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Author Topic: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory  (Read 8354 times)

Offline earthbound0729

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Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« on: May 29, 2016, 04:49:22 PM »
Reviewing the Bedini Circuit

I have an observation I would like to hear from others on.
I have been rereading the Bedini Beginners Handbook
It appears that the rotating magnets are not really needed in order to create the large voltage spikes, ie the "Radiant Energy" that occur from the collapsing magnetic field of the electromagnet which is powered by the "Run" battery, especially higher voltage ones. The rotating magnets are only for the Trigger coil.

Is this actually true?

The reason this is so important is because if the higher amount of radiant energy which Tesla talked about is to be achieved, then the frequency of the cycle has to be in the megahertz to nanohertz range (I think l I read this from The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity, but I'm not sure) with a narrow "On Time," which doesn't seem possible with a simple rotating wheel with magnets attached, or using a Hall Effect sensor, etc. I wouldn't expect these rates to be accomplished without actually utilizing a solid state circuit controlled by a microprocessor, or other dedicated timing chip to generate the timing to the NPN transistor or other such device triggering the magnetic field activation and collapse.

And along these same lines, then it seems reasonable that an air core coil would be more useful because of its working in the higher frequency ranges.

I would appreciate any input from those more knowledgeable, both theoretically and experientially.

 
thank you,
earthbound

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 03:08:45 AM »
nanohertz? Hey, why not. Tho it was kilo, mega, giga, tera. But Tesla had no gigahertz. not even megahertz. Back then they had mechanical oscillators that barely reached 20 kHz, just enough to do some archaic radio signals.

As for Bedini, what seems to pull energy from the hidden potential is the spike of the back Emf, that is the collapsing field of the coil. People argue there is no gain in the spike, but actually it is the amount of change in the magnetic field that defines the power output, therefor a short spike has more power potential that a long low dc pulse. For this reason people use interruptors to repeatedly collapse the field in quick series. Seeing this dense "fence" of spikes on the scope shows clearly a huge potential of excess energy.

The length of the Back-Emf depends on the coil. You may also try to let it ring and synch the pulse rate to resonate to the ringing, but it's also effective to simply grab the first spike and don't fiddle with resonance.

The supply pulses need to be perfectly square wave, cut off abruptly. Reed switches can do that, although they get fried soon. Also Sparkgaps and relays. Using Transistors and Fets is possible, but make sure the square wave is perfect and also prevent them from being damaged by the bemf spikes.


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2016, 04:03:22 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sjqoshznU

Hello TinselKoala and thanks for this. I know I've seen this link before and watched the video. It means more to me now as some things are sinking in and I not only have a little more experience, but have hundreds of pages of theory and watched tons of vids, plus wound some coils, both my air core Star-Challis counterwound, a bifilar with iron core, and my first 8 filar iron core.

I am definitely interested in pursuing the air core, high frequency route like Tesla seemed to be doing. I think with todays electronics this will be an aid.

earthbound


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 08:17:24 PM »
Then you should be looking at Solid State Tesla Coil designs, and forget about Bedini-style pulse motors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDh8sTc8Kw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cv4XF4FV6w

The very simplest SSTC designs are "Slayer Exciter" or "Kacher" circuits. But you can get a lot more power  and performance if you use Tesla's design principles and modern PLL circuits with full H-bridge driver for the primary.

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
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Offline earthbound0729

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2016, 05:03:05 AM »
TinselKoala

I have seen several of your vids dealing with the PLL SSTC, plus oscillators.

I have also seen that PLL and VCOs are available to include in the circuit types I need to consider in my quest. I saw a VCO by Texas Instruments, the SN74LS624N which can handle 1.1- 25 MHz.

I also see that MileHigh has 2 comparator circuits I found. One appears to be simpler, while the other is marked as ver. 3.0 from Oct 11, 2013.
There are still sensing coils seen on these circuits, while what I envision wouldn't need the trigger coil, it would only need to energize the NPN transistor or other switch type which can handle the frequency of the oscillator circuit.

Your PLL circuit and the oscillation circuit appear to based on an entirely different design than Mh's comparator. Am I seeing that correctly ,sir? And is this because you are using this with Tesla coils and need the higher frequency generation?
You also mentioned having the resonant circuit built in with your PLL in one of your designs and that when tuned would create the needed resonance. From what
I've read in dealing with frequency this formula must be used:
http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm
to calculate those important values. And I will be assuming certain knowns here.

Thank you for your time in helping to untangle these threads TinselKoala.
earthbound


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2016, 01:20:52 PM »
Yeah right,  tinsel and mh are the perfect sources for information about free energy, as they believe in it soo much.

Or do you just wanna recondition your sulpated lead batteries?

Even if you think I'm wrong or stupid, I consider it rude to ignore my answer to your question so explicitly.

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Offline earthbound0729

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2016, 02:57:38 PM »
Yeah right,  tinsel and mh are the perfect sources for information about free energy, as they believe in it soo much.

Or do you just wanna recondition your sulpated lead batteries?

Even if you think I'm wrong or stupid, I consider it rude to ignore my answer to your question so explicitly.

 dieter,

Let me start off by apologizing to you. It was a selfish oversight on my part and not intended to cause pain. I do know how it feels to either be misunderstood or ignored on forums, but I assure you, my oversight was not intended to slight you in any way. I don't know you, nor would I publicly defame you. I seek the best out of our forum and wish for all of us to treat each other respectfully here, so I appreciate you calling me out on this. Please forgive me and I wish to be on better terms with you.

Also, your insights were not ignored by me, but appreciated.

TY,
earthbound

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2016, 07:43:09 PM »
no problem. I seem to be a bit touchy today and may have overreacted / missinterpreted it.

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2016, 01:46:00 AM »
I have been reading some info regarding the SSTC in general, and seeing many videos, especially in regards to my wanting to experiment with high frequency pulsing in the air coil to achieve improved Radiant Energy collection without a rotor.

Many questions come to mind.

1. Why use smaller gauge wire in my Tesla air coil? It does not seem to be addressed in the computational algorithms for calculating frequency. Of course, maybe that is the point.
2. This seems like it would increase resistance significantly. Is that needed or desireable?
3. Also it seems like smaller diameter coils see the highest frequencies potentially. I would also assume using the smaller gauge wire as well.
4. Most of what I see as evidence of a well made SSTC is the streamers, sparks or corona mentioned several times without causing undue heating in the circuit, esp. the mosfets. That is not what I am needing this for, although it does look cool. I need beyond cool.
5. Am I going to be pulling the Radiant energy from the coil in the same way as the Bedini method, by connecting to the coil ends? This is especially important since the SSTC has both a primary and a secondary winding. Which to use?

Many more question of course, but later. Haven't even really touched on the circuit design and power needs.

Thanks everyone for this interesting interlude in life. Hope it leads to useful data for all.
earthbound

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2016, 11:03:41 AM »
 author=earthbound0729 link=topic=16645.msg485620#msg485620 date=1464911160]



Thanks everyone for this interesting interlude in life. Hope it leads to useful data for all.
earthbound


Quote
I have been reading some info regarding the SSTC in general, and seeing many videos, especially in regards to my wanting to experiment with high frequency pulsing in the air coil to achieve improved Radiant Energy collection without a rotor.

To what !radiant! energy are you referring to?


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2016, 11:08:12 PM »
Hello Brad,

My initial starting point with the use of the word "Radiant Energy" is with the collection of energy as described by Bedini which is collected and channeled to either capacitors or through a bridge rectifier to the "charge" battery.

As I read more about Tesla and what he was working with in the early 1900's he used the term aetheric (Radiant) energy to describe something which seems to be similar to a point, but not actually needing the same circuitry to accomplish its end goals, although needing that circuitry to initiate the process of the aetheric generation from a high dc voltage generation point (other than atmospheric energy).

I think any illumination (definition)on the terms used is most beneficial Brad, and must be the start point, so my context can be accurate and everyone is along the same lines. I welcome any input you have. Also too, better to get the definitions down early so the correct path is chosen.

TY for the query.
earthbound


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2016, 12:47:58 AM »
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg485521/#msg4n

Use DSO to examine the negative energy waveform.  It is what I refer to as the lead-out energy…

That is an important tool in helping to develop the Fung Wheel or the lead-out energy flying saucer.

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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2016, 03:45:55 PM »
hello ltseung888,

I looked at several of these videos via the link provided which in turn linked to others. As noted by one of the  viewers, manual control of the pulse is poor at best and humans don't focus that well on the timing, but the automatically sensed trigger of at least a bifilar coil arrangement as Bedini included in his designs is good, or using a hall effect sensor arrangement. I didn't really understand what the point was in the videos you supplied, which seemed to be going over old ground. Maybe I missed something.

earthbound


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Re: Reviewing Pulse Motor Circuit Ideas and Theory
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2016, 07:17:38 PM »
Hello Brad,

My initial starting point with the use of the word "Radiant Energy" is with the collection of energy as described by Bedini which is collected and channeled to either capacitors or through a bridge rectifier to the "charge" battery.

As I read more about Tesla and what he was working with in the early 1900's he used the term aetheric (Radiant) energy to describe something which seems to be similar to a point, but not actually needing the same circuitry to accomplish its end goals, although needing that circuitry to initiate the process of the aetheric generation from a high dc voltage generation point (other than atmospheric energy).

I think any illumination (definition)on the terms used is most beneficial Brad, and must be the start point, so my context can be accurate and everyone is along the same lines. I welcome any input you have. Also too, better to get the definitions down early so the correct path is chosen.

TY for the query.
earthbound

Ok,well i guess it comes down to whether you want to work with the truth,or follow the Bedini brotherhood?.

The brotherhood would have you believe that the bedini circuits pull in radiant energy,but the truth is,the bedini circuits actually emit radiant energy-they do not pull it in.
This radiant energy is in the form of electromagnetic energy,that is emitted from the inductor/coil of the bedini circuit's. Some of this radiant energy is also emitted as heat,by way of resistive heating. Anything that has resistance,and where a current flows through that resistance,heat is emitted-or radiated away from the circuit,and dissipates into the surrounding air.

The biggest problem here,and why some believe that the bedini circuits produce some sort of !overunity! effect,is due to the lack of understanding between surface charge,and deep charge of lead acid batteries.

The second !trick! that you see on bedini's forum's,that is in some way suppose to prove more P/out than P/in,is what they call the !1 ohm !test. But what they do not understand,is the current loop that exist within the circuit,and it is in this current loop where they place there 1 ohm resistor to try and show more power out than in.

Todays !off the shelf! boost converters are far more efficient than the bedini circuit's,and a lot of battery chargers these day's come out with a desulphator function.

But it's like i said--you can choose the bedini way,or you can choose the truth-->it's up to you.


Brad

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