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Author Topic: Cap to Cap dump  (Read 9278 times)

Offline verpies

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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2016, 08:54:13 AM »
That is what I was wondering, if you meant by conduction,, I thought it would be the field collapse,, relaxation, driving the plate current\voltage relationship so as to provide the same energy out from the plates as the energy of the charge put in to start with.
That's what I had in mind, too.

Could this be setup using a capillary type arrangement?

Not that I could do that but others might be able to do it easier,,

So a few long strips of metal in a container that is sealed on the sides but open top and bottom,, a large enough tank holding a liquid dielectric so that when you hold the plate assembly just at the top of the dielectric and charge the plates it would either pull the dielectric up between the plates or pull the plate assembly down into the dielectric,, either way discharge the plates to recover the input,, if the plates are pulled down and into the dielectric you could use something for that mechanical work done, or use the height the liquid is pulled to.
That could work, too, however the viscosity of the liquid would make it hard to account for the mechanical energy of the moving liquid.

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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2016, 08:54:13 AM »

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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #76 on: June 16, 2016, 02:02:25 PM »
I was thinking that a strip like 0.5mm thick, 10cm tall and 1m wide and spaced like 1mm apart,,

These would then be allowed to drop into a water tank,, maybe with some additive in the water to help.

If there were 100 plates that would have a 10cm by 10cm by 1m slug of water,, I think that would be enough to show force even with the viscosity of water,,

So that is 1mm per plate so if need be lets say there are only 4 plates,, that is still enough for even a crude system to show mechanical energy and then it is the recovery of the charge,, it really is all about the recovery of the charge.

If using one of the crystalline dielectrics,, well having a solid shape moving by a solid shape raises the level of build quality but also raises the mechanical output.

I need to look into the distance that water can span,, I think that should be the max separation,, or maybe that should be the least distance of separation??

Assisted capillary action :) funny picture in my head with that one,, water in a wheelchair and a tazer :)

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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #77 on: June 16, 2016, 03:28:55 PM »
These would then be allowed to drop into a water tank, maybe with some additive in the water to help.
Water has small viscosity but it is a dielectric only when very very pure.
In my experience any contact with dust or nitrides or sulfides on the surface of the plate metal, renders water conductive (non-dielectric).

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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2016, 03:43:32 PM »
Got a better idea?

I am looking towards something that is very cheap and easy to attain,,

Hydrogen peroxide maybe? <== the diluted stuff I can buy :)


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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #79 on: June 16, 2016, 11:36:29 PM »
Dumb question,, off topic,,

If I have a center tapped coil and an AC supply and two diodes.

If I connect the diodes to the coil leads,, and then connect the other ends of the diodes together and attach those to one side of the supply,, then hook the center tap to the other side of the supply,,

I would have a constant direction to the magnetic field,, right?  it might wobble but it would be the same polarity,, if I had another set of diodes so that I could switch between the diodes then I could reverse the magnetic field,, right?

This would allow for the source to go through the coil, build a magnetic field of a given polarity and maybe even allow for the use of the source elsewhere,, this would then disconnect the AC frequency from the coils magnetic polarity.


I was thinking about one of those push\pull solenoids

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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #79 on: June 16, 2016, 11:36:29 PM »
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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2016, 03:24:51 PM »
Is anyone trying the "dipping cap" thing??

The numbers seem to suggest that it should work.

It will take me a while before I can get to trying it,, but if it does work then there you go,, free work for the operator.

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« Reply #81 on: July 08, 2016, 06:59:06 PM »
What if you connected the plates of a cap together,, then polarize the dielectric and then while the dielectric is polarized you open the connection and remove the polarizing force?

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Re: Cap to Cap dump
« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2016, 08:20:57 PM »
I have been playing with this setup,, not sure what it is.

What it started out as was a Full Wave Voltage Doubler, then I thought about how there is a "mystery" loss when you dump charge cap to cap.

So I was wondering,, if you took the caps from zero and raised them both up via a FWVD but instead of just connecting the other side of the caps to a common wire why not use a center taped transformer,,

I figured that to get the current to flow through the transformer I would need to short the secondary,, or put it in another cap,, and that is what I get.

My AC is my hand crank brushless  3 phase motor,, I am using only 2 legs,, one goes to the diode connection and the other goes to the center tap.

You get another "boost" to the outside cap when you short the two 14000uf caps,, or dump them through another coil.


I am trying to learn how to build an oscillator so I can use an AC input and all that stuff,,

I thought I would share what looks like maybe a gain???

 

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