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Author Topic: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?  (Read 217853 times)

picowatt

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #165 on: May 06, 2016, 03:14:20 PM »
Look at how much the 2 quadrillion watt laser light dispersed over Chicago's Soldier Field and beyond after bouncing off the firmament.

The pulse length of the 2 petawatt output recently achieved by Japan's LFEX laser was less than 2 picoseconds.   The amount of energy contained in that very brief 2 petawatt laser pulse was less than the energy contained in a hot cup of coffee.

Even if a human eye could detect a very brief 2 picosecond pulse, the output of the laser was in the infrared wavelengths and not visible to the human eye.  Moreover, at no time did the laser beam ever leave the confines of the laboratory.  It is aimed at targets within the laboratory complex, not out into the open sky.

Japan's LFEX laser is fired fairly often for ongoing experiments.  These types of lasers are in use in several countries throughout the world, including the US.  Their very short pulse lengths allow them to claim incredible power outputs when in reality the actual energy emitted is relatively low. 

These are not military weapon type lasers...


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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #166 on: May 06, 2016, 05:33:43 PM »
Hi folks, Hi gravityblock, thanks again for giving your time and energy to share.
What if the dome above, is not made of the typical matter that we know of.
I recall a story about a man going to a plastic sheet manufacture plant and in one area where he stood, there was a barrier that he could not penetrate his body through.
To a very advanced creator of worlds, i wouldn't think it would be difficult to use something like this and add additional properties to it, to create a protective dome over a world.
peace love light
and try and play nice with each other in the sandbox.

Pirate88179

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #167 on: May 06, 2016, 08:29:48 PM »
So then, how did Voyager get past this "dome" in order to explore deep space?  How did the Apollo mission ever get to the moon...unless you are claiming that this dome encases all of the planets as well? (Pretty big dome)

How do we get radio frequencies that originate in deep space?  They could never get through your dome.  Or, is there someone controlling a trap door to this dome and they open and close it to allow space craft to pass?  If so...then who is this person?

I think you guys are confused with a planetarium which actually does have a dome ceiling.  Next time you go to one, I would suggest not doing acid...it appears to be messing with your perceptions of reality.

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« Reply #168 on: May 06, 2016, 08:41:34 PM »
Well pirate i do not believe in the dome... but i do know Apollo never went to the moon.

"Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement"

Plenty of evidence around if you look for it.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #169 on: May 06, 2016, 08:59:39 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGeeiCY2wAM

ODD TV.... Made in a Hollywood basement.....

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« Reply #170 on: May 06, 2016, 10:14:39 PM »
Well pirate i do not believe in the dome... but i do know Apollo never went to the moon.

"Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement"

Plenty of evidence around if you look for it.

Ummm...we totally went to the moon.  My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects.  It was a brilliant feat of engineering that got us there.  If you really think we did not go, you need to do a lot more reading.  We also made parts for the Space Shuttle and, I have parts that I helped design and machine that are on Mars as we speak.

Just the flag alone, which is pointed out as "evidence" we did not go, took months to design so that it met the weight restriction requirements and still functioned like a flag.  The top of the flag had a telescoping rod going through it (like a car antenna of old) which held it out because there is no wind on the moon.  That brilliant design by a single engineer is now used by ignorant folks that know nothing about how hard it was to design this, as "proof" we were not there.

I blame our very poor education system.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #171 on: May 07, 2016, 02:43:09 AM »
The Truman Show was not a documentary. 

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« Reply #172 on: May 07, 2016, 08:25:45 AM »
Ummm...we totally went to the moon.  My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects.  It was a brilliant feat of engineering that got us there.  If you really think we did not go, you need to do a lot more reading.  We also made parts for the Space Shuttle and, I have parts that I helped design and machine that are on Mars as we speak.

Just the flag alone, which is pointed out as "evidence" we did not go, took months to design so that it met the weight restriction requirements and still functioned like a flag.  The top of the flag had a telescoping rod going through it (like a car antenna of old) which held it out because there is no wind on the moon.  That brilliant design by a single engineer is now used by ignorant folks that know nothing about how hard it was to design this, as "proof" we were not there.

I blame our very poor education system.

Bill

It's the exact opposite !!
I read too little and was a believer, but then i encountered people telling me it was all staged and i started reading more !!
And then the evidence piled up!
It's crystal clear actually.

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« Reply #173 on: May 07, 2016, 09:00:00 AM »
It's the exact opposite !!
I read too little and was a believer, but then i encountered people telling me it was all staged and i started reading more !!
And then the evidence piled up!
It's crystal clear actually.

So, how did we do the laser test by bouncing a laser off of a mirror placed on the moon by the Apollo Astronauts?  What about the seismic readings we get from the equipment they left there?  You should read real books on this subject written by the folks that were there.  Have you ever touched a moon rock?  I have.  How can this be if the Apollo guys never went there? 

I guess all of the other equipment left behind on the moon which can be seen, and photographed, is not really there?  Come on man, do some real research...read a book.

Bill

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« Reply #174 on: May 07, 2016, 11:40:46 AM »
Bill, it's useless to argue with these flat-earther, moon-landing denier people. Just look at the various threads. All data that you can cite in your attempts to prove that landings took place and that the Earth is a big ball are _made up_, they are lies, perpetrated by a grand conspiracy that involves hundreds of thousands of people all over the flat planet. Even you and I are part of this conspiracy! And all the "data" and "evidence" that they present, that you and I know are just misinterpretations and special pleadings and outright wrong, are the gospel truth that prove the Earth is flat and the landings were hoaxed!
 
SpaceX, JAXA.... all hoaxes! Hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of people all participating in the same huge hoax, just to make us believe that the Earth is a globe!

Have you gotten your paycheck yet?


Facepalm ROFL ! It's useless to argue with someone who believes that all your evidence is made up of lies and who won't do basic research on their own, all you can do is mock their ignorance and foolishness. Ever tried arguing with a Jehova's Witness or a young-earth creationist? Same thing.

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« Reply #175 on: May 07, 2016, 12:58:20 PM »
It's useless to argue with these flat-earther, moon-landing denier people.
Maybe it is but it is due diligence for a scientist to discuss and consider arguments for and against even the most far-out ideas.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #176 on: May 07, 2016, 01:12:00 PM »
Ummm...we totally went to the moon.  My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects.
Just because the parts were machined, rocket built and the flag made and the rocket took off the ground does not mean that it landed on the moon.  There was even a movie about this scenario titled "Capricorn One".

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #177 on: May 07, 2016, 01:47:15 PM »
Evidence ?

Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?

the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .

as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .

@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space  programs .

Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!

@ Farmhand
that was funny ...

 

TinselKoala

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #178 on: May 07, 2016, 02:26:46 PM »
Maybe it is but it is due diligence for a scientist to discuss and consider arguments for and against even the most far-out ideas.
Sure, when you are discussing things with rational people. But in this case there is no discussion, because the people the real scientists are talking with are simply denying the validity and truth of all evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived notions. You can cite whatever evidence you like and the flat-earthers will just tell you that the evidence is faked. How is that a "discussion"? And on the other side, you have the flat-earthers citing "evidence" for their views that is so bad and mistaken and simply false that it's not even funny any more.

How does a computerized telescope mount find and track objects in space, if the Earth is flat and the objects are closer than astronomers claim? Why, the algorithm is faked, of course! And hundreds of different makes of computerized scope mounts all use different FAKED algorithms! And all astronomy college courses worldwide teach their students fake (but somehow consistent) information and when the students calculate orbits and positions of objects in space... all of that is lies and fakery based on the fake math they learn in class! What did SpaceX just launch in to geostationary orbit 25 thousand miles high? Why, nothing... the launch was faked, the satellite is fake! What is that which can be seen in photos of the moon at the Apollo landing sites? Nothing, NASA faked the photos, the moon is a hologram! Why do artillery shells respond to the Coriolis effect which has to be corrected for if the gunners want to hit their targets? They don't, the aiming algorithm is faked! How do all those Foucault pendulums at different latitudes work? They have little motors at the suspension point, all programmed secretly to adjust the swing for the latitude of the installation! How does an airplane maintain a constant altitude over the ground if the Earth is a globe, it should get higher and higher as the Earth surface falls away, right?  Why does a cyclone spin the "wrong way" off the coast of Yemen... since Yemen is in the Southern "hemisphere"?  And on and on....

Seriously, how can you have a rational discussion when people on the other side of the "argument" tell you things like this?

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #179 on: May 07, 2016, 02:43:11 PM »
Evidence ?

Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?

the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .

as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .

@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space  programs .

Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!

@ Farmhand
that was funny ...

Chet, it means nothing to "SEE" anything with your own eyes either! I've seen a lady being sawed in half on stage, then emerging intact from the box afterwards. Hundreds of people have seen with their own eyes the Statue of Liberty being vanished by David Copperfield (and you can "see" him doing it on YouTube). If someone wants to Fake almost anything and is willing to spend the time and money to do it, it can be done. Don't you know... "they" operate drones that sit in the optical path of every telescope on Earth so that the astronomers looking through them will only see what "they" want you to see. Or maybe they project holograms from secret locations that mimic objects in space, just to fool you into thinking the Earth isn't flat.

No telescope located on Earth has the resolution necessary to "SEE" directly the tiny footprints or tiretracks or debris left behind on the Moon, so we have to rely on photos from satellites like LRO and its high-resolution cameras -- that the deniers claim are faked, even as the photos continue to come in from the LROC. You'll just have to take the words of the Astronauts who went there and walked and drove around on the lunar surface that they actually did it. Are you calling people like Neil Armstrong and Ed Mitchell liars? Of course they are liars, right ... along with the hundreds of thousands or even millions of other people all who would have to be "in" on the deception to make it work, along with the impossible technology that it would take to fake all the evidence for a globe Earth and the moon landings and all the rest, like Cassini at Saturn, the asteroid and comet missions, and so on. 

Meanwhile any amateur scientist worthy of the name can conduct valid experiments on her own that _prove_ that we are on a spinning, globular planet, and can make observations of objects in space that _prove_ that they are distant and move on paths that are consistent with conventional astronomy. The whole "flat earth" thing is a delusion, and a badly inconsistent and nonsensical one at that. What the flat-earthers fail to provide is some logical _reason_ for all this fakery. It's a religion, depending on faith in nonsense and the denial of the reality of _all_ contrary evidence.