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Author Topic: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?  (Read 76797 times)

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #255 on: June 19, 2016, 12:47:24 AM »
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If you have ever take a ride on a jet the first thing you notice is there is no real indication of speed other than the clouds in close proximity. The jet could be going 1000 mph and yet you do not feel anything once the jets speed levels off and it stops accelerating. We can only feel an acceleration and the Earths speed is constant thus we do not feel anything.

Oh good grief, let's say your in a jet going 500 mph at 30,000 feet now look down and you will see the ground is moving past very slowly. Why is that?, well because you are very far away from the ground thus it appears to move very slow versus when we are close to the ground. Now how far away do you think those stars are?, well there billions and billions of miles away thus they never appear to move... uhm because there so far away.

Have you ever seen a train Billy?, close up it appears to move very fast but far away it appears to be moving very slowly. Have you ever been hit by a train Billy?, because you seem to have brain damage and cannot seem to understand even the simplest things most children do.


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You conveniently referenced the 1000 mph constant velocity of the earth's axial rotation instead of referencing the orbital speed of the earth as it accelerates and decelerates around the sun.  The earth speeds up as it approaches the sun and slows down as it moves away from the sun.  The Earth travels around the sun in an ellipse. If the Earth were to orbit the sun in a circle, the Earth's speed around the sun would be constant.  However, this isn't the case!  In addition to this, let me spin you around at a 1000 mph and see if you'll get dizzy and thrown outwards by the centrifugal force.  Spin an aquarium at low speeds and watch what happens to the water.  The water will be thrown outwards (see image below), and the water on the earth is no different.  The water on the earth isn't thrown outwards and finds it's own level.  In a rotating earth, the water would be thrown outwards and wouldn't find it's own level (see image below of a rotating container of water at a low speed)!!!   I must reiterate, it's the rim velocity that matters and not the RPM.  Also, the rim velocity is independent of the rim radius.

In addition to this, according to the globe model, the earth rotates 1000 mph at the equator, and rotates slower above and below the equator.  Thus, you would feel either an acceleration or deceleration as a plane approaches or moves away from the equator at 500+ mph.  However, this isn't the case because the earth isn't rotating on it's axis.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #256 on: June 19, 2016, 01:48:00 AM »
360 degrees per 24 hours,, 360 degrees per second,, I wonder which one has a faster\stronger constant force of acceleration towards or away from the axle?

To those that believe the Earth is a flat disc there is nothing that can be provided to make them believe otherwise,, same for those that believe it is a sphere.

Now rotate that aquarium at 1 revolution per day and see how far the water moves,, it will move but how far?

I believe the Earth is a sphere, not because of what I have been taught but because of what I have seen, planes,, hot air balloons,, from the top of mountains,, out on the open ocean,, and measurements of the sun down a well,, (a long deep straight hole in the ground).

What would the purpose of the Earth being a flat disc be?  Would it of been produced by some outside entity?

I never get very far into the explanations of a flat Earth, they very quickly go against what *my* observations have been.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #257 on: June 19, 2016, 02:22:48 AM »
360 degrees per 24 hours,, 360 degrees per second,, I wonder which one has a faster\stronger constant force of acceleration towards or away from the axle?

Now rotate that aquarium at 1 revolution per day and see how far the water moves,, it will move but how far?


The velocity at the equator of the fake ball earth with 1 revolution per day is about 1000 mph.  Rotate an aquarium with a rim velocity of 1000 mph and see how far the water will move.  Like I said a few times already, rim velocity, which is independent of the rim radius has nothing to do with angular velocity which depends on radius.  The disruptive force on the earth's water is related to the rim velocity of 1,000 mph at the equator and not the angular velocity of .000694 rpm (1 revolution per day) of the earth.  RPM and angular velocity is totally meaningless and deceptive in regards to this disruptive force.  I suggest you watch the previous video on rim velocity as previously posted, or at least read and understand the text in the snapshot below.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #258 on: June 19, 2016, 02:57:26 AM »

What would the purpose of the Earth being a flat disc be?  Would it of been produced by some outside entity?


Let's rephrase that question!

What would the purpose of the earth being a round spherical globe be?  Would it of been to hide some outside entity?  Of course!!!  All through out the history of mankind, man has believed the earth to be a stationary immovable round flat disc supported by pillars with a dome above it based on ancient manuscripts and observations of the sky, until the last 500 years.  Then NASA and TPTB perpetuated the deception and lies with their fake CGI images of the earth, along with fake satellites, fake science, etc. 

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #259 on: June 19, 2016, 03:00:44 AM »
I will actually choose to run with my own test I have carried out over the years.

Velocity is a VERY relative value,, and it is very easy to get confused.

I would suggest that you do some simple tests and calculations that the tests will confirm,,

A large diameter wheel and some string and a spring and a weight,, PI is close enough to calculate the velocity of the "rim" distance.

What you will find is that there are several ways of looking at what is what,, bottom line the larger the diameter the smaller the radians per second to hit the same velocity.  2pi/360

Now make your aquarium have a length the same as the diameter of the Earth,, how fast must you rotate the aquarium to have a "rim" velocity of 1000MPH?,, one revolution per day maybe.

CP/CF,, the water spins out and away CF,, gravity pulls it back in CP,, CF pushes the water out to the edge of the tank,, CP is the tank wall pushing the water back in.

These I play with all the time,, and there are actually conditions where "rim" velocity is considered,, it can rip a flywheel apart,, especially when the mass is out at the edge.

I will go back to what I said,, velocity is very relative,, as such the "rim" velocity to a spoke holding that rim is zero.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #260 on: June 19, 2016, 03:05:32 AM »
Let's rephrase that question!

What would the purpose of the earth being a round spherical globe be?  Would it of been to hide some outside entity?  Of course!!!  All through out the history of mankind, man has believed the earth to be a stationary immovable round flat disc supported by pillars with a dome above it based on ancient manuscripts and observations of the sky, until the last 500 years.  Then NASA and TPTB perpetuated the deception and lies with their fake CGI images of the earth, along with fake satellites, fake science, etc. 

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That I do believe was when certain religions came to be,, not throughout all of mans time on the planet,, and not all of mankind.

Before those certain religions, a large chunk of mankind believed that the Earth was round,, and now even those religions believe the Earth to be round,, so it has come full circle.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #261 on: June 19, 2016, 03:23:31 AM »
I will actually choose to run with my own test I have carried out over the years.

Velocity is a VERY relative value,, and it is very easy to get confused.

I would suggest that you do some simple tests and calculations that the tests will confirm,,

A large diameter wheel and some string and a spring and a weight,, PI is close enough to calculate the velocity of the "rim" distance.

What you will find is that there are several ways of looking at what is what,, bottom line the larger the diameter the smaller the radians per second to hit the same velocity.  2pi/360

Now make your aquarium have a length the same as the diameter of the Earth,, how fast must you rotate the aquarium to have a "rim" velocity of 1000MPH?,, one revolution per day maybe.

CP/CF,, the water spins out and away CF,, gravity pulls it back in CP,, CF pushes the water out to the edge of the tank,, CP is the tank wall pushing the water back in.

These I play with all the time,, and there are actually conditions where "rim" velocity is considered,, it can rip a flywheel apart,, especially when the mass is out at the edge.

I will go back to what I said,, velocity is very relative,, as such the "rim" velocity to a spoke holding that rim is zero.

According to the table in the Machinery's Handbook on safe speeds, the bigger the object, the slower the safe spin!  If a 10 ft. jet engine fan made of metal can barely survive 1000 mph, do you honestly believe sand and water inside a rotating aquarium the size of the earth with a rim velocity of 1000 mph can do better?

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #262 on: June 19, 2016, 03:25:06 AM »
Hmmmm!

What about the documented statement from Dr. Auguste Piccard in the August issue of Popular Science in 1931 after his successful balloon assent to approximately 10 miles above earth that "it seemed as a flat disc with up-turned edges" when asked how the earth appeared at that altitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak

Jus sayin!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #263 on: June 19, 2016, 03:48:46 AM »
That I do believe was when certain religions came to be,, not throughout all of mans time on the planet,, and not all of mankind.

Before those certain religions, a large chunk of mankind believed that the Earth was round,, and now even those religions believe the Earth to be round,, so it has come full circle.

Mainstream science is a false religion in and of it's self that has put it's faith in mankind, instead of an Intelligent Designer.  No, it has not come full circle yet!  People are waking up to the deceptions and lies of this false religion, which is based on a false science, and getting back to what the ancient manuscripts have been saying all along, and doing real science and experiments that is based on truth.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #264 on: June 19, 2016, 04:41:53 AM »
If the air (atmosphere) is rotating at or near the rotational speed of the earth, then airplanes wouldn't be able to fly against the direction of rotation.  If the air (atmosphere) doesn't rotate with the surface of the earth, then we'll be blown over by 1,000 mph winds.  Either way, the earth can't be rotating.

A Saudi Cleric, a religious leader, has said the sun rotates around the earth.  At 2m35s in the video, they put up a quote by the Naked Scientists at Cambridge University in reply to the Saudi Cleric that says, "The atmosphere is moving with the surface of the earth below it because there's friction...you continue to move with...the surface of the earth...so there's no difference in flying with the rotation of the earth or against it".  That's like saying there's no difference in running with the direction of a moving treadmill or against it, because you're moving with the surface of the treadmill's belt below you because there's friction.  ROFLMAO!!!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #265 on: June 19, 2016, 06:10:53 AM »
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Mainstream science is a false religion in and of it's self that has put it's faith in mankind, instead of an Intelligent Designer.


There you go little fella... doesn't that feel better getting that off your chest?. You may believe in a god and your believing somehow makes you not unlike a god relative to us non-believing filthy heathens.


I don't know why religious people try to hide their beliefs around normal folks and it always seems like their coming out of the closet or something. Maybe they are afraid they may lack credibility just because they believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days versus real facts. Why I knew a person who was pestering me about a lack of facts concerning free energy but apparently their belief in a bearded white dressed man-god wasn't a problem...WTF?.


You see in real life as in the here and now and stuff we can prove there should be some kind of equality. Not I happen to believe in imaginary things so I can just believe and do whatever the fuck I want without consequence because he/she/it is on my side. It just seems a little off-side, a little I'm a nut job and you have to accept it with a dash of schizo on the side.


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No, it has not come full circle yet!  People are waking up to the deceptions and lies of this false religion, which is based on a false science, and getting back to what the ancient manuscripts have been saying all along, and doing real science and experiments that is based on truth.


Oh the ancient manuscripts, I don't believe I have seen those, were they on Fox news?... I don't have cable. I mean if the Earth is flat I should have wicked reception on the old rabbit ears but no... apparently I still get a shitty signal. Stupid rabbit ears, is there anything about the use of tin foil in the ancient manuscripts?.


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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #266 on: June 19, 2016, 06:22:24 AM »
Quote from: PartzMan
Hmmmm!

What about the documented statement from Dr. Auguste Piccard in the August issue of Popular Science in 1931 after his successful balloon assent to approximately 10 miles above earth that "it seemed as a flat disc with up-turned edges" when asked how the earth appeared at that altitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1p2WQLQak

Jus sayin!

Apparently it is difficult for many to comprehend just how massive
Planet Earth is.  Ten miles above its surface is minuscule compared
to the diameter of the Planet.  The altitude at which the gentle
curvature of the massive Planet is discernible is much, much higher
than that.

What Piccard saw from his balloon is very common and easily
explained by the Earth's atmosphere coupled with the enormous
size of our Home Planet.  The curvature is very, very gentle.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #267 on: June 19, 2016, 07:51:10 AM »
Now I shall reveal how SeaMonkey knows this...

Because he probably sailed completely around the globe (as have I) and
never fell off the edge.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #268 on: June 19, 2016, 08:25:42 AM »
If the air (atmosphere) is rotating at or near the rotational speed of the earth, then airplanes wouldn't be able to fly against the direction of rotation.  If the air (atmosphere) doesn't rotate with the surface of the earth, then we'll be blown over by 1,000 mph winds.  Either way, the earth can't be rotating.

Gravock

Just so we are on the same page,, we both agree that we disagree.

Take an empty tire,, set it up so that you can spin it,, fill it up with water while you are spinning it.

Now please tell me if the water is spinning with the tire or if it is not,, if you put a toy in the water what is the relative velocity of that toy to the water?  If that toy were to motivate itself in one direction or the other, what would that velocity, relative to the water, be?

I think that hands on test will prove that indeed the air moving with the Earth has a relative velocity to the surface of the Earth,, a plane flying within that air mass then will have its velocity being relative to the air and to the surface of the Earth,, but it will need to overcome the friction of the relative velocity between itself and the air it is flying through,, just like the toy in the tire.

Why is it a flat disc?  why not a square? how about 6 squares connected together?  what is it that defines the shape you believe it to be?

By the way,, rim velocity also can be used to describes the angular momentum when the mass is placed on the rim,, not when the mass is uniformly distributed between the axle and the rim,, and the rim velocity also describes the radian per second velocity,, 2pi/360,, which is used for angular momentum of a mass rotating.

Some of these mechanical examples can be quite easily tried at home,, and with crude stuff you can get a reasonable answer that comes close to the actual formulas,, and from there,, your hands on testing stuff,, not other people,, you can make a better choice from a better understanding,, not saying that it will change your mind but you will have more knowledge about what you are using.

I have provided you with a few simple hands on tests that you can perform for yourself,, nothing I can say or show in video will be valid in your view,, so do it yourself so you have no doubts about the outcomes,, but you really do need to do them.

7,917.5 miles
12,742 km

The radius of the Earth,, or is your flat disc using a different radius?

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #269 on: June 19, 2016, 08:39:16 AM »
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If the air (atmosphere) is rotating at or near the rotational speed of the earth, then airplanes wouldn't be able to fly against the direction of rotation.  If the air (atmosphere) doesn't rotate with the surface of the earth, then we'll be blown over by 1,000 mph winds.  Either way, the earth can't be rotating.


One little problem, the stars move across the horizon each night do they not?. Now if all objects appear to move slower as they get farther away which we know then all the stars farther away must move progressively faster than the ones closer as they all move across the horizon at the same speed. So either all the stars in the heavens billions upon billions of miles away move faster as they get further away just for your personal entertainment or the Earth is rotating. Now which do you think is more likely?.


So how exactly would all the stars move across the horizon each night as we obviously know they do with a flat non-rotating Earth?.
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A Saudi Cleric, a religious leader, has said the sun rotates around the earth[/size].  At 2m35s in the video, they put up a quote by the Naked Scientists at Cambridge University in reply to the Saudi Cleric that says, "The atmosphere is moving with the surface of the earth below it because there's friction...you continue to move with...the surface of the earth...so there's no difference in flying with the rotation of the earth or against it".  That's like saying there's no difference in running with the direction of a moving treadmill or against it, because you're moving with the surface of the treadmill's belt below you because there's friction.  ROFLMAO!!![/size]


I think this raises an important question, should you believe a Saudi Cleric with a grade four education and an IQ probably smaller than their shoe size simply because they are a Saudi Cleric?. You know I read about a cleric who liked to smoke pot and bugger little boys and he was in fact a cleric... so should you smoke pot and bugger little boys every chance you get just because he did?. Well no that is silly, in fact one could say stupid, so why should we believe any person in a position of authority may have more intelligence than a person who has devoted their life to finding unbiased facts?.


Personally I love facts because if you ever put me in a room with the Saudi Cleric in that video I would tear him apart piece by piece until he was crying like a fucking two year old school girl... not a problem. You see I don't care who he thinks he is, where he lives, what he believes or what he owns. Logic and reason are my tools and they are the ultimate equalizer because we can have a net worth of $2, believe almost nothing and be nobody yet walk into a room full of people and literally destroy any fucking credibility another person may think they have. I think that's pretty darn cool and you should be happy we will probably never meet in person. Because if we ever did meet in person my friend I would hope you are intelligent enough to know the outcome... for real.


So yes have fun with it, play your silly games and mix it up a bit... whatever starts your tractor.


AC




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