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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2016, 04:33:13 AM »
555-based Pulse Width Modulation circuit:

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2016, 04:34:25 AM »
Simple PLL VCO circuit with "resonant detection" LEDs:


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2016, 12:50:47 PM »
Simple PLL VCO circuit with "resonant detection" LEDs:
But the phase comparators are not used and the VCO does not track the resonant frequency of the coil :(

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2016, 11:02:45 AM »
But the phase comparators are not used and the VCO does not track the resonant frequency of the coil :(

Yes, that's right. I should have elaborated more. That circuit is used to determine the resonant frequency of the coil, by manually adjusting the potentiometer which varies the frequency of the VCO. When the resonant frequency is reached both LEDs will light up.

Here's the full implementation of the PLL used in my TinselKoil IX:



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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2016, 02:07:41 AM »
Thanks TinselKoala for posting your hard work for us to enjoy. I appreciate that very much.
I think this will help many of us as we build and test our coils in this manner.

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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2016, 02:07:41 AM »
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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2016, 03:23:07 AM »
Yes, that's right. I should have elaborated more. That circuit is used to determine the resonant frequency of the coil, by manually adjusting the potentiometer which varies the frequency of the VCO. When the resonant frequency is reached both LEDs will light up.

Here's the full implementation of the PLL used in my TinselKoil IX:

Can you please show the DSO waveform of a pulse?  Best to have the current across a one ohm resistor and the voltage cross a coil.

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2016, 11:40:47 PM »

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2016, 02:10:30 PM »
Ok,well i guess it comes down to whether you want to work with the truth,or follow the Bedini brotherhood?.

The brotherhood would have you believe that the bedini circuits pull in radiant energy,but the truth is,the bedini circuits actually emit radiant energy-they do not pull it in.
This radiant energy is in the form of electromagnetic energy,that is emitted from the inductor/coil of the bedini circuit's. Some of this radiant energy is also emitted as heat,by way of resistive heating. Anything that has resistance,and where a current flows through that resistance,heat is emitted-or radiated away from the circuit,and dissipates into the surrounding air.

The biggest problem here,and why some believe that the bedini circuits produce some sort of !overunity! effect,is due to the lack of understanding between surface charge,and deep charge of lead acid batteries.

The second !trick! that you see on bedini's forum's,that is in some way suppose to prove more P/out than P/in,is what they call the !1 ohm !test. But what they do not understand,is the current loop that exist within the circuit,and it is in this current loop where they place there 1 ohm resistor to try and show more power out than in.

Todays !off the shelf! boost converters are far more efficient than the bedini circuit's,and a lot of battery chargers these day's come out with a desulphator function.

But it's like i said--you can choose the bedini way,or you can choose the truth-->it's up to you.


Brad

HelloTinman,
                    I think your arguments about John Bedini are somewhat simplistic. First credit has to be given to him for developing an interest into examining "radiant energy" - whatever this means to you. You criticise the 1 ohm test, which originates back into 1984ish. Things have moved on a bit since then, and even John Bedini himself admits the simplicity of the demonstration. It was performed in the formative years. Where it would appear, you still reside. Then again, John Bedini categorically states that there is no such thing as free energy, its all about understanding the physics of, as you might call it, the trick! As for off the shelf battery chargers and converters, have you not heard on John Bedini's company Energex. Perhaps, you might like to have a go at that too?

John Bedini is very careful about detailed explanations. Many find this annoying. they like to have explanations spelt out. John Bedini does not do that. He would prefer that you have a go at it yourself and then seek some assistance. For those committed to experimentation and research, they will find the clues to some of his discoveries. I suppose his one wire demonstration to the IEEE members of Tesla's one wire electricity was a "trick" as well. The list goes on. I am not of the Brotherhood, or associated with him in anyway whatsoever. I just review the information, try replicating circuit or ideas and move on.

I suppose the question begging, that we would all like an answer to is "What is the Truth?"


Have a nice day

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2016, 04:06:20 PM »
HelloTinman,
                    I think your arguments about John Bedini are somewhat simplistic. First credit has to be given to him for developing an interest into examining "radiant energy" - whatever this means to you. You criticise the 1 ohm test, which originates back into 1984ish. Things have moved on a bit since then, and even John Bedini himself admits the simplicity of the demonstration. It was performed in the formative years. Where it would appear, you still reside. Then again, John Bedini categorically states that there is no such thing as free energy, its all about understanding the physics of, as you might call it, the trick! As for off the shelf battery chargers and converters, have you not heard on John Bedini's company Energex. Perhaps, you might like to have a go at that too?

John Bedini is very careful about detailed explanations. Many find this annoying. they like to have explanations spelt out. John Bedini does not do that. He would prefer that you have a go at it yourself and then seek some assistance. For those committed to experimentation and research, they will find the clues to some of his discoveries. I suppose his one wire demonstration to the IEEE members of Tesla's one wire electricity was a "trick" as well. The list goes on. I am not of the Brotherhood, or associated with him in anyway whatsoever. I just review the information, try replicating circuit or ideas and move on.

I suppose the question begging, that we would all like an answer to is "What is the Truth?"


Have a nice day

The truth is this.
I have watched video's where John clearly says his pulse motors will run them self--not one to date is able to do that.
You have Arron The rookie,and Peter Lindermann selling books of !secrets! that also claim to lead the way to self runners--but they never do.
I have been experimenting with pulse motors for many years now,and i can tell you straight that one will never run it self-->any resistance means a loss,and all of Johns devices have wires,and that = resistance.
The 1 ohm test is a farce ,and nothing more than a trick to those who know no better.
Another fact is,that some of the !off the shelf! battery reconditioners are more efficient than anything John has to date.
Another fact is,John was not the first to design or build a transistor triggered/switched pulse motor that used the inductive spike to do work-see link below,and find the truth
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Logbooks/Science-and-Electronics/Science-and-Electronics-1969-12-01.pdf


Not you,or anyone else(even those like Peter Lindermann,John Bedini,and Arron the rookie) can show a self runner--this is fact,not fiction,and yet they take peoples money on that false premise.



Brad

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2016, 04:25:48 AM »
Hello Everyone,

I'm quoting myself here from the beginning of this thread and would like to pick up here.

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Is this actually true?

The reason this is so important is because if the higher amount of radiant energy which Tesla talked about is to be achieved, then the frequency of the cycle has to be in the megahertz to nanohertz range (I think l I read this from The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity, but I'm not sure) with a narrow "On Time," which doesn't seem possible with a simple rotating wheel with magnets attached, or using a Hall Effect sensor, etc. I wouldn't expect these rates to be accomplished without actually utilizing a solid state circuit controlled by a microprocessor, or other dedicated timing chip to generate the timing to the NPN transistor or other such device triggering the magnetic field activation and collapse.

And along these same lines, then it seems reasonable that an air core coil would be more useful because of its working in the higher frequency ranges.

After going back through my notes.
1. How would Tesla ever have achieved the frequencies (megahertz to nanohertz ranges) he mentioned with the equipment in the late 1800's to early 1900's. Amazing. More importantly, there are frequency generators on the market in the tens of thousands of dollars and upwards USD, that can actually generate these signals in the extremely high frequency range in  which Tesla mentioned.

2. At least on one of the points I had written down in dealing with Tesla says in paraphrase,
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Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 microseconds (1 million microseceonds per second--this equals 1 megahertz) are completely safe to handle and will not cause shock or harm.
So actually getting or making a frequency generator of this type may be difficult or expensive, and maybe not even completely necessary, considering that my initial query dealt with being able to trigger a coil without a rotating mechanism.
And this last point,
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Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 nanoseconds (1 billion nanoseconds per second--this equals 1 gigahertz) are cold and easily cause lighting effects in vacuum globes.

3. Many low cost frequency generators abound on Ebay, and TinselKoala was considerate enough to provide several circuits and his Youtube videos, including the discussion we had concerning PLL and Tesla coils. I believe the 555 timers can get frequencies over 1 MHz with the right capacitors and resistors. My question in this area actually deals with creating a high frequency (megahertz range) coil and what parameters are involved to create that device. Specifically does it have to do with wire size,length, wire wraps, length of coil, and diameter? And if any of this is true, what algorithm can be used to consistently do this?

Thanks for everyone's involvement,
earthbound

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2016, 07:22:03 AM »
Hello Everyone,

I'm quoting myself here from the beginning of this thread and would like to pick up here.

After going back through my notes.
1. How would Tesla ever have achieved the frequencies (megahertz to nanohertz ranges) he mentioned with the equipment in the late 1800's to early 1900's. Amazing. More importantly, there are frequency generators on the market in the tens of thousands of dollars and upwards USD, that can actually generate these signals in the extremely high frequency range in  which Tesla mentioned.

2. At least on one of the points I had written down in dealing with Tesla says in paraphrase,  So actually getting or making a frequency generator of this type may be difficult or expensive, and maybe not even completely necessary, considering that my initial query dealt with being able to trigger a coil without a rotating mechanism.
And this last point,
3. Many low cost frequency generators abound on Ebay, and TinselKoala was considerate enough to provide several circuits and his Youtube videos, including the discussion we had concerning PLL and Tesla coils. I believe the 555 timers can get frequencies over 1 MHz with the right capacitors and resistors. My question in this area actually deals with creating a high frequency (megahertz range) coil and what parameters are involved to create that device. Specifically does it have to do with wire size,length, wire wraps, length of coil, and diameter? And if any of this is true, what algorithm can be used to consistently do this?

Thanks for everyone's involvement,
earthbound

Yes High frequency matters in harvesting Radiant Energy. But his well WOUND YOUR HARVESTER ACTUALLY DETERMINES THE AMOUNT OF ELLECTRONS YOU WILL BE A ABLE TONHARVEST AT ANYBLEVEL OF FREQUENCY.

**1Mhz switch will do you no good if your coil CAPACITANCE IS LOW**

To Maximize the harvesting of Air-Electicity at any frequency level, YOU MUST UTILISE SERIALLYNCONNECTED MULTIFILLAR WIRE to make your coil. Use Thin gauge like AWG#40 or if that is too thin to handle, use AWG#31 to make your litz wire.

When winding, separate each layer with Plastic tape over and over to make the coil an High Capacitance coil.

The best way to wind your coil is in SPIRAL FORM as this allows for EXTREMELY HIGH CAPACITANCES BECAUSE YOUR WINDING BE IT CLOCKWISE OR COUNTERCLOCKWISE WILL BE IN ONE DIRECTION THROUGTH. NO zig zag as it is in Helical winding which necessitate winding from left to rigth. Rigth to left.

The high capacitance of your coil will generate Concentrated Magnetic Field and as this field is being rapidly switched over your Lensless Partnered Output Coils, You will be able to harvest high amount of Electrons.


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2016, 01:26:08 PM »
earthbound,

If you are really interested in electronics then you need to get a copy of the ARRL Radio Handbook.  It is the book amateur radio operators study when they want to move up to a higher level of license.  They also study it when they just want to learn how electronic things work.  It has all kinds of formulas and examples of electronic circuits.  You can find them on Ebay for about $25 in good condition.  I have seen some that look slightly worn for as low as $10.  You don't need to get the latest version.  Even editions from the 1960s will have all the formulas and tables you will need.  The later versions will of course have more information on solid state devices instead of vacuum tube technology.  An edition from the late 1990s will have most common solid state devices in it like the 555 timer and mosfets.

Carroll


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2016, 10:39:23 PM »
Carroll,

TY-just bought the 2016 softcover from Ebay.
Will begin the trip when it arrives. I appreciate the direction. You may have mentioned this before too. Some things are worth repeating though.

Dave

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2016, 02:17:50 AM »
so darediamond,

Mentioning the spiral multifilar series wound coil, are you talking a about the Tesla type pancake coil design?
It would seem that getting enough wire in a coil of that type would be difficult as the diameter of the coil would be huge and impractical, but if kept to around 2-3' in diameter,
then maybe that could be done, especially as a multifilar type. Making the multifilar winds would be a bitch though, as I'm seeing literally 100's to maybe over a thousand feet
per each filar portion and using a 30 gg magnet wire. I have 3 miles of this wire, but the measuring would be very inconvenient and then making the multifilar portion, too, after that, if made in a twisted fashion like the Bedini wound coil.
I remember making my 8 filar Bedini coil at only 125' long each strand. Still no fun. The pain would be compounded here. Based on the diameter of the 30 gg wire, an 8 filar arrangement would be about 1/16 - 3/32" in diameter.
And this coil being flat would be even more difficult to wind I imagine. Using the formula for circumference yields C=2πr

Anyway, any suggestions for making this? Always good to have others' insights, especially those who have actually wound a coil of this type. The other thing is, how does one keep the
multifilar circular strands laying flat and immobile as they are being wound? Also, should one start at the center and wind outwards, or vice-versa?
I was thinking that a motorized lazy-susan type wheel could be useful in this arrangement.

Thanks,
earthbound


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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2016, 06:06:07 PM »
Good Morning All,

I have been studying 555 timer circuits, the 4046 PLL chips and circuits, op-amp chips and circuits, and watching lots of Youtube vids, etc., trying to get a handle on the use of this data for my Project related to high frequency pulsing of an air coil, or one that has a core that can withstand high frequency pulses such as carbonyl iron and ferrite ceramics. I also breadboarded and tested some of these circuits.

Anyway, this website:
http://www.electronicecircuits.com/electronic-circuits/555-variable-frequency-square-wave-generator
shows a simple 555 timer circuit with the opportunity to have some variability of frequency in a square wave output (and I don't know if a square wave would be appropriate in the circuit mentioned below for cap discharging, maybe saw-tooth is better). The variability is based on either changing the C1 capacitor to suit one's goals and/or a combination with a variable resistor in series. The Timing pulse outputs through Pin 3 with almost equal voltage as the input voltage on Pin 8 per the data specs. From what I have read concerning Tesla theory extremely fast discharge times are very important (at least in his spark gap machines).

Another area of interest along these lines relates to the capacitor discharge in a Bedini-type circuit going to the Charging battery. I have looked at some sophisticated Comparator circuits, including the MH op-amp circuit, which automatically do the discharge at preset times, but I also looked at the 555 timer circuit above for something to get started with since it outputs a known voltage at intervals as well. By using the output from Pin 3 and sending it to a solid state relay, the cap can be directly discharged into the Charge battery at intervals thus fulfilling one goal, that being the automaticity of discharging the cap at periodic intervals. If you all, who are more experienced in practicality and theory, read this and disagree, please enlighten the ignorant. There is no sense reinventing the wheel. I did read through the part in the Bedini Advanced book and didn't actually see a true clear circuit for this.

This video is from Chris Barber on Youtube and shows a comparator circuit as well using an SSR for the discharge path and an LM741 chip as the op amp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87E9lSNDEI

Because I'm not very experienced in reading the flow very well and the exact logic extended in the video, I need help. On the left hand side of his circuit, after the the bridge rectifier portion there is a high value cap, 15K uF at 75 volts, which I suspect is the collecting cap off the mains coils. I can't tell here how the comparator is working. Is is actually measuring the charge coming off that cap and comparing it to some other value to make its determination of when to switch? Or is something else going on? The reason I ask that specifically is because in the comment section of the video posting, another member mentioned that by changing the cap value of the circuit coming into Pin 2 to a larger value from 2.2uF, Mr. Barber would be able to discharge his cap down more, as that was a problem he said he was having. Not being able to maximize the energy removal from his cap.

Either way, would the simpler 555 timer be just as good for early experimentation, or should I just go ahead and build the LM741 comparator circuit? I have almost all the parts for that.

Also too, why dump the cap from the Neg side and not the positive side as seen in Mr. Barber's circuit? Any particular value in that?

Thank you everyone for all your insights and directions.
earthbound

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