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Title: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 06:14:07 PM
Please participate in the poll.  Users are allowed to change their vote at any time!

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American people believe is false" - William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981).

Flat earthers (FE) and ballers, present your evidence and prepare your rebuttals.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe
Post by: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 06:24:23 PM
The U.N. Flag, The International Maritime Organization, The World Meteorological Organization, and the International Civil Aviation Organization ALL use the Flat Earth Map for their Logo All surrounded by Apollo's Laurel Leaves.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe
Post by: DR.WHO on April 28, 2016, 06:32:37 PM
I can zoom in on 200 miles standing on the flat looking out to sea ! This is a very important reality that is not so-posed to be a reality ! Just like the Dutch canal builders who we amazed that they could see a straight line over a 50 mile canal that they had built .

What is obvious is the effects of dark matter in optical lens pictures and this must be considered as a fact in all that we take a picture of ! This has mind bending problems in all cosmology and physics.

It all may seem to be round but it still could be flat ! Or both ? If all things have an equal and an opposing force than this may also be true to time and space where flat is round and round is flat !

This warping of our space time in order to create a false state of reality would explain how all that is may not in fact exist as solid state mater ! Your reality is only in your head and in the now as only now truly exists . If you are not in motion than the world is flat ! This is the simplistic way of putting
it.

What this could mean is that we all share the same space time and a new way to transport information at any distance in just a second is also part of this fabric ! But our mind set is created to only think and consider the reality we are thought. Does a monkey ask such questions ? NO ! So why are we now asking them ?
 
   
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe
Post by: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 06:40:27 PM
US Navy Missile Instructor confirms FLAT EARTH (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH1I6Z4bHMAhWltIMKHVKYDAMQtwIIHTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxJOB0vcZ4NI&usg=AFQjCNHWea2VxnnapG8xPyKGI1VjEwppBw&sig2=t2hjOTzRyYHkiW1vuyMzlA)!

US Navy Missile Instructor Proof of Tour (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH1I6Z4bHMAhWltIMKHVKYDAMQtwIIIzAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4_PACz4HS28&usg=AFQjCNEuQR6DqPrbxQcm4AP3Rx9Vbcknbw&sig2=rR72mGTN2Ez0L5y8MQc0rg)!

US Navy Missile Instructor Proof of Service (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH1I6Z4bHMAhWltIMKHVKYDAMQtwIIKTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZ5jWs-xZiaE&usg=AFQjCNFbqtA4Q9YPWPKdruI8j3-Xt7ZEdA&sig2=28hJMv8mmGZHgn5s5whPxw)!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 07:13:06 PM
Japanese scientists fire a 2 quadrillion-watt laser, the most powerful ever (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/japanese-scientists-fire-2-quadrillion-watt-laser-most-184952337.html)!

* Chicago's Soldier Field Glows Green (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jjH0MAS-Ac) at the same moment Japan fires this green laser (the Laser Bounces off the sky-dome and reflects light down onto Chicago's Soldier Field).

Did Japan just Prove to the World that our World is a Domed Flat Earth without realizing it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14-aK0mkZg)?

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Here2njoy on April 28, 2016, 07:16:02 PM
Here is an interesting website that has some interesting perspectives regarding the flat earth:

flatearth.goesviral.net

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: FatBird on April 28, 2016, 07:23:10 PM
A.  I believe the Coriolis Effect absolutely proves a spherical planet. 
     For those that don't know, the Coriolis Effect causes water to rotate CCW (going down a drain)
     in the northern hemisphere & Clockwise in the southern hemisphere.

B.  It would be IMPOSSIBLE for a flat earth to have a Coriolis Effect.

C.  PLUS for those "Flat Earthers" out there.  Do you believe the moon, sun, stars, & other planets are FLAT TOO?  LOL
                                                                                                                                                                                      .
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
I believe the Coriolis Effect absolutely proves a spherical planet. 
For those that don't know, the Coriolis Effect causes water to rotate CCW in
the northern hemisphere & Clockwise in the southern hemisphere.

It would be IMPOSSIBLE for a flat earth to have a Coriolis Effect.

PLUS for those "Flat Earthers" out there.  Do you believe the moon, sun, stars, & other planets are FLAT TOO?  LOL
                                                                                                                                                                                      .

Maybe you should actually try flushing a few toilets. The very fact toilets totally ignore Coriolis can only be another argument in favour of a flat earth.

Modern Mythology: Flushing Toilets & The Coriolis Effect (http://teenskepchick.org/2012/01/09/flushing-toilets-the-coriolis-effect/)

Does the rotation of the Earth affect toilets and baseball games? (http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/rotation-earth-toilet-baseball2.htm)

A few more science myths (http://www.mythbusters.com/a-few-more-science-myths.html)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: FatBird on April 28, 2016, 07:57:52 PM
BUT you haven't answered Part C.   Do you believe the moon, sun, stars, & other planets are FLAT TOO?  LOL

Plus, the Coriolis Effect DOES affect large moving things like large ships, Rounds fired from a tank,
Battle ship gunners, air, water, etc.  Do a Google Search & See for yourself.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  .
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on April 28, 2016, 08:01:27 PM
Of course, the earth is flat for flat brained people.

If you are a mental flat-liner you see immediately that the earth is flat, just look around you.

It is good to do flat thinking, you will discover enormous depth in shallow arguments.

Never believe what you learn at schools! Schools transform you into a thinking person but thank god schools often do not succeed. Consider yourself lucky if the school did not succeed, you will be amazed by the most outrageous claims.

Flat-brained people are constantly sidelined by non-flat-brained people, it is a world wide conspiracy.

Flat-brainers unit and fight for a flat earth! Shallow is the way to go!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: FatBird on April 28, 2016, 08:08:09 PM
Here's an exert from the book mentioned at the end.

The necessity of accounting for the Coriolis force by battleship gunners is discussed in Marion's mechanics book. The relevant paragraph is quoted here:
"During the naval engagement near the Falkland Islands which occurred early in World War I, the British gunners were surprised to see their accurately aimed salvos falling 100 yards to the left of the German ships. The designers of the sighting mechanisms were well aware of the Coriolis deflection and had carefully taken this into account, but they apparently were under the impression that all sea battles took place near 50 degrees N latitude and never near 50 degrees S latitude. The British shots, therefore, fell at a distance from the targets equal to twice the Coriolis deflection." (Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems, Second Edition — by Jerry B. Marion, Academic Press, Inc., 1970, p.346 fn
                                                                                                                                                                               .
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 28, 2016, 08:55:34 PM
Of course, the earth is flat for flat brained people.

If you are a mental flat-liner you see immediately that the earth is flat, just look around you.

It is good to do flat thinking, you will discover enormous depth in shallow arguments.

Never believe what you learn at schools! Schools transform you into a thinking person but thank god schools often do not succeed. Consider yourself lucky if the school did not succeed, you will be amazed by the most outrageous claims.

Flat-brained people are constantly sidelined by non-flat-brained people, it is a world wide conspiracy.

Flat-brainers unit and fight for a flat earth! Shallow is the way to go!

Greetings, Conrad

Your post is nothing but Spam!  I'm currently at work and will get back to this topic when I get back home.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on April 28, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Your post is nothing but Spam!  I'm currently at work and will get back to this topic when I get back home.

Gravock

You are right. I answer spam with spam!

The flat earth spam goes on and on since some time. Whatever one says, the flat earthers will came up with more nonsense just to keep the spam flowing. If a stupid argument is complicated enough, it will be difficult and time consuming to debunk it. That is the game.

The flat earth spam sells books and generates traffic for web sites and YouTube videos featuring this spam (generating advertisement revenues).

You are helping this spam-machine (and I looks like you are doing it naively and not on purpose).

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2016, 01:35:47 AM
The "flat Earth they never landed on the moon" spam machine.  It's a tool used by our reptilian overlords to find susceptible people.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: DR.WHO on April 29, 2016, 01:58:38 AM
To who it may concern ! Truth is many realities and sometimes these realities change focus and what we see and measure is not what we observe it to be and right now there are space missions going on that aim to find out if reality is some kind of matrix computer simulation . This is no joke and to be honest flat earth research leads to some very important questions.

In quantum reality things can be observed in two places at the same time so what is over the horizon could also mean that the earth is round by the observer is closer to the object of observation than he thinks .... You wont hear this in flat earth research as they are happy to play party tricks only to get you thinking in the wrong way ! Some are religious nuts referring to a flat earth in there religious brain washing book but if your a logic seeker like me than the only 2 ways you can see over the horizon is either you are closer at the point of observation buy some quantum trick of space time or dark energy is bending light and is due to the lens of the instrument you are using.

There is no other way ! The other part is the question of a dome above us and this can only be true if we are all a dimensional reality to our self and for some a dome above them is there reality that some how can be shared with us who have a reality of open space .

It would not surprise me if all these 3 events of observation are as I have just mentioned But this does no confirm the earth is flat it conforms that it is as it is round .... This gives us an opportunity to bend or warp space time in a new way! And for them that are stuck under a dome trying to change there perception would mean we would have to completely change there dimension.   

Look again ! But do it with say 20 different people all at the same time and than one after the other ! if we discover that they see it a different way than how we value reality will have to change... !     
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 29, 2016, 07:00:52 AM
We have launched satellites in polar orbits for many years now and, guess what?...they show the round earth as does the other east/west sat. orbits do.  How dumb do you have to be to think the earth is not round?

Ummm...ever see videos or photos of a drop of water in near zero g in a spacecraft?  Yes, it forms a round glob, just like the earth and other planets did all those years ago when the universe was formed.  The water does not form coin shaped disks.

God help us if there are folks that actually "think" like this.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2016, 08:10:32 AM
There are a ton of flat-Earth videos on YouTube, many of them professionally done.  There is a full-blown flat-Earth subculture on YouTube.  You read some of their comments and it's kind of mind-blowing.

Nature has programmed diversity into all species with the DNA crap shoot and obviously there is a diversity of personality types and thought patterns.  Who would have thought that some of them would gravitate to the pizza pie theory of the Earth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSv-tq5GAY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSv-tq5GAY)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 12:35:44 PM
Here's an exert from the book mentioned at the end.

The necessity of accounting for the Coriolis force by battleship gunners is discussed in Marion's mechanics book. The relevant paragraph is quoted here:
"During the naval engagement near the Falkland Islands which occurred early in World War I, the British gunners were surprised to see their accurately aimed salvos falling 100 yards to the left of the German ships. The designers of the sighting mechanisms were well aware of the Coriolis deflection and had carefully taken this into account, but they apparently were under the impression that all sea battles took place near 50 degrees N latitude and never near 50 degrees S latitude. The British shots, therefore, fell at a distance from the targets equal to twice the Coriolis deflection." (Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems, Second Edition — by Jerry B. Marion, Academic Press, Inc., 1970, p.346 fn
                                                                                                                                                                               .

That is 100% total B.S.!  There's no relative motion between two stationary people at different latitudes while each has a different rotational speed.  A person with a higher rotational speed at one latitude doesn't move away or towards a person with a lower rotational speed at a different latitude (their positions will remain fixed relative to one another while the earth is supposedly rotating), thus there is no reason to offset the sighting mechanisms to compensate for a rotational speed difference in a rotating earth.  If the air moves with the earth, then there's no net force to turn hurricanes.  if it doesn't, then you're going to be knocked over by 1000 mph winds.  Coriolis is bunk.  Its attributed to all kinds of magic that either doesn't happen or is explained by something else.  Being able to calculate an event does not equate to knowing what causes that event to happen. Coriolis effect is not accounted for while targeting things over long distances, because "the Coriolis effect" as you've been taught it, doesn't exist.

Here's an excellent theory on the "so-called" Coriolis effect:  Coriolis effect proves flat earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4).

The earth rotates west to east in both hemispheres.  If you're in the Northern hemisphere while I'm in the Southern hemisphere and you're moving faster than I am in an eastward direction, then I would need to aim more to my right in order to compensate for you moving away from me in an eastward direction and you would need to aim more to your right to compensate for you moving away from me in an eastward direction.  If we changed hemispheres and I move faster than you in an eastward direction, then we would both be aiming more towards our right just as we did prior to changing hemispheres, thus having to offset the sighting mechanism in the opposite direction because we moved to a different hemisphere is nonsense, LOL!!!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2016, 01:06:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oe1kDN10jM
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
We have launched satellites in polar orbits for many years now and, guess what?...they show the round earth as does the other east/west sat. orbits do.  How dumb do you have to be to think the earth is not round?

October 14, 2015 NASA's "most epic" time lapse footage of earth from space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gP5Gy7Q24) CLEARLY shows this is Computer Graphics (CGI).  Observe how the clouds never move, how the city lights on earth never twinkle, how fake it looks in general,...look at the comments, everyone is noticing how fake it is...(see first image below)

Over 15,000 satellites, never saw one from the International Space Station (ISS) view or any other fake stuff they release
- Over 30,000,000 debris around the earth, same as above
- Over 84,000 meteorites a year, same as above

Here we can see there are no real photo's of ANY satellites despite there being a cluttered crazy amount up there (see second image attachment (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=925&q=satellite+images+in+space&oq=satellite+images+in+space&gs_l=img.3..0.630.2646.0.2760.25.13.0.9.9.0.153.1034.9j3.12.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..4.21.1059.5Dvp5Clq4_c#imgrc=1o_jOouCGMOn9M%3A) below of google's image search of satellite images)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 01:19:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oe1kDN10jM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oe1kDN10jM)

Maybe you should read the only comment.  I'll post it here:

"I agree this happens when spin is applied but the effect of having a non perfect pivot point can make the swing go off by a small angle. It suggests Earth might be spinning but isn't a complete proof, for the reasons about the pivot point not being perfect.

The problem is, no pendulum ever goes past 12 degrees or whatever it was you said, it is measurable up to 11.5 degrees? If that is the only angle and no greater I would say that is enough to be caused by imperfections in the pivot point.

The only way to prove that is by machining a million pendulums and choosing the most well machined one and seeing what angle it deviates, I bet it would just deviate 1 degree or 2 degrees.

Of course all down the longitude line of the Earth, pendulums will have varying degrees of altered angles, making it impossible to verify without a great deal of organization and money to machine all those perfect pendulums!

Which is why I said it needs to be zero friction. It could be made with strong magnets but then you have the force of the magnet pulling it at times and we're back to the original problem again of needing "that perfect magnet" with a 100% symmetrical polarity.

There's a reason why these debates go on in 2015 :p

Like I say to anyone though at least you did an experiment IRL which is more than thousands of other people here do. I won't make a pendulum for all the reasons I said above, it needs to be perfect, someone at another point on the "globe" needs to be verify it and so on. You can probably point to examples of that, but each one has to be perfect and even just introducing more people could distort the figures depending on how accurate each person's setup is.

Unrelated but here's what I want to know - the sun is often claimed to be 3,000 miles vertically up above in the flat Earth, but this makes a sunset impossible, meaning the flat Earthers aren't working it out, but the thing is it could be worked out. At 3,000 miles, at sunset, at the equator (6:20 PM "every day every day" :p) would be at an angle of 28 degrees from the observer (in a "noon" position) if the sun were 3,000 miles up.

It can be worked out I just don't know how. The sun's distance from you at this time above the flat Earth at 6:00 PM is 5603 miles away (along the ground) . So then how can the angle be worked out of a sun that is setting on the equator? In the heliocentric model it is just a straight 0 degrees, but on a flat Earth it has to be a certain angle at 6PM on the equator, what I am getting at is what angle is it when the top of the sun is just vanishing?

2,000 miles up is an angle of 19.6 degrees.
1,000 miles up is an angle of 10.1 degrees.

Right, but how the F can anyone figure out what height the sun would be on the flat Earth?! Is there really any way to work this out, how can you tell a calculator when the light has gone? That would be quite the abstract concept, to a calculator! Its something "observed" at 6PM erm...

I honestly think in the flat Earth model the sun must be like 300 miles up or 500 miles.

After that is worked out I think it would be possible to then estimate the size of the sun.

The figure of 3,000 miles was, I think, created as a joke, but there's an answer I just don't know how to do it."

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 01:27:46 PM
Ummm...ever see videos or photos of a drop of water in near zero g in a spacecraft?  Yes, it forms a round glob, just like the earth and other planets did all those years ago when the universe was formed.  The water does not form coin shaped disks.

Being able to observe or calculate an event does not equate to knowing what causes that event to happen.  The earth isn't free falling like the zero g spacecraft, so why should the earth form into a sphere as a drop of water may do while in free fall.  If a spherical earth was in free fall, then there would be no "effects" of "so-called" gravity.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 02:16:05 PM
Flat Earth compass and the magnetic North star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dboz0864j70) (video).

Why fly vertically in order to reach space in a spherical earth? If the earth was spherical, then we could reach space by flying horizontally.  Airplanes would need to constantly dip their nose in order to maintain a specific altitude in a spherical model.  On the flat earth model, there is no need to dip the nose of the airplane in order to maintain a specific altitude.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2016, 03:32:46 PM
Well isn't that interesting because a rocket goes straight up and within a few minutes is mostly flying horizontal to get into space.  That supports the spherical Earth.

It's the old cliche about playing golf on the moon.  If you could swing hard enough the golf ball would never come back down, instead it would go into orbit around the spherical moon.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 29, 2016, 04:55:42 PM
October 14, 2015 NASA's "most epic" time lapse footage of earth from space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gP5Gy7Q24) CLEARLY shows this is Computer Graphics (CGI).  Observe how the clouds never move, how the city lights on earth never twinkle, how fake it looks in general,...look at the comments, everyone is noticing how fake it is...(see first image below)

Over 15,000 satellites, never saw one from the International Space Station (ISS) view or any other fake stuff they release
- Over 30,000,000 debris around the earth, same as above
- Over 84,000 meteorites a year, same as above

Here we can see there are no real photo's of ANY satellites despite there being a cluttered crazy amount up there (see second image attachment (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=925&q=satellite+images+in+space&oq=satellite+images+in+space&gs_l=img.3..0.630.2646.0.2760.25.13.0.9.9.0.153.1034.9j3.12.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..4.21.1059.5Dvp5Clq4_c#imgrc=1o_jOouCGMOn9M%3A) below of google's image search of satellite images)

Gravock

Ummm...the space station orbits at about 100 miles up...most sats. are like thousands of miles up, geo sync sats are 22,500 miles up so, since they are ABOVE the ISS, why would you think they could be seen between the ISS and the earth?  Probably the ISS is the only Sat. at that altitude.

Please research a little bit before making such outlandish postings.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Paul-R on April 29, 2016, 05:14:41 PM
Flat Earth compass and the magnetic North star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dboz0864j70) (video).

Why fly vertically in order to reach space in a spherical earth? If the earth was spherical, then we could reach space by flying horizontally.
... thereby ploughing through a thousand miles or so of thick atmosphere at, eventually, 18,000mph. You haven't done your homework, GB. Satellites are only ever going to be visible if they are reflecting the sun, and they are often too small anyway.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 05:38:38 PM
Ummm...the space station orbits at about 100 miles up...most sats. are like thousands of miles up, geo sync sats are 22,500 miles up so, since they are ABOVE the ISS, why would you think they could be seen between the ISS and the earth?  Probably the ISS is the only Sat. at that altitude.

Please research a little bit before making such outlandish postings.

Bill


The ISS orbits at 100 miles up with a gravitational pull of the earth that is 95%  the strength that  it is at the surface of the earth and you expect it to not fall to the earth.  I don't think so!


Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: picowatt on April 29, 2016, 06:01:47 PM

The ISS orbits at 100 miles up with a gravitational pull of the earth that is 95%  the strength that  it is at the surface of the earth and you expect it to not fall to the earth.  I don't think so!


Gravock

The ISS does fall... constantly... 

Fortunately, the ISS is going fast enough that the curvature of the Earth causes the Earth's horizon to fall away from the ISS at the same rate that the ISS is falling, hence the ISS never loses altitude relative to Earth (with the occasional speed correction required).  The orbiting ISS is considered to be in "free fall", which accounts for the apparent weightlessness within the ISS, not the absence of Earth's gravity. 

PW
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 29, 2016, 07:49:47 PM
The ISS does fall... constantly... 

Fortunately, the ISS is going fast enough that the curvature of the Earth causes the Earth's horizon to fall away from the ISS at the same rate that the ISS is falling, hence the ISS never loses altitude relative to Earth (with the occasional speed correction required).  The orbiting ISS is considered to be in "free fall", which accounts for the apparent weightlessness within the ISS, not the absence of Earth's gravity. 

PW

You believe in a lie.  The footage and NASA'S claims are clearly faked!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on April 29, 2016, 08:19:11 PM
You believe in a lie.  The footage and NASA'S claims are clearly faked!

Gravock

Let's believe for a moment that NASA and whoever else lies about a flat earth. Let's assume for a moment that earth is flat:

What can you do better than NASA and all other scientists who contribute to building space craft because you know that earth is flat? Can you do better physisc? Can you build better rockets?  Can you come up with a better cosmology?

What are the consequences for your daily life because earth is flat?


To believe in a flat earth must have advantages over beleiving in a spherical earth, otherwise it serves no purpose:

What are the advantages? How is life better for a flat earther? What can a flat earther do better? Can a flat earther calculate the orbits of the planets in a novel and preciser way?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on April 29, 2016, 08:45:02 PM
Below is an illustration of an experiment that would determine whether Earth is flat or curved beyond all reasonable doubt, without interference from effects such as  atmospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Effect_of_atmospheric_refraction).

Description of the Experiment
:
Two parallel pipes (one above the other and touching).
One pipe is half-filled with water and serves as a level for the other pipe, which rides on top of it (touching) and is "filled" with vacuum.  Periodic adjustable supports allow for exact leveling of the two pipe combo, on any non-hilly terrain.

The laser beam inside the vacuum pipe is compared to the water level in the water pipe below.


A 400m long pipe is enough. (or ¼ mile)


Formula for the difference in the length of the orange and violet ruler on a curved Earth:
Δh = ( r / cos( arc/r ) ) - r

where:
Δh: the drop-off of the curved water surface compared to a straight laser line.
r: mean radius of the Earth,
arc: the length of the arc (distance measured between two points along the water's/Earth's surface)



LEGEND
:
- All vertical rulers are referenced to the water level in the half-filled pipe.
   - The orange rulers are of equal length.
   - The violet ruler measures the result of the experiment.  On curved Earth it will be longer than the orange rulers.

- The green triangles are the adjustable supports for the pipes.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Farmhand on April 29, 2016, 09:55:01 PM
Do any flat Earth proponents have an explanation of how the tides are produced on the flat Earth either artificially or naturally ?

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Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2016, 10:56:11 PM
Verpies, that's a great experiment to do because it is totally doable by a bunch of Flat-Earthers at their next pizza pie and pancake convention.  The material costs are not that great at all, and it would not be too hard to cordon off a 400 m stretch in a big hotel parking lot.  Talk about spoiling the party.

It reminds me of this little factoid that dates back to the 1930s:

The top of the Golden Gate Bridge is almost two inches wider at the top than the base because of the curvature of the Earth!

http://datagenetics.com/blog/june32012/index.html (http://datagenetics.com/blog/june32012/index.html)

Here we are 80 years later and 20+ years into the Information Age and some people have regressed all the way back to the 16th century.  The ironic thing is for sure there are many new converts to the "cause" because they accessed the "information" on their Buck Rogers magic data terminals.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: webby1 on April 29, 2016, 11:14:55 PM
Here we are 80 years later and 20+ years into the Information Age
MileHigh

This is the issue,, with all the information available no one thinks for themselves anymore,, and if you read it on the internet it must be true.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 29, 2016, 11:40:02 PM
Quote from: FarmHand
Do any flat Earth proponents have an explanation of how the tides are produced on the flat Earth either artificially or naturally ?
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Aye, very good question!  Or the eclipses too.

Falling victim to the Flat Earth PsyOp seems to
be the present fad.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Here2njoy on April 29, 2016, 11:49:09 PM
I like the flat earth current theme happening for one reason and one reason only... It is getting people to "Question Everything" and come to their own truth instead of what has been programmed in to us.  Because all "theory" is not cast in stone, it changes all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVSe8JZ_eag

An open letter to Neal Degrasse Tyson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBVCmC0ACM
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 03:09:56 AM
Aye, very good question!  Or the eclipses too.

Falling victim to the Flat Earth PsyOp seems to
be the present fad.

Can you please tell these deluded flat earth folks what part of a ship it is that you see first when it appears on the horizon heading toward you?  Can they guess why that is?  God help us.

Thank you,

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: DR.WHO on April 30, 2016, 03:29:29 AM
Well its a bit like the idiots that think man never went to the moon as they only watch the NASA home made one hahah But there is a very important question as to why you can see up to 200 miles from the flat ... Now why is that ?  Its something else and nothing to do with a dumb flat earth or is it ? hahahahah Well someone has to prove it ! 
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 04:36:43 PM
Do any flat Earth proponents have an explanation of how the tides are produced on the flat Earth either artificially or naturally ?

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I already provided a possible explanation in reply #17, Coriolis effect proves flat earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4).  Do you guys even look at the references posted?


Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
I like the flat earth current theme happening for one reason and one reason only... It is getting people to "Question Everything" and come to their own truth instead of what has been programmed in to us.  Because all "theory" is not cast in stone, it changes all the time.


Exactly!  People aren't doing any critical thinking for themselves.  They can't think for themselves and don't have a mind of their own.  They just accept in blind faith what they're being told by the authorities.


Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 04:48:57 PM
Can you please tell these deluded flat earth folks what part of a ship it is that you see first when it appears on the horizon heading toward you?  Can they guess why that is?  God help us.

Thank you,

Bill


....when you zoom in with a camera, you can see the entire ship and not just the mast of the ship.  This was posted earlier in the thread.


Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
Let's believe for a moment that NASA and whoever else lies about a flat earth. Let's assume for a moment that earth is flat:

What can you do better than NASA and all other scientists who contribute to building space craft because you know that earth is flat? Can you do better physisc? Can you build better rockets?  Can you come up with a better cosmology?

What are the consequences for your daily life because earth is flat?


To believe in a flat earth must have advantages over beleiving in a spherical earth, otherwise it serves no purpose:

What are the advantages? How is life better for a flat earther? What can a flat earther do better? Can a flat earther calculate the orbits of the planets in a novel and preciser way?

Greetings, Conrad


The earth being flat would discredit the TPTB and they would lose all control over the people.  The people would be totally outraged and realize how they are a slave to this system of things.  A flat earth with a glass-like dome is proof of a creator.  A spherical earth where life happened by random chance in a vast universe is in a way a false religion designed to deceive the entire world and to turn mankind away from their creator.


Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: webby1 on April 30, 2016, 05:02:44 PM
I have not yet been able to zoom into a sunset and see the whole entire sun,, only the parts of it above the horizon.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on April 30, 2016, 05:18:02 PM
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Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 05:21:04 PM

....when you zoom in with a camera, you can see the entire ship and not just the mast of the ship.  This was posted earlier in the thread.


Gravock


Totally not true!  I have done this with a 400X zoom camera and, you still see the top part of the ship, or other object, as it approaches. Same with a sunrise or sunset.  Do you even try these things out for yourself or just believe them because you read it on the internet somewhere?


Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on April 30, 2016, 05:23:34 PM
Earth's atmosphere is a great convex lens having many density gradients.
It is wrong to assume that light rays travel straight through it without refraction - especially across great distances.

Because of this, the photos of e.g: distant islands, that should be obscured by the horizon cannot be taken at their face value.  Basically you cannot trust your eyes with any distant observations.
Did you read the article on atmospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Effect_of_atmospheric_refraction)?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 05:39:49 PM

Totally not true!  I have done this with a 400X zoom camera and, you still see the top part of the ship, or other object, as it approaches. Same with a sunrise or sunset.  Do you even try these things out for yourself or just believe them because you read it on the internet somewhere?


Bill

380 feet of missing curvature (image below).  Water finds it's own level, so in a spherical earth model, the water would need to bend to the curvature of the earth in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches.  In order for you to be correct, you will need to prove that water doesn't find it's own level!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 06:41:31 PM
380 feet of missing curvature (image below).  Water finds it's own level, so in a spherical earth model, the water would need to bend to the curvature of the earth in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches.  In order for you to be correct, you will need to prove that water doesn't find it's own level!

Gravock

But, as most of us already know, water does find its own level...AS relative to the center of the mass of the earth at any given point.  I can have a perfectly vertical pole mounted in my yard and Stefan can have the same thing in Germany yet, our poles will not be parallel.  This proves that the earth is not flat as you claim.  That bridge is curved and the engineers that designed it know that to be a fact.

This is getting ridiculous responding to these assertions that were disproven thousands of years ago.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2016, 06:43:10 PM
So now we know what it is all about.  Thee is a big LED lamp for the North Star at the top of the dome and it is all set up by the great big sky man-thing.  Where is Slim Pickens when you need him?  How will you show you adore him and serve him?  Hosts, ganga, spinning wheels, or perhaps chopping people's heads off?  So many choices.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 06:58:52 PM
Japanese scientists fire a 2 quadrillion-watt laser, the most powerful ever (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/japanese-scientists-fire-2-quadrillion-watt-laser-most-184952337.html)!

* Chicago's Soldier Field Glows Green (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jjH0MAS-Ac) at the same moment Japan fires this green laser (the Laser Bounces off the sky-dome and reflects light down onto Chicago's Soldier Field).

Did Japan just Prove to the World that our World is a Domed Flat Earth without realizing it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14-aK0mkZg)?

Gravock

More evidence supporting a dome flat earth.

Here's an experiment using a glass dome bow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcOtmQ2njNQ)l, with a lighter to simulate the sun, and then footage of the sun on the dome replicating the exact same effects on the glass bowl. The weakness of this experiment is the size of the bowl in comparison to the lighter, the lighter is too bright compared to the sun, never-the-less we see perfect mimicking of this sun-dome-reflection.

At the 22 minute mark it's shown how this isn't a rare phenomenon, but happens every day.  It has to do with the location of the observer and the sun's movement / location at the time of the reflection, as is shown with the glass bowl experiment, and not ice particles.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 07:26:17 PM

But, as most of us already know, water does find its own level...AS relative to the center of the mass of the earth at any given point.  I can have a perfectly vertical pole mounted in my yard and Stefan can have the same thing in Germany yet, our poles will not be parallel.  This proves that the earth is not flat as you claim.  That bridge is curved and the engineers that designed it know that to be a fact.


This is getting ridiculous responding to these assertions that were disproven thousands of years ago.


Bill


Yes, I think we all agree that water finds it's own level, thus you need to prove that the water bends to the surface of the earth in order for the mast of the ship to appear before the hull.  This has nothing to do with the curvature of the bridge itself.  The bridge may be curved, but not the water below it.  Please show the curvature of the water in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches. 

In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth.  However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkjf07JuG4)"  Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video. 

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 07:55:58 PM
Yes, I think we all agree that water finds it's own level, thus you need to prove that the water bends to the surface of the earth in order for the mast of the ship to appear before the hull.  This has nothing to do with the curvature of the bridge itself.  The bridge may be curved, but not the water below it.  Please show the curvature of the water in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches. 

In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth.  However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkjf07JuG4)"  Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video. 

Gravock


I give up.  I blame the government take over of the school system in the 1960's.  The dept. of education (what an oxymoron) needs to be eliminated in the US as we were doing much better without it.  Back in the 1950's (prior to the dept. of education) a high school grad could do math, read, write and speak excellent English and could find employment because they had marketable skills.  Now...not so much.


I am done.  You have defeated me with your ignorance of ordinary scientific principles.


Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2016, 08:08:33 PM
In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth.  However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkjf07JuG4)"  Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video. 

Gravock

But you are defeated by the comments from David Ridlin in your Toronto YouTube clip:

+GARY IS RIGHT! -   "Hence the earth's surface curves at approximately 8 inches per mile. "

You are correct!  But that has nothing to  do with bulge height, as I demonstarted to you several times now-  https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg)   but you keep ignoring.

The irony is that there are many flat-Earthers attempting to prove flat earth by showing how distant objects are visible over many miles.  And then there are others attempting to prove flat Earth by showing how distant objects are obscured over many miles, and claim it is due to perspective.  But those are contradictory arguments.    If Toronto appears too visible over many miles, then it proves flat earth.  And if Toronto appears too obscured, that also proves flat earth, due to perspective.   Circular sliding confirmation goalposts reasoning bias.

+norskemann1 " Wouldnt the buildings "merge" with the horizon?  Maybe if he zoomed back out a little?"

No.  Changes in magnification only cause your view to appear larger or smaller.  It will not cause more distant objects to seem to slide behind closer objects.  Here are photo examples showing how increased magnification does no change apparent ship height over horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg)   Parallax occurs with a physical change in position of the observer or the objects.   For example, even slight changes in altitude of the observer changes how far you can see over the curved horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg)  But there is no physical change in position with magnification.

If anyone insists on believing otherwise, then post your assertion in a photography forum for corroboration.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 08:09:41 PM

I give up.  I blame the government take over of the school system in the 1960's.  The dept. of education (what an oxymoron) needs to be eliminated in the US as we were doing much better without it.  Back in the 1950's (prior to the dept. of education) a high school grad could do math, read, write and speak excellent English and could find employment because they had marketable skills.  Now...not so much.


I am done.  You have defeated me with your ignorance of ordinary scientific principles.


Bill

Don't give up, and don't fear the truth, for fear is just the uncertainty of the truth.  It's easier to deceive the masses than to convince them they have been deceived.  Ordinary scientific principles, which are inconsistent with reality, have been designed to deceive the masses by TPTB in order to keep us enslaved and to hijack humanity and God's creation.  The archons are a virus, and they're out to destroy the Image of God (mankind) and all things organic.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2016, 08:18:49 PM
David Ridlin was also kind enough to clear up the "Eight inches per mile-squared" nonsense.  Some geometry for flat Earthers.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 30, 2016, 08:19:41 PM
Quote from: Pirate88179

Totally not true!  I have done this with a 400X zoom camera and, you still see the top part of the ship, or other object, as it approaches. Same with a sunrise or sunset.  Do you even try these things out for yourself or just believe them because you read it on the internet somewhere?

Aye, any sailor who's stood Bridge Lookout
Watch will vouch for that.  It is even easier
at night.  The first thing seen on distant approaching
ships on clear nights are the topmast running lights,
then as distance decreases the lower running lights
become visible.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2016, 08:20:41 PM
Don't give up, and don't fear the truth, for fear is just the uncertainty of the truth.  It's easier to deceive the masses than to convince them they have been deceived.  Ordinary scientific principles, which are inconsistent with reality, have been designed to deceive the masses by TPTB in order to keep us enslaved and to hijack humanity and God's creation.  The archons are a virus, and they're out to destroy the Image of God (mankind) and all things organic.

Gravock

I refuse to go to The Church of the Zombie Pod People.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: DR.WHO on April 30, 2016, 08:50:25 PM
Are you sure its 8 inch every mile ? and if its refraction why does the object not look curved like a rainbow ? Is it not right to say the horizon is both flat and curved as that fits with the quantum mechanics , a kind of quantised duality. For a second it looks flat than it looks curved than its looks flat haha .. The fact is you can not prove anything unless you dig a hole through it.

Any other observation can be argued till the cows come home .  Dont except anything unless you have permitted your mind to to consider that reality it self is on to the individual of ones own perspective ! The point is that it is more probable that the earth is flat and curved at close to the same time due to the conservation laws that permit a two dimensional universe to exist next to a three dimensional universe.

Remember a two dimensional mind would only see a flat earth ! This concludes that all flat earth people are flat hahahahahah I new these shadow people were real ahahah
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
But you are defeated by the comments from David Ridlin in your Toronto YouTube clip:

+GARY IS RIGHT! -   "Hence the earth's surface curves at approximately 8 inches per mile. "

You are correct!  But that has nothing to  do with bulge height, as I demonstarted to you several times now-  https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg)   but you keep ignoring.

The irony is that there are many flat-Earthers attempting to prove flat earth by showing how distant objects are visible over many miles.  And then there are others attempting to prove flat Earth by showing how distant objects are obscured over many miles, and claim it is due to perspective.  But those are contradictory arguments.    If Toronto appears too visible over many miles, then it proves flat earth.  And if Toronto appears too obscured, that also proves flat earth, due to perspective.   Circular sliding confirmation goalposts reasoning bias.

+norskemann1 " Wouldnt the buildings "merge" with the horizon?  Maybe if he zoomed back out a little?"

No.  Changes in magnification only cause your view to appear larger or smaller.  It will not cause more distant objects to seem to slide behind closer objects.  Here are photo examples showing how increased magnification does no change apparent ship height over horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg)   Parallax occurs with a physical change in position of the observer or the objects.   For example, even slight changes in altitude of the observer changes how far you can see over the curved horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg (https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg)  But there is no physical change in position with magnification.

If anyone insists on believing otherwise, then post your assertion in a photography forum for corroboration.

There's a 26ft. curve over a distance of 39 miles and you're claiming the CN tower is approximately 603ft below sea level.  The most it can be below sea level is 26ft. in a spherical model of the earth.  Try again!

Gravock 
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 09:00:03 PM
I used to fly airplanes. (Small private aircraft) I have flown in airplanes high enough (commercial airliner) to see the curvature of the earth.  It did not matter if I were going east/west or north/south, you could just make out the slight curvature at the horizon if you looked carefully.  So, do you believe what you read on the internet or your lying eyes?

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 09:17:50 PM
I used to fly airplanes. (Small private aircraft) I have flown in airplanes high enough (commercial airliner) to see the curvature of the earth.  It did not matter if I were going east/west or north/south, you could just make out the slight curvature at the horizon if you looked carefully.  So, do you believe what you read on the internet or your lying eyes?

Bill

You looked out of the aircraft through a thick window, which skewed your perspective on the true reality of things.  And you talk about being ignorant of general science principals, lol.  Here's an amateur rocket launch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQw_C5KLhFM), which uses a non-fish-eye lens, and reaches an amazing height of 120,000 feet showing the earth is flat as a pancake!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2016, 09:38:44 PM
There's a 26ft. curve over a distance of 39 miles and you're claiming the CN tower is approximately 603ft below sea level.  The most it can be below sea level is 26ft. in a spherical model of the earth.  Try again!

Gravock

Look at the diagram in post #54 and look at the pictures in post #52.  I have seen the image of the Toronto skyline sunken below the horizon myself.  So either the Earth is curved or the sky man-thing likes to play jokes on you and makes temporary giant sinkholes for his amusement.

You are clearly on the side of the lunatic fringe when it comes to this subject.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
Former NAZI, Wernher von Braun, head of rocket program has Psalm 19:1 on his tombstone.  The firmament is in reference to the dome.

Psalm 19:1King James Version (KJV)

19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 10:14:02 PM
Below is an illustration of an experiment that would determine whether Earth is flat or curved beyond all reasonable doubt, without interference from effects such as  atmospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Effect_of_atmospheric_refraction).

Description of the Experiment
:
Two parallel pipes (one above the other and touching).
One pipe is half-filled with water and serves as a level for the other pipe, which rides on top of it (touching) and is "filled" with vacuum.  Periodic adjustable supports allow for exact leveling of the two pipe combo, on any non-hilly terrain.

The laser beam inside the vacuum pipe is compared to the water level in the water pipe below.


A 400m long pipe is enough. (or ¼ mile)


Formula for the difference in the length of the orange and violet ruler on a curved Earth:
Δh = ( r / cos( arc/r ) ) - r

where:
Δh: the drop-off of the curved water surface compared to a straight laser line.
r: mean radius of the Earth,
arc: the length of the arc (distance measured between two points along the water's/Earth's surface)



LEGEND
:
- All vertical rulers are referenced to the water level in the half-filled pipe.
   - The orange rulers are of equal length.
   - The violet ruler measures the result of the experiment.  On curved Earth it will be longer than the orange rulers.

- The green triangles are the adjustable supports for the pipes.

Yes, and there's a well known experiment that has already been done which proves the earth isn't rotating, which is the Michelson–Morley experiment!  Scientist's admit the Earth is the center of the universe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsnTHXOPKC4) at 14 minutes 12 seconds to around 20 min in the video.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 10:15:39 PM
Von Braun was not a NAZI.  You need to research stuff before posting.  This has been looked into many, many years ago and proven false...yet, since you didn't know about that, you post this crap. You need to read the FBI and CIA files on him and learn something.  Also, research Operation Paperclip.

Making this claim is the same as claiming that those poor bastards performing slave labor in the NAZI underground munitions works were also NAZI sympathizers as well.

Did he do what the NAZI guys told him to do?  Yes, and so would you.  I have like 5 books on him here on my shelves and none of them support your nasty claim for this intelligent man.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 10:29:40 PM
Von Braun was not a NAZI.  You need to research stuff before posting.  This has been looked into many, many years ago and proven false...yet, since you didn't know about that, you post this crap. You need to read the FBI and CIA files on him and learn something.  Also, research Operation Paperclip.

Making this claim is the same as claiming that those poor bastards performing slave labor in the NAZI underground munitions works were also NAZI sympathizers as well.

Did he do what the NAZI guys told him to do?  Yes, and so would you.  I have like 5 books on him here on my shelves and none of them support your nasty claim for this intelligent man.

Bill

All order followers are bad people!  Who is more at fault, the order giver or the order follower?  The order giver says, "I didn't blow them kids up", and the order follower says, "I'm not responsible, I was only following orders".  The order follower is more at fault, because it is he/she who manifested it into physical reality and not the order giver. 

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 10:49:47 PM
You glossed over a big difference there.

"You need to do as I say or you will be shot!" 

Those poor bastards in the underground munition works were not following orders as much as they were trying to stay alive.  You can read all about this as much research has been done and all of it was published.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2016, 11:18:44 PM
You glossed over a big difference there.

"You need to do as I say or you will be shot!" 

Those poor bastards in the underground munition works were not following orders as much as they were trying to stay alive.  You can read all about this as much research has been done and all of it was published.

Bill

No, I did not gloss over a big difference.  I would not do anything that is against my own consciousness and beliefs.  You do not compromise your core values and beliefs for another person by causing harm to another, period.  You're not exercising your own consciousness by blindly following orders.  We are individuals!  We are not borg or part of a collective mind.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 01, 2016, 12:11:21 AM
No, I did not gloss over a big difference.  I would not do anything that is against my own consciousness and beliefs.  You do not compromise your core values and beliefs for another person by causing harm to another, period.  You're not exercising your own consciousness by blindly following orders.  We are individuals!  We are not borg or part of a collective mind.

Gravock

Yes you did gloss over it.  It is very easy to type that you would never compromise your principles but, let's just think about how you might react with a Lugar in your ear....or a family member of yours...you might just build that rocket motor after all.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 12:27:34 AM
Yes you did gloss over it.  It is very easy to type that you would never compromise your principles but, let's just think about how you might react with a Lugar in your ear....or a family member of yours...you might just build that rocket motor after all.

Bill

Nope, you're wrong!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 01, 2016, 12:42:12 AM
Nope, you're wrong!

Gravock

Whatever Dude.  I am sure everyone here reading this believes you.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 01, 2016, 01:09:48 AM
Are you sure its 8 inch every mile ?
No, the obscuration height on a spherical Earth is 8 inches at 1 mile, not  8 inches per mile.
For example, the obscuration height at 2 miles is 32 inches (not 16 inches).
...and at 10 miles the obscuration height is 800 inches (not 80 inches).


The full formula for the the obscuration height (h) on a spherical Earth is:
h = ( r / cos( arc/r ) ) - r

where:
r: mean radius of the Earth (6371km or 3959miles),
arc: the length of the arc (distance measured between two points along the water's/Earth's surface)



P.S.
All of that photographic evidence of the objects beyond the horizon cannot be trusted because the atmosphere distorts and ducts light rays.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 01, 2016, 01:22:08 AM
Yes, I think we all agree that water finds it's own level, thus you need to prove that the water bends to the surface of the earth...
Yes, the water follows the mean surface of the Earth.  Water must curve on a spherical Earth.

380 feet of missing curvature (image below). 
How do you propose to rigorously detect this curvature (or lack of it) without vacuum ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 01, 2016, 01:26:51 AM
Yes, and there's a well known experiment that has already been done which proves the earth isn't rotating, which is the Michelson–Morley experiment!
What about the Foucault pendulums ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 01, 2016, 03:18:22 AM
Here's an amateur rocket launch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQw_C5KLhFM), which uses a non-fish-eye lens, and reaches an amazing height of 120,000 feet showing the earth is flat as a pancake!
Actually, the down-looking GoPro camera on that rocket had a fish-eye lens.  The sideways looking FlipHD camera - did not.
Full unedited videos from both cameras are here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDqoxMUroA&feature=youtu.be&hd=1).
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 03:29:03 AM
What about the Foucault pendulums ?

There are many videos of the midnight arctic sun, so I'm sure that they are not fakes and none of them agree with the globe model.  Here's an excellent video on the midnight sun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Y7DrOwfE0) that can be used as a visual aid if you have a hard time visualizing this.

If the earth were a globe rotating on a tilted axis as we have been taught, then from inside of the arctic circle near the outer edge where the sun is visible 24 hours a day in the summer time we should see the suns path as a clockwise rotating oval, not the up and down that is observed.

The sun supposedly travels east to west across the sky because of the direction of the earth’s rotation. At night in the arctic circle we would be moving in the opposite direction in relation to the sun, so if we could see the sun at night (which we can from inside the arctic circle) then the sun would appear to be traveling the sky from west to east.

So what we should see if the earth were a globe is the sun traveling from east to west then slowing and lowering and eventually changing direction to form an oval. This is not what we see.  So the globe is debunked.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 03:34:48 AM
If the earth were a globe aprox. 25,000 miles in circumference, a plane traveling at 300 mph in a straight forward east west trajectory at the equator would be gaining altitude at a rate of 8” x 300m x 300m = 6000 ft. an hour = 1.14 miles an hour = 100 ft. a minute = 1.67 ft. per second.

This rate would increase exponentially the further north or south you get away from the equator due to the smaller circumference of the globe earth near the poles when traveling in a strictly east to west direction.  So unless pilots are constantly adjusting for curvature and pointing the nose slightly downward in order to compensate (which they aren’t because the earth is flat) they would be constantly gaining altitude.

If we were on a spinning globe then people in north America should be being pulled slightly southward (northward in Australia) by the centrifugal force which would be pulling us outward at a 90 degree angle from the axis of rotation which from our perspective would be slightly south. We would always be a little off balance. 

This force should be easily detected and measured if it existed but it isn’t and it hasn’t because it doesn’t exist.

Lunar eclipses sometimes happen when the sun and moon are both visible in the sky, this proves that it is not the earth’s shadow causing the eclipses.

If we were on a spinning ball orbiting the sun that is orbiting the galactic center that is traveling through space at high speed, (which is not a uniform motion) we would be constantly changing direction, speeding up and slowing down and it would be noticeable.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 01, 2016, 03:52:17 AM
Gravock,

Your analysis of aviation was "a try" but not a very
convincing one.  You really should take up the art
of flying.  Even over-fly Antarctica for a first hand
look.  Or do Flat-Earthers not engage in such activities
which might pose hazard to their "beliefs?"
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: DR.WHO on May 01, 2016, 04:54:53 AM
Its a hard fact but a true one ! All the videos I have been viewing as re rockets space planes ect ect ect all offer round and straight line horizons and some even have a concave view of the horizon .

The point is we want a round world and we plan for that and build to that and even fly around the world but we are in the 3rd dimensional plane of vision and that can not by its self conclude the world to be round when a 2 dimensional view exists ...


Its impossible to say that a two dimensional reality is not real when  the building bock for the 3rd dimensional depends on it !


Observations of optical planes are obviously real so you truly need to look at the earth with out a space suite hahahahahahahha wow I dont think they have done that one hahahahahahah may be dog one might be the forst one to give it a go hahahah


Its is flat and it is round ! One anti mater one mater ! FACT NOT FICTION !





     
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2016, 05:00:37 AM
There are many videos of the midnight arctic sun, so I'm sure that they are not fakes and none of them agree with the globe model.  Here's an excellent video on the midnight sun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Y7DrOwfE0) that can be used as a visual aid if you have a hard time visualizing this.

If the earth were a globe rotating on a tilted axis as we have been taught, then from inside of the arctic circle near the outer edge where the sun is visible 24 hours a day in the summer time we should see the suns path as a clockwise rotating oval, not the up and down that is observed.

The sun supposedly travels east to west across the sky because of the direction of the earth’s rotation. At night in the arctic circle we would be moving in the opposite direction in relation to the sun, so if we could see the sun at night (which we can from inside the arctic circle) then the sun would appear to be traveling the sky from west to east.

So what we should see if the earth were a globe is the sun traveling from east to west then slowing and lowering and eventually changing direction to form an oval. This is not what we see.  So the globe is debunked.

Gravock

If the earth were a globe aprox. 25,000 miles in circumference, a plane traveling at 300 mph in a straight forward east west trajectory at the equator would be gaining altitude at a rate of 8” x 300m x 300m = 6000 ft. an hour = 1.14 miles an hour = 100 ft. a minute = 1.67 ft. per second.

This rate would increase exponentially the further north or south you get away from the equator due to the smaller circumference of the globe earth near the poles when traveling in a strictly east to west direction.  So unless pilots are constantly adjusting for curvature and pointing the nose slightly downward in order to compensate (which they aren’t because the earth is flat) they would be constantly gaining altitude.

If we were on a spinning globe then people in north America should be being pulled slightly southward (northward in Australia) by the centrifugal force which would be pulling us outward at a 90 degree angle from the axis of rotation which from our perspective would be slightly south. We would always be a little off balance. 

This force should be easily detected and measured if it existed but it isn’t and it hasn’t because it doesn’t exist.

Lunar eclipses sometimes happen when the sun and moon are both visible in the sky, this proves that it is not the earth’s shadow causing the eclipses.

If we were on a spinning ball orbiting the sun that is orbiting the galactic center that is traveling through space at high speed, (which is not a uniform motion) we would be constantly changing direction, speeding up and slowing down and it would be noticeable.

Gravock

It's kind of fun to toy with people like you, just to see what erroneous bullshit you come up with next, and watch how you ignore things like the Foucault pendulum experiment, or the Coriolis effect, or the many NASA space missions and those of other countries, the photographs from space, the thousands of computerized telescopes that depend on the _reality_ of the globular planet to locate their target planets and stars, the thousands of satellites launched into orbit by China, Russia, France, Great Britain, Japan, USA, even North Korea .... Watching you claim that all that absolutely consistent data is simply faked is hilarious. Come on, give us some more "proofs" of your silly claims, show us how absolutely ignorant you actually are. Make some more huge bloopers like you've made in the posts I've quoted-- they are truly hilarious.






Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2016, 05:04:22 AM
Its a hard fact but a true one ! All the videos I have been viewing as re rockets space planes ect ect ect all offer round and straight line horizons and some even have a concave view of the horizon .

The point is we want a round world and we plan for that and build to that and even fly around the world but we are in the 3rd dimensional plane of vision and that can not by its self conclude the world to be round when a 2 dimensional view exists ...


Its impossible to say that a two dimensional reality is not real when  the building bock for the 3rd dimensional depends on it !


Observations of optical planes are obviously real so you truly need to look at the earth with out a space suite hahahahahahahha wow I dont think they have done that one hahahahahahah may be dog one might be the forst one to give it a go hahahah


Its is flat and it is round ! One anti mater one mater ! FACT NOT FICTION !





     

Do you really think you are fooling anyone with your "new" identity?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 05:21:31 AM
It's kind of fun to toy with people like you, just to see what erroneous bullshit you come up with next, and watch how you ignore things like the Foucault pendulum experiment, or the Coriolis effect, or the many NASA space missions and those of other countries, the photographs from space, the thousands of computerized telescopes that depend on the _reality_ of the globular planet to locate their target planets and stars, the thousands of satellites launched into orbit by China, Russia, France, Great Britain, Japan, USA, even North Korea .... Watching you claim that all that absolutely consistent data is simply faked is hilarious. Come on, give us some more "proofs" of your silly claims, show us how absolutely ignorant you actually are. Make some more huge bloopers like you've made in the posts I've quoted-- they are truly hilarious.

If the Coriolis effect is real, then it would be impossible for a plane to land on a moving runway. The Flat Earth Documentary - 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfMZ9sDXAp0) covers everything you mentioned above, including a simulation of what would happen to a plane trying to land on a moving runway due to the so-called Coriolis effect.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 05:24:18 AM
Do you really think you are fooling anyone with your "new" identity?

Ask Stephan if the IP addresses match!  They won't match, because I haven't assumed a new identity.  I only have one username on this forum.

Gravock


Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 01, 2016, 07:44:21 AM
Quote from: Gravock
...what would happen to a plane trying to land on a moving runway...

Navy Aviation Pilots do this routinely.  Very short moving runways
at that.

Even without moving runways landing a commerical jetliner can
be very challenging:

Spectacular cross-wind approaches and landings
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdxU-0W-RE)
More spectacular cross-wind landings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMvLuUJFHYk)

Fortunately, military and airline pilots are versatile and talented.

Navy Air Ops during rough seas. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4HTXBTkcpg)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 08:39:45 AM
Navy Aviation Pilots do this routinely.  Very short moving runways
at that.

Even without moving runways landing a commerical jetliner can
be very challenging:

Spectacular cross-wind approaches and landings
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdxU-0W-RE)
More spectacular cross-wind landings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMvLuUJFHYk)

Fortunately, military and airline pilots are versatile and talented.

Navy Air Ops during rough seas. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4HTXBTkcpg)

Obviously you didn't watch the video.  A runway that is moving parallel with the plane is not the same as a runway that is moving and changing it's direction relative to the plane, due to the Coriolis effect, as the plane approaches it.  Big difference!  In other words, the Coriolis effect as you know it is fictitious and not real, thus the successful landings, thus a flat earth.  Thank You for proving the flat earth!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2016, 10:50:31 AM
If the Coriolis effect is real, then it would be impossible for a plane to land on a moving runway. The Flat Earth Documentary - 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfMZ9sDXAp0) covers everything you mentioned above, including a simulation of what would happen to a plane trying to land on a moving runway due to the so-called Coriolis effect.

Gravock
Quote
Obviously you didn't watch the video.  A runway that is moving parallel with the plane is not the same as a runway that is moving and changing it's direction relative to the plane, due to the Coriolis effect, as the plane approaches it.  Big difference!  In other words, the Coriolis effect as you know it is fictitious and not real, thus the successful landings, thus a flat earth.  Thank You for proving the flat earth!


Thank you for proving once again how idiotic your claims are !

Oh... I forgot to give you your ROFL !!! If you knew anything about aviation you'd know how silly your claims are.

Of course airplanes are affected by the Coriolis effect, but the magnitude of this effect is so small on the scale of aircraft landing/takeoff operations that it is virtually indetectable. Even the slightest crosswind component affects the aircraft more than the Coriolis effect. Try looking up artillery aiming, if you want an example where the CE affects practical outcomes and must be corrected for.

Now look up the Foucault pendulum experiment and explain why the big ones in the Deutches Museum in Munchen, in Paris, at the University of Chicago and elsewhere work as they do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBvh8XgyvA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBvh8XgyvA)


Oh... I forgot... they are all fakes, aren't they.

Come on, tell us another one!
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2016, 10:52:54 AM
Ask Stephan if the IP addresses match!  They won't match, because I haven't assumed a new identity.  I only have one username on this forum.

Gravock

That post wasn't addressed to you. Not everything is about you, actually.
DR.WHO = ATOMMIX  , very obviously.

And it doesn't matter one bit whether the IP addresses are different or not. Can you spell "proxies" ? Anonymizers?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Farmhand on May 01, 2016, 11:34:38 AM
I don't know what to say about this video below except that it is quite humorous and probably not far from the truth.
I think this video probably expresses what many people think. For best effect please watch it in it's entirety.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_f8LDSLlA

Another video with some interesting info from about 2:30 in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5VwHrLciE

..
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 11:56:00 AM


Thank you for proving once again how idiotic your claims are !

Oh... I forgot to give you your ROFL !!! If you knew anything about aviation you'd know how silly your claims are.

Of course airplanes are affected by the Coriolis effect, but the magnitude of this effect is so small on the scale of aircraft landing/takeoff operations that it is virtually indetectable. Even the slightest crosswind component affects the aircraft more than the Coriolis effect. Try looking up artillery aiming, if you want an example where the CE affects practical outcomes and must be corrected for.

Now look up the Foucault pendulum experiment and explain why the big ones in the Deutches Museum in Munchen, in Paris, at the University of Chicago and elsewhere work as they do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBvh8XgyvA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBvh8XgyvA)


Oh... I forgot... they are all fakes, aren't they.

Come on, tell us another one!

The Foucalt's Pendulum Debunked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzG_SAPwaZg)!  The Foucalt's pendulum makes more sense on a flat earth than a rotating earth.  Below is a quote by don Quixote on the youtube comments:

"Did you read Umberto Eco: Foucault pendulum? Even he appears to have problems with this: for one, the pendulum is not suspended freely, only as free as high precision engineering allows for; secondly, as you noted, those pendulums are augmented with magnetic, or electro-magnetic devices to maintain their oscillations. Those issues can obviously affect the behaviour we see, therefore falsify/corrupt data. Bim (http://flatearthtruth.freeforums.net/thread/152/foucault-pendulum) found out that when they put a Foucault pendulum in Antarctica they found it rotating against the expected direction and had to tweak it twice (few days of solid work) to make it match the predicated model.   I believe they mess with the balance actually. Indeed the star trail! I am tempted to look at the electro-magnetic field as per the toroid model controlling the firmament. or celestial bodies above, but other less known phenomena can be at work here for sure. Coriolis, as a certain predilection in the clouds movement, is not otherwise present in the ballistic trajectory as far as my experience attests - I have a vid on my channel called the rocket man.  I have subbed to you for a while now, love your graphics and obvious knowledge and intelligence and you are a fantastic communicator. Well done!"

A quote by, Dubno Val:

"yes from what i understand, the actual experiment is likely promoted and tailored to show what they need it to show. my point is, even that being said, the explanation they give us disproves itself. whether the experiment actually works or not, it doe NOT prove a globe and works better on the flat earth model."

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 12:13:14 PM
The well known Michelson-Morley experiment clearly shows no rotation of the earth!  I posted this earlier and there has been no attempts to refute it.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on May 01, 2016, 12:14:47 PM
those pendulums are augmented with magnetic, or electro-magnetic devices to maintain their oscillations.

Gravock

this is absolutely false

are you very very sane ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 12:21:03 PM
this is absolutely false

are you very very sane ?

If not, then we have a perpetual motion machine!  What's being used to maintain it's oscillations?  Explanations of the mechanics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum#Explanation_of_mechanics) (snapshot below).

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 12:40:46 PM
1851 Paris Observatory 'proof of rotation'

The pendulum’s swing rotated clockwise 11° per hour, making a full circle in 32.7 hours.

South Pole Foucault Pendulum – Winter, 2001

Principal Investigators: Mike Town, Ph.D. candidate, University of Washington; John Bird, Ph.D., FBIS, P.Eng, York University; R. Allan Baker, Sonoma State University

A Foucault Pendulum at the South Pole was determined to have a period of 24 hours, ± 50 minutes.

“Standing on the bottom of the world the Earth spins backward relative to the direction it spins in the Northern Hemisphere. Our first attempt with the pendulum showed the Earth spinning backward from what was expected. We didn’t notice this at first because we’re all from the Northern Hemisphere and are accustomed to the earth spinning in an anticlockwise direction. We then realized that from our frame of reference the earth should be spinning clockwise so we had to modify the pendulum. At an altitude of 11,000+ feet we think a bit more slowly.

The air resistance against this weight caused the pendulum itself to rotate. This gave us spurious results for our first attempt. Later we fashioned the weight so that it was hanging horizontally to the plane of the floor and we got results consistent with what was expected. Our second attempt showed the earth rotating in the proper direction but at an angular velocity twice what is expected (i.e., 12 hour days instead of 24). Our last attempt showed that the earth spins on its axis once every 24 hours, as expected.

It was difficult to make the pendulum swing in a plane instead of an ellipse. After several attempts with various techniques of holding the bob and dropping it we always got some kind of ellipse instead of a plane. This adds to our error because it is more difficult to locate and mark the pendulum arc’s apex.“

source: www.southpolestation.com/trivia/00s/southpolefoucault.html

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on May 01, 2016, 07:03:15 PM
If not, then we have a perpetual motion machine!  What's being used to maintain it's oscillations?  Explanations of the mechanics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum#Explanation_of_mechanics) (snapshot below).

Gravock

has i have said months ago it is not PM but easy to move with your hand
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on May 01, 2016, 07:10:31 PM

source: www.southpolestation.com/trivia/00s/southpolefoucault.html (http://www.southpolestation.com/trivia/00s/southpolefoucault.html)

Gravock

this not a proof = this is inconclusive experiment

in paris the penduleum works as expected
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 08:17:43 PM
this not a proof = this is inconclusive experiment

in paris the penduleum works as expected

No, It didn't work as expected in the 1851 Paris observatory 'rotation' experiment.  The experiment is promoted and tailored to show what they need it to show. The explanation they give us disproves itself.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 08:24:03 PM
An animated explanation of "Airy's Failure" experiment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87M2i61N1cU)

An experiment known as "Airey's Failure" involves filling a telescope with water to slow down the speed of light inside. Usually telescopes must be slightly tilted to get the starlight down the axis of the tube supposedly due to "Earth's speed around the sun." Airey discovered that actually the starlight was already coming in at the correct angle so no change was necessary. This demonstrated that the stars move relative to a stationary Earth and not the other way around; if it was the telescope moving, he would have to change the angle.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 01, 2016, 09:48:33 PM
I don't know what to say about this video below except that it is quite humorous and probably not far from the truth.
I think this video probably expresses what many people think. For best effect please watch it in it's entirety.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_f8LDSLlA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_f8LDSLlA)

Another video with some interesting info from about 2:30 in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5VwHrLciE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5VwHrLciE)

..

Aye, both reveal the true nature of the Flat Earth
Psychological Operation.  It really is a "religious"
operation which is intended to pave the way for
the coming One World Religion of The Beast.

It was foretold that during the Apocalypse a great
effort to overcome Truth with the Lie would encompass
the World.  Many would be deceived and forsake
their good sense to worship The Beast.  It has begun
and it will get really crazy as it proceeds.

The Good News is that in the End the Truth will prevail.
In the meantime, as this Great Deception unfolds, the
vast majority will buy into it.

There are quite a number of videos coming out which
expose the source of the PsyOp and its purpose.

This is a good one which gets to the heart of it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhXQIJ0qc94)

As the man said; There is no limit to human stupidity.


Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2016, 10:02:49 PM
Aye, both reveal the true nature of the Flat Earth
Psychological Operation.  It really is a "religious"
operation which is intended to pave the way for
the coming One World Religion of The Beast.

It was foretold that during the Apocalypse a great
effort to overcome Truth with the Lie would encompass
the World.  Many would be deceived and forsake
their good sense to worship The Beast.  It has begun
and it will get really crazy as it proceeds.

The Good News is that in the End the Truth will prevail.
In the meantime, as this Great Deception unfolds, the
vast majority will buy into it.

There are quite a number of videos coming out which
expose the source of the PsyOp and its purpose.

This is a good one which gets to the heart of it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhXQIJ0qc94)

As the man said; There is no limit to human stupidity.

You inverted the truth!  Do you believe in the ancient manuscripts (the bible and other supporting manuscripts) or not?

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 01, 2016, 10:27:38 PM
When we are sincere in our quest for Truth
and call upon The Helper to provide discernment,
we are given the comprehension we seek.

It is an unfortunate Truth that historical manuscripts
and documents have been corrupted by those who
are under the influence of the Father of the Lie.

The Wisdom of Man is folly.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 01, 2016, 11:30:57 PM
I am just flabbergasted that this conversation is even taking place.  I have shown this topic to a few folks that just stare at me and shake their heads.

One of them asked..."Isn't there hospitals that can help these poor folks?"

It is a shame and a bad reflection on our education system.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: DR.WHO on May 01, 2016, 11:50:01 PM
Is the blind leading the blind ? Stick to just one observation and that is that when viewing an object that is not to be seen due to the curvature of the earth that we can it been seen but only by instrumental means ? The earth is round but sometimes we see it as flat ! This is not religion its an observation and is a fact ! But why and how is it so ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Here2njoy on May 02, 2016, 01:20:08 AM
to whom it may concern,

Don't pay it any mind.  Let those who question...question.  They will figure their TRUTH in time.  When I see reflections refuse to form a straight line to the standing subject over 5 miles of standing water, when I see a 24/7 continuous picture of a spinning ball from a geosynchronous satellite, when I see a frozen lake have a bulge in the middle many miles long, when I see a complete overhaull of the space station because of temperature extremes, when I see tiny meteorites that come in during certain periods of the year effect even one of the many thousands of satellites in space, when I see a 93 million mile triangliation of the sun to earth that makes sense, then I might start thinking back to the ball earth that I used to  believe in since kindergarten.  Until then its 51 to 49% in favor of...... 
This video sums it up in most areas for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBVCmC0ACM
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Farmhand on May 02, 2016, 01:24:09 AM
Yes Pirate, it is a bit difficult to understand how anyone could buy into a flat Earth. It seems a portion of the population will latch onto anything that is related to "conspiracy" no matter how far fetched it is. While I do see a lot of modern "science" to be wasteful and pointless/unnecessary, there is also a lot that is very useful.

I think some people must either forego common sense or had none to begin with.

A couple of reasoning questions one should ask oneself when considering the Flat Earth.

1. If the Earth is flat, then what is on the other side ? Are both sides populated or is the "underside" just craggy rocks or something ?
2. How thick is the supposed disk/cookie ?
3. How are volcano's explained ?
There are many more.

Basically it comes down to the fact that people can believe anything they want, they can say what they want if there is no moderation.

Personally I think that some people are so confused by all the deceptions in our world that they want everything to be "different". And I can't say I blame them for that.

I really believe that way too much public expense is wasted on "space programs" and "high science" when we cannot even manage the land properly here on Earth. Basic life sustaining skills are being lost and the solution seems to be to kill a whole bunch of people by wars and chaos.

I cannot be angry at Flat Earthers when our elected servants act like dictators and continuously steal from us while interfering in others peoples countries affairs and so forth.

Constant stress and worry breeds insanity.

Possibly a yearning for a simpler time brings the desire to go back to when everybody believed the Earth was flat.

The serious issues modern science is causing for the future are many.

In most countries on this planet the ability/opportunity for people to live a simple life is being removed and unless folks want to live on the streets in the cities or like an animal in the bush then we must involve ourselves with "evils" of the modern world. In most countries the land is all owned, mostly by the rich, huge tracts of land. And individuals must pay others for the right to live some place. Even if you own a "house" in the city or elsewhere we must go onto others properties routinely. Which is not the way for people to live.

Maybe if the Earth was flat we could get to the other side and live in peace. haha.

..
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2016, 03:41:06 AM
This thread is so insane.  There is a cult of "flat Earthers" on YouTube that must number in the thousands that post and are visible, and tens of thousands that don't post and are invisible.  And as someone already mentioned, there is a pulp "crap and junk" industry feeding off of them and fattening up their bank accounts.

How about this one:  A digital watch, a car, an odometer, and a sextant.

Take some sightings of some stars and record the information.  Drive due south for 150 km.  Then take more sightings of the same stars.  Repeat as many times as you want.

You will get sextant measurements that are consistent with the world being a sphere.  With a small amount of extra brainpower you can crunch your measurements and determine the circumference of the Earth.

Anybody watch Carl Sagan's "Cosmos?"  He tells the story of how Eratosthenes did this very thing in the third century B.C.

And here we are in the 21st century and there are people that are 2400 years behind the times.  The mind boggles.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 02, 2016, 04:20:33 AM
Quote from: Miles Higher
This thread is so insane.  There is a cult of "flat Earthers" on YouTube that must number in the thousands that post and are visible, and tens of thousands that don't post and are invisible.  And as someone already mentioned, there is a pulp "crap and junk" industry feeding off of them and fattening up their bank accounts.

Convincing evidence that it is a well organized and
financed Psychological Operation.  The tactics used
by the so-called disciples of the Flat Earth Religion
indicate that the present PSYOP was activated in unison
essentially world-wide with a cleverly concocted script.

It is but a preview of what is to come as the War on Truth
heats up.

The Love of Money is always one aspect of these exercises.
But there is more.  Much more to come.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on May 02, 2016, 07:48:34 AM
No, It didn't work as expected in the 1851 Paris observatory 'rotation' experiment.
Gravock

no you are very wrong
we are in 2016 !! not 1851
you can see it every day in paris ( i looked at  it more than 1000 h )
this penduleum is working perfectly
you are in a very insane secte
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 02, 2016, 08:14:52 AM
Quote from: Tagor to Gravock
...you are in a very insane secte...

That is of course more than likely a truism.

Gravity Block just doesn't yet realize how he's
being played as he religiously follows his
"instructions" and the "playbook."

This Flat Earth PSYOP is just a "test" to help
determine how effective certain techniques
of deception have been.  Gravity Block's
Masters are somewhat concerned about the
ability of the internet to convey Truth.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 11:01:51 AM
That is of course more than likely a truism.

Gravity Block just doesn't yet realize how he's
being played as he religiously follows his
"instructions" and the "playbook."

This Flat Earth PSYOP is just a "test" to help
determine how effective certain techniques
of deception have been.  Gravity Block's
Masters are somewhat concerned about the
ability of the internet to convey Truth.

The ancient manuscripts support a domed flat earth, while the empirical evidence and observations support this.  There are many inconsistencies and lack of empirical evidence in the spherical model.  If it wasn't for NASA's fakery, lies, deceit, etc., then the flat earth would be much easier to accept as a truth. 

The adversary took Jesus up to an exceedingly high mountain and showed him all of the kingdoms of the earth.  The adversary offered Jesus all of the kingdoms if he bowed down and did an act of worship before him.  How can all of the kingdoms of the earth be seen from an exceedingly high mountain if the earth is spherical?  This can only be true in a flat earth model.  Also, this shows that the adversary is ruling over all of the kingdoms, thus our governments don't have our best interest in mind and are out to deceive the masses through indoctrination, education, social media, etc., and this is where the spherical earth model has been taught from, which is from the adversary.  The adversary is the god of this current system of things.

I work with a guy who was a former government employee.  He was a map maker.   He's totally convinced of the flat earth model and he isn't religious at all.  It was him who got me to look at the evidence and not the internet.  All of this PSYOP stuff makes it sound like you guys are panicking and trembling in fear of being overthrown.  It's as if you guys have been taken by surprise and are scrambling to put a band aid on it in order for the great deception to continue.  Here2njoy made some good points and they go un-refuted by you ballers.  Also, the Michelson-Morley experiment, Michelson-Gale's experiment, Airy's failed experiment, Sagnac experiment, the Bedford Level experiment, etc., support a flat earth.  You ballers have resorted to spam, inversion of the truth, and the PSYOP stuff to draw attention away from the facts, ROFLMAO.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2016, 11:18:29 AM
That is of course more than likely a truism.

Gravity Block just doesn't yet realize how he's
being played as he religiously follows his
"instructions" and the "playbook."

This Flat Earth PSYOP is just a "test" to help
determine how effective certain techniques
of deception have been.  Gravity Block's
Masters are somewhat concerned about the
ability of the internet to convey Truth.

Almost everything is a bloody PsyOp for you.  It's more like a nonsense positive feedback loop among gullible and unwise people with a feeding trough for those people that want to monetize that phenomenon.  Like, hey, why not set up another "X-Files" style YouTube channel and make money off of your computer by generating content for the gullible masses?  You can even turn your DVD burner into a license to print money with the "Living in the Snow Globe" series.

Wise people will apply the appropriate internal filters when reading your comments.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2016, 11:26:11 AM
I work with a guy who was a former government employee.  He was a map maker.   He's totally convinced of the flat earth model and he isn't religious at all.  It was him who got me to look at the evidence and not the internet.  All of this PSYOP stuff makes it sound like you guys are panicking and trembling in fear of being overthrown.  It's as if you guys have been taken by surprise and are scrambling to put a band aid on it in order for the great deception to continue.  Here2njoy made some good points and they go un-refuted by you ballers.  Also, the Michelson-Morley experiment, Michelson-Gale's experiment, Airy's failed experiment, Sagnac experiment, etc. support a flat earth.  You ballers have resorted to spam, inversion of the truth, and the PSYOP stuff to draw attention away from the facts, ROFLMAO.

Gravock

It's the old cliche about the competing crackpots fighting amongst each other because they have conflicting theories about "The Reality."

"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

Why don't both of you take both pills at the same time?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 11:41:37 AM

It's the old cliche about the competing crackpots fighting amongst each other because they have conflicting theories about "The Reality."


"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."


Why don't both of you take both pills at the same time?

More spam by you!  You should be proud of yourself for such an achievement.

Now, to answer your question:  It's because we know what it has done to you!  It has made you both blind and deaf!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 12:20:03 PM
Almost everything is a bloody PsyOp for you.  It's more like a nonsense positive feedback loop among gullible and unwise people with a feeding trough for those people that want to monetize that phenomenon.  Like, hey, why not set up another "X-Files" style YouTube channel and make money off of your computer by generating content for the gullible masses?  You can even turn your DVD burner into a license to print money with the "Living in the Snow Globe" series.

Wise people will apply the appropriate internal filters when reading your comments.

Look at what the Pope has around his arm in the image below (rotate the image 90 degrees to the right).  Isn't that a variation of the image you just posted?  ROFLMAO!  Is the pope and the masons flat earthers?  Maybe the masons are behind the organized PYSOPS.

Isaiah 14:13 ►

For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the farthest sides of the north:

There may be a very tall mountain at the very center of the north pole, and that is why this place is the 33rd region (33 degree mason is the highest level), and why it is the most restricted airspace on the planet (along with the outer most edges of Antarctica). It got me thinking about how "Santa Claus" lives in the North Pole...about how all the people who want presents / gifts / material possessions in this world worship Lucifer...I then realized perhaps Santa Claus is an Anagram.  If we re-arrange Santa Claus we get Satan Lucas. Come to find out Lucas in Latin AND English both mean's "bringer of light" .

http://baby-names.familyeducation.com/na...ning/lucas (http://baby-names.familyeducation.com/na...ning/lucas)

Satan's name itself according to wikipedia means "light bearer", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer)

So here we have Santa Claus re-arranged to Satan Lucas translating to Light bearer / Bringer of light....what are those odds?!?!

This is a matrix moment...

Please watch the video in it's entirety (link below)..and at the 1 minute 25 seconds all that you will ponder above and the images below, along with my previous post, will begin to carry weight.

Mount Sumeru - "The City Of The Gods"  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk7fC5nA8_I):  A Magnetic Mountain in legends that was so powerful that it pulled the nails right out of explorer’s boats! It was said this mountain reached so high that Polaris was it's top and the city itself shined like gold, in-so-much that the star you saw in the sky that was Polaris was actually the shining city, and that on top of this mountain you could see unto the ends of the earth.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2016, 12:40:51 PM
More spam by you!  You should be proud of yourself for such an achievement.

Now, to answer your question:  It's because we know what it has done to you!  It has made you both blind and deaf!

Gravock

Another false statement by you!  I gave you some solid technical arguments and you were due for some satire.

Believe whatever silliness you want to believe, it doesn't affect me.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 12:49:05 PM
Wise people will apply the appropriate internal filters when reading your comments.

The willfully ignorant, such as yourself, needs to clean their internal filters... because 'nothing' is going in, and 'nothing' is coming out.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on May 02, 2016, 01:05:04 PM
The willfully ignorant, such as yourself, needs to clean their internal filters... because 'nothing' is going in, and 'nothing' is coming out.

Gravock

What are the consequences of a flat earth?

All space flights (satellites, moon landing, probes flying to all planets in our solar system) did not happen?

Exploring space is not necessary because it is just a dome over a flat earth?

What I never hear from flat earthers are conclusions. Once you believe in a flat earth you have to draw conclusions, you have to come up with a new science. Just believing in a flat earth is nonsense.

So, what are the conclusions and what are the consequences for space travel and science in general?

I asked that before in this forum, but nobody seems to be interested.
http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482424/#msg482424

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 02, 2016, 01:24:31 PM
All space flights (satellites, moon landing, probes flying to all planets in our solar system) did not happen?
I think that even the proponents of flat Earth don't deny the existence of satellites, below the Van Allen belt altitude, because of an alternate explanation of the mechanism that keeps them up there ...a Lorentz like force or something like that.

Moon landings and interplanetary probes are a different story, of course.
 

P.S.
And in a Matrix scenario, anything is possible ...even "turtles all the way down".
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on May 02, 2016, 06:00:25 PM
Mount Sumeru - "The City Of The Gods"  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk7fC5nA8_I):  A Magnetic Mountain in legends that was so powerful that it pulled the nails right out of explorer’s boats! It was said this mountain reached so high that Polaris was it's top and the city itself shined like gold, in-so-much that the star you saw in the sky that was Polaris was actually the shining city, and that on top of this mountain you could see unto the ends of the earth.

Gravock

So, you are now aware of "the ORDERS that run the world -- the REAL conspirators behind the conspiracies....". Fine, do you fight these ORDERS or are you an ardent follower?

Are you just believing in these ORDERS or are you actually doing something for or against them?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 08:15:25 PM
I think that even the proponents of flat Earth don't deny the existence of satellites, below the Van Allen belt altitude, because of an alternate explanation of the mechanism that keeps them up there ...a Lorentz like force or something like that.

Prior to GPS we had a number of electronic navigation systems:  Decca, Loran, Omega, Transit.  Proof GPS Satellites Do Not Exist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf_bNnohDc)!

Gravock

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 02, 2016, 08:20:52 PM
So, you are now aware of "the ORDERS that run the world -- the REAL conspirators behind the conspiracies....". Fine, do you fight these ORDERS or are you an ardent follower?

Are you just believing in these ORDERS or are you actually doing something for or against them?

Greetings, Conrad

Yes, we're fighting these ORDERS by exposing them for what they are.

Ephesians 5:11

And have nothing to do with the unfruitful actions that darkness produces. Instead, expose them for what they are.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 02, 2016, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: Miles Higher
Almost everything is a bloody PsyOp for you.

That, unfortunately for the Good People of Planet
Earth, is how things have always been.

Apparently you've led a very sheltered life Miles
and have no experience with Politics, Military
Intelligence, The Agency, The Pentagon or the
Science of Mind Control.

Oh well, not to worry.  As we march along to
the tune of The AGENDA you'll eventually begin
to SEE how Nothing is as it Seems.  We're all
being played in the Game of the Great Chessboard.

Enjoy the Bliss of your Ignorance for a time longer.

What is coming has already begun.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 03, 2016, 12:29:38 AM
Prior to GPS we had a number of electronic navigation systems:  Decca, Loran, Omega, Transit.  Proof GPS Satellites Do Not Exist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf_bNnohDc)!
...but does that mean that all satellites do not exist?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 03, 2016, 12:46:46 AM
For Miles and any others who may be interested:

Some of us have been inside the Beast and have
knowledge of its various "programs." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_P5KWSXZF4)

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Dog-One on May 03, 2016, 02:58:49 AM
What is coming has already begun.

Best one-liner I have heard in a long time.  Especially
when you say it with a deep voice.

 ;)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 07:01:08 AM
...but does that mean that all satellites do not exist?

Yes, unless they've found a way to hang/mount the satellites on the firmament/dome (probably unlikely).  Ground based antennas placed on the exceedingly high mountain in the North (Polaris) could also mimic a satellite (probably unlikely).  They've been unsuccessfully trying to breach this glass-like dome for a long time.  The true purpose of Cern is to breach the glass dome so they may ascend into the heavens.  Cern has failed to breach the firmament, thus it's being used as a weapon against humanity and all life forms contained within the firmament.  Cern is the modern day equivalent of the "tower of babel". 

What makes you think all of the other satellites are real when the GPS is a fraud?

Enoch 14:2

2And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven. I have written your petition; and in my vision it has been shown me, that what you request will not be granted you as long as the world endures.  3Judgment has been passed upon you: your request will not be granted you.  4From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He has said, that on the earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 07:41:55 AM
Yes, unless they've found a way to hang/mount the satellites on the firmament/dome (probably unlikely).  Ground based antennas placed on the exceedingly high mountain in the North (Polaris) could also mimic a satellite (probably unlikely).  They've been unsuccessfully trying to breach this glass-like dome for a long time.  The true purpose of Cern is to breach the glass dome so they may ascend into the heavens.  Cern is the modern day equivalent of the "tower of babel". 

What makes you think all of the other satellites are real when the GPS is a fraud?

Enoch 14:2

2And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven. I have written your petition; and in my vision it has been shown me, that what you request will not be granted you as long as the world endures.  3Judgment has been passed upon you: your request will not be granted you.  4From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He has said, that on the earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures.

Gravock

Planes CRASH into "Invisible Shield" of Flat Earth's Dome Firmament in Antartica (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtybmBcSfLE&list=PLt36ZcQGl6srYBAp6GUf3vWHi7YzuaerY) (video playlist)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 07:58:13 AM
Planes CRASH into "Invisible Shield" of Flat Earth's Dome Firmament in Antartica (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtybmBcSfLE&list=PLt36ZcQGl6srYBAp6GUf3vWHi7YzuaerY) (video playlist)

Gravock

LiveLeak - United States Hydrogen Bomb Tests - Operation Dominic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OjfRb76Mfc)

The image and the text below is a comment by cassiya100:

"They called it nuclear bomb test but in actuality they were trying to blow a hole in the Firmament. question is why?
then you have operation fishbowl, why that name? Flat Earthers are scoring lots of points with their flat Earth theory, the Earth being flat and contained in a bowl (Firmament) and before you all start shooting me down, find out what the name Dominic means?? now add Dominic and Fishbowl, what do you get?"

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 08:03:49 AM
... find out what the name Dominic means?? now add Dominic and Fishbowl, what do you get?"


Gravock

Fishbowl +  Dominic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic) =  "The Fishbowl of the MASTER" / "The Fishbowl of our LORD" / "The Fishbowl belonging to GOD"!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 09:05:19 AM
For Miles and any others who may be interested:

Some of us have been inside the Beast and have
knowledge of its various "programs." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_P5KWSXZF4)

They can't breach the firmament/dome of this world to ascend into the heavens, so they're trying to destroy all life forms contained within it!  They can upload their consciousness into a synthetic brain with a synthetic body (http://overunity.com/13762/a-synthetic-world/msg369259/#msg369259) that is non-organic, thus ensuring only their survival.  500,000 people will be spared according to the Georgia Guide-stones as non-organic synthetic slaves for their own convenience and luxury.

It's time to take back what has been stolen from mankind!

Revelation 9:6  And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
They've been trying to figure out what this 'invisible domed shield' is made of so they may breach the firmament and ascend into the heavens.  The firmament is apparently made from the so-called "God Particle".  According to them, the God Particle is what gives matter it's mass.  However, it's the God Particle which the firmament is made of that keeps them from ascending into the heavens.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 03, 2016, 10:54:06 AM
What makes you think all of the other satellites are real when the GPS is a fraud?
I have several stationary parabolic antennas that point to space which seems to be always above the equator.  They work.

I have verified that the antennas are very directional and are even affected by the branches of an overgrown tree nearby, that appears to block signals from the "sky" in windy weather and when the branches are not trimmed.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 11:02:38 AM
I have several satellite antennas that point to space which seems to be above the equator.
I have verified that the antennas are very directional and are affected by the branches of an overgrown tree nearby, that appears to block signals from the "sky" in windy weather and when the branches are not trimmed.

You haven't been paying attention!  The firmament is like a mirror.  Electromagnetic waves (light) is reflected off the glass mirror-like domed structure and hits a ground based antenna.

Japanese scientists fire a 2 quadrillion-watt laser, the most powerful ever (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/japanese-scientists-fire-2-quadrillion-watt-laser-most-184952337.html)!

* Chicago's Soldier Field Glows Green (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jjH0MAS-Ac) at the same moment Japan fires this green laser (the Laser Bounces off the sky-dome and reflects light down onto Chicago's Soldier Field).

Did Japan just Prove to the World that our World is a Domed Flat Earth without realizing it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14-aK0mkZg)?

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on May 03, 2016, 11:30:35 AM
Yes, we're fighting these ORDERS by exposing them for what they are.

Ephesians 5:11

And have nothing to do with the unfruitful actions that darkness produces. Instead, expose them for what they are.

Gravock

I hope you can get rid of the demons riding you. Lithium seems to help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_(medication)

If you are just leading everyone on, it is sick too.

Any way, words will not stop you. You have won the fools contest.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 11:56:52 AM
I hope you can get rid of the demons riding you. Lithium seems to help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_(medication (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_(medication))

If you are just leading everyone on, it is sick too.

Any way, words will not stop you. You have won the fools contest.

Greetings, Conrad

I'll wait until you have time to catch up with the rest of the thread to see if you still feel the same way.  You're a few pages behind according to the post you quoted from me.  If you still believe the way you currently do after catching up, then there's no hope for you, for you have a reprobate mind.  In other words, you have been pre-destined to damnation because you are the product of the fallen ones.  You came from a bad unhealthy seed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/04/26/bright-flash-of-light-marks-incredible-moment-life-begins-when-s/) that was damaged by the fallen ones who abandoned their own natural dwelling place in heaven and mingled with the daughters of men.  There's no light in you just as we find at the moment of conception with a bad seed.  The seed at the top middle (see image below), with no light at the moment of conception is a good match for you.

Romans 1:28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 12:12:39 PM

Citation from the article: "An explosion of tiny sparks erupts from the egg at the exact moment of conception."


I have no problem with that statement and it is an interesting discovery.




Citation from the article: "Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins when sperm meets egg."


This title or sentence is not correct, because sperm and egg are already alive, no new life begins. Two live entities merge to form a single live entity.


When does life begin? Life began when the first live entity (may be a small group of molecules able to reproduce) appeared on earth. And from this moment on life propagated itself by dividing or separating a small already alive part from itself.


So, life began aeons ago (on earth or it came to earth) and then spread and diversified by reproduction. Reproduction is not the beginning of a new life it is the perpetuation of life.


Somehow life was created a long long time ago (on earth or elsewhere, multiple times or only once) and then it never stopped. Life renews itself in the offspring and diversifies by producing offspring slightly different from the parent or parents.


Till now nobody could create a living thing (cell, animal, plant, thread of molecules which is alive) from non living parts (molecules or atoms). Gene manipulation happens in cells which are already alive, taken from alive entities. And the "flash of light" reported in the article is cause by already alive entities (the alive sperm and the alive egg).


Greetings, Conrad

I see you know a reprobate mystery, which is no longer a mystery that it once was.  I have pity for you.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 03, 2016, 12:54:56 PM
Look at what the Pope has around his arm in the image below (rotate the image 90 degrees to the right).  Isn't that a variation of the image you just posted?  ROFLMAO!  Is the pope and the masons flat earthers?  Maybe the masons are behind the organized PYSOPS.

SeaMonkey,

It's the Holy Spirit that's behind the 'so-called' well organized 'PysOp'!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 03, 2016, 04:19:00 PM
You haven't been paying attention!  The firmament is like a mirror.  Electromagnetic waves (light) is reflected off the glass mirror-like domed structure and hits a ground based antenna.
but if the electromagnetic waves ares reflected so, then their angle of incidence = angle of reflection and many receivers could not receive the same ground transmitter when looking up at different angles (from different geographic locations, latitudes, longitudes and altitudes).
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 03, 2016, 08:13:24 PM
Quote from: Gravity Block
It's the Holy Spirit that's behind the 'so-called' well organized 'PysOp'!

More likely it is the work of The Adversary.

The Father of the Lie is very skillful at pretending to be
an Angel of Light.  Those who have been in his presence
report that he exudes intense feelings of "love" and "serenity."

Many are being deceived.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tak22 on May 03, 2016, 09:24:05 PM
Flat or round? For sure if proven flat then 'the world would change', that goes without saying.

How can one travel 'true level' without using an altimeter? If you flew a plane truely level, and the earth is flat, then the altimeter would never show a change in altitude, while a round earth would ...

Maybe fly at night and sight on a star? I don't know the subject well enough or care to research this thought experiment.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 03, 2016, 10:04:24 PM
Flat or round? For sure if proven flat then 'the world would change', that goes without saying.

How can one travel 'true level' without using an altimeter? If you flew a plane truely level, and the earth is flat, then the altimeter would never show a change in altitude, while a round earth would ...

Maybe fly at night and sight on a star? I don't know the subject well enough or care to research this thought experiment.

A plane does not fly level as much as it maintains a given altitude based upon the engine's power setting.  So, the engine is working against gravity as is the left generated by the wings.  Therefore, it maintains this height above the earth even if flying around the world.  It will continue to do this unless one or more of the parameters change.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 03, 2016, 10:13:53 PM
Hi folks, nice job gravityblock, keep it coming.
I have made some observations and it does appear the water level is flat on earth, though it's probably more like a concave circular disk, with a large ice ring wall around the perimeter.
In fact, there are a few casinos in illinois, that have this very geometry in large size, hanging upside down from the ceilings.
I think the message is, the truth is turned upside down.
peace love light
Edit: oh and a movie theater has this same geometry on the celing, very large and upside down and lighted with blue lights, someones aware, whoever designed that theater.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: DR.WHO on May 04, 2016, 06:57:34 AM
This test in the attached video proves FLAT EARTH ...https://youtu.be/deoLBQTtXJw  The detail of the mathematics is very simple and states that a gyroscope should create an opposing effect of inertia to the vector spin of the earth spin.  This is mu view of simplifying the evidence  .  I like simple facts as my time is limited to just sit here and bang the flat earth drum but the test in this video is very important.

What you must except is only science and the rules of science do not determine that you need anything but the truth ! You dont have to be a scientist but when delivering truth its becomes science as all truth is demonstrable repeatable and confirms its self as reality and true.

I dont like typing in fact I hate it as my mind is so fast yet my fingers just can not keep up with my thoughts that errors happen and  often I just dont bother to change them so forgive me if MY SPELLING IS IN ERROR ECT ECT I DONT GIVE A DAM but sometimes I do !

To them that keep attacking me for presenting truth and factual evidence and who all are just waisted paper heads , shut up and go play with an open pint of super glue and than try and eat a rhino sitting in a pond full of alligators !

When it comes to truth you dont get much better than honesty and when you see this video you will have to question the mathematics of the geological function of a planet ! You who think that what you see is in fact all there is to see are blind to the truth and you are required also to shut up unless you learn to add up al the facts.

This is not about religion or academic brain washed logics or observations presented on a screen but it is about quantum mechanics and all modern front line of thought agrees that reality is a system of probabilities and anything is possible ! This includes that possibility that the earth is flat even if we observe it to be round ! You are now to be tested and logic here is to be extended and the fundamental balance must include all the information that is not in question like the test results of the attached video. 

To the OU admin ! I am a man who walks this earth with equal rights as any other man I advise you not to keep braking my human rights in any way even if the lies and creepy little minds of envy crawl through the under growth and so-round you with there complaints ... I have never been beaten when it comes to reality and truth of fact over fiction and have contributed more than most ... 

But to the point here I must say only that there is a challenge of perception over reality and I will state that there is another force in balance with the force we know as gravity and time over space as only one part of yet another function that is also in balance with zero time and zero space . We are in fact inside the largest black hole in the universe and you must except that in this we will from time to time meet the unexpected and it will challenge our reality .

To this and to all, if this post is posted than I have a special surprise for you its called a quantum computer a real one that you can have on your lap top for free and it requires only that the earth is flat and time and space is balanced and set to a neutral position or it wont work .

Welcome to the laws of the second dimensional plane  for with out it the world would not be round hahaha lolx
   
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Here2njoy on May 04, 2016, 05:55:50 PM
Here is an interesting video called "the Big Bounce"... Dome perhaps....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ08CHvAaQE  You decide....
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: CANGAS on May 05, 2016, 11:53:42 AM
A plane does not fly level as much as it maintains a given altitude based upon the engine's power setting.  So, the engine is working against gravity as is the left generated by the wings.  Therefore, it maintains this height above the earth even if flying around the world.  It will continue to do this unless one or more of the parameters change.

Bill

A bit of good sense in this desert. Bless you, Pi.

The wing automatically makes lift depending on the the density of the air it is in. And, that lift varies as the airspeed varies. So, if the power setting is left constant, the lift gets bigger if the wing goes into denser air, and, the lift gets smaller if the wing goes into thinner air.

The density of the air is governed by the strength of gravity, whether the source of gravity is the flat plane or the spherical globe. The strength of gravity varies with the altitude above the ground (not exactly, but it makes little difference). 

So, the plane as a whole will pretty much automatically hold the same altitude above the ground in "normal" conditions. That is, with no "touches" on the controls needed.

CANGAS 231
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 12:47:37 PM
Flat Earth: Southern "Hemisphere" Constellations Explained (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POPkDPh8jv8)

For each 360 degrees the sun-moon system rotates (one 24 hour day/night) the stars rotate 359 degrees. Over a year this causes the constellations all to have their turn in the day and night part of the sky.  One degree difference per day adds up to one full revolution over a year, this model having 360 day years (12 x 30 day lunar month) just as the ancients used.  360 degrees in a circle and not 365.25.

Sun-Moon Flat Earth Astrolabe Android App (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aarondover.yinyangapp&pageId=106176790510047657174)

Below is a description of the app and a snapshot:

"This is a version of my Yin Yang Radial Oscillator model which lets you choose a date and time by tapping the screen, and it will show you the sun and moon positions relative to stars and Earth. The yin yang shows areas of night and day. So you can check where and when the sun will rise and set, and see which constellations are visible and where. The red dot shows the centre point of the moon and sun. It also shows world cities with populations >1m and which is nearest to sun and moon. You can toggle all the plates (Earth, stars, cities) on and off as well as whether the display is static or animated by a clock. Now also includes a Moon Compass and daylength calculated from the model time and your latitude if you (optionally) allow GPS permissions. The app does not account for your time zone presently... but you can correct for this manually for now :)"

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 12:57:51 PM
Here is an interesting video called "the Big Bounce"... Dome perhaps....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ08CHvAaQE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ08CHvAaQE)  You decide....

The youtube account for the link has been terminated.  Makes you wonder if the ballers are following the reference links.  I know they wish to remain willfully ignorant, so this doesn't surprise me.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 02:36:42 PM
Flat Earth ( Sharp Witted ) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5wofGJ1wM0#t=3111.172704)

The Truth is the new hate speech!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tak22 on May 05, 2016, 05:38:12 PM

The density of the air is governed by the strength of gravity, whether the source of gravity is the flat plane or the spherical globe. The strength of gravity varies with the altitude above the ground (not exactly, but it makes little difference). 

So, the plane as a whole will pretty much automatically hold the same altitude above the ground in "normal" conditions. That is, with no "touches" on the controls needed.



Thanks Bill and CANGAS for the information on how a plane maintains level flight. My suggested experiment was to ignore "normal" conditions and fly the plane on a 'level' trajectory while compensating for the influence of gravity and air pressure. I don't know how the pilot would do this, sight on a star at night?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 07:32:21 PM

Thanks Bill and CANGAS for the information on how a plane maintains level flight. My suggested experiment was to ignore "normal" conditions and fly the plane on a 'level' trajectory while compensating for the influence of gravity and air pressure. I don't know how the pilot would do this, sight on a star at night?

If a plane is traveling 500 mph, the earth is falling away at a rate of 2,775 feet per minute, in a globe model. If autopilot is off, the pilot must reduce altitude by 2,775 feet per minute or 46 feet per second to maintain 35,000 feet.  A 46 feet per second drop would be noticeable to the passengers. The theory that somehow gravity miraculously keeps the plane in a sort of auto orbit with the atmosphere is preposterous. The plane is not traveling with an atmosphere locked into the earth's 1000 miles per hour rotation. If so, how then can it easily land and also adjust to the angle of the axis? Impossible!

If a plane is cleared to maintain 35,000 feet, by regulations, the pilot must maintain that level based on a standard barometric pressure setting (29.92 inHg or 1013 millibars)   Hence it would stay at that altitude (FL350) because the pilot is either controlling the plane manually or has engaged the autopilot to achieve that.

There are two basic instruments that enable this procedure - an altimeter and a vertical speed indicator (VSI). The VSI provides short term changes in pressure and indicates whether the plane is climbing or descending. These changes will give an indication to the pilot so that he would level the plane to maintain 35,000 feet. He will adjust the controls very slightly by use of the elevator and trims. This can be performed automatically by the autopilot as well. As such, the flight controls are constantly moving very subtly to maintain the correct attitude, thus the earth must be flat.

The truth is no pilot will admit to what he sees with his own eyes that the earth is actually flat for fear of being sacked instantaneously as many whistle blowers will testify too.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 05, 2016, 08:34:09 PM
The wings are not level with the horizon, that artificial horizon gauge shows a bank to the right...sheesh.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 08:42:09 PM
The wings are not level with the horizon, that artificial horizon gauge shows a bank to the right...sheesh.

Bill

A horizon indicator is how a planes fly level and maintains a certain altitude above sea level.  I can find you an image of a horizon indicator which shows the wings are 100% level with the horizon, instead of 99.98%, if you like.  Is that necessary?  Will that change anything?  Of course not!  You made a poor argument as usual, so get over it and stop balling!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 05, 2016, 09:31:38 PM
This sort of reminds me of the "Intelligent Design" people that believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, including the dinosaurs.

There is scene in The Sopranos where Tony says, "Like the Flintstones?"
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 05, 2016, 09:40:06 PM
This sort of reminds me of the "Intelligent Design" people that believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, including the dinosaurs.

There is scene in The Sopranos where Tony says, "Like the Flintstones?"

Is this proof for a flat earth or a spherical globe?  No, so your post is spam and you're trolling!  If you want to start a thread on the above, then be my guest.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 05, 2016, 10:03:58 PM
A horizon indicator is how a planes fly level and maintains a certain altitude above sea level.  I can find you an image of a horizon indicator which shows the wings are 100% level with the horizon, instead of 99.98%, if you like.  Is that necessary?  Will that change anything?  Of course not!  You made a poor argument as usual, so get over it and stop balling!

Gravock

Well, it is only that you called that gauge by the wrong name and then were not accurate about what the gauge was reading...and how it is used in flight by pilots...other than that...


Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 02:36:15 AM
Well, it is only that you called that gauge by the wrong name and then were not accurate about what the gauge was reading...and how it is used in flight by pilots...other than that...


Bill

I didn't call the gauge by the wrong name!  It's known as an attitude indicator (AI), a gyro horizon, horizon indicator, artificial horizon, or an attitude director indicator.  What the gauge was reading and how it's used in flight by pilots was a snapshot taken from wikipedia.  The wings were a hair line away from being 100% level with the horizon, so don't get your panties all in a knot.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 03:40:11 AM
A bit of good sense in this desert. Bless you, Pi.

The wing automatically makes lift depending on the the density of the air it is in. And, that lift varies as the airspeed varies. So, if the power setting is left constant, the lift gets bigger if the wing goes into denser air, and, the lift gets smaller if the wing goes into thinner air.

The density of the air is governed by the strength of gravity, whether the source of gravity is the flat plane or the spherical globe. The strength of gravity varies with the altitude above the ground (not exactly, but it makes little difference). 

So, the plane as a whole will pretty much automatically hold the same altitude above the ground in "normal" conditions. That is, with no "touches" on the controls needed.

CANGAS 231

Flat Earth | All Meat & No Potatoes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbjFoA8sJQ)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Modern-Messenger on May 06, 2016, 03:41:43 AM
I always get flak when trying to discuss this subject. Whether from Status Quo, Dis-Informants, Information-Suppressors, the Brain-Washed Materialists, College-Indoctrinated Self-Righteous Graduates, etc. The content gets ignored, dogmatic minds choose vitriol against character rather than merits of evidence/analysis, believers of so-called modern-day science react like dogmatic religious fundamentalists instead of genuine researchers/scientists, etc. With that having been said/typed/written...
Please participate in the poll.  Users are allowed to change their vote at any time!

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American people believe is false" - William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981).

Flat earthers (FE) and ballers, present your evidence and prepare your rebuttals.

Gravock
...I have to throw forth a few questions and my reasons for the following questions (hey this glow-effect is pretty cool)...

Question : Why are the Poll-Questions limited into polemic-style options ?
Reason For Question : I have looked into Flat-Earth Evidence/Theory for a significant amount of time and, upon double-checking over all information on many sides of the fences, I have reason to believe that there can be validity to both, perhaps for reasons that are not yet understood, such as a trait/principle/undiscovered aspect of Quantum-Physics that allows for both to be true simultaneously (instead of only one or the other for reasons, like I mentioned, that may not yet be understood).

Oups, I was sure I had other questions beyond that, but those will probably be answered or become apparent with any responses I get.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2016, 03:45:29 AM
I didn't call the gauge by the wrong name!  It's known as an attitude indicator (AI), a gyro horizon, horizon indicator, artificial horizon, or an attitude director indicator.  What the gauge was reading and how it's used in flight by pilots was a snapshot taken from wikipedia.  The wings were a hair line away from being 100% level with the horizon, so don't get your panties all in a knot.

Gravock

Wow, you came up with 6 names for the same gauge.  I think that might be confusing for pilots which is why they only use one name...the correct one.  Oh, and that "hairline away" as you call it could make quite a difference depending upon the speed that the aircraft is traveling.  A few degrees at a high enough speed can rip your wings off...but, hey...let's not worry about being accurate.  You sure have not done so thus far.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 05:43:22 AM
Wow, you came up with 6 names for the same gauge.  I think that might be confusing for pilots which is why they only use one name...the correct one.  Oh, and that "hairline away" as you call it could make quite a difference depending upon the speed that the aircraft is traveling.  A few degrees at a high enough speed can rip your wings off...but, hey...let's not worry about being accurate.  You sure have not done so thus far.

Bill

A hairline away isn't a few degrees.  It's more like 0.2 - 0.4 degrees probably due to a small turbulence encountered by the aircraft, and you talk about being accurate.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Farmhand on May 06, 2016, 06:19:07 AM
Flat Earth | All Meat & No Potatoes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbjFoA8sJQ)

Gravock

Guy shoots himself in the foot when he begins to talk about atmospheric effects when viewing things at a distance and alludes to the effects not being able to account for the ability to see an object over the horizon but then goes on to say that atmospheric effects can cause a ship to appear upside down and so forth.

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Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 06:54:00 AM
Guy shoots himself in the foot when he begins to talk about atmospheric effects when viewing things at a distance and alludes to the effects not being able to account for the ability to see an object over the horizon but then goes on to say that atmospheric effects can cause a ship to appear upside down and so forth.

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I'll give you a little bit of time to wrap your mind around what he was saying before I give you my input.  Do some critical thinking Farmhand!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 07:06:32 AM
Well isn't that interesting because a rocket goes straight up and within a few minutes is mostly flying horizontal to get into space.  That supports the spherical Earth.

No, the rocket flying mostly horizontal within a few minutes over a flat earth while dropping the fuel tank is evidence for it getting ready to return back to the ground.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 09:12:13 AM
Heliocentric model debunked with evidence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lX-ZslGYrk)!

The continuation of looking at the terminator line advancement on the earth absolutely shows with 100% certainty that the heliocentric model can not be true. There is no way with the current science model to "advance" the terminator line for one half of the earth and not the other in the current heliocentric model.

The time and date map doesn't match the globe. It matches flat earth and the Yin Yang Radial Oscillator Model as previously posted.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 10:47:36 AM
but if the electromagnetic waves ares reflected so, then their angle of incidence = angle of reflection and many receivers could not receive the same ground transmitter when looking up at different angles (from different geographic locations, latitudes, longitudes and altitudes).

Look at how much the 2 quadrillion watt laser light dispersed over Chicago's Soldier Field and beyond after bouncing off the firmament.  Dish Network transmits their signal at less than 500 watts per channel (http://dishuser.org/satellites.php), so the much weaker signal will be dispersed over a much wider area than the 2 quadrillion watt laser.  The parabolic dish concentrates this very weak signal at the focal point where the LNB is located to increase the signal.  The larger the parabolic dish, the higher the signal strength will be.  This is how many receivers looking up at different angles can receive the same ground transmitter.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 06, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
Look at how much the 2 quadrillion watt laser light dispersed over Chicago's Soldier Field and beyond after bouncing off the firmament.
The laser light was emitted for how long?
How long did the glow over the Chicago's Soldier Field last ?

Also do you mean that the angle of laser's incidence <> angle of its reflection ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 11:29:13 AM
The laser light was fired for how long?
How long did the glow over the Chicago's Soldier Field last ?

Also do you mean that the angle of laser's incidence <> angle of its reflection ?

The angle of the reflected signal is the same as the angle in which the signal is being transmitted by the virtual satellite, so what's the problem?  In the Northern States, the dish will be pointing at a lower angle, and in the Southern States, the dish will be pointing at a higher angle.  On the west coast, the dish will be pointed more towards the east, and on the east coast, the dish will be pointed more towards the west.  The duration of the laser light that was fired is irrelevant.  If it was longer than the glow in Chicago, then whose to say the laser remained in the exact same position.  If it was shorter than the recorded glow in Chicago, then whose to say the firmament didn't absorb and release the energy at a slower rate due to it's high energy levels.  I know, that may sound absurd, but we really know nothing about the "God Particle" that makes up the invisible glass-mirror like structure that is above us.  Watch those so-called nucleaur bomb tests.  It does appear that it absorbs some of the energy as the energy is pushed out radially.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 06, 2016, 12:21:15 PM
Verpies,

The two main virtual satellites for Dish Network is 110ow and 119ow.  The angle of incidence will be 110oe and 119oe.  The meridian 110 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_meridian_east)° east and 119o east of Greenwich is a line of longitude that extends from the North Pole across the Arctic Ocean, Asia, the Indian Ocean, the Southern Ocean, and Antarctica to the South Pole.  The North Pole is where the ground based antennas are located, and Antarctica is where the edge of the firmament dome is located that reflects the signal across the States.  As you can see, the angle of incidence = the angle of reflection which is 110 and 119 respectively!  This is absolute proof there's no satellites orbiting the earth and absolute proof the earth is a flat round disk with a dome!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: picowatt on May 06, 2016, 03:14:20 PM
Look at how much the 2 quadrillion watt laser light dispersed over Chicago's Soldier Field and beyond after bouncing off the firmament.

The pulse length of the 2 petawatt output recently achieved by Japan's LFEX laser was less than 2 picoseconds.   The amount of energy contained in that very brief 2 petawatt laser pulse was less than the energy contained in a hot cup of coffee.

Even if a human eye could detect a very brief 2 picosecond pulse, the output of the laser was in the infrared wavelengths and not visible to the human eye.  Moreover, at no time did the laser beam ever leave the confines of the laboratory.  It is aimed at targets within the laboratory complex, not out into the open sky.

Japan's LFEX laser is fired fairly often for ongoing experiments.  These types of lasers are in use in several countries throughout the world, including the US.  Their very short pulse lengths allow them to claim incredible power outputs when in reality the actual energy emitted is relatively low. 

These are not military weapon type lasers...


Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 06, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
Hi folks, Hi gravityblock, thanks again for giving your time and energy to share.
What if the dome above, is not made of the typical matter that we know of.
I recall a story about a man going to a plastic sheet manufacture plant and in one area where he stood, there was a barrier that he could not penetrate his body through.
To a very advanced creator of worlds, i wouldn't think it would be difficult to use something like this and add additional properties to it, to create a protective dome over a world.
peace love light
and try and play nice with each other in the sandbox.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2016, 08:29:48 PM
So then, how did Voyager get past this "dome" in order to explore deep space?  How did the Apollo mission ever get to the moon...unless you are claiming that this dome encases all of the planets as well? (Pretty big dome)

How do we get radio frequencies that originate in deep space?  They could never get through your dome.  Or, is there someone controlling a trap door to this dome and they open and close it to allow space craft to pass?  If so...then who is this person?

I think you guys are confused with a planetarium which actually does have a dome ceiling.  Next time you go to one, I would suggest not doing acid...it appears to be messing with your perceptions of reality.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Turbo on May 06, 2016, 08:41:34 PM
Well pirate i do not believe in the dome... but i do know Apollo never went to the moon.

"Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement"

Plenty of evidence around if you look for it.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Here2njoy on May 06, 2016, 08:59:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGeeiCY2wAM

ODD TV.... Made in a Hollywood basement.....
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2016, 10:14:39 PM
Well pirate i do not believe in the dome... but i do know Apollo never went to the moon.

"Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement"

Plenty of evidence around if you look for it.

Ummm...we totally went to the moon.  My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects.  It was a brilliant feat of engineering that got us there.  If you really think we did not go, you need to do a lot more reading.  We also made parts for the Space Shuttle and, I have parts that I helped design and machine that are on Mars as we speak.

Just the flag alone, which is pointed out as "evidence" we did not go, took months to design so that it met the weight restriction requirements and still functioned like a flag.  The top of the flag had a telescoping rod going through it (like a car antenna of old) which held it out because there is no wind on the moon.  That brilliant design by a single engineer is now used by ignorant folks that know nothing about how hard it was to design this, as "proof" we were not there.

I blame our very poor education system.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Farmhand on May 07, 2016, 02:43:09 AM
The Truman Show was not a documentary. 

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Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Turbo on May 07, 2016, 08:25:45 AM
Ummm...we totally went to the moon.  My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects.  It was a brilliant feat of engineering that got us there.  If you really think we did not go, you need to do a lot more reading.  We also made parts for the Space Shuttle and, I have parts that I helped design and machine that are on Mars as we speak.

Just the flag alone, which is pointed out as "evidence" we did not go, took months to design so that it met the weight restriction requirements and still functioned like a flag.  The top of the flag had a telescoping rod going through it (like a car antenna of old) which held it out because there is no wind on the moon.  That brilliant design by a single engineer is now used by ignorant folks that know nothing about how hard it was to design this, as "proof" we were not there.

I blame our very poor education system.

Bill

It's the exact opposite !!
I read too little and was a believer, but then i encountered people telling me it was all staged and i started reading more !!
And then the evidence piled up!
It's crystal clear actually.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 07, 2016, 09:00:00 AM
It's the exact opposite !!
I read too little and was a believer, but then i encountered people telling me it was all staged and i started reading more !!
And then the evidence piled up!
It's crystal clear actually.

So, how did we do the laser test by bouncing a laser off of a mirror placed on the moon by the Apollo Astronauts?  What about the seismic readings we get from the equipment they left there?  You should read real books on this subject written by the folks that were there.  Have you ever touched a moon rock?  I have.  How can this be if the Apollo guys never went there? 

I guess all of the other equipment left behind on the moon which can be seen, and photographed, is not really there?  Come on man, do some real research...read a book.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2016, 11:40:46 AM
Bill, it's useless to argue with these flat-earther, moon-landing denier people. Just look at the various threads. All data that you can cite in your attempts to prove that landings took place and that the Earth is a big ball are _made up_, they are lies, perpetrated by a grand conspiracy that involves hundreds of thousands of people all over the flat planet. Even you and I are part of this conspiracy! And all the "data" and "evidence" that they present, that you and I know are just misinterpretations and special pleadings and outright wrong, are the gospel truth that prove the Earth is flat and the landings were hoaxed!
 
SpaceX, JAXA.... all hoaxes! Hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of people all participating in the same huge hoax, just to make us believe that the Earth is a globe!

Have you gotten your paycheck yet?


Facepalm ROFL ! It's useless to argue with someone who believes that all your evidence is made up of lies and who won't do basic research on their own, all you can do is mock their ignorance and foolishness. Ever tried arguing with a Jehova's Witness or a young-earth creationist? Same thing.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 07, 2016, 12:58:20 PM
It's useless to argue with these flat-earther, moon-landing denier people.
Maybe it is but it is due diligence for a scientist to discuss and consider arguments for and against even the most far-out ideas.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 07, 2016, 01:12:00 PM
Ummm...we totally went to the moon.  My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects.
Just because the parts were machined, rocket built and the flag made and the rocket took off the ground does not mean that it landed on the moon.  There was even a movie about this scenario titled "Capricorn One".
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: ramset on May 07, 2016, 01:47:15 PM
Evidence ?

Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?

the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .

as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .

@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space  programs .

Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!

@ Farmhand
that was funny ...

 
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2016, 02:26:46 PM
Maybe it is but it is due diligence for a scientist to discuss and consider arguments for and against even the most far-out ideas.
Sure, when you are discussing things with rational people. But in this case there is no discussion, because the people the real scientists are talking with are simply denying the validity and truth of all evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived notions. You can cite whatever evidence you like and the flat-earthers will just tell you that the evidence is faked. How is that a "discussion"? And on the other side, you have the flat-earthers citing "evidence" for their views that is so bad and mistaken and simply false that it's not even funny any more.

How does a computerized telescope mount find and track objects in space, if the Earth is flat and the objects are closer than astronomers claim? Why, the algorithm is faked, of course! And hundreds of different makes of computerized scope mounts all use different FAKED algorithms! And all astronomy college courses worldwide teach their students fake (but somehow consistent) information and when the students calculate orbits and positions of objects in space... all of that is lies and fakery based on the fake math they learn in class! What did SpaceX just launch in to geostationary orbit 25 thousand miles high? Why, nothing... the launch was faked, the satellite is fake! What is that which can be seen in photos of the moon at the Apollo landing sites? Nothing, NASA faked the photos, the moon is a hologram! Why do artillery shells respond to the Coriolis effect which has to be corrected for if the gunners want to hit their targets? They don't, the aiming algorithm is faked! How do all those Foucault pendulums at different latitudes work? They have little motors at the suspension point, all programmed secretly to adjust the swing for the latitude of the installation! How does an airplane maintain a constant altitude over the ground if the Earth is a globe, it should get higher and higher as the Earth surface falls away, right?  Why does a cyclone spin the "wrong way" off the coast of Yemen... since Yemen is in the Southern "hemisphere"?  And on and on....

Seriously, how can you have a rational discussion when people on the other side of the "argument" tell you things like this?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
Evidence ?

Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?

the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .

as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .

@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space  programs .

Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!

@ Farmhand
that was funny ...

Chet, it means nothing to "SEE" anything with your own eyes either! I've seen a lady being sawed in half on stage, then emerging intact from the box afterwards. Hundreds of people have seen with their own eyes the Statue of Liberty being vanished by David Copperfield (and you can "see" him doing it on YouTube). If someone wants to Fake almost anything and is willing to spend the time and money to do it, it can be done. Don't you know... "they" operate drones that sit in the optical path of every telescope on Earth so that the astronomers looking through them will only see what "they" want you to see. Or maybe they project holograms from secret locations that mimic objects in space, just to fool you into thinking the Earth isn't flat.

No telescope located on Earth has the resolution necessary to "SEE" directly the tiny footprints or tiretracks or debris left behind on the Moon, so we have to rely on photos from satellites like LRO and its high-resolution cameras -- that the deniers claim are faked, even as the photos continue to come in from the LROC. You'll just have to take the words of the Astronauts who went there and walked and drove around on the lunar surface that they actually did it. Are you calling people like Neil Armstrong and Ed Mitchell liars? Of course they are liars, right ... along with the hundreds of thousands or even millions of other people all who would have to be "in" on the deception to make it work, along with the impossible technology that it would take to fake all the evidence for a globe Earth and the moon landings and all the rest, like Cassini at Saturn, the asteroid and comet missions, and so on. 

Meanwhile any amateur scientist worthy of the name can conduct valid experiments on her own that _prove_ that we are on a spinning, globular planet, and can make observations of objects in space that _prove_ that they are distant and move on paths that are consistent with conventional astronomy. The whole "flat earth" thing is a delusion, and a badly inconsistent and nonsensical one at that. What the flat-earthers fail to provide is some logical _reason_ for all this fakery. It's a religion, depending on faith in nonsense and the denial of the reality of _all_ contrary evidence.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 07, 2016, 04:39:01 PM
TK:

Here is one of the bigger hoaxes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq02C_3FvFo

All of that CGI and the remote clandestine detonations of dynamite are pretty impressive.  Or perhaps the great giant sky man-thing was smoking and he flicked his cigarette and some ash and a hot ember punched its way through the skin of the dome or something.  All I know is that he/she/it better not sneeze when looking at us up close because that would be Armageddon.  He spilled some of his glass of water on us a long time ago and you know what happened then.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on May 07, 2016, 05:33:13 PM
Evidence ?



as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .

@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space  programs .

Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!

@ Farmhand
that was funny ...

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Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?

the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .

No,not one clear picture-unless you call some white dots on a !so called! HD picture proof.

It is odd that we can send very clear pictures all the way from mars to earth,and spend the money to do so,but cannot !in anyway! gain access to such clear pictures of the !left behinds! on the moon. Even NASA scientist them self have stated that they still have to work out how to get man safely through the Van Allan belt's--a slip up there i expect.

The only evidence available that man went to the moon,is of course from NASA.
The chinese -along with a couple of other countries,have landed lunar rovers on the moon,and still,not one clear shot of any of the left overs from the Apollo missions-not one.

We can take a picture of a guy taking a leak in his back yard from over 400 miles up--through the atmosphere mind you,but not one clear picture from the LRO at just 25 mile up from the moons surface with not atmosphere to contend with either :o

No man since the !!Apollo!! missions has been anywhere near the Van Allan belts-wonder why that is?.
No man has been back to the moon since the !!Apollo!! missions-wonder why that is?.
No clear pictures of any of the equipment left behind on the moon,by any country-wonder why that is?.

I guess !some! of us will believe anything the government tells us,as the truth would just hurt to much ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXt6n33gOfo

Brad


Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: ramset on May 07, 2016, 05:43:54 PM
Brad
you know its really not that hard to get to Space these days , and the Moon isn't really that Far away ...

it won't be too long before somebody gets something in orbit at the moon .

someone like this maybe ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38&feature=youtu.be

at 3800 MPH it would not take long at all, and since the moon isn't spinning the rocket could just be sent to one of the locations where the Modules are and send back pics until it reaches its destination ??

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on May 07, 2016, 06:11:16 PM
Brad
you know its really not that hard to get to Space these days , and the Moon isn't really that Far away ...

it won't be too long before somebody gets something in orbit at the moon .

someone like this maybe ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38&feature=youtu.be

at 3800 MPH it would not take long at all, and since the moon isn't spinning the rocket could just be sent to one of the locations where the Modules are and send back pics until it reaches its destination ??

The American government will never allow another country thats not in the American governments pocket,or any private company to send a rocket to the moon to take pictures of the equipment left behind from the Apollo missions-never. Anyone that tries will find that there space craft will malfunction ,and explode before it gets there.

The moon landings are as believable as the 9/11 story. As an American,it may be hard to see,due to loving your country--blind is love some times. But from an outsiders point of view,you can clearly see that something is drastically wrong with the 9/11 story.

If you believe the 9/11 story,then you must also believe that the American defence force is the poorest in the world,when it claims to be the best. The department of Intelligence also seems not so intelligent.

I in no way believe in the !flat! earth theory,but i do laugh at some of the things people do believe--just because the government and media says thats how it is.

A well worth while video to watch.
But of course,the experts in this video will all be wrong,as we have better ones here ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xif0jIT_ZM

Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2016, 06:45:44 PM
Another "fake" event scheduled for Monday morning through mid-day in the Northern Hemisphere:
http://www.accuweather.com/en/features/trend/dig_out_the_binoculars_mercury_transit_to_occur_monday_where_when_to_see_it/57206396 (http://www.accuweather.com/en/features/trend/dig_out_the_binoculars_mercury_transit_to_occur_monday_where_when_to_see_it/57206396)
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Transits of Mercury have long helped astronomers since viewing the event for the first time in 1631. In addition to providing a better understanding of the planet's disk size and the distance between the Earth and sun, transits now allow NASA to test their spacecraft and calibrate their instruments (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/satellites-to-see-mercury-enter-spotlight-on-may-9).

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/satellites-to-see-mercury-enter-spotlight-on-may-9 (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/satellites-to-see-mercury-enter-spotlight-on-may-9)


An article from 2008 talking about satellites orbiting the moon at that time, including satellites from China, Japan, India, and Russia and of course USA:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/20feb_orbitingthemoon/ (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/20feb_orbitingthemoon/)

Of course.... all fake, right! Very clever of NASA to get all those other nations to be in on the hoax. Why, there must be billions of people who actually think that the Moon is really up in outer space and that humans send spacecraft there! What a bunch of fools!

A very detailed article about the Van Allen belts and the lunar spaceflights, including trajectory maps that show how the Apollo missions skirted most of the radiation zones going and coming back:
http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm (http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm)
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In fact, Dr. Van Allen helped to design the Apollo lunar trajectories, which were engineered specifically to lessen radiation exposure. Despite the conspiracists' insistence that Dr. Van Allen agrees with them, he has rejected the claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts, calling it "nonsense".
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No other spacefaring nation has expresses doubts about the ability to traverse translunar space, and they all acknowledge that Apollo succeeded in landing astronauts on the Moon. Furthermore, the United States is not the only nation to have sent living creatures to the Moon. In September 1968 the Soviet Union's Zond 5 became the first spacecraft to swing around the Moon and return to land on Earth. The mission was planned as a precursor to a manned lunar spacecraft. It carried a biological payload of two Russian tortoises, wine flies, meal worms, plants, seeds, bacteria, and other living matter. The biological payload was intact, proving that it was possible to survive a lunar flight and safely return to Earth. As a result of Zond 5, and Zond 7 in 1969, the Soviet Union concluded that, "seven-day flights along the trajectories of Zond-5 and 7 probes are safe from the radiation point of view."

Read on down through the math to the calculations of the radiation doses on the trajectories followed, and descriptions of the shielding the spacecraft afforded. And the article ends with the average readings from the actual dosimeters worn by the astronauts:
http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/pics/apollodose.gif


Of course... all this data is just a fabric of lies, isn't it, because you KNOW we never went to the moon and nothing will change your mind.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2016, 06:51:18 PM
Brad
you know its really not that hard to get to Space these days , and the Moon isn't really that Far away ...

it won't be too long before somebody gets something in orbit at the moon .

someone like this maybe ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38&feature=youtu.be)

at 3800 MPH it would not take long at all, and since the moon isn't spinning the rocket could just be sent to one of the locations where the Modules are and send back pics until it reaches its destination ??

235,000 miles / 3800 miles/hour = about 62 hours, about 2 1/2 days....
Apollo missions took about 3 days to get there, but of course they slowed down on arrival.....
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2016, 06:58:19 PM
And of course we all know that China is "in USA's pocket".... right.....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079)

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BEIJING, Feb. 6 (UPI) -- China says a full map of the moon captured by the orbiter Chang'e-2 is the
 highest-resolution image of the entirety of the moon's surface published to date. The full coverage moon map was compiled from images taken by a stereo camera on the orbiter from heights of 60 miles (7-meter resolution) and 9 miles (1.4-meter resolution)  over the lunar surface between October 2010 and May 2011, Liu Dongkui, deputy chief commander of China's lunar probe project, said.
 
 The resolution in the images can show features as small as 23 feet (7 meters) across, China's state-run news agency Xinhua reported Monday.
 
 Traces of previous U.S. Apollo missions were visible in the images, Yan Jun, chief application scientist for China's lunar exploration project, said.



 
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on May 07, 2016, 07:15:29 PM


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079)

Well first off,i would like to see these high res pictures TK.

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And of course we all know that China is "in USA's pocket".... right.....

Well,i dont know--what do you think?

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html


Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 07, 2016, 07:36:18 PM
Thanks TK.  I knew an orbiter had taken photos like this but could not remember where I had read it.

How do we explain the moon rocks?  Did they get picked up by a robot lander or something?  Or, is that some sort of mass conspiracy where thousands more people are all telling the same lie?  What about Al Shepard's golf ball?  If man did not ever reach the moon, then who hit that golf ball?  (actually, 2 of them) 

Just like Einstein said: "God does not play dice".  I say: "Aliens do not play golf."  Al never reached the green because there is no greens on the moon...only brown's.  We have only his word as to how far his ball actually went..."Miles and miles and miles."  That golf shot could have never been faked in a Hollywood studio as it went waaaay too far for any sound stage that existed at that time.  Come on, I mean for a studio to be able to have a golf ball go miles and miles and miles...it would have to be huge.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 07, 2016, 08:41:12 PM
Look, the CGI teams supporting the fake International Space Station must be working overtime because of the Fort McMurray fire.

http://addins.kwwl.com/blogs/weather/2016/05/fort-mcmurray-fire

It's a major disaster, they had to evacuate a city of 80,000 people and thousands of homes and buildings have burnt to the ground.  Probably the biggest Canadian natural disaster since the Ice Storm of 1998.

There are some shocking clips of people driving down streets with 100-foot-tall walls of flame in the burning trees right by the side of the road.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 07, 2016, 10:30:29 PM
Real Eyes vs. the Flat Earth Firmament

There is indeed a "firmament" but it is not
as the Flat Earthers have defined it.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 01:02:08 AM
How do we get radio frequencies that originate in deep space?  They could never get through your dome.

Out-of-this world 'alien' noises heard by scientists came from earth (microwave ovens) (http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/575834/out-of-this-world-alien-noises-heard-by-scientists-came-from-much-closer-to-home).  The signals don't originate from deep space!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2016, 02:35:34 AM
Out-of-this world 'alien' noises heard by scientists came from earth (microwave ovens) (http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/575834/out-of-this-world-alien-noises-heard-by-scientists-came-from-much-closer-to-home).  The signals don't originate from deep space!

Gravock

Well, I was talking about a quasi-stellar radio source, otherwise known as Quasars, the first of which were discovered back in the late 1950's...these emit radio waves and are NOT caused by microwave ovens...ha ha...that was a good laugh.

You will just make up anything to further your idiotic propaganda it seems.  Well, carry on...

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 03:03:20 AM
Real Eyes vs. the Flat Earth Firmament

There is indeed a "firmament" but it is not
as the Flat Earthers have defined it.

"Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, strong as a molten mirror?" (Job 37:18)

The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth... (Amos 9:6)

Now over the heads of the living beings there was something like an expanse, like the awesome gleam of crystal, extended over their heads. (Ezekiel 1:22)

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. (Revelation 15:2 KJV)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 03:12:47 AM
Well, I was talking about a quasi-stellar radio source, otherwise known as Quasars, the first of which were discovered back in the late 1950's...these emit radio waves and are NOT caused by microwave ovens...ha ha...that was a good laugh.

You will just make up anything to further your idiotic propaganda it seems.  Well, carry on...

Bill

I've already shown how scientists are easily deceived in where the signals are coming from.  Radio waves, microwaves, etc. are all originating from earth and not deep space.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 03:33:33 AM
Just for SeaMonkey:  Flat Earth: Periscopes Prove Zero Curvature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnaGOM2bRVs)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on May 08, 2016, 05:34:55 AM
Just for SeaMonkey:  Flat Earth: Periscopes Prove Zero Curvature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnaGOM2bRVs)

Gravock

http://www.ussnautilus.org/education/pdf/stemlessons/LessonPlanUpPeriscope.pdf

I. With the periscope, you can measure the bearing to an object on land and determine the range
that object, to determine your position at sea.
II. Using the height of the object being viewed and the height of your periscope above the waterline,
draw a picture of your submarine and periscope, the viewed object, and the curve of the Earth.
III. Draw a line connecting the maximum height of both objects. Discuss how that line is a tangent
to the Earth.
IV. Draw the radius of the Earth to both objects and to the point where the tangent line touches the
Earth.
V. Calculate the missing side lengths of any right triangles, and determine how far you are from the
other object.
VI. Discuss how objects with different heights will be seen from different distances away


Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 05:56:43 AM
http://www.ussnautilus.org/education/pdf/stemlessons/LessonPlanUpPeriscope.pdf (http://www.ussnautilus.org/education/pdf/stemlessons/LessonPlanUpPeriscope.pdf)

I. With the periscope, you can measure the bearing to an object on land and determine the range
that object, to determine your position at sea.
II. Using the height of the object being viewed and the height of your periscope above the waterline,
draw a picture of your submarine and periscope, the viewed object, and the curve of the Earth.
III. Draw a line connecting the maximum height of both objects. Discuss how that line is a tangent
to the Earth.
IV. Draw the radius of the Earth to both objects and to the point where the tangent line touches the
Earth.
V. Calculate the missing side lengths of any right triangles, and determine how far you are from the
other object.
VI. Discuss how objects with different heights will be seen from different distances away


Brad

The highlighted portion in number 2 above is based on a false premise, and the earth being a flat round disc will also have a radius in regards to the highlighted portion in number 4 above.  In other-words, the highlighted text proves nothing.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: seychelles on May 08, 2016, 06:05:10 AM
Now i know why ALIENS would not communicate with us because WE ARE LIKE FUCKING COCKROACHES.. Do i get this right are we in this day and age discussing if the earth is a ball or a flat disc..PLEASE ...
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 06:19:55 AM
Now i know why ALIENS would not communicate with us because WE ARE LIKE FUCKING COCKROACHES.. Do i get this right are we in this day and age discussing if the earth is a ball or a flat disc..PLEASE ...

Please take your Spam somewhere else!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 06:43:47 AM
Rainbows Prove a Mirrored Dome (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm4Kep5qw9o)!

You can't make a rainbow indoors without a mirror.  Rainbows are formed naturally outdoors by the mirrored dome that is above us!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 08, 2016, 07:04:42 AM
Quote from: GravityBlock
Just for SeaMonkey:  Flat Earth: Periscopes Prove Zero Curvature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnaGOM2bRVs)

Actually, that periscopes can be used to sight
surface targets proves that the curvature of the
Earth is rather gentle.  The Earth is much larger
than most Flat Earthers are willing to admit.

Periscopes are not able to see over the horizon
and have limited capablity.  Submarines do have
Radar however and the ability to link to satellite
imaging.

Submarines are a real adventure.  Unforgettable.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 08, 2016, 09:54:59 AM
As an American,it may be hard to see,due to loving your country--blind is love some times. But from an outsiders point of view,you can clearly see that something is drastically wrong with the 9/11 story.
Brad

Look at NASA, burning TAX money like its FREE, current needed human purpose ................. ??? ??? ??? ??? ?

Kids are born like below, seems to me a better goal to help first all the suffering on this planet!

Yep, its maybe round or flat, we should talk about the string puppets that are not helping out of there job fear, here chicken behind a nickname???

Try to feel again, than maybe you could be a teacher!

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on May 08, 2016, 11:58:55 AM
I've already shown how scientists are easily deceived in where the signals are coming from.  Radio waves, microwaves, etc. are all originating from earth and not deep space.
Don't you think it is possible to distinguish reflection from transmission?

BTW: Do you think the starlight is transmitted or reflected?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 08, 2016, 01:02:36 PM
Rainbows Prove a Mirrored Dome (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm4Kep5qw9o)!

You can't make a rainbow indoors without a mirror.  Rainbows are formed naturally outdoors by the mirrored dome that is above us!

Gravock

FALSE again! You are really showing your ignorance and gullibility here. Clearly you have no idea how a real rainbow is produced in nature, nor how to make one yourself.

You have been refuted at every turn. Falsehoods like the above, mistaken interpretations, and simple ignorance of astronomy, aviation, geometry etc. are all you have. And it's hilarious to see you displaying your ignorance as if you are actually _proud_ of it !!!

Keep it up, you are hilarious!

Place a very strong but small source of light in the corner of a big room. Look in the opposite direction from the light source, and use an atomizer to spray a mist of uniform tiny water droplets in the air ahead of you. You will  see a real rainbow, at the characteristic rainbow angle, produced by the same mechanism that happens outside in the sunlight. The "mirrors" are the droplets of water themselves, just as when it happens in the sky.

Here are some more ways to "make a rainbow" indoors (actually, a spectrum projected onto a surface rather than a real rainbow that appears to be in the air), some of which use mirrors and others that do not.
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Rainbow

FFS, learn some physics why don't you?  .... I know why.... you're a windup.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 08, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
The highlighted portion in number 2 above is based on a false premise, and the earth being a flat round disc will also have a radius in regards to the highlighted portion in number 4 above.  In other-words, the highlighted text proves nothing.

Gravock

Wrong again! Sketch the problem given in the passage, from your "flat earth" perspective and show this "radius in regards to the highlighted portion in number 4 above."  You're just full of utter nonsense. Every post you make increases your hilarity and reduces any credibility you may ever have had. Keep it up! 
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 08, 2016, 01:12:42 PM
Now i know why ALIENS would not communicate with us because WE ARE LIKE FUCKING COCKROACHES.. Do i get this right are we in this day and age discussing if the earth is a ball or a flat disc..PLEASE ...

Heh... it's not a discussion at all. It's a _windup_. Look at all the false claims "gravityblock" has made trying to support his nonsensical belief. I don't even think that HE believes it any more, he's just copy-pasting from the internet postings of people too stupid to even do their own research and experimentation.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on May 08, 2016, 02:35:33 PM
The highlighted portion in number 2 above is based on a false premise, and the earth being a flat round disc will also have a radius in regards to the highlighted portion in number 4 above.  In other-words, the highlighted text proves nothing.

Gravock

It is odd that from my geological location,i can watch the stars make an almost straight line trace over the period of night. One would think if i lived on a flat earth,the stars would at least show a trace of 1/2 a full circle during 12 hours of night.


Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 04:46:07 PM
FALSE again! You are really showing your ignorance and gullibility here. Clearly you have no idea how a real rainbow is produced in nature, nor how to make one yourself.

You have been refuted at every turn. Falsehoods like the above, mistaken interpretations, and simple ignorance of astronomy, aviation, geometry etc. are all you have. And it's hilarious to see you displaying your ignorance as if you are actually _proud_ of it !!!

Keep it up, you are hilarious!

Place a very strong but small source of light in the corner of a big room. Look in the opposite direction from the light source, and use an atomizer to spray a mist of uniform tiny water droplets in the air ahead of you. You will  see a real rainbow, at the characteristic rainbow angle, produced by the same mechanism that happens outside in the sunlight. The "mirrors" are the droplets of water themselves, just as when it happens in the sky.

Here are some more ways to "make a rainbow" indoors (actually, a spectrum projected onto a surface rather than a real rainbow that appears to be in the air), some of which use mirrors and others that do not.
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Rainbow (http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Rainbow)

FFS, learn some physics why don't you?  .... I know why.... you're a windup.

Wrong!

The glass and windows are all slightly reflective. 

If the back side of the flask is painted with silver or aluminium paint (http://eo.ucar.edu/rainbows/rainbow_ex.html), more of the light will be reflected and the rainbow should be brighter (see images below and the reference link).  This clearly shows a mirror is essential in making rainbows.  More light being reflected equals a better and brighter rainbow.  No light reflected equals no mirror and no rainbow.

Gravock


Edit:  Added the text above that is in bold.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 06:21:03 PM
Don't you think it is possible to distinguish reflection from transmission?

BTW: Do you think the starlight is transmitted or reflected?

Apparently the scientists did not try to distinguish reflection from transmission.  Their antennas were pointing to the "so-called" deep space, so they wrongly assumed the signals were being transmitted instead of being reflected.

The starlight is transmitted.  However, this doesn't mean the transmitted starlight is never reflected between a reflective surface on the earth and the mirror-like firmament dome that is above.  The stars are hanged/embedded into the firmament dome, and this mirror-like dome rotates around the stationary flat earth.  The luminaries are much closer than what has been taught by TPTB.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 08, 2016, 07:17:59 PM
It is odd that from my geological location,i can watch the stars make an almost straight line trace over the period of night. One would think if i lived on a flat earth,the stars would at least show a trace of 1/2 a full circle during 12 hours of night.


Brad
Yeah.. and how is it arranged that it is the middle of the night where you are, at the same time it's the middle of the day where I am? How is it that the stars rise 4  minutes earlier from one night to the next, yet the moon rises 50 minutes later each night? And the 5 naked-eye-visible planets wander around on their own schedules? Is Gravock going to tell us that they are all projected by different programmable projectors, like something in a giant planetarium? Where is this huge, always working, projector located and how is it powered, who operates it, who built it, and why, I wonder? (NOT....)

Anybody who spends a good amount of time looking at the sky in a dark, clear location can see for themselves that we are located on a spinning ball that revolves around a distant sun, and the stars are a _lot_ further away than that sun. It's the simplest and most sensible model that explains what we see, and Gravock might be interested in reading up on the History of Astronomy to see the progression in observation and thought that has happened over the centuries.

But we know he won't do it.

Brad, can you see the Southern Cross and the constellation Octans from your location?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_pole)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Octantis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Octantis)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 08, 2016, 07:23:17 PM
Wrong!

The glass and windows are all slightly reflective. 

If the back side of the flask is painted with silver or aluminium paint (http://eo.ucar.edu/rainbows/rainbow_ex.html), more of the light will be reflected and the rainbow should be brighter (see images below and the reference link).  This clearly shows a mirror is essential in making rainbows.  More light being reflected equals a better and brighter rainbow.

Gravock

No, I am not wrong, and I have told you how you can make a _real_ mist rainbow indoors if you don't mind getting your floor wet. Any kid with a garden hose can do the same thing outdoors with sunlight.
You've presented a way using mirrors. There are other ways, and what you are doing now (saying the glass and windows slightly reflective) is called "Special Pleading". After all, the mist droplets are acting as mirrors of a kind too, but that's not what you meant when you first made your statement. Learn some optics, why don't you? I  know why -- because any _real_ physics knowledge will challenge what you (pretend to) believe and you can't meet that challenge.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 07:33:21 PM
Yeah.. and how is it arranged that it is the middle of the night where you are, at the same time it's the middle of the day where I am? How is it that the stars rise 4  minutes earlier from one night to the next, yet the moon rises 50 minutes later each night? And the 5 naked-eye-visible planets wander around on their own schedules? Is Gravock going to tell us that they are all projected by different programmable projectors, like something in a giant planetarium? Where is this huge, always working, projector located and how is it powered, who operates it, who built it, and why, I wonder? (NOT....)

Anybody who spends a good amount of time looking at the sky in a dark, clear location can see for themselves that we are located on a spinning ball that revolves around a distant sun, and the stars are a _lot_ further away than that sun. It's the simplest and most sensible model that explains what we see, and Gravock might be interested in reading up on the History of Astronomy to see the progression in observation and thought that has happened over the centuries.

But we know he won't do it.

Brad, can you see the Southern Cross and the constellation Octans from your location?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_pole)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Octantis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Octantis)

Southern "Hemisphere" Constellations and the Southern Cross Explained by the flat earth model (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POPkDPh8jv8).  This has already been previously posted.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 07:42:02 PM
No, I am not wrong, and I have told you how you can make a _real_ mist rainbow indoors if you don't mind getting your floor wet. Any kid with a garden hose can do the same thing outdoors with sunlight.
You've presented a way using mirrors. There are other ways, and what you are doing now (saying the glass and windows slightly reflective) is called "Special Pleading". After all, the mist droplets are acting as mirrors of a kind too, but that's not what you meant when you first made your statement. Learn some optics, why don't you? I  know why -- because any _real_ physics knowledge will challenge what you (pretend to) believe and you can't meet that challenge.

Go ahead and try to make a rainbow indoors where there is no light being reflected by it's surrounding environment and we'll see if the mist droplets themselves are acting as tiny mirrors to form a rainbow.  No reflected light, equals no mirror, equals no rainbow.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 07:48:25 PM
what is this, some ruse to lower the perceptions of this website yet again?

how does one ignore the multitude of evidence alluding to spherical cosmic bodies in favor of an alternate theory that can be disproved as easily as taking a flight to the edge of Earth and photographing the boundary?

this flat earth misconception was put to rest ages ago and any resuscitation of the idea is in actuality done by those wishing to secretly 'troll' and make a joke of out any who would join the bandwagon. you can visit the flat earth forums and websites online and see they mainly consist of bored teenagers who get their jollies from stringing along gullible people.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 07:50:36 PM
what is this, some ruse to lower the perceptions of this website yet again?

how does one ignore the multitude of evidence alluding to spherical cosmic bodies in favor of an alternate theory that can be disproved as easily as taking a flight to the edge of Earth and photographing the boundary?

this flat earth misconception was put to rest ages ago and any resuscitation of the idea is in actuality done by those wishing to secretly 'troll' and make a joke of out any who would join the bandwagon. you can visit the flat earth forums and websites online and see they mainly consist of bored teenagers who get their jollies from stringing along gullible people.

Spam!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2016, 08:02:27 PM
Spam!

Gravock

Ah, so you are a Bored Teenager then?  That would explain quite a lot.  Why don't you do something constructive with your time?  Try reading some science books...maybe get a job mowing lawns for people.

How do I know FOR A FACT that you are just a Bored Teenager?  Why, I just read it on the internet so it has to be true...just like all of the other BS you post as "proof" which in reality was just a posting made by another Bored Teenager.

Maybe when you grow up, you will come to regret all of the time you wasted as a youth...when you could have been doing something worthwhile.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2016, 08:05:07 PM
what is this, some ruse to lower the perceptions of this website yet again?

how does one ignore the multitude of evidence alluding to spherical cosmic bodies in favor of an alternate theory that can be disproved as easily as taking a flight to the edge of Earth and photographing the boundary?

this flat earth misconception was put to rest ages ago and any resuscitation of the idea is in actuality done by those wishing to secretly 'troll' and make a joke of out any who would join the bandwagon. you can visit the flat earth forums and websites online and see they mainly consist of bored teenagers who get their jollies from stringing along gullible people.

See?  Here is my proof that you are indeed a Bored Teenager.  End of story, case closed...no need for discussion.  I read it on the internet, it is true and everyone here now knows this as a fact.

I am glad we cleared this up.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 08:05:47 PM
spam?

I'm basically asking you why hasn't someone literally caught a plane to this proposed edge of the planet. Why argue all of these logical points when one actually has the ability to see the truth with your own eyes, in person. I doubt it's because bringing this information to light would cause the entire world-navigating planet to reconstruct it's navigation strategy. Ships and Planes seem to arrive at their destinations just fine as it is. It would however remove the need for geosynchronous satellites, so that's cool I guess.

Doing my research, as you have, actually respecting the topic as much as I could bear, I realized there wasn't actually anyone who really believed it it. It was all a sham for kicks. I think you are all alone grav.

Surely you must understand the apprehension most of us have toward ingesting this information, being that it is so easily disprovable in a number of ways.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 08, 2016, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: GravityBlock
Quote from: Magneticitist
what is this, some ruse to lower the perceptions of this website yet again?

how does one ignore the multitude of evidence alluding to spherical cosmic bodies in favor of an alternate theory that can be disproved as easily as taking a flight to the edge of Earth and photographing the boundary?

this flat earth misconception was put to rest ages ago and any resuscitation of the idea is in actuality done by those wishing to secretly 'troll' and make a joke of out any who would join the bandwagon. you can visit the flat earth forums and websites online and see they mainly consist of bored teenagers who get their jollies from stringing along gullible people.


Spam!

Gravock

It would be tempting to presume that Gravity Block actually
believes what he posts in support of a Flat Earth.  But, when
his "proofs" are examined scientifically they are found to be
naught more than amateurish spoofs.  Ample illustration that
Gravity Block is simply a mere minion within the greater plot
of deception.

Gravity Block knows that he is promoting deception.  So then
one wonders what could possibly be his motive?

Ego.

Quote from: TinKoa to Gravity Block
...because any _real_ physics knowledge will challenge what you (pretend to) believe and you can't meet that challenge.

 
TinKoa has, once again, nailed it!

 
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 08:08:25 PM
Ah, so you are a Bored Teenager then?  That would explain quite a lot.  Why don't you do something constructive with your time?  Try reading some science books...maybe get a job mowing lawns for people.

How do I know FOR A FACT that you are just a Bored Teenager?  Why, I just read it on the internet so it has to be true...just like all of the other BS you post as "proof" which in reality was just a posting made by another bored teenager.

Maybe when you grow up, you will come to regret all of the time you wasted as a youth...when you could have been doing something worthwhile.

Bill

More Spam by the bored teenager bots!  You don't have a better argument to refute what is being posted?  Of course not, so spam is your only option at this time.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2016, 08:10:22 PM
spam?

I'm basically asking you why hasn't someone literally caught a plane to this proposed edge of the planet. Why argue all of these logical points when one actually has the ability to see the truth with your own eyes, in person. I doubt it's because bringing this information to light would cause the entire world-navigating planet to reconstruct it's navigation strategy. Ships and Planes seem to arrive at their destinations just fine as it is. It would however remove the need for geosynchronous satellites, so that's cool I guess.

Doing my research, as you have, actually respecting the topic as much as I could bear, I realized there wasn't actually anyone who really believed it it. It was all a sham for kicks. I think you are all alone grav.

Surely you must understand the apprehension most of us have toward ingesting this information, being that it is so easily disprovable in a number of ways.

Gravock calls anything written by anyone that disagrees with him Spam.  He has totally redefined the word to suit his needs thereby allowing him to continue to ignore basic facts that are, as you said, easily observable.

Of course, no one else on the planet agree with his redefined definition but hey, that will not stop him from ignorantly plodding on using that word incorrectly.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 08:14:12 PM
I'll meet you halfway. Though we have apparently been deceived as to the geometry of the planet we reside, one such as yourself should still be able to use the tools of math and technology to pin point where exactly our Earth 'ends'.  When you work out the length and width, and provide me a GPS coordinate, or even ballpark handwritten map of where I can personally travel to this edge, I promise to one day travel to this edge of Earth and film it in high definition in the presence of 10 credible witnesses. Fair?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 08:17:01 PM

Spam!

Gravock


It would be tempting to presume that Gravity Block actually
believes what he posts in support of a Flat Earth.  But, when
his "proofs" are examined scientifically they are found to be
naught more than amateurish spoofs.  Ample illustration that
Gravity Block is simply a mere minion within the greater plot
of deception.

Gravity Block knows that he is promoting deception.  So then
one wonders what could possibly be his motive?

Ego.

TinKoa has, once again, nailed it.

No, I'm exposing a great deception, and in the upcoming days, an even greater deception is coming that is based on this current deception.  It is you who is being deceived.

1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."

Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."

Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2016, 08:17:38 PM
More Spam by the bored teenager bots!  You don't have a better argument to refute what is being posted?  Of course not, so spam is your only option at this time.

Gravock

Ah yes, the classic response of a Bored Teenager who, after being bombarded with scientific facts, now claims they were spam.  So, all of my logical and scientific responses were just spam...I see.  Everyone's scientific postings were all spam too I suppose?

How about the fact that the internet that you rely on so much to find junk postings to post as proof, and that you use to make your Bored Teenager rants here would not work the way it does if the world was flat?  Ha ha, the very fact that you are on the internet right now disproves all of your BS theories.

I am glad I thought of this.  You just busted yourself just by being here, ha ha!!!!

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 08, 2016, 08:20:58 PM
Quote from: Pirate
Gravock calls anything written by anyone that disagrees with him Spam.  He has totally redefined the word to suit his needs thereby allowing him to continue to ignore basic facts that are, as you said, easily observable.

Of course, no one else on the planet agree with his redefined definition but hey, that will not stop him from ignorantly plodding on using that word incorrectly.

Aye, that is the procedure laid out in the "Play Book."

It is just a game.

But there is some ego gratification involved.  Those who
are advocates for the deception get a literal orgasm
when their spoofs are responded to with reason and
emotion.  They are "hooked" on a new form of gratification
which is, for them, as addictive as a drug.  They delight in
performing service to the Father of the Lie.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 08:21:24 PM
@Bill 

I remember when some popular music artist was spreading this hoax around heavily and apparently built quite a following... He was constantly bombarded with the type of logic you would expect from people who are aware the earth is not flat. It eventually did become apparent to me that no right minded individual capable of maintaining any form of interaction with society as an adult could truly believe this, and it was most likely a ploy that no one was able to catch... He knew full well it wasn't true but committed to the lie for a couple possible reasons I can think of..

1- a form of 'research study' trying to prove how easily some people can be persuaded to believe a lie simply out of over idolizing whomever they received the information from.
2- making a point about how harsh people can be toward those who are not up to par on the facts, and how there is more ridiculing and belittling than real attempts toward dissuading this person from his/her erroneous views.

personally, i think grav just wants to litter this forum with an over the top ridiculous topic
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 08:21:43 PM
I'll meet you halfway. Though we have apparently been deceived as to the geometry of the planet we reside, one such as yourself should still be able to use the tools of math and technology to pin point where exactly our Earth 'ends'.  When you work out the length and width, and provide me a GPS coordinate, or even ballpark handwritten map of where I can personally travel to this edge, I promise to one day travel to this edge of Earth and film it in high definition in the presence of 10 credible witnesses. Fair?

Yes, that's fair.  The edge can be found in Antarctica.  Antarctica is the ice ring surrounding the flat earth.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on May 08, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
This thread has just been hijacked with meaningless posts by the ballers who can't refute the flat earth model!  It's as if they're throwing a temper tantrum because they can't have it their way.  ROFLMAO

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2016, 08:28:41 PM
This thread has been hijacked with meaningless posts by those who can't refute the flat earth model!

Gravock

Ummm...it was refuted by the first post made by someone other than you.  Since then, it has been totally refuted many, many times.  I think you just like the attention this brings you because, even a bored teenager would know simple scientific facts that you just gloss over and ignore.

Does your Mom know you are on here doing this?

Have you figured out how your simple act of using the internet proves the earth is round?  It is a no brainer and even you should be able to handle it.  You have clearly refuted all of your so-called evidence just by making your first post here.

Ha ha, this is really funny.  Actually, if you can't figure out how you have done this...it might be a little sad.

Bill

PS  I'll give you a hint...it has to do with a book called: "The Cockoo's Egg" by Clifford Stoll

https://books.google.com/books/about/CUCKOO_S_EGG.html?id=0q1_5QkqV8EC&source=kp_cover&hl=en (https://books.google.com/books/about/CUCKOO_S_EGG.html?id=0q1_5QkqV8EC&source=kp_cover&hl=en)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Magneticitist on May 08, 2016, 08:28:47 PM
lol.. silly, antarctica is where the entrance to Agartha is located, don't you know that?

anyway, that's a little too cold, and far, how about you be sporting enough to provide me an edge along what we know as the equator.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Here2njoy on May 08, 2016, 08:49:49 PM
As the band plays on.... www.flatearth.goesviral.net, www.AplaneTruth.info . Huge views on Youtube with players like ODD TV, Mark Mullin, DMurphy25, Dan Dimension, Mark Sargent, Eric Dubay.  All getting people to Question Everything!   I like it!.....  Even the President on the US has mentioned it in his speeches many times over the last several years.... Gotta love it.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 09, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Southern "Hemisphere" Constellations and the Southern Cross Explained by the flat earth model (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POPkDPh8jv8).  This has already been previously posted.

Gravock

You really are hilarious! That is the stupidest video I've seen in a long time. The person who made that video is totally ignorant of astronomy and simply lies when claiming that the Northern and Southern planispheres (sky maps) can be superimposed in that manner, with identical stars showing up near the respective Celestial Poles.  For example the Greater and Lesser Magellanic Clouds cannot be seen at all from most of the Northern Hemisphere but are prominent in the Southern night skies at the right time of year. And there is no star right at the Southern Celestial Pole, but Polaris is very near the NCP. There is no Octans constellation near the NCP but there is at the SCP. There is no Big Dipper pointing to Polaris at the SCP. There is no Southern Cross in the Northern sky. And on and on. Certainly there are some constellations near the Celestial Equator that can be seen from both hemispheres, but not near the Celestial Poles! That video was made by an ignoramus.

So Gravock your best "evidence" for your silly "flat-earth" comes from an old book of mythological fairy tales and some videos made by ignoramuses who can't even get their basic facts straight.

Meanwhile, this morning (in America) Mercury transited the face of the Sun, and this event (sadly not visible from Australia) was observed and recorded in many places. It was too cloudy here in the Southern USA but if the skies had been clear I would have observed it myself, as I observed and photographed the transit of Venus in 2012. Astronomers have used such transits of Mercury and Venus for many years to tell us about the nature of the Solar System. In 1716, the astronomer Edmund Halley proposed a method, using Venus transits, for determining the distance from the Earth to the Sun. They already knew enough at that early date to calculate when these rare transits would occur. So in 1761 and 1769, several international expeditions were mounted to locations where the transits of Venus could be observed precisely in order to make this measurement of the Earth-Sun distance.
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-18293989

Of course the "flat earthers" will just say that all this history and data is made up, a bunch of lies to fool people into believing... what? For what reason? This is why this is not a "discussion" at all, any more than one can "discuss" religion with a Jehova's Witness, a Mormon, or a Muslim. They are right and skeptics are wrong and there is nothing you can "discuss" that will make them believe otherwise. Or as a popular USA bumper sticker says, "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it."  (And on the other bumper, "Protected by .357 Magnum" or some such.)

There are several good, FREE, planetarium programs that are available for download, that depict the night sky that one would see, without the hassle of clouds or light pollution. These programs even can interface with computerised telescope mounts to point the scope to the same part of the sky that is shown in the program, so the observer can see for him or herself that the program is a faithful representation of what is actually out there.
For Linux users, KStars works quite well. Others, for Linux, Windows, OSX, include Cartes du Ciel and Stellarium.
 
http://www.deepsky2000.com/cartes.htm
http://www.stellarium.org/

There are even versions that you can put on your tablet or cellphone, that will show you the stars in whatever part of the sky by "aiming" the phone at the sky.

I encourage "flat earthers" to download and explore these programs. You can then see for yourself that the northern and southern skies -- the planispheres talked about in the video above -- are nothing like each other and cannot be overlapped as the ignoramus claimed. I'm pretty sure these "flat earthers" don't have computerized telescopes so they will have to depend on their naked eye or binoculars to check their local night skies to assure themselves that the planetarium programs are telling them what is actually to be seen in the sky.


Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on May 09, 2016, 09:03:39 PM
lol.. silly, antarctica is where the entrance to Agartha is located, don't you know that?

anyway, that's a little too cold, and far, how about you be sporting enough to provide me an edge along what we know as the equator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCnYcjOvA4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCnYcjOvA4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CytI-FZN4xk
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 10, 2016, 10:37:42 PM
They are working overtime:

Kepler telescope discovers 100 Earth-sized planets

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36256725

It makes me sad for Carl Sagan because he passed away just as the discovery of planets started to take off.  And now of course we now know that there are billions and billions of them just in the Milky Way.

Apparently when the James Webb Space Telescope is launched (October 2018) they will be able to use the star transit technique to look for the signature gasses of life on other planets.  Although you can't be sure, it will still be a profound moment in world history if they do indeed find that.

And to think when I was growing up I always believed that it would be "impossible" to detect the presence of planets around far away stars.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 10, 2016, 11:29:43 PM
Quote from: Miles Higher
...when I was growing up...

Gosh Miles, when was that? :o

You mean to say that you're no longer growing up? ;)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on May 10, 2016, 11:43:38 PM
I think that you are late for the party.   ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ihs8zvXzWA
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on May 11, 2016, 01:27:47 AM
 author=TinselKoala link=topic=16571.msg483620#msg483620 date=1462820369]

Meanwhile, this morning (in America) Mercury transited the face of the Sun, and this event (sadly not visible from Australia) was observed and recorded in many places. It was too cloudy here in the Southern USA but if the skies had been clear I would have observed it myself, as I observed and photographed the transit of Venus in 2012. Astronomers have used such transits of Mercury and Venus for many years to tell us about the nature of the Solar System. In 1716, the astronomer Edmund Halley proposed a method, using Venus transits, for determining the distance from the Earth to the Sun. They already knew enough at that early date to calculate when these rare transits would occur. So in 1761 and 1769, several international expeditions were mounted to locations where the transits of Venus could be observed precisely in order to make this measurement of the Earth-Sun distance.
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-18293989



[/quote]

Yes--ripped off again :'(


Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 18, 2016, 05:41:10 PM
Flat Earth 747: SOFIA Is The Real Hubble & Chandra Telescope @ 45,000 feet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUJNlR4spuM)

Hubble and Chandra doesn't exist, and is nothing but a fairy tale as told by NASA!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 18, 2016, 05:52:29 PM
Flat Earth: Connecting the dots, NASA's space is water! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Cq46LpceI)

"A lot of things swimming in the foreground", as quoted in NASA's fake video of their so-called tether experiment, ROFLMAO!  More fairy tales as told by NASA and their co-conspirators (other space agencies)!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 18, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Flat Earth:  Deniers (ballers) pull hair out with both hands! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaXnWbyxVr4)

Rim velocity is what matters as found in the Machinery's Handbook, and not RPM!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 18, 2016, 06:13:47 PM
Flat Earth: Impossibilities of Earth's Orbit! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMPlWnWY20)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 18, 2016, 06:44:55 PM
It's really funny to see you wasting your short life on such utter bullshit! Keep it up, you are the most amusing poster on this forum, except perhaps Lawrence Tseung.

Why don't you learn some real astronomy, buy yourself a computerized telescope, and go out and do some stargazing on your own?  You just might learn something.

Oh... sorry... I forgot, you already know it all, and every computer telescope, planetarium, and space program in the world is fake.

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on June 18, 2016, 07:10:39 PM
Isn't it amazing how "dirty" it is up there in low Earth orbit?  You can see it in the tether experiment clip.  Good thing I never became an astronaut.  I can just see myself floating out there on a space walk and I get whacked by a 10-gram nut at 5000 kilometers per hour that has been up there orbiting since 1968.

If I opened up a pizza parlor I would call my tasty pizzas "globes" because you can charge more for your designer boutique pizza pies.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: allcanadian on June 18, 2016, 08:49:07 PM
@TK
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It's really funny to see you wasting your short life on such utter bullshit! Keep it up, you are the most amusing poster on this forum, except perhaps Lawrence Tseung.


This thread is amazing isn't it?, we have so much potential to do so much real good in this world and yet we see so many people just piss their time away waiting for their end. I once saw the meaning of life as I watched a loved one die, they proclaimed I'm not ready and I wanted to do so much more in their last breath... but they never did. I'm not sure one can truly appreciate our life until it's about to be taken away and then all this petty BS we thought our life was fails to hold the same meaning.


Apparently the author has nothing better to do than sit at a computer all day dreaming up conspiracy theories and howl at the moon... in-fucking-credible, lol.


AC
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: webby1 on June 18, 2016, 09:17:58 PM
What is on the other side of the flat disk?

It is one thing to see and another to be told.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 18, 2016, 09:21:33 PM
Why don't you learn some real astronomy, buy yourself a computerized telescope, and go out and do some stargazing on your own?  You just might learn something.

Oh... sorry... I forgot, you already know it all, and every computer telescope, planetarium, and space program in the world is fake.

Yes, the digital computerized telescopes, etc, are just as fake as the Orlando Pulse shooting!  I predict you'll perpetuate the deceptions and lies all the way from the crib to your grave, ROFLMAO!!!

Orion Telescopes & The Fish Eye Lens Exposed - The Flat Earth Reality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGJzC51ZIqk)

The False Reality Exposed - Smoke & Mirrors & Greenscreen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz5CxHEjvvc)

Orlando Shooting Crisis Actors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4922rWCZ890) and here is the full unedited video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3IV9wuXID0)

Gravock




Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 18, 2016, 09:28:36 PM
Isn't it amazing how "dirty" it is up there in low Earth orbit?  You can see it in the tether experiment clip.  Good thing I never became an astronaut.  I can just see myself floating out there on a space walk and I get whacked by a 10-gram nut at 5000 kilometers per hour that has been up there orbiting since 1968.

If I opened up a pizza parlor I would call my tasty pizzas "globes" because you can charge more for your designer boutique pizza pies.

Yes, it's pretty dirty in the swimming pool where the tether experiment was filmed!  Since when do things swim in space and why do we see air bubbles rising to the surface while the astronauts are supposedly in space?  How does an astrononaut nearly drowns in water while being in space? ROFLMAO!!!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on June 18, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Think of the conspiracy in 2003 to create scorched remnants of the space shuttle Columbia.   Then the conspiracy to scatter them all over Texas.  Then the conspiracy to have teams search for all of the burnt pieces.  Then the conspiracy to create a shooting star effect at the top of the dome.  Then the conspiracy to have the orange foam break off during the launch.  Then there was the testing conspiracy where they put a piece of foam into a chicken gun and fired it at the wing.  Then the conspiracy to do the investigation.  Then the conspiracy to write up the report of the investigation.

All seven people that they want you to believe are astronauts now live in a place called Portmeirion.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on June 18, 2016, 10:08:12 PM
Flat Earth: Impossibilities of Earth's Orbit! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMPlWnWY20)

Gravock

That clip was brought to you in 100% genuine Retard-o-Vision.   "It makes the idiot box look genius!"
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 18, 2016, 10:29:26 PM
That clip was brought to you in 100% genuine Retard-o-Vision.   "It makes the idiot box look genius!"

She was making fun of you ballers by acting like a stupid blonde because even a retard should know that if the earth is rotating at 1000 mph around it's axis, and orbiting the sun at nearly 67,000 mph while accelerating and decelerating, and shooting through the milky way galaxy at speeds over 500,000 mph that we would easily notice, see, and feel the effects of this.  Also, we wouldn't see the same constellations year after year if we were shooting through the milking way at speeds over 500,000 mph.  Oh, I forgot, all of the other stars are moving relative to us at the exact same speeds and the exact same relative directions as the speedy earth is, so we see the same constellations year after year and we feel no accelerations and decelerations.  ROFLMAO!!!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 18, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
It's really funny to see you wasting your short life on such utter bullshit! Keep it up, you are the most amusing poster on this forum, except perhaps Lawrence Tseung.

Why don't you learn some real astronomy, buy yourself a computerized telescope, and go out and do some stargazing on your own?  You just might learn something.

Oh... sorry... I forgot, you already know it all, and every computer telescope, planetarium, and space program in the world is fake.

The problem is that I have met many young people that actually believe this shit.  They say that their college professors would never lie to them so all of this must be true.  All this tells me that ignorance and misinformation has taken over.  You approach these people with facts and they say..."I don't believe in those facts."  Facts are facts and no believing is needed but that is NOT what they are learning in college.

So, soon the government will announce that they need to raise taxes in order to be able to clean the dome and these idiots will say..."Well, that is something we need to do, my professor said we need to do this."

God help us.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 12:06:00 AM
@GB
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She was making fun of you ballers by acting like a stupid blonde because even a retard should know that if the earth is rotating at 1000 mph around it's axis, and orbiting the sun at nearly 67,000 mph while accelerating and decelerating, and shooting through the milky way galaxy at speeds over 500,000 mph that we would easily notice, see, and feel the effects of this.


If you have ever take a ride on a jet the first thing you notice is there is no real indication of speed other than the clouds in close proximity. The jet could be going 1000 mph and yet you do not feel anything once the jets speed levels off and it stops accelerating. We can only feel an acceleration and the Earths speed is constant thus we do not feel anything.


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Also, we wouldn't see the same constellations year after year if we were shooting through the milking way at speeds over 500,000 mph.  Oh, I forgot, all of the other stars are moving relative to us at the exact same speeds and the exact same relative directions as the speedy earth is, so we see the same constellations year after year and we feel no accelerations and decelerations.  ROFLMAO!!!


Oh good grief, let's say your in a jet going 500 mph at 30,000 feet now look down and you will see the ground is moving past very slowly. Why is that?, well because you are very far away from the ground thus it appears to move very slow versus when we are close to the ground. Now how far away do you think those stars are?, well there billions and billions of miles away thus they never appear to move... uhm because there so far away.


Have you ever seen a train Billy?, close up it appears to move very fast but far away it appears to be moving very slowly. Have you ever been hit by a train Billy?, because you seem to have brain damage and cannot seem to understand even the simplest things most children do.


AC
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 12:47:24 AM
@GB

If you have ever take a ride on a jet the first thing you notice is there is no real indication of speed other than the clouds in close proximity. The jet could be going 1000 mph and yet you do not feel anything once the jets speed levels off and it stops accelerating. We can only feel an acceleration and the Earths speed is constant thus we do not feel anything.

Oh good grief, let's say your in a jet going 500 mph at 30,000 feet now look down and you will see the ground is moving past very slowly. Why is that?, well because you are very far away from the ground thus it appears to move very slow versus when we are close to the ground. Now how far away do you think those stars are?, well there billions and billions of miles away thus they never appear to move... uhm because there so far away.

Have you ever seen a train Billy?, close up it appears to move very fast but far away it appears to be moving very slowly. Have you ever been hit by a train Billy?, because you seem to have brain damage and cannot seem to understand even the simplest things most children do.


AC

You conveniently referenced the 1000 mph constant velocity of the earth's axial rotation instead of referencing the orbital speed of the earth as it accelerates and decelerates around the sun.  The earth speeds up as it approaches the sun and slows down as it moves away from the sun.  The Earth travels around the sun in an ellipse. If the Earth were to orbit the sun in a circle, the Earth's speed around the sun would be constant.  However, this isn't the case!  In addition to this, let me spin you around at a 1000 mph and see if you'll get dizzy and thrown outwards by the centrifugal force.  Spin an aquarium at low speeds and watch what happens to the water.  The water will be thrown outwards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8IwL2ZtDTc) (see image below), and the water on the earth is no different.  The water on the earth isn't thrown outwards and finds it's own level.  In a rotating earth, the water would be thrown outwards and wouldn't find it's own level (see image below of a rotating container of water at a low speed)!!!   I must reiterate, it's the rim velocity that matters and not the RPM.  Also, the rim velocity is independent of the rim radius.

In addition to this, according to the globe model, the earth rotates 1000 mph at the equator, and rotates slower above and below the equator.  Thus, you would feel either an acceleration or deceleration as a plane approaches or moves away from the equator at 500+ mph.  However, this isn't the case because the earth isn't rotating on it's axis.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: webby1 on June 19, 2016, 01:48:00 AM
360 degrees per 24 hours,, 360 degrees per second,, I wonder which one has a faster\stronger constant force of acceleration towards or away from the axle?

To those that believe the Earth is a flat disc there is nothing that can be provided to make them believe otherwise,, same for those that believe it is a sphere.

Now rotate that aquarium at 1 revolution per day and see how far the water moves,, it will move but how far?

I believe the Earth is a sphere, not because of what I have been taught but because of what I have seen, planes,, hot air balloons,, from the top of mountains,, out on the open ocean,, and measurements of the sun down a well,, (a long deep straight hole in the ground).

What would the purpose of the Earth being a flat disc be?  Would it of been produced by some outside entity?

I never get very far into the explanations of a flat Earth, they very quickly go against what *my* observations have been.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 02:22:48 AM
360 degrees per 24 hours,, 360 degrees per second,, I wonder which one has a faster\stronger constant force of acceleration towards or away from the axle?

Now rotate that aquarium at 1 revolution per day and see how far the water moves,, it will move but how far?


The velocity at the equator of the fake ball earth with 1 revolution per day is about 1000 mph.  Rotate an aquarium with a rim velocity of 1000 mph and see how far the water will move.  Like I said a few times already, rim velocity, which is independent of the rim radius has nothing to do with angular velocity which depends on radius.  The disruptive force on the earth's water is related to the rim velocity of 1,000 mph at the equator and not the angular velocity of .000694 rpm (1 revolution per day) of the earth.  RPM and angular velocity is totally meaningless and deceptive in regards to this disruptive force.  I suggest you watch the previous video on rim velocity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaXnWbyxVr4) as previously posted, or at least read and understand the text in the snapshot below.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 02:57:26 AM

What would the purpose of the Earth being a flat disc be?  Would it of been produced by some outside entity?


Let's rephrase that question!

What would the purpose of the earth being a round spherical globe be?  Would it of been to hide some outside entity?  Of course!!!  All through out the history of mankind, man has believed the earth to be a stationary immovable round flat disc supported by pillars with a dome above it based on ancient manuscripts and observations of the sky, until the last 500 years.  Then NASA and TPTB perpetuated the deception and lies with their fake CGI images of the earth, along with fake satellites, fake science, etc. 

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: webby1 on June 19, 2016, 03:00:44 AM
I will actually choose to run with my own test I have carried out over the years.

Velocity is a VERY relative value,, and it is very easy to get confused.

I would suggest that you do some simple tests and calculations that the tests will confirm,,

A large diameter wheel and some string and a spring and a weight,, PI is close enough to calculate the velocity of the "rim" distance.

What you will find is that there are several ways of looking at what is what,, bottom line the larger the diameter the smaller the radians per second to hit the same velocity.  2pi/360

Now make your aquarium have a length the same as the diameter of the Earth,, how fast must you rotate the aquarium to have a "rim" velocity of 1000MPH?,, one revolution per day maybe.

CP/CF,, the water spins out and away CF,, gravity pulls it back in CP,, CF pushes the water out to the edge of the tank,, CP is the tank wall pushing the water back in.

These I play with all the time,, and there are actually conditions where "rim" velocity is considered,, it can rip a flywheel apart,, especially when the mass is out at the edge.

I will go back to what I said,, velocity is very relative,, as such the "rim" velocity to a spoke holding that rim is zero.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: webby1 on June 19, 2016, 03:05:32 AM
Let's rephrase that question!

What would the purpose of the earth being a round spherical globe be?  Would it of been to hide some outside entity?  Of course!!!  All through out the history of mankind, man has believed the earth to be a stationary immovable round flat disc supported by pillars with a dome above it based on ancient manuscripts and observations of the sky, until the last 500 years.  Then NASA and TPTB perpetuated the deception and lies with their fake CGI images of the earth, along with fake satellites, fake science, etc. 

Gravock

That I do believe was when certain religions came to be,, not throughout all of mans time on the planet,, and not all of mankind.

Before those certain religions, a large chunk of mankind believed that the Earth was round,, and now even those religions believe the Earth to be round,, so it has come full circle.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 03:23:31 AM
I will actually choose to run with my own test I have carried out over the years.

Velocity is a VERY relative value,, and it is very easy to get confused.

I would suggest that you do some simple tests and calculations that the tests will confirm,,

A large diameter wheel and some string and a spring and a weight,, PI is close enough to calculate the velocity of the "rim" distance.

What you will find is that there are several ways of looking at what is what,, bottom line the larger the diameter the smaller the radians per second to hit the same velocity.  2pi/360

Now make your aquarium have a length the same as the diameter of the Earth,, how fast must you rotate the aquarium to have a "rim" velocity of 1000MPH?,, one revolution per day maybe.

CP/CF,, the water spins out and away CF,, gravity pulls it back in CP,, CF pushes the water out to the edge of the tank,, CP is the tank wall pushing the water back in.

These I play with all the time,, and there are actually conditions where "rim" velocity is considered,, it can rip a flywheel apart,, especially when the mass is out at the edge.

I will go back to what I said,, velocity is very relative,, as such the "rim" velocity to a spoke holding that rim is zero.

According to the table in the Machinery's Handbook on safe speeds, the bigger the object, the slower the safe spin!  If a 10 ft. jet engine fan made of metal can barely survive 1000 mph, do you honestly believe sand and water inside a rotating aquarium the size of the earth with a rim velocity of 1000 mph can do better?

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: partzman on June 19, 2016, 03:25:06 AM
Hmmmm!

What about the documented statement from Dr. Auguste Piccard in the August issue of Popular Science in 1931 after his successful balloon assent to approximately 10 miles above earth that "it seemed as a flat disc with up-turned edges" when asked how the earth appeared at that altitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak

Jus sayin!

partzman
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 03:48:46 AM
That I do believe was when certain religions came to be,, not throughout all of mans time on the planet,, and not all of mankind.

Before those certain religions, a large chunk of mankind believed that the Earth was round,, and now even those religions believe the Earth to be round,, so it has come full circle.

Mainstream science is a false religion in and of it's self that has put it's faith in mankind, instead of an Intelligent Designer.  No, it has not come full circle yet!  People are waking up to the deceptions and lies of this false religion, which is based on a false science, and getting back to what the ancient manuscripts have been saying all along, and doing real science and experiments that is based on truth.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 04:41:53 AM
If the air (atmosphere) is rotating at or near the rotational speed of the earth, then airplanes wouldn't be able to fly against the direction of rotation.  If the air (atmosphere) doesn't rotate with the surface of the earth, then we'll be blown over by 1,000 mph winds.  Either way, the earth can't be rotating.

A Saudi Cleric, a religious leader, has said the sun rotates around the earth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ).  At 2m35s in the video, they put up a quote by the Naked Scientists at Cambridge University in reply to the Saudi Cleric that says, "The atmosphere is moving with the surface of the earth below it because there's friction...you continue to move with...the surface of the earth...so there's no difference in flying with the rotation of the earth or against it".  That's like saying there's no difference in running with the direction of a moving treadmill or against it, because you're moving with the surface of the treadmill's belt below you because there's friction.  ROFLMAO!!!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 06:10:53 AM
@GB


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Mainstream science is a false religion in and of it's self that has put it's faith in mankind, instead of an Intelligent Designer.


There you go little fella... doesn't that feel better getting that off your chest?. You may believe in a god and your believing somehow makes you not unlike a god relative to us non-believing filthy heathens.


I don't know why religious people try to hide their beliefs around normal folks and it always seems like their coming out of the closet or something. Maybe they are afraid they may lack credibility just because they believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days versus real facts. Why I knew a person who was pestering me about a lack of facts concerning free energy but apparently their belief in a bearded white dressed man-god wasn't a problem...WTF?.


You see in real life as in the here and now and stuff we can prove there should be some kind of equality. Not I happen to believe in imaginary things so I can just believe and do whatever the fuck I want without consequence because he/she/it is on my side. It just seems a little off-side, a little I'm a nut job and you have to accept it with a dash of schizo on the side.


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No, it has not come full circle yet!  People are waking up to the deceptions and lies of this false religion, which is based on a false science, and getting back to what the ancient manuscripts have been saying all along, and doing real science and experiments that is based on truth.


Oh the ancient manuscripts, I don't believe I have seen those, were they on Fox news?... I don't have cable. I mean if the Earth is flat I should have wicked reception on the old rabbit ears but no... apparently I still get a shitty signal. Stupid rabbit ears, is there anything about the use of tin foil in the ancient manuscripts?.


AC
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 19, 2016, 06:22:24 AM
Quote from: PartzMan
Hmmmm!

What about the documented statement from Dr. Auguste Piccard in the August issue of Popular Science in 1931 after his successful balloon assent to approximately 10 miles above earth that "it seemed as a flat disc with up-turned edges" when asked how the earth appeared at that altitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak)

Jus sayin!

Apparently it is difficult for many to comprehend just how massive
Planet Earth is.  Ten miles above its surface is minuscule compared
to the diameter of the Planet.  The altitude at which the gentle
curvature of the massive Planet is discernible is much, much higher
than that.

What Piccard saw from his balloon is very common and easily
explained by the Earth's atmosphere coupled with the enormous
size of our Home Planet.  The curvature is very, very gentle.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Dog-One on June 19, 2016, 07:51:10 AM
Now I shall reveal how SeaMonkey knows this...

Because he probably sailed completely around the globe (as have I) and
never fell off the edge.

 :)

"She again deployed to the Western Pacific and completed a second "Around-the-World" cruise in 1987."
  -- Wikipedia
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: webby1 on June 19, 2016, 08:25:42 AM
If the air (atmosphere) is rotating at or near the rotational speed of the earth, then airplanes wouldn't be able to fly against the direction of rotation.  If the air (atmosphere) doesn't rotate with the surface of the earth, then we'll be blown over by 1,000 mph winds.  Either way, the earth can't be rotating.

Gravock

Just so we are on the same page,, we both agree that we disagree.

Take an empty tire,, set it up so that you can spin it,, fill it up with water while you are spinning it.

Now please tell me if the water is spinning with the tire or if it is not,, if you put a toy in the water what is the relative velocity of that toy to the water?  If that toy were to motivate itself in one direction or the other, what would that velocity, relative to the water, be?

I think that hands on test will prove that indeed the air moving with the Earth has a relative velocity to the surface of the Earth,, a plane flying within that air mass then will have its velocity being relative to the air and to the surface of the Earth,, but it will need to overcome the friction of the relative velocity between itself and the air it is flying through,, just like the toy in the tire.

Why is it a flat disc?  why not a square? how about 6 squares connected together?  what is it that defines the shape you believe it to be?

By the way,, rim velocity also can be used to describes the angular momentum when the mass is placed on the rim,, not when the mass is uniformly distributed between the axle and the rim,, and the rim velocity also describes the radian per second velocity,, 2pi/360,, which is used for angular momentum of a mass rotating.

Some of these mechanical examples can be quite easily tried at home,, and with crude stuff you can get a reasonable answer that comes close to the actual formulas,, and from there,, your hands on testing stuff,, not other people,, you can make a better choice from a better understanding,, not saying that it will change your mind but you will have more knowledge about what you are using.

I have provided you with a few simple hands on tests that you can perform for yourself,, nothing I can say or show in video will be valid in your view,, so do it yourself so you have no doubts about the outcomes,, but you really do need to do them.

7,917.5 miles
12,742 km

The radius of the Earth,, or is your flat disc using a different radius?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 08:39:16 AM
@GB
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If the air (atmosphere) is rotating at or near the rotational speed of the earth, then airplanes wouldn't be able to fly against the direction of rotation.  If the air (atmosphere) doesn't rotate with the surface of the earth, then we'll be blown over by 1,000 mph winds.  Either way, the earth can't be rotating.


One little problem, the stars move across the horizon each night do they not?. Now if all objects appear to move slower as they get farther away which we know then all the stars farther away must move progressively faster than the ones closer as they all move across the horizon at the same speed. So either all the stars in the heavens billions upon billions of miles away move faster as they get further away just for your personal entertainment or the Earth is rotating. Now which do you think is more likely?.


So how exactly would all the stars move across the horizon each night as we obviously know they do with a flat non-rotating Earth?.
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ)
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A Saudi Cleric, a religious leader, has said the sun rotates around the earth[/size].  At 2m35s in the video, they put up a quote by the Naked Scientists at Cambridge University in reply to the Saudi Cleric that says, "The atmosphere is moving with the surface of the earth below it because there's friction...you continue to move with...the surface of the earth...so there's no difference in flying with the rotation of the earth or against it".  That's like saying there's no difference in running with the direction of a moving treadmill or against it, because you're moving with the surface of the treadmill's belt below you because there's friction.  ROFLMAO!!![/size] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ)


I think this raises an important question, should you believe a Saudi Cleric with a grade four education and an IQ probably smaller than their shoe size simply because they are a Saudi Cleric?. You know I read about a cleric who liked to smoke pot and bugger little boys and he was in fact a cleric... so should you smoke pot and bugger little boys every chance you get just because he did?. Well no that is silly, in fact one could say stupid, so why should we believe any person in a position of authority may have more intelligence than a person who has devoted their life to finding unbiased facts?.


Personally I love facts because if you ever put me in a room with the Saudi Cleric in that video I would tear him apart piece by piece until he was crying like a fucking two year old school girl... not a problem. You see I don't care who he thinks he is, where he lives, what he believes or what he owns. Logic and reason are my tools and they are the ultimate equalizer because we can have a net worth of $2, believe almost nothing and be nobody yet walk into a room full of people and literally destroy any fucking credibility another person may think they have. I think that's pretty darn cool and you should be happy we will probably never meet in person. Because if we ever did meet in person my friend I would hope you are intelligent enough to know the outcome... for real.


So yes have fun with it, play your silly games and mix it up a bit... whatever starts your tractor.


AC



Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 08:58:49 AM
@GB

One little problem, the stars move across the horizon each night do they not?. Now if all objects appear to move slower as they get farther away which we know then all the stars farther away must move progressively faster than the ones closer as they all move across the horizon at the same speed. So either all the stars in the heavens billions upon billions of miles away move faster as they get further away just for your personal entertainment or the Earth is rotating. Now which do you think is more likely?.


So how exactly would all the stars move across the horizon each night as we obviously know they do with a flat non-rotating Earth?.

You obviously haven't read the thread.  There's a rotating dome above the stationary round flat earth and the stars are embedded into the dome, thus all the stars move across the horizon each night.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 09:14:22 AM

I think this raises an important question, should you believe a Saudi Cleric with a grade four education and an IQ probably smaller than their shoe size simply because they are a Saudi Cleric?. You know I read about a cleric who liked to smoke pot and bugger little boys and he was in fact a cleric... so should you smoke pot and bugger little boys every chance you get just because he did?. Well no that is silly, in fact one could say stupid, so why should we believe any person in a position of authority may have more intelligence than a person who has devoted their life to finding unbiased facts?.

Personally I love facts because if you ever put me in a room with the Saudi Cleric in that video I would tear him apart piece by piece until he was crying like a fucking two year old school girl... not a problem. You see I don't care who he thinks he is, where he lives, what he believes or what he owns. Logic and reason are my tools and they are the ultimate equalizer because we can have a net worth of $2, believe almost nothing and be nobody yet walk into a room full of people and literally destroy any fucking credibility another person may think they have. I think that's pretty darn cool and you should be happy we will probably never meet in person. Because if we ever did meet in person my friend I would hope you are intelligent enough to know the outcome... for real.

So yes have fun with it, play your silly games and mix it up a bit... whatever starts your tractor.

AC

If logic and reason are your tools and is the ultimate equalizer, then why the need for physical threats as shown in the bold text above?  ROFLMAO!!!  I must be doing something right. ;D  Intimidation and threats won't work with me!  You ballers really stoop low because you can't defend the globe and can't successfully refute the flat earth, so you resort to a cave man type of mentality.  ROFLMAO!  What ever floats your boat king kong (AC)...

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 09:26:30 AM
@GB

There you go little fella... doesn't that feel better getting that off your chest?. You may believe in a god and your believing somehow makes you not unlike a god relative to us non-believing filthy heathens.

I don't know why religious people try to hide their beliefs around normal folks and it always seems like their coming out of the closet or something. Maybe they are afraid they may lack credibility just because they believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days versus real facts. Why I knew a person who was pestering me about a lack of facts concerning free energy but apparently their belief in a bearded white dressed man-god wasn't a problem...WTF?.

You see in real life as in the here and now and stuff we can prove there should be some kind of equality. Not I happen to believe in imaginary things so I can just believe and do whatever the fuck I want without consequence because he/she/it is on my side. It just seems a little off-side, a little I'm a nut job and you have to accept it with a dash of schizo on the side.

AC

You (king kong) and a few others here have been trying to turn this topic into a religious discussion, which is against the forum rules.  It appears the intention is to get this thread locked or removed.  Regardless, it is you ballers that have been indoctrinated into believing a bunch of fairy tales, deceptions, and lies by NASA, TPTB, fake/false science, the educational system, the news media, hollywood, the music industry, etc.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 10:13:39 AM
Apparently it is difficult for many to comprehend just how massive
Planet Earth is.  Ten miles above its surface is minuscule compared
to the diameter of the Planet.  The altitude at which the gentle
curvature of the massive Planet is discernible is much, much higher
than that.

What Piccard saw from his balloon is very common and easily
explained by the Earth's atmosphere coupled with the enormous
size of our Home Planet.  The curvature is very, very gentle.

Webby, in reply #256, claims to have seen the curvature of the earth from planes, hot air balloons, from the top of mountains, and even out on the open ocean.  You claim the altitude at which the gentle curvature of the earth is discernible is much, much higher than a hot air balloon, top of mountains, and out on the open ocean.  Your claim and Webby's claims are contrary to each other!  You ballers are debunking yourselves, ROFLMAO!!!  You wouldn't need to reach an altitude which allows one to see the entire diameter of the planet in order to see a curvature of the earth as you falsely assert, LOL. The fact is, the curvature of the fake ball earth would be approximately 8 inches per mile squared, and this curvature would be very much discernible as seen over long distances, even out on the open ocean.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 10:23:31 AM
Now I shall reveal how SeaMonkey knows this...

Because he probably sailed completely around the globe (as have I) and
never fell off the edge.

 :)

"She again deployed to the Western Pacific and completed a second "Around-the-World" cruise in 1987."
  -- Wikipedia

You can also sail completely around the flat earth and never fall off the edge.  This is a no-brainer, lol.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 19, 2016, 10:34:45 AM
You obviously haven't read the thread.  There's a rotating dome above the stationary round flat earth and the stars are embedded into the dome, thus all the stars move across the horizon each night.

Gravock

Only someone who has never actually observed the sky and how stars appear to move could possibly make that statement. I really (almost) feel sorry for you.

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 19, 2016, 10:41:08 AM
Only someone who has never actually observed the sky and how stars appear to move could possibly make that statement. I really (almost) feel sorry for you.

That's a CGI photo, LOL.  Now, show me a real time lapse video of the star trails.  I know they exist, for real...so why reference a fake CGI photo?  I hope you realize the star trails is proof for a rotating dome over a stationary round flat earth!  Good night...

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: John.K1 on June 19, 2016, 11:36:38 AM
I think , this guy has figured it out :)  He has a brain!!! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Jp_XCvVto
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 19, 2016, 12:17:33 PM
That's a CGI photo, LOL.  Now, show me a real time lapse video of the star trails.  I know they exist, for real...so why reference a fake CGI photo?  I hope you realize the star trails is proof for a rotating dome over a stationary round flat earth!  Good night...

Gravock

You are so wrong it's not even funny. Explain how a star trail image taken in the Southern Hemisphere-- say from South Australia -- shows a center of rotation in the constellation Octans, but one taken in the Northern Hemisphere shows a center of rotation around (very near) the star Polaris.

The image I posted (but removed because I considered that you don't even deserve to see it) is NOT CGI. Here is the link to the page where the image is reproduced, with details of how it was taken.
http://www.astropix.com/HTML/I_ASTROP/TRIPOD/TRIPOD2.HTM
http://www.astropix.com/IMAGES/I_ASTROP/TRIPOD/METEORST.JPG
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[size=-1]The straight diagonal streak in the upper left of this photo is a meteor. The curved streaks are the trails of stars that were recorded during the 5.5 hour time exposure on a fixed tripod with an 18mm f/3.5 lens at ISO 64.

Star trails from Teide Observatory on Tenerife in the Canary Islands:
http://www.twanight.org/newTWAN/photos.asp?ID=3003972
Explain that with your "rotating dome" fantasy. Oh.... right.... you'll say it's CGI, another fake photo. It's useless even to argue with you because your response to anything that refutes you is "it's fake", in spite of any and all evidence. But I'll keep doing it anyway, not because I think you'll ever change, but just to watch you continue to put your foot in your mouth over and over.
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[/size][/font]A long exposure photo sequence with an ultra wide-angle lens has captured nearly an entire night over the Teide Observatory on the high slopes of Mount Teide, Tenerife, Canary islands. The Earth rotation appears in form of the rotating sky above us. Long exposure night-time images capture this motion in form of star trails around the celestial poles. Here the north celestial pole is on the left, marked by star Polaris, only a degree away from the north direction of the Earth rotation axis. On the right end star trails over the southern horizon are curved around the southern celestial pole (under the horizon of this northern hemisphere location). Juan Carlos Casado, Starryearth.com

You really need to do some studying and learn some real astronomy,  instead of filling your brain with all that bullshit "Flat Earth" nonsense.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 19, 2016, 12:25:50 PM
I think , this guy has figured it out :)  He has a brain!!! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Jp_XCvVto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Jp_XCvVto)

A brain made of oatmeal?

No amount of scientific reasoning or evidence can affect that attitude.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on June 19, 2016, 01:36:19 PM
A brain made of oatmeal?

No amount of scientific reasoning or evidence can affect that attitude.
The trouble is the idea was invented by Hitler's young Nazi's during the last WW  another disrupting idea was the Common market and globalisation  so much for the song the age of Aquarius. (happiness and understanding) all Paper hats of course.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on June 19, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
"Flat earth" is sooo old, it is "hollow earth":

http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html)

http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-hollow-earth-is-filled-with-giants-germans-and-a-little-sun (http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-hollow-earth-is-filled-with-giants-germans-and-a-little-sun)

http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html (http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html)


Chosen ones can go to inner earth, "flat earthers" have no chance to be chosen!

I am not allowed to tell you whether I have been to inner earth, it is a secret.


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 19, 2016, 04:45:55 PM
the intention is to get this thread locked or removed. 
Gravock

yes this thread must be locked and removed

gravko arrête ton délire redescend sur terre ( plate , carré ,  en losange ... )

peux tu expliquer ou se trouve le centre de gravité de la terre plate ?

si l'on applique les lois de la gravite avec ta pseudo terre plate on devrait tous ramper comme des serpents
pour pouvoir se déplacer !

donc le modèle standard de la physique ne fonctionne pas avec ta pseudo terre plate
aussi avant de continuer avec ton delirium tremens de terre plate présente un modèle  mathématique
compatible avec tes croyances d'un idioties incommensurables qui dégradent considérablement le niveau
de ce forum !

hi ! harti can you do something for him ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 06:08:25 PM
@GB
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If logic and reason are your tools and is the ultimate equalizer, then why the need for physical threats as shown in the bold text above?  ROFLMAO!!!  I must be doing something right. [/size]  Intimidation and threats won't work with me!  You ballers really stoop low because you can't defend the globe and can't successfully refute the flat earth, so you resort to a cave man type of mentality.  ROFLMAO!  What ever floats your boat king kong (AC)...


If logic and reason are my tools then why would you think I would make a physical threat which I did not?. I was always implying that when persons debate an issue face to face the outcome is generally very different. It is very easy to hide behind a group of people such as a religion or a computer screen in this forum but justifying a belief in person with only the facts face to face is a very different story.


Imagine you and I were on a stage debating this issue in front of hundreds of real people, you can't honestly believe you would have any credibility could you?. The same goes for your cleric and while he may seem smart to his followers most any Canadian high school science student could tear apart his argument limb from limb making him look pretty stupid in reality. Authority does not define the truth reality does.


I'm just saying reality is very different than the political/religious BS many try to peddle on the internet.


@Tagor
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yes this thread must be locked and removed


I would strongly disagree because your implying we should just do away with any debate simply because you do not agree with the subject matter. I think most are just irritated because GB's debating skills seem to be superior to most here even if the subject matter is ridiculous. My theory is that if you believe something then at the very least you should be able to justify it to others... such as open debate.

Burying your problems in a hole is not a real solution. We should confront our own demons not run and hide under the bed. Will people run and hide when others say Free Energy is just a scam?, will you block real debate against free energy or act like a responsible adult and defend your beliefs?.



AC
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 19, 2016, 06:39:58 PM
Gravock's "argument" boils down to "It's all faked" whenever anyone presents evidence against his claims. Whereas the "evidence" he presents in support is a mishmash of fails, misinterpretations and anecdotes and even outright lies. Show him images of stars in space.... it's fake, CGI. Astronauts: liars, every one of them from every country with a space program. Foucault Pendulum -- fake, little motors up there driving its rotation. Tell him about hundreds of thousands of computerized telescope mounts that can locate and track objects, software based on a spherical Earth.... they are all fake. Flights to and across the South Pole... fake, bunch of lies of course. How can you expect to actually have a debate under those circumstances? You could take him along with you in the Twin Otter on the rescue flight to the South Pole station and he'd explain it away by saying you did it all in some huge NASA simulator.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/emergency-rescue-launched-ill-worker-south-pole
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/06/16/a-rare-risky-mission-is-underway-to-rescue-sick-scientists-from-the-south-pole/
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: poynt99 on June 19, 2016, 06:43:10 PM
It's difficult for me to believe that this topic is even up for "discussion".  ::)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 19, 2016, 07:58:26 PM
It's difficult for me to believe that this topic is even up for "discussion".  ::)

That's exactly what I said many pages back.  It does not really bode well for the future of humanity does it?  There are many college kids in my town (a college town) that believe this crap.  Very sad really.
I have tried talking to a few of them but it is always..."But my professor said..."
I usually end the discussion by saying that their professor is an idiot, Which, of course, is true and provable.

Bill
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 08:02:53 PM
@Poynt99
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It's difficult for me to believe that this topic is even up for "discussion".


I find it very easy to believe and very interesting. Let's do a thought experiment, let's imagine billions of people embraced GB's belief that the Earth is flat and was "Created" by intelligent design.


Then maybe these billions of people who believe may start dictating government policy "forcing" their beliefs on me and the people I know. They might slowly start re-writing all the textbooks forcing their beliefs on our children, they might teach all our children their beliefs without question and deny other beliefs, they may force us to comply with their policy or laws due to their beliefs. Maybe abortion is outlawed even when people are raped by psychopaths, maybe people will have to endure years of pain and suffering because their imaginary Creator believes no one should take a life under any circumstances. Maybe they will preach tolerance but in effect teach bigotry, racism and inclusion in their own beliefs.


Maybe they may tell me I should not question their beliefs in the Created Flat Earth because it upsets them even though I find the fact they are in effect forcing their beliefs on me every day through their own actions very disturbing and upsetting. All they while they claim to be benign when in fact, in reality, they may do great harm to others solely because they personally believe in a Created Flat Earth.


It is an interesting thought experiment isn't it?, that so many could conceivably believe in GB's imaginary Created Flat Earth or "dome of bliss" and the very real effects their beliefs could have on all of us. Very interesting and somehow very familiar to many of us, in fact not really that far fetched at all.



AC
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 19, 2016, 08:11:13 PM
Such is the nature of the PsyOp.  They invariably reveal
the nearly unbelievable extent of gullibility which resides
in the minds of the masses. :'(

P.T. Barnum was absolutely correct. ::)

PsyOps are designed to evaluate the influence of Authority,
whether real or perceived, over the belief systems of the
targeted peoples. They are a test of Power over the Mind. :o

No, it does not bode well.  This deplorable "state of mind" has
been the goal of the Educational System unfortunately. :(

The War against Truth is getting hot.  Stand firm! 8)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on June 19, 2016, 08:45:51 PM
Yeah! only one way to get to the 'inner earth you talk about is down the Bush Roth rabbit hole ! and the sad part is we have people with sick minds ruling the planet and in control of devices that want to annihilate the planet ;)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: allcanadian on June 19, 2016, 09:51:49 PM
@Seamonkey
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Such is the nature of the [/size]PsyOp[/size].  They invariably reveal[/size]the nearly unbelievable extent of gullibility which residesin the minds of the masses.


Here is another thought experiment, what if GB is acting?, what if he is a psychology grad student and this thread his thesis. However what could he be studying, observing, documenting?. I have seen many people with many unproven beliefs jump in and condemn GB displaying their true intolerant nature... could this be it?. It would seem to me many here who claim to be oppressed, judged or ridiculed have resorted to the carnivorous behavior we tend see in places like the U.S.A or Iran where they tend to eat their own.


As if to say you have no right to judge me in any way and I will not tolerate it. However it is perfectly acceptable for me to judge you in any way I please and GB has been judged. Intolerance is defined as the unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own and it is alive and well here my friends.


Me I like to stir the pot every now and then to see what happens and it has been stirred and that which came from the bottom seems to have a certain foul stench about it. Burn the witch, burn the witch, close the thread, close it now, LOL, thank you gentlemen for displaying your true colors for all to see.


AC
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 19, 2016, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: AllCanadian
... what if GB is acting?

Interesting question.  It is no coincidence that all participants
in government operations are called "Actors." :o

There is much deception and propaganda at the root of nearly
all governmental actions upon the World Stage;  particularly so
with PsyOps. ::)

You are awake with open eyes AC.  Congratulations! ;)

Many of the PsyOp plans include "false flag" events which are
violent and bloody.
 (http://henrymakow.com/2016/06/santa-monica-patsy-refused-to-.html)
The Psychopaths in power are getting very, very desperate.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Dog-One on June 20, 2016, 01:12:30 AM
The other term used within private circles is:

"Change Agent"

Be wary of them.  They are not ones who wish to adopt your views.
They are only here to get you to conform to theirs, or at the very
least, to get you to waste your time entertaining their views/agenda.

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 20, 2016, 01:57:28 AM
Stationary Atmosphere Over A Flat Non Rotating Earth Mentioned In 1988 NASA Publication (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbI-EXF8uFc) (Video)

1988 NASA Publication (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf) (PDF Document)  <------Snapshots shown below for quick reference and convenience.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 20, 2016, 02:58:57 AM
Well now GB, it seems the PsyOp has been a long time
in development and evolution. :o

You may wish to enquire, however, about the purpose of
the Model and the Study you've referenced.  The Military
involves itself with all manner of studies and theoretical
scenarios for purposes of R&D.  Just in case one  day where
"No Man Has Yet Ventured" the crew of the Starship in question
encounters such a place. 8)

No Stone is Left Unturned...

And Yes, NASA is Military.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 20, 2016, 03:16:24 AM
Quote from: Dog-One
The other term used within private circles is:

"Change Agent"

Be wary of them.  They are not ones who wish to adopt your views.
They are only here to get you to conform to theirs, or at the very
least, to get you to waste your time entertaining their views/agenda.

Aye, you've said it well.  They are often engaged in exercises which
gauge the "compliance" of the intellectually astute.  Certain forums
are targeted more than others to narrow the information gathered.

It's a "sales technique" practiced universally - engage the victim and
prolong engagement with the goal of eventual overload fatigue followed
by capitulation.

They have no idea how they're being "played" and very little comprehension
of the PLAN and AGENDA which supports their lifestyle.  They're in it because
it offers a sense of Power by Association and it pays well.

It is very doubtful that GB is an "innocent sucker" who's being taken for a
ride...
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 20, 2016, 03:57:04 AM
Well now GB, it seems the PsyOp has been a long time
in development and evolution. :o

You may wish to enquire, however, about the purpose of
the Model and the Study you've referenced.  The Military
involves itself with all manner of studies and theoretical
scenarios for purposes of R&D.  Just in case one  day where
"No Man Has Yet Ventured" the crew of the Starship in question
encounters such a place.
8)

No Stone is Left Unturned...

And Yes, NASA is Military.

The publication specifically says "non rotating flat earth" and not a non rotating flat planet, thus the linear model isn't for the purpose of a future encounter with such a place.  Also, the publication says "the lack of documentation and, occasionally, understanding of the derivation of linear models is a hindrance to communication, training, and application".  If the earth is a rotating spherical globe, then why would communication, training, and applications be hindered due to a lack of documentation and understanding of the derivation of linear models?  It's because the earth is not rotating and is flat!!!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 20, 2016, 04:05:06 AM
Quote from: GB
The publication specifically says "non rotating flat earth"

Why, of course it does. :o

We are upon Planet Earth aren't we? ::)

There was an unpublished purpose for this "What if..."
Model and Study.  Acquire understanding of a Theoretical
Model then alter its lessons to fit our present reality.
It's known as Primacy.  Start Basic and grow into the
Complex.  Nothing in the least is strange about that... 8)

Plane Geometry is mastered before moving into Solid Geometry. ::)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 20, 2016, 04:48:33 AM
Why, of course it does. :o

We are upon Planet Earth aren't we? ::)

There was an unpublished purpose for this "What if..."
Model and Study.  Acquire understanding of a Theoretical
Model then alter its lessons to fit our present reality.
It's known as Primacy.  Start Basic and grow into the
Complex.  Nothing in the least is strange about that... 8)

Plane Geometry is mastered before moving into Solid Geometry. ::)

If the earth is a rotating spherical globe, then why would communication, training, and applications be hindered due to a lack of documentation and understanding of the derivation of a theoretical linear model for the flat non rotating earth?  It can only be because the true model is a linear model for the flat non rotating earth.  The linear models fit our present reality and isn't some theoretical rotating globe model that hinders communications, etc.!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 20, 2016, 07:27:55 AM



@Tagor

I would strongly disagree because your implying we should just do away with any debate simply because you do not agree with the subject matter. I think most are just irritated because GB's debating skills seem to be superior to most here even if the subject matter is ridiculous. My theory is that if you believe something then at the very least you should be able to justify it to others... such as open debate.

AC

can you realy debate with flat earther ?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-historic-experiment-shows-why-we-might-not-want-to-de-1627339811

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In 1870 a man proved that the Earth was round. He wasn't the first to prove it, and he wasn't even proving anything out of the mainstream. But that didn't keep a fanatic from spending the next 20 years ruining his life.

The Bedford Level Experiment

Alfred Russel Wallace spent much of the first half of the 1800s making a modest living as a surveyor. His income did not cover his many scientific pursuits (at which he showed great talent) or his few financial pursuits (at which he showed no talent at all). When he saw an announcement in Zetetic Astronomy pledging 500 pounds to the person who could prove the world was round, he thought it was easy money. The term "zetetic" is derived from a Greek word and means, roughly, "I will find out for myself." Finding out for oneself is great in theory. In practice, when people try to find things out for themselves they often make mistakes without realizing it.

When Wallace looked into the announcement in detail, he saw that one contributor to the publication, who went by the name of "Parallax," was making a lot of mistakes. The Old Bedford River had a six-mile drainage canal marked at each end by a bridge. The canal was so long and straight that, if the world were round, a boat at one end would not be visible to a boat on the other end. They would each be hidden from each other by the curve of the Earth. Parallax — whose real name was Samuel Rowbotham — often took people out on the water and showed them the boats at the other end of the canal. The world, therefore, was flat. Wallace had enough experience with surveying to know that density gradients in air, which are common just above water, can bend light back down towards the ground. Parallax and his guests were seeing a mirage.

If Rowbotham had been the one offering the money, Wallace might have claimed his prize without a problem. It didn't take Wallace long to come up with a better way of showing the curvature of the Earth. He would put a series of disks up on poles along the water. He would then stand on one bridge, and look back at the disks. If he was right, the disks towards the middle of the canal would look slightly higher than the rest of the disks, and the disk at the far end would look slightly lower. He would basically be putting dots along the canal that traced the curve of the Earth. When Wallace set the whole thing up he, his flat-Earth opponent, and their agreed-upon referee did see exactly what Wallace expected to see. The middle disk was slightly higher, and the far disk was slightly lower.

Sadly, it was not Rowbotham offering the cash. Instead, it was a nasty little psycho called John Hampden. Hampden saw what everyone else saw, but he also saw something else. He saw cross hairs on the telescope that the three were using to look at the disks. He saw that the middle disk was a certain distance below the cross hairs. And he saw that the far disk was that same distance below the middle signal. (So if the middle disk were a quarter inch below the cross hairs, the far disk was a quarter inch below the middle disk, and a half inch below the cross hairs.) For some reason, Hampden decided that this must mean that the disks were in a straight line, whether one appeared higher than the other or not. No one could convince him otherwise, including the referee, who consulted the actual makers of the telescope and surveying equipment just to make sure that Hampden's observation wasn't relevant. Not only did Hampden not accept the decision, he embarked on a 21-year campaign of harassment, threats, and libel that ruined Wallace's life.

The Fanatic's Revenge

First, Wallace was obliged to give back the money. Hampden, despite issuing the bet in the first place, took him to court and claimed that two people were not qualified to settle whether or not the world was round or flat. Hampden then started publishing insulting letters in publications. When he moved on to death threats, which he charmingly sent to Wallace's wife, he was put in prison. (Note to nutters: If you write, "If your infernal thief of a husband is brought home... with every bone in his head smashed to a pulp, you will know the reason," don't sign it with your own name.) Eventually the harassment became a cycle. Hampden would publish libelous claims and send Wallace threats. Wallace would take Hampden to court and Hampden would be forced to recant, briefly imprisoned, and barred from writing anything about Wallace for a few months. The day after the months were up, he'd be back at it.

It only ended with Hampden's death. His fellow flat-Earthers never changed their mind about his position, although to be fair some changed their mind in regards to Hampden's character. Wallace spent two decades fighting libelous claims and accruing court costs, and nearly went bankrupt. He even got some flack from the legitimate scientific community. A globular Earth was the mainstream view; few people had ever espoused the flat-Earth philosophy. Scientists felt like Wallace's acceptance of the challenge provided publicity for the fanatics.

There are still flat-Earthers today. There are any number of deniers, conspiracy theorists, and generalized nuts today. While, much of the time, a person who jumps into the fray and debates a subject honestly is a hero — there is plenty of history to show us that steering clear can be the wiser course. Being right, sometimes, isn't enough.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on June 20, 2016, 11:32:24 AM
The flat earth movement is controlled and financed by the rulers of hollow earth who also rule outer earth.

If you believe in flat earth you will never look for inner earth, and that is what is intended.

In inner earth there is an endless supply of diamonds and rare metals, which are used to pay the controlled ruling class of outer earth and of course the flat earthers.

Flat earhers are part of the controlled ruling class of outer earth, so, be careful.

The best way to hide a conspiracy (namely the ruling of planet earth from inner earth) is to propagate a false conspiracy (namely flat earth).


How to go to inner earth:

Just wait, if you are worthy, you will be invited in.

If you are a victim of the flat earth cobspiracy, you still might be invited in (in case your personality is right).

If you are an agent of "flat earth" you might come from inner earth (but of course, you would never admit it).

Most flat earth agents are not from inner earth, they are just servants of the ruling class.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 20, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
Conrad,

Probably not many will comprehend what you've written
but you have indeed captured the essence of the
AGENDA at work in our World in its Final Days.

No, the Planet will not be destroyed when The End
arrives.  Just the exceedingly wicked and evil system
of corruption and exploitation which has come to Rule
over the Planet.

Needless to say, those Bad Boys will not go down without
a fight; therefore a massive final battle is the PLAN.

Yes, those who have the Power know that their time is short.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: allcanadian on June 21, 2016, 09:18:37 AM
@tagor
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can you realy debate with flat earther ?


Metaphorically speaking yes and we do it nearly every day in regards to religion, politics, economics and science.


A majority of people believe in a god which created everything which uses nearly the same kind of false justification as flat earther's because they have never had any real proof in hand of anything. Why we may as well be debating whether a bigfoot riding a unicorn prefers western or side saddle?. Look at Donald Trump a narcissistic, bigot, racist, known to be a compulsive liar who may be the next president of the united states, a barbarian. If this isn't a very good indication that the flat earth mentality is alive and well in this day and age then what is?.


Look at economics and the fact 1% hold 99% of the worlds wealth and yet the common man champions capitalism and the mega corporation mentality. Why not just get down on your knee's and beg like a dog to be a slave because in effect that is exactly what is going to happen. Corporate monopolies have become the norm and they are growing so uhm... how exactly do you think this story is going to end my friend?. Then we have science and the pursuit of truth. However not unlike religion it can only be the truth if it is the same truth and not something different. Which is a way of saying they think it's great you have an opinion so long as it's the same as theirs otherwise you must be wrong or mentally challenged in some way.


So yes in a sense we debate with the knuckle dragging flat earther's every single day and most of them think their rocket scientists. They got it all figured out, all under control and nobody, nobody, is going to tell them any different. Me I'm fluid, I'm on the fence watching the spectacle of it all waiting for Rome to burn and burn it will.


We are Rome, http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-why-rome-fell.




AC



Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 21, 2016, 12:09:17 PM
@tagor

AC
yes there is a lot of flatearther , not only flat but also very empty
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: scratchrobot on June 21, 2016, 01:51:14 PM
I think the Earth is a cube!
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 22, 2016, 05:13:20 PM
The flat earth movement is controlled and financed by the rulers of hollow earth who also rule outer earth.

You ballers always invert the truth.  It's more like the globe PySop is controlled and financed by the globalists (TPTB).

If you believe in flat earth you will never look for inner earth, and that is what is intended.

You're wrongly implying the flat earth has no depth for it to also be hollow in order for there to be an inner earth.  The flat earth does have a thickness/depth to it, and it doesn't have to be completely solid as you falsely assert and imply.  Most people who refer to a flat earth is referring to the overall flatness on the surface of the earth, which means the surface of the earth has no curvature as we find in the globe model that is pushed by TPTB.  The round dome above the surface of the earth, along with the atmosphere between the dome and flat surface, could be regarded as a upper hemisphere, and the earth below the surface could be concave to form a lower hemisphere.  In this sense, both hemispheres taken together could be regarded as a globe, but this isn't the same globe model that has a curvature on the surface of the earth that has been pushed by TPTB for the last 500 years.  However, the earth below the surface doesn't necessarily have to be concave. In other-words, the bottom below the surface could also be flat as we find at the surface.

Flat earhers are part of the controlled ruling class of outer earth, so, be careful.

Another inversion of the truth.  It's more like the globalists (ballers) are part of the controlled ruling class of earth.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on June 22, 2016, 05:45:17 PM

Your wrongly implying the flat earth has no depth for it to also be hollow in order for there to be an inner earth.  The flat earth does have a thickness/depth to it, and it doesn't have to be completely solid as you falsely assert and imply.  Most people who refer to a flat earth is referring to the overall flatness on the surface of the earth, which means the surface of the earth has no curvature as we find in the globe model that is pushed by TPTB. The round dome above the surface of the earth, along with the atmosphere between the dome and surface, could be regarded as a upper hemisphere, and the earth below the surface could be concave to form a lower hemisphere.  In this sense, both hemispheres taken together could be regarded as a globe, but this isn't the same globe model that has a curvature on the surface of the earth that has been pushed by TPTB for the last 500 years.  However, the earth below the surface doesn't necessarily have to be concave. In other-words, the bottom below the surface could also be flat as we find at the surface.

Gravock

Wow, flat upper earth and flat inner earth. Double blasphemy! You will be hunted down by TPTB and the rulers from inner earth.

I have to consult inner earth about this! I will ask them to forgive you. It is strangely logical to go from the believe in flat earth to the believe in flat outer earth and flat inner earth. To err is human and you should not suffer for this.

There remains a question: If there is a "flat outer earth" and a "flat inner earth" and if the "flat thing" in-between has a thickness, there could be a "true inner earth in this flat thing"? What you call the "flat inner earth" could just be a "mirror outer earth"?

Look at the drawing which could depict the integrated whole truth. I am not saying that this is disclosure of the big secret, I just help you to see your errors of judgement. I want to save you.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 22, 2016, 06:29:58 PM
Wow, flat upper earth and flat inner earth. Double blasphemy! You will be hunted down by TPTB and the rulers from inner earth.

I have to consult inner earth about this! I will ask them to forgive you. It is strangely logical to go from the believe in flat earth to the believe in flat outer earth and flat inner earth. To err is human and you should not suffer for this.

There remains a question: If there is a "flat outer earth" and a "flat inner earth" and if the "flat thing" in-between has a thickness, there could be a "true inner earth in this flat thing"? What you call the "flat inner earth" could just be a "mirror outer earth"?

Look at the drawing which could depict the integrated whole truth. I am not saying that this is disclosure of the big secret, I just help you to see your errors of judgement. I want to save you.

Greetings, Conrad

You're helping me to see the errors of my judgement?  ROFLMAO!!!  It is you who asserted and implied that the flat earth must be completely solid with little to no relative depth to it, and not me!  You work through deception/lies and can't save anybody, not even yourself!!!  I'm looking forward in being hunted down...  ;D

Gravock 
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 22, 2016, 07:04:43 PM
Why don't we see any fake cgi images released by NASA of the oblate pear shaped earth as promoted by astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson (see first and second images below)?  The fake cgi images by NASA don't even show an oblate earth, but are perfectly round with the continents changing sizes, shapes, and positions over time (see third image below)!  ROFLMAO!!!  You balling globalists debunk yourselves at every turn, lol.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on June 22, 2016, 08:39:07 PM
It is you who asserted and implied that the flat earth must be completely solid with little to no relative depth to it, and not me!
Gravock


Well, may be the thin flat thing could be read into my revelations (by a mean spirited reader), but I wanted to say that I would go for "inner earth" instead of "flat earth" if I had to choose.


There are aliens connected with the inner earth stories


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_52.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_52.htm)


And the flatties (flat earth believers) have no aliens, which is really un-cool.


Every good conspiracy needs aliens or it is just flat. If the tall tale has aliens and OU it would be even better. And the inner earth stories contain many amazing energy sources and devices, even teleportation. Can any flatty compete with that?


So, if I want strange, if I want weird, if I want to conspire, I would go for inner earth and its aliens and its far out technology and resources. As an avid follower I would go for a winner.


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 23, 2016, 07:09:03 PM
Why don't we see any fake cgi images released by NASA of the oblate pear shaped earth as promoted by astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson (see first and second images below)?  The fake cgi images by NASA don't even show an oblate earth, but are perfectly round with the continents changing sizes, shapes, and positions over time (see third image below)!  ROFLMAO!!!  You balling globalists debunk yourselves at every turn, lol.

Gravock

Actually, you betray your own ignorance and gullibility with every post you make. The Earth deviates from a true sphere by slightly less than 1 part in 300. There is no way that you could even see that deviation on images like you have posted.

And it may be clear _even to you_ that images of the Earth taken at different times of the day, by different satellites in different positions, using different satellite imaging systems, color-processed by different people and copy-pasted and altered nobody knows how many times before they appear in your silly posts.... would look different.

You have presented YET ANOTHER utter fail, which not only does not support your silly contentions but also reveals your utter ignorance of photography, satellite imaging systems, geography and logical thought. Congratulations!

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The simplest model for the shape of the entire Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth) is a sphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphere). The Earth's radius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius) is the distance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance) from Earth's center to its surface, about 6,371 kilometers (3,959 mi). While "radius" normally is a characteristic of perfect spheres, the Earth deviates from a perfect sphere by only a third of a percent, sufficiently close to treat it as a sphere in many contexts and justifying the term "the radius of the Earth".
The concept of a spherical Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth) dates back to around the 6th century BC,[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth#cite_note-2) but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC. The first scientific estimation of the radius of the earth was given by Eratosthenes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes) about 240 BC, with estimates of the accuracy of Eratosthenes’s measurement ranging from 2% to 15%.
The Earth is only approximately spherical, so no single value serves as its natural radius. Distances from points on the surface to the center range from 6,353 km to 6,384 km (3,947 – 3,968 mi). Several different ways of modeling the Earth as a sphere each yield a mean radius of 6,371 kilometers (3,959 mi). Regardless of the model, any radius falls between the polar minimum of about 6,357 km and the equatorial maximum of about 6,378 km (3,950 – 3,963 mi). The difference 21 kilometers (13 mi) correspond to the polar radius being approximately 0.3% shorter than the equator radius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth



The difference is about the same, proportionally, as the difference between the thickness of the skin of an apple, and the entire diameter of the apple. Not something you are going to be able to detect on any ordinary-sized photograph.



Got any more silly interpretations and false claims about real data? Keep them coming, you are definitely low-hanging fruit, easy to pick off.

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 24, 2016, 07:08:13 PM
Actually, you betray your own ignorance and gullibility with every post you make. The Earth deviates from a true sphere by slightly less than 1 part in 300. There is no way that you could even see that deviation on images like you have posted.

And it may be clear _even to you_ that images of the Earth taken at different times of the day, by different satellites in different positions, using different satellite imaging systems, color-processed by different people and copy-pasted and altered nobody knows how many times before they appear in your silly posts.... would look different.

You have presented YET ANOTHER utter fail, which not only does not support your silly contentions but also reveals your utter ignorance of photography, satellite imaging systems, geography and logical thought. Congratulations!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth)

The difference is about the same, proportionally, as the difference between the thickness of the skin of an apple, and the entire diameter of the apple. Not something you are going to be able to detect on any ordinary-sized photograph.

Got any more silly interpretations and false claims about real data? Keep them coming, you are definitely low-hanging fruit, easy to pick off.

Well, let's look at a fake camera image of the full earth released by NASA during the fake Apollo 16 mission (first image below), and not some theoretical models on the figure of the earth, as shown on wikepedia.  This image of the full Earth released by NASA sure does deviate from a true sphere by more than 1 part in 300 and is easily detectable in the image!!!  Like I said before, the images of the earth as released by NASA aren't consistent with one another.  It's very obvious this image is not a photo taken with a hand-held Hasselblad camera, but is a composite, cropped and mashed together image (second image below). The fact that the cropping actually follows the supposed 'Earth shadow' shows that it was cropped - to make it look like there is a shadow there. Why would NASA do that? It makes no logical sense that anyone would crop an image in this way, if it was a genuine photo.   The image on NASA's site is now different (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/a16_h_118_18885.html) (third image below).  NASA changed the original fake cropped image (first image below) after this video showing the cropping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEn98NAC6ak)  (second image below) was uploaded.  However, the image on the web archive (https://web.archive.org/web/19961022213439/http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/a16_h_118_18885.html) (first image below) still shows the old cropped image.

NASA admits the images are computer generated (CGI) from their so-called satellite data into a globe earth composite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9FwNz7Ntw) (video).  Their so-called satellite data is also fake!!!  So, if your reason for believing the earth is nearly a spherical globe was that you have seen thousands of pictures of the earth, then you better think again!  You globalists are being bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing a fairy tale.  You globalists are so gullible and so easily deceived into believing a lie.  ROFLMAO!!!
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 25, 2016, 06:35:26 AM
Well, let's look at a fake camera image of the full earth released by NASA during the fake Apollo 16 mission (first image below), and not some theoretical models on the figure of the earth, as shown on wikepedia.  This image of the full Earth released by NASA sure does deviate from a true sphere by more than 1 part in 300 and is easily detectable in the image!!!  Like I said before, the images of the earth as released by NASA aren't consistent with one another.  It's very obvious this image is not a photo taken with a hand-held Hasselblad camera, but is a composite, cropped and mashed together image (second image below). The fact that the cropping actually follows the supposed 'Earth shadow' shows that it was cropped - to make it look like there is a shadow there. Why would NASA do that? It makes no logical sense that anyone would crop an image in this way, if it was a genuine photo.   The image on NASA's site is now different (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/a16_h_118_18885.html) (third image below).  NASA changed the original fake cropped image (first image below) after this video showing the cropping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=4a487c15-6812-4d11-98a5-cc49d7524033&feature=cards&src_vid=qR9FwNz7Ntw&v=wyRbc28PSrI)  (second image below) was uploaded.  However, the image on the web archive (https://web.archive.org/web/19961022213439/http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/a16_h_118_18885.html) (first image below) still shows the old cropped image.

NASA admits the images are computer generated (CGI) from their so-called satellite data into a globe earth composite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9FwNz7Ntw) (video).  Their so-called satellite data is also fake!!!  So, if your reason for believing the earth is nearly a spherical globe was that you have seen thousands of pictures of the earth, then you better think again!  You globalists are being bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing a fairy tale.  You globalists are so gullible and so easily deceived into believing a lie.  ROFLMAO!!!

None of the NASA Photographs or footage of the Earth is real. Robert Simmons, a Data Visualiser and Information Designer for NASA freely admits that all the still images of Earth from space, (including his creation of the recent ‘Blue Marble' image), are simply composite images and not real photographs.  Check it out for yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=4a487c15-6812-4d11-98a5-cc49d7524033) (video).  The video has rare audio of NASA's Robert Simmons as he explains using photo shop on earth pics. None of the pictures have ever been real.  All pictures of the globe earth are null x void!!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 25, 2016, 06:57:01 AM
Got any more silly interpretations and false claims about real data? Keep them coming, you are definitely low-hanging fruit, easy to pick off.

Real data comes from real photographs, and not from fake computer generated images taken from fake virtual satellite data!  You have the process completely backwards and inverted as always.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 25, 2016, 07:24:57 AM
Real data comes from real photographs, and not fake computer generated images from fake virtual satellite data!  You have the process completely backwards and inverted as always.

Gravock

No, it is you who continue to show your ignorance and lack of reasoning ability. Just as I have said, you simply deny the validity of any evidence against your silly claims.

In the first place, there is really no such thing as a "real photograph" of astronomical objects from satellites, or even earth-bound telescopes.
Modern satellites do not use film cameras and the images aren't developed at your local one-hour photo service! When an imaging system with
a narrow field of view is used to make an image of a larger object, multiple images are stitched together into a mosaic. Each individual image
is processed in various ways, and the final image is further processed to make a resulting overall image. This does NOT mean that the image is faked!
(Of course to YOU it does, since all data that refutes you is faked, according to you.) 

For example look at my own Lunar image attached below. This is a 5-frame mosaic. The original images of parts of the nearly-full Moon were taken
with a Canon Xti DSLR camera-- NOT a film camera. This camera uses an electronic sensor to capture photons of light. The charges on the pixels
of the sensor are then converted to something that the human eye can interpret as an image -- brightness levels of individual pixels. Then I take
the raw digital data from the camera and process it in various ways to enhance contrast, adjust color values, sharpness and etc. using a program
called PixInsight. Then the individual partial frames are matched and stitched together by another program called nip2. Then the overall full image is
once again adjusted and smoothed using PixInsight again, and further sharpened and resized by another program called gimp, which is essentially
a free PhotoShop. Then the _bits_ of data which represent the image are uploaded, stored, presented to you, then you see them through another
program which displays them on your screen. That program makes further guesses and alterations before presenting it to the software that shows
it to you, and your monitor alters it even further, based on your local settings for brightness, contrast, color temperature, and etc.
 
So does all of this "prove" that the image is not an image of the real Moon, taken from my backyard by me, and which "looks like" the real, actual Moon?
According to your weak minded attempts at reasoning, it's not a "real photograph" and therefore is fake. Oh... wait a minute.... I almost forgot... 
the Moon itself is faked, isn't it!!!

In the second place, you are rather inconsistent in your ramblings. NASA and all the other space agencies and telescope operators all around the world --
or all "across" the flat world according to you -- are smart enough to manufacture and continue this worldwide conspiracy but aren't smart enough to
make images that are consistent with your weak ideas of what a "real photograph" should look like.

I laugh out loud at your ignorance and feeble, futile attempts to bolster your fake theory with your made-up "facts" and misinterpreted out-of-context quotes.

(Image uploaded at full resolution on purpose, to show the detail and smoothness of the mosaic process.)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: hoptoad on June 25, 2016, 08:32:36 AM
None of the NASA Photographs or footage of the Earth is real. Robert Simmons, a Data Visualiser and Information Designer for NASA freely admits that all the still images of Earth from space, (including his creation of the recent ‘Blue Marble' image), are simply composite images and not real photographs.  Check it out for yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=4a487c15-6812-4d11-98a5-cc49d7524033) (video).  The video has rare audio of NASA's Robert Simmons as he explains using photo shop on earth pics. None of the pictures have ever been real.  All pictures of the globe earth are null x void!!

Gravock
So all the 'photographs' on actual photographic film that were taken by the early astronauts with hand held cameras are also fake. Got it.
Now I'm off to find my tinfoil hat.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on June 25, 2016, 08:54:51 AM
So if the earth is flat,and the stars are moving across the sky(from our perspective),then this flat earth must be spinning-right?
So it would be a must that you stay close to the center of this spinning mass,as the closer we get to the edge,the higher the risk of being flung of out into space ;D

Oh i remember those days ,in the playground,on the high speed merry-go-round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWxwG7mato

Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: LibreEnergia on June 26, 2016, 08:57:18 AM
If all the known equations of physics are rendered in conformally invariant form (which is possible) then it is also possible to mathematically turn the universe 'inside out'.

Instead being on the outside of a sphere and held there by some mysterious force of attraction between masses (gravity) we'd simply be on the inside of the sphere held there by centripetal force. Everything would function as expected, no laws of physics would be broken and we'd be none the wiser that we'd been perceiving the universe the universe the wrong way round...
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 11:51:30 AM
No, it is you who continue to show your ignorance and lack of reasoning ability. Just as I have said, you simply deny the validity of any evidence against your silly claims.

In the first place, there is really no such thing as a "real photograph" of astronomical objects from satellites, or even earth-bound telescopes.
Modern satellites do not use film cameras and the images aren't developed at your local one-hour photo service! When an imaging system with
a narrow field of view is used to make an image of a larger object, multiple images are stitched together into a mosaic. Each individual image
is processed in various ways, and the final image is further processed to make a resulting overall image. This does NOT mean that the image is faked!
(Of course to YOU it does, since all data that refutes you is faked, according to you.) 

For example look at my own Lunar image attached below. This is a 5-frame mosaic. The original images of parts of the nearly-full Moon were taken
with a Canon Xti DSLR camera-- NOT a film camera. This camera uses an electronic sensor to capture photons of light. The charges on the pixels
of the sensor are then converted to something that the human eye can interpret as an image -- brightness levels of individual pixels. Then I take
the raw digital data from the camera and process it in various ways to enhance contrast, adjust color values, sharpness and etc. using a program
called PixInsight. Then the individual partial frames are matched and stitched together by another program called nip2. Then the overall full image is
once again adjusted and smoothed using PixInsight again, and further sharpened and resized by another program called gimp, which is essentially
a free PhotoShop. Then the _bits_ of data which represent the image are uploaded, stored, presented to you, then you see them through another
program which displays them on your screen. That program makes further guesses and alterations before presenting it to the software that shows
it to you, and your monitor alters it even further, based on your local settings for brightness, contrast, color temperature, and etc.
 
So does all of this "prove" that the image is not an image of the real Moon, taken from my backyard by me, and which "looks like" the real, actual Moon?
According to your weak minded attempts at reasoning, it's not a "real photograph" and therefore is fake. Oh... wait a minute.... I almost forgot... 
the Moon itself is faked, isn't it!!!

In the second place, you are rather inconsistent in your ramblings. NASA and all the other space agencies and telescope operators all around the world --
or all "across" the flat world according to you -- are smart enough to manufacture and continue this worldwide conspiracy but aren't smart enough to
make images that are consistent with your weak ideas of what a "real photograph" should look like.

I laugh out loud at your ignorance and feeble, futile attempts to bolster your fake theory with your made-up "facts" and misinterpreted out-of-context quotes.

(Image uploaded at full resolution on purpose, to show the detail and smoothness of the mosaic process.)

Yes, it's a "real photograph" of a "real image" of the moon in 3D space.  Why can't NASA release some nice photos of the earth like you did with the moon?  Oh, and your moon photo is consistent with other moon photos taken by other people, which is something NASA isn't able to do either.  You can even photograph the so-called Milky Way with a Smartphone (http://www.lonelyspeck.com/photographing-the-milky-way-with-a-smartphone/).  Some Smartphones have better sensor technology than what you’ll find in your DSLR or mirror-less camera.  However, NASA isn't taking real photographs of real images in 3D space.  They're using fake data from fake satellites to create a computer generated image (CGI) of a fake image in 3D space.  They also like to use the cloning tool to paint the clouds.   For example, an unusual anomaly appears on one of NASA’s composite images of the Earth (first image below).  If you flip the image upside-down, you can see what looks strikingly like the word “s.e.x” written across a significant portion of the fake globe.  Step 1, download this image from NASA’s website (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasa.gov%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fthumbnails%2Fimage%2F187_1003705_americas_dxm.png&t=OWE2NGUzMjUzYWNhYTM2MGFjMTlhYWQ5YmFkNmI1MTNiZDk4NzdhNSxPbkxVRU55UA%3D%3D).  Step 2, flip the fake image upside-down.  Step 3, look at the top right corner of the flipped image.  Step 4, observe what looks suspiciously like the word “s.e.x” plastered over the Earth’s atmosphere.  Step 5, reassure yourself that this is merely a coincidence and that NASA, a federal agency that receives around $18 billion of tax funding every year, would never deceive the public under any circumstance.

“It’s physically impossible for any NASA pictures to be manipulated,” says The Coincidence Theorist. “I imagine this is just a naturally-occurring cloud formation. Clearly-formed words spanning hundreds of miles must randomly materialize all the time. Coincidentally, I took this picture (second image below) on the very same day from my own back yard" (Taken from The Coincidence Theorist, nothing to see here (http://thecoincidencetheorist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Cloud-BS.jpg))!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 12:25:22 PM
So if the earth is flat,and the stars are moving across the sky(from our perspective),then this flat earth must be spinning-right?

You're working under the wrong assumptions.  It is the sky (dome) that is rotating, and not the earth. 

All telescopes Are OVERRATED TOYS, Another BIG Misconception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rebk4WsZo6A) (video).   The fact that the distances to stars are based on the assumption that the earth is moving 186,000,000 miles in half a year, is the basis for generating parallax baseline measurements.  If the Earth is NOT moving (and no experimental evidence suggests that it is), then it's completely screwing up all conventional distance measurements.  In other-words, what we are told about the universe, stars, planets and distance is B.S.!  Telescopes are very limited, in fact all of them.  It was demonstrated that the capacity of a large telescope to see the distant stars has been overestimated.  The result of this calculation indicates that a very large telescope, such as the Hubble (SOFIA), enables observers to see only 357.14 times farther than the naked eye, pointing to wide ranging implications regarding many theories related to size and distances of stars and the so-called galaxies.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 01:35:57 PM
So if the earth is flat,and the stars are moving across the sky(from our perspective),then this flat earth must be spinning-right?
So it would be a must that you stay close to the center of this spinning mass,as the closer we get to the edge,the higher the risk of being flung of out into space ;D

Oh i remember those days ,in the playground,on the high speed merry-go-round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWxwG7mato (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWxwG7mato)


Brad

You're debunking the fake globe model and don't even realize it!  You should refer to the video on rim velocity and the Machinery's Handbook, which was previously posted.  It's the fake globe that is rotating, and not the non-rotating flat earth!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 26, 2016, 01:50:21 PM
So all the 'photographs' on actual photographic film that were taken by the early astronauts with hand held cameras are also fake. Got it.
Now I'm off to find my tinfoil hat.

You mean the photographs on actual photographic film that was taken in a Hollywood basement?  Wow, the fairy tales told by NASA really has a stronghold on the globalists...!!!   

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 26, 2016, 03:19:09 PM

bla bla ...

Gravock

can you stop bullshit ...

yes the earth is flat !
and you have to give a mathematic model for YOUR FLAT EARTH or  stop spamming this forum !
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 26, 2016, 03:22:28 PM
You're working under the wrong assumptions.  It is the sky (dome) that is rotating, and not the earth. 

All telescopes Are OVERRATED TOYS, Another BIG Misconception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rebk4WsZo6A) (video).   The fact that the distances to stars are based on the assumption that the earth is moving 186,000,000 miles in half a year, is the basis for generating parallax baseline measurements.  If the Earth is NOT moving (and no experimental evidence suggests that it is), then it's completely screwing up all conventional distance measurements.  In other-words, what we are told about the universe, stars, planets and distance is B.S.!  Telescopes are very limited, in fact all of them.  It was demonstrated that the capacity of a large telescope to see the distant stars has been overestimated.  The result of this calculation indicates that a very large telescope, such as the Hubble (SOFIA), enables observers to see only 357.14 times farther than the naked eye, pointing to wide ranging implications regarding many theories related to size and distances of stars and the so-called galaxies.

Gravock

Once again your post demonstrates that you are completely ignorant about astronomy. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you how telescopes _actually_ work to allow very deep observations into intergalactic space. You'll just claim that my own photographs of galaxies millions of light-years away are "fake".

Hint: magnification and resolving power do not determine how far a telescope can see! 

How very clever it is for NASA to put up things on the "sky dome" that are so very dim that it takes hours of exposure time to get them to show up, right where all the star atlases says they will be, even to the merest amateur astronomer like me! 







Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 26, 2016, 04:20:22 PM
You're working under the wrong assumptions.  It is the sky (dome) that is rotating, and not the earth. 

You still need to explain the star-trails image I posted, taken from the Canary Islands, that shows _two_ centers of rotation, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise, at the same time. Your "rotating sky dome" model is an ignorant fantasy, nothing more, and does not fit the actual facts of observation.

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All telescopes Are OVERRATED TOYS, Another BIG Misconception (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rebk4WsZo6A) (video).


What an utter facepalm bunch of ignorant garbage that video is!   

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The fact that the distances to stars are based on the assumption that the earth is moving 186,000,000 miles in half a year, is the basis for generating parallax baseline measurements. 


Not even that is quite true. The _diameter_ of the Earth's orbit is approximately 186 million miles, but since the Earth is _moving_ along the orbital curve it is actually _moving_ much further than that.  It is true that the diameter distance is the baseline for astronomical parallax measurements.

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If the Earth is NOT moving (and no experimental evidence suggests that it is),

That's a total lie. There is plenty of experimental evidence that the Earth is indeed moving, and for you to assert otherwise once again shows two things: you are ignorant of observational astronomy, and you will simply deny the validity of any and all evidence that refutes your idiotic contentions.

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then it's completely screwing up all conventional distance measurements.  In other-words, what we are told about the universe, stars, planets and distance is B.S.! 

That doesn't even follow, even if it were the case that your garbage "theory" were true. Parallax is only good out to a certain distance; further than that and the parallax becomes too small to be useful as a distance measurement. Other measures are then used to estimate the distances further out, like "standard candles" such as the observed brightness of Cepheid variable stars or certain types of supernovae. Yes, these distances are estimates, based on extrapolations of observations of closer objects, and the physics of electromagnetic radiation, etc. The mileage (or kilometerage) indicated on your car's odometer is also an estimate, based on the diameter of your tires, the gear ratio of your transmission, and other imperfectly known values.

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Telescopes are very limited, in fact all of them.


Yes, that is true, but not in the way that your silly linked video claims. Or rather, the video and your "reasoning" leave out some very important facts of astronomical observation.
The fact that telescopes are limited is the reason why they are constantly being improved, and why various different types of telescopes exist and are being used every day to improve our _real_ understanding of the the universe around us. Visible light telescopes are only a small part of the armoury of astronomical observation tools. Your bogus "theory" of conspiracy and flat earth does an enormous disservice to the legions of astronomers, astrophysicists, other scientists and technicians who are contributing to this effort. Fortunately, you mean nothing to them and they will continue working to expand our knowledge, while laughing out loud at ignorant, lying videos like the one you posted.

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 It was demonstrated that the capacity of a large telescope to see the distant stars has been overestimated.  The result of this calculation indicates that a very large telescope, such as the Hubble (SOFIA), enables observers to see only 357.14 times farther than the naked eye, pointing to wide ranging implications regarding many theories related to size and distances of stars and the so-called galaxies.

Gravock

Wrong. Nothing of the sort was demonstrated. Actually what that video demonstrates is another prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, where a little bit of incomplete knowledge is used to come to utterly wrong conclusions which are then "taught" to even more ignorant, gullible people like yourself.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 26, 2016, 09:19:00 PM
Well said TinK!

One can only wonder why Gravity Block is so fatally attracted
to the Flat Earth PsyOp.  What could possibly be the incentive
for toeing the Flat Earth Line?

For most who have fallen for the Flat Earth PsyOp, it seems to
be the ability to identify by association with those who presently
have power over the nations.  Taking the "Mark" as it were, to
demonstrate loyalty to the Elites.

What a shame it is.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: wattsup on June 27, 2016, 01:35:25 AM
Here is my theory of the only way a Flat Earth is possible. hahahahaha
Yep, out of the box. (or globe I should say).
http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=688.msg2331#msg2331
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 27, 2016, 03:55:08 AM
Here is my theory of the only way a Flat Earth is possible. hahahahaha
Yep, out of the box. (or globe I should say).
http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=688.msg2331#msg2331 (http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=688.msg2331#msg2331)

In the globe model, gravity is needed for such things as satellites, the solar system, etc.  In the flat earth model, gravity is nothing more than density.  Anything heavier than air will fall, and anything lighter than air will rise.  The properties of one model doesn't necessarily mean they apply to another model.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 27, 2016, 04:45:02 AM
Once again your post demonstrates that you are completely ignorant about astronomy. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you how telescopes _actually_ work to allow very deep observations into intergalactic space. You'll just claim that my own photographs of galaxies millions of light-years away are "fake".

Hint: magnification and resolving power do not determine how far a telescope can see! 

How very clever it is for NASA to put up things on the "sky dome" that are so very dim that it takes hours of exposure time to get them to show up, right where all the star atlases says they will be, even to the merest amateur astronomer like me!

There is no other way to get a distance for the sun other than Eratosthenes' stick experiment (first image below). Just looking at it from a single point on earth will not tell you its distance, you must look at it from several points and account for the curvature or non-curvature of the distance between those points.  In his experiment, Eratosthenes assumes that the earth is a globe and that the sun is very far away in his computations for the size of the earth and the distance to the sun (~93,000,000 miles away). However, if we use his data with the assumption that the earth is flat, we come up with a different calculation for the distance of the sun, showing it to be close to the earth (~2,000 miles away).  If we move from Florida to Pennsylvania, our distance from the sun on the flat earth increases by about 30%.  The sun's distance changes according to the model of the earth we assume for the experiment.

In your following post (reply #324), you said "Yes, these distances are estimates, based on extrapolations of observations of closer objects, and the physics of electromagnetic radiation, etc.  As you can see from the above paragraph, the distance of close objects, such as the sun, depends on the correct model of the earth.  If the correct model isn't used to determine the proper distance of the closer objects, then the further objects will be wildly inflated in regards to their distance.  I hate to bust your bubble, but you're not taking photographs of galaxies millions of light years away.  You live in a fantasy world if you think otherwise!

"On March 21-22 the sun is directly overhead at the equator and appears 45 degrees above the horizon at 45 degrees north and south latitude. As the angle of sun above the earth at the equator is 90 degrees while it is 45 degrees at 45 degrees north or south latitude, it follows that the angle at the sun between the vertical from the horizon and the line from the observers at 45 degrees north and south must also be 45 degrees. The result is two right angled triangles with legs of equal length. The distance between the equator and the points at 45 degrees north or south is approximately 3,000 miles. Ergo, the sun would be an equal distance above the equator".  -- Thomas Winship, author of Zetetic Cosmogony.

Modern Mechanics describes how on a Flat Earth the sun can be computed to 3,000 miles via triangulation, whereas on a globe earth those same angles can calculate the sun to nearly 93 million miles away (second image below).

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 27, 2016, 05:18:23 AM
Eratosthenes' model depends on the assumption that the earth is a globe and that the sun is far away and therefore produces parallel rays of light all over the earth.

Mainstream science has sought to explain away crepuscular rays of the sun (see first image below) that are extremely damaging to the heliocentric model, as just the result of a visual phenomenon known as linear perspective. The problem is... perspective can't explain these rays.  This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ppPXChyTo) (second image below) shows that the very perspective they invoke to try and save the heliocentric model from these damaging crepuscular rays actually indicts the heliocentric model as a fraud

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 27, 2016, 05:26:21 AM
You still need to explain the star-trails image I posted, taken from the Canary Islands, that shows _two_ centers of rotation, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise, at the same time. Your "rotating sky dome" model is an ignorant fantasy, nothing more, and does not fit the actual facts of observation.

What an utter facepalm bunch of ignorant garbage that video is!   

The below quote is taken from the video description as found in my previous post.

"There is no southern pole star. What folks are seeing when they look south is a perspective produced counter rotation. For example: If you are at the north pole, polaris will be directly overhead and all the stars will be rotating around it - and the stars just above the horizon will do a big circle around you staying parallel to the horizon, right?... I don't know how much you know about perspective, but notice how the clouds will angle down towards YOUR horizon THE FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU THEY ARE. Keep this in mind. The further south you go... Polaris will get lower and lower in the northern sky FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. Let's say you go far enough south that Polaris is on your horizon... the surrounding stars that were rotating around you at the north pole would now be rising in the east and setting in the west. And if you look to the south, you will see a counter rotation DUE TO PERPSECTIVE. This is tough to understand, I get that. Think about it for a while..."

You photographing galaxies that are millions of light years away is an ignorant fantasy based on a fairy tale as told by NASA and TPTB!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 27, 2016, 05:35:35 AM
can you stop bullshit ...

yes the earth is flat !
and you have to give a mathematic model for YOUR FLAT EARTH or  stop spamming this forum !

NASA has given us the mathematical linear model for the stationary atmosphere over a flat non-rotating Earth as mentioned in a 1988 NASA Publication (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf).  In addition to this, the mathematics and geometry has been given to calculate the proper distance the sun is from the surface of the flat earth.  In other-words, it is you who is spamming this forum with B.S, and not me!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 27, 2016, 05:43:48 AM
Well said TinK!

One can only wonder why Gravity Block is so fatally attracted
to the Flat Earth PsyOp.  What could possibly be the incentive
for toeing the Flat Earth Line?

For most who have fallen for the Flat Earth PsyOp, it seems to
be the ability to identify by association with those who presently
have power over the nations.  Taking the "Mark" as it were, to
demonstrate loyalty to the Elites.

What a shame it is.

TinK is in a quagmire.  The more he tries to get out of it, the more he sinks into it.  Let's watch TinK completely SinK as he continues to perpetuate the lies and deceptions of the globalist elite.

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 07:25:42 AM
NASA has given us the mathematical linear model for the stationary atmosphere over a flat non-rotating Earth as mentioned in a 1988 NASA Publication (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf).  In addition to this, the mathematics and geometry has been given to calculate the proper distance the sun is from the surface of the flat earth.  In other-words, it is you who is spamming this forum with B.S, and not me!

Gravock


can you stop your bullshit and stop spamming this form !

do you use the relativity general or give me your model or leave this forum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity

where is the center of mas of the flat earth ? we are not snake !!
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 07:33:43 AM

bla bla ...

Gravock

stop spamming

how can you proof flat earth with this pic ?
this pic is a proof of your big stupidity
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on June 27, 2016, 08:04:48 AM
stop spamming

how can you proof flat earth with this pic ?
this pic is a proof of your big stupidity

The rays from a sun which is 93 million miles away will produce parallel rays of light all over the earth.  Does the rays in the pic appear to be parallel?  No, thus the sun's distance as calculated on the globe model is wrong, and the crepuscular rays of light is evidence of the sun moving around the flat earth at ~3,000 miles away.  Once again, this is a no-brainer!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 08:19:02 AM

bla bla ...

Gravock

this pick can not proof flat earth but

can proof you are wrong explaining crescend moon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase)

this pic proof also your stupidity , stop spamming !!
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on June 27, 2016, 08:25:57 AM
Hi gravityblock, are you sure the sun is that far away, just looking at the pic you posted, sure seems closer than that.
peace love light
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 08:44:51 AM
The rays from a sun which is 93 million miles away will produce parallel rays of light all over the earth.  Does the rays in the pic appear to be parallel?  No, thus the sun's distance as calculated on the globe model is wrong, and the crepuscular rays of light is evidence of the sun moving around the flat earth at ~3,000 miles away.  Once again, this is a no-brainer!

Gravock

stop spamming and get basic physics

your reasoning proof your stupidity  .... where is your standard model for flat earth ? or leave this forum
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
Hi gravityblock, are you sure the sun is that far away, just looking at the pic you posted, sure seems closer than that.
peace love light

yes with the proof of flatearthers the sun is 5 km above the flat earth ...
and every body can touch the sun
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
with your flat earth can you explain the vendeeglobe ?

http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/

can you explain the real time tracking of the vendeeglobe

http://tracking2012.vendeeglobe.org/fr/

without satelite can you explain the fonctioning of argos ?

can you calculate the speed of the sailing boats in the south pole ?

can you explain the reception of  the argos detress signal in the midle of pacific ocean without satelite ?

can you explain the internet reception in the sailing boats of the vendeeglobe without satelite ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: energia9 on June 27, 2016, 02:41:53 PM
1.  If there would be a flat earth It would be Night or daytime at the same time in all parts of the world
2. As Below so above: Bubble on water ,  Blow a soap bubble in the air,  Spherical,    Melt a little piece of metal , in molten state it will be spherical just like water in space.  Every small phenomenon reflects a larger one in this universe.   

3.And for the weaker ones :  If you dont believe your own eyes, just look up the conclusions of the smartest people of the world  :  Nikola tesla
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 02:55:14 PM
flat earth map , what a crazy map !!
when I look at your crazy map  I think you never run out of your litle town or village

do you know south america ?

I run with my car from buenos aire to chile : it is not possible to be so large ! ( 3000 km in maximum )

also when you go from bolivia to tierra de fuego it is not possible to be so short ! ( the minimum is 5000 km )




Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 03:37:46 PM
GB why do you think satelite does not exist ?

why I can not receive internet with my cellphone  near a town ( romo ) ?

and why fabrice andre is receiving internet in the midle of nothing ( col de sarenne ) ?
with satelite or not with satelite ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 27, 2016, 03:40:40 PM
also presse tv is receiving tv from satelite or not from satelite ?

the antenna is pointing to the flat earth ? or pointing to the dome ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 28, 2016, 02:34:38 AM
The below quote is taken from the video description as found in my previous post.

"There is no southern pole star. What folks are seeing when they look south is a perspective produced counter rotation. For example: If you are at the north pole, polaris will be directly overhead and all the stars will be rotating around it - and the stars just above the horizon will do a big circle around you staying parallel to the horizon, right?... I don't know how much you know about perspective, but notice how the clouds will angle down towards YOUR horizon THE FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU THEY ARE. Keep this in mind. The further south you go... Polaris will get lower and lower in the northern sky FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. Let's say you go far enough south that Polaris is on your horizon... the surrounding stars that were rotating around you at the north pole would now be rising in the east and setting in the west. And if you look to the south, you will see a counter rotation DUE TO PERPSECTIVE. This is tough to understand, I get that. Think about it for a while..."

You photographing galaxies that are millions of light years away is an ignorant fantasy based on a fairy tale as told by NASA and TPTB!

Gravock

You are hilarious! Citing quotations from a video made by someone who is also completely ignorant about astronomy. You still have not explained the photo from the Canary Islands where TWO centers of rotation are shown, one CLOCKWISE and the other COUNTERCLOCKWISE at the same time. This is not an "illusion of perspective". It is what happens when you rotate a SPHERE and then map that rotation onto a flat surface like the plane of the image. Try it with an orange and your two hands.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 28, 2016, 02:39:20 AM
Eratosthenes' model depends on the assumption that the earth is a globe and that the sun is far away and therefore produces parallel rays of light all over the earth.

Mainstream science has sought to explain away crepuscular rays of the sun (see first image below) that are extremely damaging to the heliocentric model, as just the result of a visual phenomenon known as linear perspective. The problem is... perspective can't explain these rays.  This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ppPXChyTo) (second image below) shows that the very perspective they invoke to try and save the heliocentric model from these damaging crepuscular rays actually indicts the heliocentric model as a fraud

Gravock

ROFL ! For someone who uses the term "perspective" in his posts, you are remarkably ignorant and gullible. The Crespuscular rays are INDEED parallel, and what your image is showing is an illusion of perspective.  You continue to provide idiotic and incorrect "explanations" of your crazy theory about flat-earth, which are so easy to prove wrong it's not even challenging at all.
 
http://www.lonestardigital.com/Perspective_Correction/N_Digital_WA.jpg (http://www.lonestardigital.com/Perspective_Correction/N_Digital_WA.jpg)

I suppose you think those buildings are really leaning towards each other. Guess what: They are not, they are all parallel to each other and perpendicular to the ground JUST LIKE CREPUSCULAR RAYS actually are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_(photography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_(photography))

All you need to do is to get someone to stand in each of those spots where the rays hit the earth, and have them measure the angle to the Sun. You will find that they all _agree_, if the measurement is done at the same time, and report the same declination and right ascension for the Sun. Your theory is falsified continually.

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on June 28, 2016, 02:48:43 AM
Incidentally, those of use who have computerized German Equatorial telescope mounts can easily falsify your "flat earth sky dome" delusion for themselves. These mounts can be set to "track" objects in the sky, all the way around, during a 24 hour period. If they are tracking a star which is at the zenith at midnight, hence pointing straight up, they can continue to track this star as the globular Earth rotates and at NOON, they will be pointing STRAIGHT DOWN.  And at that exact same time, an observer in the opposite hemisphere at the corresponding latitude, where it is now night, tracking that same star, will see his telescope mount pointing STRAIGHT UP.  Hence, once again falsifying your "Sky dome" and "Flat Earth" delusions.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Qwert on June 29, 2016, 12:08:55 PM
Just some simple questions to Gravoc.
Since the Earth is flat, how does it look like on the other side? Can you present some pictures of the other side? Maybe you have the picture of the EDGE of the FLAT EARTH? How wide (narrow) is the edge? What happens with airplanes on or near the edge, can they fly over the edge to get the other side of the flat Earth? Does the SUN fly over one flat surface, or visits also the other one? Does the flat earth contains one or more magnetic poles, and where are they located? If two, one of them must be underside of the flat earth, right? Some guys already mentioned this: what happens with the Sun on night hours? The Earth is the center of the Universe, and the Sun and other stars and all universe fly around the Earth, right?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: citfta on June 29, 2016, 12:32:26 PM
Someone already asked this question but I never saw an answer.  If I missed it please repost the answer.  How can the sun be shining brightly at high noon in North America and it be pitch dark in the middle of the night in Australia if the earth is a flat disk?  It is obvious the flouride added to our water supplies around the world have done a great job of destroying the thinking ability of humans.  It seems there are only a few left with the ability to use common sense.

I have not wasted my time reading this whole thread but I do have another question that may have already been answered.  What benefit is it to believe the earth is a flat disc?  Other than trying to prove the governments of this world will lie to us, why is there any reason to believe in a flat earth?  I mean most of us are pretty sure we are lied to regularly by our governments so why the big deal about a supposed flat earth theory?  I just don't see the point in believing something so foolish.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on June 29, 2016, 12:33:58 PM
The Earth is the center of the Universe, and the Sun and other stars and all universe fly around the Earth, right?

why and how are they moving if the earth is flat ?
if we have a flat erath ... gravity is not working ... and we are waiting for a model ?
but the grave is ko for the moment !
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Qwert on June 29, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
why and how are they moving if the earth is flat ?
if we have a flat erath ... gravity is not working ... and we are waiting for a model ?
but the grave is ko for the moment !



Why, why, why... I don't know why; But Gravoc certainly knows.


Additional question(s) to Gravoc, or other flat-Earth-enthusiasts (f-E-es): Is it determined, where the edge of the flat Earth is? Is it in, or close to a certain city (cities), or on (around) a sea; in my opinion, it can be exactly determined. Have you heard about an expedition to the edge?


In this movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQ0dMJEjsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQ0dMJEjsk) [size=78%]at 8:20 starts a simulation which shows flat Earth and the Sun. On this flat earth a clear border of day/night is seen. But the author does not mention how that border is determined. Maybe some f-e-es here, on this site can explain this?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on June 30, 2016, 03:05:42 AM
This is not real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30KSt4Iy9Q8

The rocket motor is only six inches long and the burn is filmed at high speed and then slowed down during playback.  It's called Supermarionation.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Qwert on June 30, 2016, 05:19:58 PM
I'm terribly, terribly sorry, Gravock, I've just jumped-into this site and also into this thread after long absence. Today I'm reading and learning this site more thoroughly and I found this post, which says everything about you and your KNOWLEDGE. I guess, from this point, since we have a religious dogma, it makes nonsense to discuss ANY scientific "dogmas":

http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482805/#msg482805 (http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482805/#msg482805)

I have one question, however:
In the post from above link, you say: They've been unsuccessfully trying to breach this glass-like dome for a long time.

 My question is: WHO ARE/WERE THOSE "THEY"?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on July 01, 2016, 03:28:39 PM
I'm terribly, terribly sorry, Gravock, I've just jumped-into this site and also into this thread after long absence. Today I'm reading and learning this site more thoroughly and I found this post, which says everything about you and your KNOWLEDGE. I guess, from this point, since we have a religious dogma, it makes nonsense to discuss ANY scientific "dogmas":

http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482805/#msg482805 (http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg482805/#msg482805)

I have one question, however:
In the post from above link, you say: They've been unsuccessfully trying to breach this glass-like dome for a long time.

 My question is: WHO ARE/WERE THOSE "THEY"?
do you mean this psychotic dogma ?  the GOD word is Gold Oil and Diamonds it's Demonic, any control, restriction, serial lying is all demonic all roads lead to Satanic world and universe including the aliens, think about it every animal eats the next one down the food chain every living thing suffers and dies one way or another, but when we die we are released and we are light, we are the light everything in creation is light, it's pure energy, a continuous consciousness of this dimension, wake up out of this delusional psychotic nightmare your creating for yourself. ;)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Qwert on July 01, 2016, 09:59:54 PM

{'m not gonna discuss religious dogmas on this forum cuz of two reasons: one reason is that I do not know the subject, and another reason is that we are not allowed to discuss religious subjects on this forum (read the rules).
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on July 02, 2016, 01:27:26 AM
{'m not gonna discuss religious dogmas on this forum cuz of two reasons: one reason is that I do not know the subject, and another reason is that we are not allowed to discuss religious subjects on this forum (read the rules).
no one mentioned any religion as such, it was 'psychotic dogma' no more than the fact that
In fact the flat earth was actually a religious belief of the church at the time and disbelievers were disposed of by execution, so what you are saying is that in effect is your trying to create a situation where religion is entered by the back door by discussing this  thread.

You can't have one without the other as it is of historic interest on learning the truth of what your trying to hide to everyone involved and your only allowing half the bull shit to be known your side only and this thread is totally inappropriate for this forum and should be discontinued as you pointed out yourself !
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Qwert on July 02, 2016, 03:13:55 AM

Exactly.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on July 03, 2016, 02:11:57 PM
The one thing i have learned over the years,is never believe what NASA tells you--most of it is crap.

I dont care much for the !flat earth! theory,but like most,believe the earth is a ball that just floats around in space-right?. ;D

Anyway,who knows what Chandra is?
Yes,it is--err was suppose to be-Quote: The Chandra X-ray Observatory (CXO), previously known as the Advanced X-ray Astrophysics Facility (AXAF), is a space observatory launched on STS-93 by NASA on July 23, 1999. Chandra is sensitive to X-ray sources 100 times fainter than any previous X-ray telescope, enabled by the high angular resolution of its mirrors. Since the Earth's atmosphere absorbs the vast majority of X-rays, they are not detectable from Earth-based telescopes; therefore space-based telescopes are required to make these observations. Chandra is an Earth satellite in a 64-hour orbit, and its mission is ongoing as of 2016.
Chandra is one of the Great Observatories, along with the Hubble Space Telescope, Compton Gamma Ray Observatory (1991–2000), and the Spitzer Space Telescope. The telescope is named after astrophysicist Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar

So it's a telescope-right? ::)
Here is the official mission/function for Chandra,from the UNOOSA- United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs. Everything launched into space has to be registered with UNOOSA.
Lets have a look at what they say Chandra's mission is
Quote: Spacecraft engaged in investigation of spaceflight techniques and technology.
Dose anyone see !Telescope! there in that description?.

http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/osoindex/search-ng.jspx?lf_id=

If we look at hubble,we see the function being
Quote: Research and exploration of the upper atmosphere or outer space.
Now that looks to resemble a telescope--so what is Chandra?


Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on July 03, 2016, 02:45:19 PM
One has to wonder as to how we can see satellites in the sky at night,when they are all in the Earths shadow. Light dose not bend that much around the earth,and there is no reflected light from other sources in space,and we know that we cant see the moon when it is in this shadow phase,so how do we see the satellite's that are between the earth and moon,when we cant see the giant moon?

Also,we may see one of two satellites every 5 to 10 minutes on a clear night,but looking at how many are !suppose! to be up there,one would think it would look like a busy city at night.

Believe nothing--question eveything
Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on July 03, 2016, 02:46:25 PM
Oop's
That picture was a bit large--sorry guys.
But at least you get the picture-- ;D

Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on July 03, 2016, 06:58:40 PM
Oh come on Brad. Now you are playing the game too. Why don't you  find a diagram that shows the Sun-Earth-Moon relationship in the correct scale and 3-d orientation? Then you may understand why lunar eclipses happen when and how they do. Also, if you have observed satellites for yourself you might notice that the best time to see them is shortly after dark and shortly before dawn, and they rarely are visible across the entire sky because they "blink out" when they enter the shadow of the Earth.

Here's a video that I took through my telescope system's tracking telescope camera, after I noticed some satellite traces screwing up the deep-space image I was trying to capture with the main telescope. These satellites are in a geosynchronous orbit, as proven by a little geometry involving my latitude, the scope's pointing direction and the height of the geo-synch orbit. That is why they appear to move through the frame when the scope is tracking the object of interest but become stationary at the moment I turn off the scope's tracking. The apparent motion of the satellites against the starfield is caused by the fact that they are stationary over the ground, so as the scope moves to compensate for the Earth's motion they appear to move in the opposite direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DhmfrSq54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DhmfrSq54)

And here's a photo that clearly shows a couple of satellite tracks. Remember, the photo is a long-exposure composite of a very dim astronomical object. These satellites are so dim they could not be seen with the naked eye.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on July 04, 2016, 12:07:45 AM
Hey! you jokers ever wonder why the earth has billions of gallons of water on it ? how about it was a huge water planet like some of the others but because it was so close to the inner planets it got covered in rock and other debris as the planet was much small to start with but as i heated up the inner ice has melted out of the poles creating the sea's so your next task is to work out is the planet is actually hollow in the middle.
I think NASA call it project high jump and there is film about it ect. and some guy flew his plane into it !

;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tinman on July 04, 2016, 01:23:54 AM
Oh come on Brad. Now you are playing the game too. Why don't you  find a diagram that shows the Sun-Earth-Moon relationship in the correct scale and 3-d orientation? Then you may understand why lunar eclipses happen when and how they do. Also, if you have observed satellites for yourself you might notice that the best time to see them is shortly after dark and shortly before dawn, and they rarely are visible across the entire sky because they "blink out" when they enter the shadow of the Earth.

Here's a video that I took through my telescope system's tracking telescope camera, after I noticed some satellite traces screwing up the deep-space image I was trying to capture with the main telescope. These satellites are in a geosynchronous orbit, as proven by a little geometry involving my latitude, the scope's pointing direction and the height of the geo-synch orbit. That is why they appear to move through the frame when the scope is tracking the object of interest but become stationary at the moment I turn off the scope's tracking. The apparent motion of the satellites against the starfield is caused by the fact that they are stationary over the ground, so as the scope moves to compensate for the Earth's motion they appear to move in the opposite direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DhmfrSq54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DhmfrSq54)

And here's a photo that clearly shows a couple of satellite tracks. Remember, the photo is a long-exposure composite of a very dim astronomical object. These satellites are so dim they could not be seen with the naked eye.

Ah come on TK--your taking all the fun out of this lol.

Nice picture by the way,and love your scope :)


Brad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Floor on July 05, 2016, 07:37:13 AM
@ TK

Quote "And here's a photo that clearly shows a couple of satellite tracks. Remember, the photo is a long-exposure composite of a very dim astronomical object. These satellites are so dim they could not be seen with the naked eye".  End quote

I think its obvous that you have faked thes photos TK !

           floor
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on July 05, 2016, 08:39:28 AM

Why, why, why... I don't know why; But Gravoc certainly knows.



I have seen the moving model of the sun in a flat earth not moving !  ( from a pseudo expert )

it is so ridiculous !
if you ask questions the flat earthers are banning you ... so it is the easy way to spamming the word with bullshit
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Jimboot on July 05, 2016, 12:08:16 PM
geeze I leave you blokes alone for a few months...
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on July 05, 2016, 04:42:05 PM
bla bla ...

Gravock

i know how the sun is moving in a flat earth , it is so funny ...
I can not resist to give you the first price of the gravityawards for your so stupid story

but who is moving the sun ? it needs so many efforts than only a god can move the sun are you ok grave ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on July 06, 2016, 10:32:35 AM
Watch this little gem !  it explains a lot and it's strange how it all fits into place and explains the flat earth idea in it some where ;) !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBo24sIPCOM

AG
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on July 17, 2016, 08:12:38 AM
1.  If there would be a flat earth It would be Night or daytime at the same time in all parts of the world
2. As Below so above: Bubble on water ,  Blow a soap bubble in the air,  Spherical,    Melt a little piece of metal , in molten state it will be spherical just like water in space.  Every small phenomenon reflects a larger one in this universe.   

3.And for the weaker ones :  If you dont believe your own eyes, just look up the conclusions of the smartest people of the world  :  Nikola tesla


no on a flatearth the sunspot is moving like this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7WndyJ1-8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7WndyJ1-8)

but

- how can you do this with a round sunspot ?

- who is moving the sunspot ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on July 17, 2016, 08:19:27 AM
hello graveko where are you ? do you know the mathematic model for the sunspot on a flat earth ?

here it is :


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqFtgHTH7pUvu2i5kWf5w0Q/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Ei_wB8zNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7WndyJ1-8

grave this is so funny  i cant stop laughing !

grave who is moving the sunspot ?

on the equinox 22 september when the sunrise in paris , the sun is 0 degree on the horizon

if I phone to harti in berlin the sun is 15 degrees on the horizon

grave can you explain this on a flat earth and with a moving sunspot so funny ?


this same day at 0 PM I phone to another friend in dakar

the sunspot is just above dakar and at the same time the sunspot is 45 degrees on the horizon in paris

grave  can you explain this on a flat earth ? is the sunspot 5000 km above dakar ?

if so when I fly from paris to buenos aires the plane is flying 5000 km above the sunspot ?

grave this is so funny  i cant stop laughing !

grave are you insane ? ...  wait ... grave you are in a psychiatric hospital ? ... ok ok ok grave now i understand very well
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on July 17, 2016, 04:33:28 PM
been on the pop again ?

All this shit is to do with religion, why don't you ask the pope to explain it all and give us all a rest ?
Encase you haven't noticed this is an alternative energy chat thread or should be!
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on July 19, 2016, 05:14:59 AM
I discovered a hot YouTube space babe that would bust poor Gravityblock's buns.

The channel is called "Vintage Space."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW5qdsB8iSQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW5qdsB8iSQ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYhqKcruxmI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYhqKcruxmI)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ2g38-veZU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ2g38-veZU)

She is going to put all those painters out of work that repaint the top of the dome and freshen up the white dots for all of the stars.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Qwert on July 21, 2016, 01:38:49 AM
I can't resist from asking yet another two questions for the flat-earthers:
If you BELIEVE that NASA and all main scientific agencies lie about Earth and the Space, how does it come that you BELIEVE in your theory (truth), never even touching the "glass-like" dome around the Earth, never seeing the border where that dome meets the Earth? How does it come that we can see Sunrise/Sunset behind the horizon, while in REALITY it does not happen?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on August 04, 2016, 01:48:41 AM
The Crespuscular rays are INDEED parallel, and what your image is showing is an illusion of perspective. 
What do you think was the illusion mechanism of these non-parallel rays depicted in that image?

@Gravityblock
Did you ever try to call-up a friend who lives 100miles away from you and have him measure the sunrays' angle at the same time you are doing likewise at your place?
The angle can be easily measured with a plumb bob and a straight broomstick by positioning it so that it does not cast any shadow.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: e2matrix on August 04, 2016, 04:50:26 PM
Spock says it is totally illogical to assume the Earth is flat.   Logic clearly dictates it is a sphere.
 ;)



Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2016, 06:11:48 PM
What do you think was the illusion mechanism of these non-parallel rays depicted in that image?

@Gravityblock
Did you ever try to call-up a friend who lives 100miles away from you and have him measure the sunrays' angle at the same time you are doing likewise at your place?
The angle can be easily measured with a plumb bob and a straight broomstick by positioning it so that it does not cast any shadow.

What do YOU think? Are these railroad tracks non-parallel?

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on August 05, 2016, 06:50:49 AM
What do YOU think? Are these railroad tracks non-parallel?
Yes, but that's different because these green  tracks go off into the distance along the Z axis of the camera's vision.
The perspective distortion would not be able to distort the parallelness of e.g. these black poles planted along the tracks (because these poles are parallel to the Y axis of the camera's vision).

The sunrays in that image were not along the Z axis so they could not have been affected by the perspective distortion like the tracks.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SeaMonkey on August 05, 2016, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: Verpies
The sunrays in that image were not along the Z axis so they could
not have been affected by the perspective distortion like the tracks.

Could it be that the sun-rays in the image have been doctored?

Such distortions are easily accomplished with video processing
software which is specially designed for creating deceptions.
 
I've never observed anything like it with the naked eye on
partially (mostly) cloudy days when the rays are clearly visible.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on August 05, 2016, 09:34:55 PM
Could it be that the sun-rays in the image have been doctored?
Of course.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Here2njoy on September 07, 2016, 05:19:49 PM
Two more videos to ponder....  Mountains of Evidence & 6KM high powered laser test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA

and the Gyros may tell the story even further...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeSUvYQ4Tc4

I love to question everything...makes for an wonder-full life to me!
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Here2njoy on September 08, 2016, 02:09:17 AM
one youtube doubled up. Laser youtube never made it.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on September 08, 2016, 07:14:07 AM
Very nice.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on September 08, 2016, 07:33:17 AM
Two more videos to ponder....  Mountains of Evidence & 6KM high powered laser test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA)

and the Gyros may tell the story even further...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeSUvYQ4Tc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeSUvYQ4Tc4)

I love to question everything...makes for an wonder-full life to me!

j'ai deja repondu a vos pseudo arguments

votre prosélytisme est en totale contradictions avec les regles de base de ce forum

harti can you ban this guy ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on September 08, 2016, 07:35:51 AM
one youtube doubled up. Laser youtube never made it.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw)

can you stop yours BS ?

votre prosélytisme est en totale contradictions avec les regles de base de ce forum

harti can you ban this guy ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on September 08, 2016, 07:37:22 AM
Very nice.  :) ;)

are you serious ?

this is all BS from flatearthers scam artists
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on September 08, 2016, 08:06:48 AM
Very nice.  :) ;)

you have to learn basics physics
and
Distance to horizon
http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Horizon (http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Horizon)

some maths here
http://overunity.com/16760/mister-nader-hoville-you-are-very-very-very-wrong/msg489026/#msg489026 (http://overunity.com/16760/mister-nader-hoville-you-are-very-very-very-wrong/msg489026/#msg489026)

http://overunity.com/16760/mister-nader-hoville-you-are-very-very-very-wrong/msg489210/#msg489210

Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on September 08, 2016, 12:03:08 PM
Yes, but that's different because these green  tracks go off into the distance along the Z axis of the camera's vision.
The perspective distortion would not be able to distort the parallelness of e.g. these black poles planted along the tracks (because these poles are parallel to the Y axis of the camera's vision).

The sunrays in that image were not along the Z axis so they could not have been affected by the perspective distortion like the tracks.

Not at all. You can find many photos of tall buildings that appear to lean "inwards" toward the top. Also, architects know about this vertical perspective situation as well. For example the minarets of the Taj Mahal are actually built with a slight outward lean so that they appear vertical when viewed from the main gate.

https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/cayan-tower2.jpg (https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/cayan-tower2.jpg)

Many photos of city skylines can be found that show this perspective tilt, and many others can be found that do not, either because it has been corrected in processing or a particular angle has been used. Also remember that even the tallest buildings aren't nearly as high as the normal cloudbase on a fine fairweather cumulus day.

Not only that... but your black poles next to the railroad tracks look like they are getting shorter the farther away they are. Do you think this is real, or is it a result of perspective acting in the y-direction?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on September 08, 2016, 12:13:22 PM
one youtube doubled up. Laser youtube never made it.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw)

That's pretty silly. It has been known for a long time that the air over bodies of water can refract light beams, so objects that are actually "below" the horizon can _appear_ to be above it. It's a well-known cause of "mirages".  This is because of the dependence of refractive index of air on temperature differences in various layers of air-- the same thing that makes stars "twinkle" and appear to move around a bit at night.  Unfortunately -- for you and other flat-earthers -- this laser test is invalid for that reason.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on September 08, 2016, 01:18:34 PM
Eratosthenes did it more than 2000 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference)

http://www.dummies.com/education/math/geometry/how-to-determine-the-earths-circumference/ (http://www.dummies.com/education/math/geometry/how-to-determine-the-earths-circumference/)

Other very old measurements:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Measuring-the-Earth-Classical-and-Arabic-1673315 (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Measuring-the-Earth-Classical-and-Arabic-1673315)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy)

But of course, they were all wrong, the earth is flat, just look out of your window. :'(

Give a tool like a laser into the hands of silly people and you will get silly results and damaged retinas. Watching these people on lake Balaton disregarding the dangers of a laser (it could easily damage your retina in the eye) raised my hair. So, please do not use lasers like an idiot, stick to the ancient measurement methods, they are straight forward.

Simple test of flatness:

Put a stick into the earth on two different locations a few hundred miles apart as vertical as you manage. And then place a person next to each stick with a cell phone. Establish a call and compare the shadow of the sticks. It works best around mid day.

Of course you should know that the sun is very far (millions of miles) away (and not close to the earth surface as some flat people want you to believe).

I know, this has all been said here before, but some people just do not understand reality.

I like this old method:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy#Al-Biruni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy#Al-Biruni)

You only have to measure an angle on the top of a mountain (dip angle towards the plain around the mountain, could be a mountain near a lake or the sea)  and you have to know the height of the mountain relative to the plain. Even if you only know the height of the mountain approximately (50 meter accuracy, a map will tell you) it will show that the earth has to be a sphere and not flat.

If the mountain is 500 meters high (above the plain, lake or sea you use as a reference for the drop angle) the drop angle is about 0.7 degrees. So, you need a good surveying instrument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodolite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodolite), minute resolution).

This theodolite should do http://www.u-t-b.at/at/vermessungsgeraete/theodolite/mechanische-theodolite/geofennel-fet-500.html#.V9F24q04r9A , resolution 0.1 gon (about 0.1°) if you only want to proof that the earth is a sphere. The calculated radius will be between 4000 and 10000 kilometres, which is well beyond flat.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on September 08, 2016, 02:22:36 PM
Not only that... but your black poles next to the railroad tracks look like they are getting shorter the farther away they are. Do you think this is real, or is it a result of perspective acting in the y-direction?
I think the black poles are getting visually shorter in the y-direction, because of the perspective effect.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on September 10, 2016, 10:06:37 AM
That's pretty silly. It has been known for a long time that the air over bodies of water can refract light beams, so objects that are actually "below" the horizon can _appear_ to be above it. It's a well-known cause of "mirages".  This is because of the dependence of refractive index of air on temperature differences in various layers of air-- the same thing that makes stars "twinkle" and appear to move around a bit at night.  Unfortunately -- for you and other flat-earthers -- this laser test is invalid for that reason.
I have to agree with that.  Any long-distance optical observations in the atmosphere are not trustworthy because the atmosphere is a giant convex lens and the density gradients over water make atmospheric ducting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_duct) even worse.
I was always curious what its average focal length is, ...as viewed from outside of the atmosphere.

So all of the long-distance visual evidence can be thrown into a proverbial "garbage", regardless whether it supports flat-Earth or curved-Earth.

An optical experiment that conclusively measures the curvature of the Earth would have to be arranged like this:
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on September 10, 2016, 10:35:41 AM
Eratosthenes did it more than 2000 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference)
Eratosthenes used two points of measurement, but a three colinear points of measurement would need to be made at the same time to accurately gauge the curvature without any further assumptions.

Also, Eratosthenes did not account for the refraction of sunlight by the atmosphere which is giant convex lens over Earth's surface.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: verpies on September 10, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
You can find many photos of tall buildings that appear to lean "inwards" toward the top.
Only because the Z-axis distances from the observer to the base and top of the building are not the same, when the observer stands on the ground. 

If the Z-axis distances are the same for the observer, then the perspective is unable to create this illusion of "leaning inwards toward the top".
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on September 10, 2016, 01:53:27 PM
Yes it's all very amusing isn't it (that's not a question), Have any of you ever seen a poltergeist at work or seen an entity ? they are clever beings they  lie and deceive, pretend to be a child to gain entry  and are excellent at trickery,

I've come to the conclusion any form of manipulating control is demonic and this stuff is linked to religious days of old and now evil manipulators, if you want to go down this route then perhaps your going to end up with the controlling entity's your entertaining when you pass over, because that's the name of the game they are playing with you, be careful what deception you choose.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on September 10, 2016, 04:27:27 PM
Only because the Z-axis distances from the observer to the base and top of the building are not the same, when the observer stands on the ground. 

If the Z-axis distances are the same for the observer, then the perspective is unable to create this illusion of "leaning inwards toward the top".



Distance to horizon
http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Horizon (http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Horizon)

Quote
    At a height h above the ground, the distance to the horizon d, is given by:

      d = sqrt(2*R*h/b)

    b=0.8279 is a factor that accounts for atmospheric refraction and depends on the atmospheric temperature lapse rate, which is taken to be standard. R is the radius of the earth. Note that the earth is assumed smooth- likely only true over the oceans!

    For h in feet and d in nm:

     d =1.17*sqrt(h)

    i.e. from 10000 feet, the horizon is 117nm away

    (Reference Bowditch American Practical Navigator (1995) Table 12.)




for the earth R = 6380 km (  3970 miles )

Quote

sur la photo " the observer" regarde le mont Mc kinley qui est à 140 miles soit 225.3 km
tout en etant a 2089 ft soit 636 m

la hauteur du mont Mc kinley est 3.8 miles soit 4828 m

j'utilise la formule d = sqrt(2*R*h/b)
et je calcule l'horizon optique
depuis le mont Mc kinley soit 4828 m
l'horizon optique est : 272.8 km   => il est donc évident que l'on peut voir " the observer " depuis le mont Mc kinley

calcule de l'horizon optique depuis l'observateur " the observer " ( qui se trouve a 2089 ft soit 636 m )
l'horizon optique est : 99 km il est evident que l'on ne peut pas voir entièrement  le mont Mc kinley

mais en prenant la formule H = D*D / ( 2 * R )

avec D = 225.3 - 99 km
on trouve H = 1250 m

donc depuis " the observer " on peut voir  le mont Mc kinley a partir de 1250 m



we can see mount Mc kinley above 1250m

Quote

you pass over, because that's the name of the game they are playing with you.


yes
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on September 25, 2016, 06:17:27 AM
Grab some popcorn...  ;D

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on September 25, 2016, 08:51:25 AM
Grab some popcorn...  ;D

Gravock

qué ki di le troll ?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on September 26, 2016, 08:07:14 AM
Grab some popcorn...  ;D

Gravock


this the proof that flatearthers are big scammer and liar
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on September 26, 2016, 12:21:24 PM
tagor,

Fisheye Lens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens)!

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on September 26, 2016, 12:34:18 PM
There are no forests on earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJL6aA2czo)! (Video)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: tagor on September 26, 2016, 04:48:08 PM
tagor,

Fisheye Lens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens)!

Gravock

fisheye lens ?!!!?  you are a big liar !
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on April 11, 2017, 10:38:44 PM
For all you Flat earth lovers this live fee is for you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc

And this live shot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM

Explain this away !

Enjoy and your dark side rising !
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: TinselKoala on April 12, 2017, 12:17:50 AM
AG, don't you know that all NASA videos are fake?

 ;)
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2017, 12:49:52 AM
AG, don't you know that all NASA videos are fake?

 ;)

There are some people with certain radical political views and deniers of certain aspects 20th century history that I will not discuss here that completely freak me out sometimes.  Likewise, the Flat-Earthers and their own ecosystem also completely freak me out.  There are hordes of them on YouTube.

I suppose that I can throw in the moon landing deniers.

You are living on a big pizza pie inside a giant snow globe.  That's what my rake told me.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on April 12, 2017, 12:58:29 AM
There are some people with certain radical political views and deniers of certain aspects 20th century history that I will not discuss here that completely freak me out sometimes.  Likewise, the Flat-Earthers and their own ecosystem also completely freak me out.  There are hordes of them on YouTube.

I suppose that I can throw in the moon landing deniers.

You are living on a big pizza pie inside a giant snow globe.  That's what my rake told me.
Tinsel has got to be taking the piss ! just because the delivery man screws the woman at no 12 doesn't mean he makes a habit of doing it to all his customer although I'm sure he has been known to short change others too ! dirty mind ?

Regards AG

PS whats this story got to do with a flat earth, sarcasm and wit!
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Zephir on April 12, 2017, 03:15:16 AM
Quote
You are living on a big pizza pie inside a giant snow globe.  That's what my rake told me

IMO it's time to reconcile the Flat Earth theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth) with Hollow Earth theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth) and with Expanding Earth theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_Earth) into a Crushed Doughnut Earth Theory.
The independently creative human thinking apparently converges into this model.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on April 12, 2017, 01:41:25 PM
There are very compelling reasons for an inner earth or hollow earth, flat earth is for flat brains:


http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg486684/#msg486684


http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg486923/#msg486923


http://overunity.com/16571/is-the-earth-a-flat-round-disc-or-is-it-a-round-spherical-globe/msg486932/#msg486932


Inner earth beats flat earth all the time. Millions can hide in inner earth, but nobody can hide on a flat earth. Flat earth stories are just flat.


I can not tell you whether there is an inner earth or not (because telling the truth would kill me), but I urge you to go for inner earth (or hollow earth) stories if you want to be entertained.


http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/10/10/stories-of-a-hollow-earth/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_fiction


https://letterboxd.com/mook/list/hollow-earth-films/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Zephir on April 12, 2017, 11:17:10 PM
Hollow Earth Hypothesis will not help us to generate some free energy anyway and it's off-topic here. What's worse, it's presentation right here renders the overunity community as a bunch of idiots and decreases the credulity of this subject in they eyes of public even more, than it already is. So I consider the threads like this one a disruptive - they could be even generated with provocateours, who want to ruin the overunity research.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: AlienGrey on April 12, 2017, 11:48:30 PM
Zephir how is it off topic since it is related, your disruptions are trying to stop people commenting as a matter of interest what age are you ?  as this is not a play ground !
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Further  imagine in the creation of the universe a vast globule of water is pulled into orbit of the sun's gravitational pull this pulls to it mass as in rock sand ect and coats the water globe in a hard shell-like object like an egg and much the same shape with the ends open, since no one knows where the oceans conform this would explain a lot and the great flood. and a hollow earth, re NASA from space strange pole end concave or blanked off appearance, perhaps.

Regards AG
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Zephir on April 13, 2017, 02:40:43 AM
Quote
Zephir how is it off topic since it is related, your disruptions are trying to stop people commenting as a matter of interest what age are you ?  as this is not a play ground

I'm just explaining why the discussion of chemtrails and hollow Earth theory doesn't belong into overunity forum. If I would moderate some board, then these stuffs would have no place on it: not only it deters serious scientists, but it also attracts dumb freaks and the general IQ level of forum decreases. Why not to just discuss overunity at overunity forum? Are you visiting this forum for the reading news about Britney Spear and Justin Beaver? If not, why I should be interested about such a craziness here?

If I would be governmental agent struggling to destroy the public interest about overunity, then I would promote such a discussions here instead because the most effective way how to destroy the serious truth today isn't the plain censorship - but its drowning it in trivialities and ridiculing it with connection to dumb conspiratorial theories. Kremlin propaganda does so at daily basis. So you may perceive me immature when I prohibit the people to discuss the childish theories right here - but I assure you, my stance is very well reasoned and mature, because I know, how the distraction methods of public opinion actually work.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: conradelektro on April 13, 2017, 12:26:06 PM
I'm just explaining why the discussion of chemtrails and hollow Earth theory doesn't belong into overunity forum. If I would moderate some board, then these stuffs would have no place on it: not only it deters serious scientists, but it also attracts dumb freaks and the general IQ level of forum decreases. Why not to just discuss overunity at overunity forum? Are you visiting this forum for the reading news about Britney Spear and Justin Beaver? If not, why I should be interested about such a craziness here?

If I would be governmental agent struggling to destroy the public interest about overunity, then I would promote such a discussions here instead because the most effective way how to destroy the serious truth today isn't the plain censorship - but its drowning it in trivialities and ridiculing it with connection to dumb conspiratorial theories. Kremlin propaganda does so at daily basis. So you may perceive me immature when I prohibit the people to discuss the childish theories right here - but I assure you, my stance is very well reasoned and mature, because I know, how the distraction methods of public opinion actually work.


You are totally wrong, the beings from inner earth have the secret of eternal energy und they can also travel to other planets (therefore they are sometimes called aliens, which they might as well be).

The secret and the secrets of inner earth are only revealed to worthy people. Sometimes a person is invited into inner earth and may witness the wonders so that humankind does not despair.

Many hope to find OU because they sense that it is possible (like in inner earth). But the time is not ripe for OU on outer earth because it would only be misused (for gain and war).

Because you mention the Kremlin. You yourself could well be an agent of the Kremlin discrediting inner earth because the Kremlin (and the White House) would loose power once the beings from inner earth show the people of outer earth how to live in the right way.

Beware of false prophets and be not mislead by agents of the Kremlin or the White House.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: Zephir on April 13, 2017, 12:35:21 PM
Quote
the beings from inner earth have the secret of eternal energy and they can also travel to other planets

Well, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: profitis on April 19, 2017, 05:21:13 AM
Marked
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: pomodoro on April 19, 2017, 08:02:21 AM
hey Prof, where the hell have you been hiding. Though you may have been a victim of violence in SA.  Any more Karpen research?
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: franco malgarini on April 19, 2017, 01:56:13 PM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0514_030514_earthcore.html
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: franco malgarini on April 19, 2017, 02:44:21 PM
The same for the cold sun:

http://overunity.com/16808/mission-at-the-center-of-the-sun/#.WPdbZdKLTcs
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: profitis on April 20, 2017, 03:32:05 AM
Nah my swastika is down for now mr pomodoro I'm lookin for a bit o white on white violence.have u seen mr hardasshole around
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: pomodoro on April 20, 2017, 10:37:39 AM
No posts from him for a while but he might be posting under some other name.  Never know who you're talking to here as there seems to be people with multiple personalities.  Hey, shame those hydrogen Karpens failed, you gave me some good ideas.  I tried some lately under reduced pressure but they also equilibrated overnight.   The original gold/platinun oxygen sucker in pure h2so4 works, had it running for about a week, reduced pressure down to 0.1mm Hg didn't make a difference incredibly,  but the power output is totally useless  either way.  Looking at Moray at the moment, probably BS as well but  worth a shot.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: profitis on April 21, 2017, 06:27:14 AM
Yeah well if his government or frenemies get tired of him for any reason they can hand him over to me.I'l take special care of him
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2017, 12:18:11 PM
NASA Satellite launched by balloons , not rockets! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6PLFF_ke7U)  (video)

Techniques that substitute satellites! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfsBpwy2DhA) (video)

Other techniques that are being used to substitute satellites are:

1. GPS uses Cel-tower triangulation not Satellites
2 Undersea Cables
3. High Altitude Airships (HAA)
4. High Altitude Platforms (HAP)
5. Lighter-than-air vehicles (LAV)
6. High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE)
7. High Altitude Long Operation (HALO)
8. StratSat
9. Airborne Relay Communication (ARC)
10. HeliPlat which connects to the HeliNet System
11. High Altitude Shuttle System (HASS)
12. Small Balloon Systems (SBS)
13. Nano Balloon Systems (NBS)
14. Google Loon System
15. Stratospheric Platform Systems (SPS)
16. High Altitude Long Endurance Demonstrator (HALE-D)


Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
NASA -  A Compilation Of Lies And Deceit! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzyPN8-AbJQ) (video)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
🔬 SCIENTISM EXPOSED (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeIGrEtPMmE) 🔭 Flat Earth Documentary

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: profitis on July 19, 2017, 01:09:23 PM
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete
when everything the American people believe is
false"

Ya but entropy is a oneway valve thistime brother
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2017, 01:53:41 PM
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete
when everything the American people believe is
false"

Ya but entropy is a oneway valve thistime brother


Care to explain when entropy is a two-way valve?

Thanks,

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
Flat Earth Truth Music:

Hello Flat Earth - NASA Lies (Adele Cover Song by Amber Plaster) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2nCui9aU2w)

John Lennon Knew - Flat Earth (Watching The Wheels song lyrics) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1w4CYiDtNY)

The Who - I Can See For Miles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0iqg2UanEc&list=PLYWr19MxFr4v90qPc-Af1yfJjoopj33D7&index=1)

Pink Floyd LIVE in London 1994 - Enclosed FLAT EARTH Symbolism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTe11B9-2GU)

Pink Floyd's Roger Waters Mentions Flat Earth Dome Firmament During Interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oGU3IiMKiA)

Nirvana - On a Plain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsfIDl7ONo)

Paul McCartney - Fool on the Hill (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wt0I60ZGp0)

Eminem lose yourself lyrics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yhyp-_hX2s)

Paint it Flat--Rollin Stones--Indiejestion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfMdJ58Qa0E)

Dear NASA, Why Are You Lying? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYIRoGB3pUU)

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Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2017, 04:05:25 PM
Largest Video Compilation With Flat Earth References In Hollywood Movies, Music, And TV Shows (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYThRs5hbQ)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: profitis on July 19, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
"Care to explain when entropy is a two-way valve?"

Under certain conditions of..hey wait,ur right it never is
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on July 19, 2017, 07:29:44 PM
Go Go Gravityblock ;D
and the truth shall set them free.
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: profitis on July 19, 2017, 07:32:54 PM
Round earth truth tunes:

Kylie minogue-better the devil u know

R.e.m.-losing my religion

Tiffany- I think we"re alone? now


Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: profitis on July 19, 2017, 07:35:26 PM
Round earth truth tunes:

Kylie minogue-better the devil u know

R.e.m.-losing my religion

Tiffany- I think we"re alone? now


Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2017, 01:53:26 AM
Flat Earth - Let There Be Light (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZhj9BbIXc&feature=youtu.be) (video)

Gravock
Title: Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
Post by: profitis on July 20, 2017, 05:43:44 AM
Tears4fears- sowing the seeds