fundamental stuff about magnetic fields, and it applies to any wire or any coil, including a Rodin coil.

So look at the nice picture of the Rodin coil and visualize it as being composed of a bunch of short one-inch segments that are essentially short segments of straight wire.  Now, imagine the magnetic field that is being produced by each one-inch segment.  Pay particular attention to how the orientation of each one-inch segment is relative to the other one-inch segments.

So, what do you have when you look at the Rodin coil in this way?  You have a whole bunch of magnetic fields at different orientations doing vector summation with each other.  You can easy see how there is some vector addition, and some vector cancellation.  For sure, there is a whole lot of vector cancellation going on.

What is the final result of all of this?   The coil has some resistance and some inductance.  Because of the considerable amount of magnetic field vector cancellation taking place, that reduces the net amount of inductance in the Rodin coil compared to a conventionally-wound coil that could be made with the same amount of wire.  Or, you can say that you could make a conventional coil with less wire than the Rodin coil and still get the same amount of inductance.

No matter how you look at it, in the final analysis a Rodin coil is just an inductance, and the way it is made is rather inefficient because of all of the undesirable magnetic field vector cancellation that is inherent in the "bird's nest doughnut weave" that is done to make the coil.

If Russ is going to embark on some kind of test regimen, then the smart thing to do would be to make a comparably-sized conventional coil and tweak it so that it will show the same amount of inductance on the inductance meter as the Rodin coil.  Call that the "control coil."  Naturally the control coil will have less wire resistance compared to the Rodin coil because it generates a magnetic field more efficiently.

Whatever tests that Russ does with the Rodin coil should also be done with the control coil.  Any tests related to power out vs. power in should show the control coil is superior because the wire resistance is lower.

Again, you just have to look at the picture of the Rodin coil to see intuitively how there is a whole mess of magnetic field vector cancellation going on that serves no real purpose.  Likewise, there is no such thing as a "special coil winding technique that has unique properties."  In the final analysis, a coil is just a coil.

Any lurkers from Russ' forum are welcome to post my comments on his forum thread if they want.  Right now I am assuming that what I state above is not in the thread on his forum, and if that's the case it should be stated.

MileHigh

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2016, 05:30:10 AM »
Found on YT.

ABHA Coil Analysis 1
https://youtu.be/uiJqlnWTK7w

ABHA Coil Analysis 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsU-IdHNlaw

ABHA Coil Analysis 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIX3gNR-PBs

The coils show a special, non typical behavior.
Also the design is very important.

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Love and peace
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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2016, 05:30:10 AM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2016, 05:38:57 AM »
The coils show a special, non typical behavior.
Also the design is very important.

What makes them special?
What is the non-typical behaviour?
Why is the design very important?

You posted three clips that are actually from "TheOldScientist."  They total almost an hour in length.

Can you answer the questions?

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2016, 04:11:47 PM »
so far
There Pretty to look at [just one reason]
Some love them soo much they would wish them an heirloom or legacy [once found] ...another reason.

Miles
You underestimate Russ's honesty and do diligence !!
 


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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2016, 12:57:25 AM »
so far
There Pretty to look at [just one reason]
Some love them soo much they would wish them an heirloom or legacy [once found] ...another reason.

Miles
You underestimate Russ's honesty and do diligence !!

I glanced through Russ' thread and I don't think my comments posting about what a Rodin coil really is would have any effect and they would be given a very negative reception.  I am going to post on his YouTube account asking him to make a control coil.

TheOldScientist is another puzzling guy.  I managed to get through his three clips.  I have looked at his clips before and he has beautiful state-of-the-art equipment.  But unfortunately his clips consistently come up short and the three clips linked to here are the same.  No schematic, and he he has a fancy gated signal generator that he feeds into the coil and light bulb setup (whatever it is), but ultimately his clips amount to not much more than looking at squiggly lines on a fancy four-channel DSO display.  He speaks something that sounds passably like bench tech, but it never delivers and many times it's pointless sounding.  He frequency sweeps, and drops the terms "energy harvesting" and "energy amplification" all over his clips, almost like seasoning.  After looking at nearly an hour's worth of "testing" of three different Rodin coils, I am not enlightened at all.  I am quite sure the "big guns" would agree with me.

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2016, 01:12:05 AM »
<<< Russ, for your Rodin coil replication and over unity testing and replication project there is an important thing that you want to do. Once you have your finalized build of your Rodin coil, then measure the inductance with an inductance meter.  Then, make a conventional "control coil" of roughly the same diameter as the Rodin coil that has the same inductance as the Rodin coil.  Just tweak the number of turns and measure with the inductance meter, etc.  Naturally this coil will consist of much less wire, and have less resistance, as compared to the Rodin coil.  Then, when you do a test with the Rodin coil, make the same test with the control coil.  Doing this will open up a whole new dimension of discussion on your thread, and it is simply the right thing to do. >>>


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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2016, 01:40:03 AM »
Miles
You underestimate Russ's honesty and do diligence !!

I checked out his thread and his latest clip.  He is honest and openly admits that he has very little knowledge about electronics and is taking some preliminary steps to get up the learning curve for this test.  I am nearly 100% confident that he would not be able to answer the famous ideal voltage source/ideal coil question, and I seriously doubt anybody participating in the thread on his forum could do it as well.  Not surprisingly, nobody is discussing the basics about how a coil works, they are unaware and focusing on other things.

So, unfortunately we are back in uncomfortable territory.  Marko Rodin asks Russ to do some tests that will be extremely difficult for Russ to perform.  Where will it go, or will it just go in circles?

MileHigh

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Re: Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device
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