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Author Topic: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?  (Read 76958 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2016, 07:00:52 AM »
We have launched satellites in polar orbits for many years now and, guess what?...they show the round earth as does the other east/west sat. orbits do.  How dumb do you have to be to think the earth is not round?

Ummm...ever see videos or photos of a drop of water in near zero g in a spacecraft?  Yes, it forms a round glob, just like the earth and other planets did all those years ago when the universe was formed.  The water does not form coin shaped disks.

God help us if there are folks that actually "think" like this.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 08:10:32 AM »
There are a ton of flat-Earth videos on YouTube, many of them professionally done.  There is a full-blown flat-Earth subculture on YouTube.  You read some of their comments and it's kind of mind-blowing.

Nature has programmed diversity into all species with the DNA crap shoot and obviously there is a diversity of personality types and thought patterns.  Who would have thought that some of them would gravitate to the pizza pie theory of the Earth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSv-tq5GAY

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2016, 12:35:44 PM »
Here's an exert from the book mentioned at the end.

The necessity of accounting for the Coriolis force by battleship gunners is discussed in Marion's mechanics book. The relevant paragraph is quoted here:
"During the naval engagement near the Falkland Islands which occurred early in World War I, the British gunners were surprised to see their accurately aimed salvos falling 100 yards to the left of the German ships. The designers of the sighting mechanisms were well aware of the Coriolis deflection and had carefully taken this into account, but they apparently were under the impression that all sea battles took place near 50 degrees N latitude and never near 50 degrees S latitude. The British shots, therefore, fell at a distance from the targets equal to twice the Coriolis deflection." (Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems, Second Edition — by Jerry B. Marion, Academic Press, Inc., 1970, p.346 fn
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That is 100% total B.S.!  There's no relative motion between two stationary people at different latitudes while each has a different rotational speed.  A person with a higher rotational speed at one latitude doesn't move away or towards a person with a lower rotational speed at a different latitude (their positions will remain fixed relative to one another while the earth is supposedly rotating), thus there is no reason to offset the sighting mechanisms to compensate for a rotational speed difference in a rotating earth.  If the air moves with the earth, then there's no net force to turn hurricanes.  if it doesn't, then you're going to be knocked over by 1000 mph winds.  Coriolis is bunk.  Its attributed to all kinds of magic that either doesn't happen or is explained by something else.  Being able to calculate an event does not equate to knowing what causes that event to happen. Coriolis effect is not accounted for while targeting things over long distances, because "the Coriolis effect" as you've been taught it, doesn't exist.

Here's an excellent theory on the "so-called" Coriolis effect:  Coriolis effect proves flat earth.

The earth rotates west to east in both hemispheres.  If you're in the Northern hemisphere while I'm in the Southern hemisphere and you're moving faster than I am in an eastward direction, then I would need to aim more to my right in order to compensate for you moving away from me in an eastward direction and you would need to aim more to your right to compensate for you moving away from me in an eastward direction.  If we changed hemispheres and I move faster than you in an eastward direction, then we would both be aiming more towards our right just as we did prior to changing hemispheres, thus having to offset the sighting mechanism in the opposite direction because we moved to a different hemisphere is nonsense, LOL!!!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2016, 01:13:28 PM »
We have launched satellites in polar orbits for many years now and, guess what?...they show the round earth as does the other east/west sat. orbits do.  How dumb do you have to be to think the earth is not round?

October 14, 2015 NASA's "most epic" time lapse footage of earth from space CLEARLY shows this is Computer Graphics (CGI).  Observe how the clouds never move, how the city lights on earth never twinkle, how fake it looks in general,...look at the comments, everyone is noticing how fake it is...(see first image below)

Over 15,000 satellites, never saw one from the International Space Station (ISS) view or any other fake stuff they release
- Over 30,000,000 debris around the earth, same as above
- Over 84,000 meteorites a year, same as above

Here we can see there are no real photo's of ANY satellites despite there being a cluttered crazy amount up there (see second image attachment below of google's image search of satellite images)

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2016, 01:19:43 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oe1kDN10jM

Maybe you should read the only comment.  I'll post it here:

"I agree this happens when spin is applied but the effect of having a non perfect pivot point can make the swing go off by a small angle. It suggests Earth might be spinning but isn't a complete proof, for the reasons about the pivot point not being perfect.

The problem is, no pendulum ever goes past 12 degrees or whatever it was you said, it is measurable up to 11.5 degrees? If that is the only angle and no greater I would say that is enough to be caused by imperfections in the pivot point.

The only way to prove that is by machining a million pendulums and choosing the most well machined one and seeing what angle it deviates, I bet it would just deviate 1 degree or 2 degrees.

Of course all down the longitude line of the Earth, pendulums will have varying degrees of altered angles, making it impossible to verify without a great deal of organization and money to machine all those perfect pendulums!

Which is why I said it needs to be zero friction. It could be made with strong magnets but then you have the force of the magnet pulling it at times and we're back to the original problem again of needing "that perfect magnet" with a 100% symmetrical polarity.

There's a reason why these debates go on in 2015 :p

Like I say to anyone though at least you did an experiment IRL which is more than thousands of other people here do. I won't make a pendulum for all the reasons I said above, it needs to be perfect, someone at another point on the "globe" needs to be verify it and so on. You can probably point to examples of that, but each one has to be perfect and even just introducing more people could distort the figures depending on how accurate each person's setup is.

Unrelated but here's what I want to know - the sun is often claimed to be 3,000 miles vertically up above in the flat Earth, but this makes a sunset impossible, meaning the flat Earthers aren't working it out, but the thing is it could be worked out. At 3,000 miles, at sunset, at the equator (6:20 PM "every day every day" :p) would be at an angle of 28 degrees from the observer (in a "noon" position) if the sun were 3,000 miles up.

It can be worked out I just don't know how. The sun's distance from you at this time above the flat Earth at 6:00 PM is 5603 miles away (along the ground) . So then how can the angle be worked out of a sun that is setting on the equator? In the heliocentric model it is just a straight 0 degrees, but on a flat Earth it has to be a certain angle at 6PM on the equator, what I am getting at is what angle is it when the top of the sun is just vanishing?

2,000 miles up is an angle of 19.6 degrees.
1,000 miles up is an angle of 10.1 degrees.

Right, but how the F can anyone figure out what height the sun would be on the flat Earth?! Is there really any way to work this out, how can you tell a calculator when the light has gone? That would be quite the abstract concept, to a calculator! Its something "observed" at 6PM erm...

I honestly think in the flat Earth model the sun must be like 300 miles up or 500 miles.

After that is worked out I think it would be possible to then estimate the size of the sun.

The figure of 3,000 miles was, I think, created as a joke, but there's an answer I just don't know how to do it."

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2016, 01:27:46 PM »
Ummm...ever see videos or photos of a drop of water in near zero g in a spacecraft?  Yes, it forms a round glob, just like the earth and other planets did all those years ago when the universe was formed.  The water does not form coin shaped disks.

Being able to observe or calculate an event does not equate to knowing what causes that event to happen.  The earth isn't free falling like the zero g spacecraft, so why should the earth form into a sphere as a drop of water may do while in free fall.  If a spherical earth was in free fall, then there would be no "effects" of "so-called" gravity.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2016, 02:16:05 PM »
Flat Earth compass and the magnetic North star (video).

Why fly vertically in order to reach space in a spherical earth? If the earth was spherical, then we could reach space by flying horizontally.  Airplanes would need to constantly dip their nose in order to maintain a specific altitude in a spherical model.  On the flat earth model, there is no need to dip the nose of the airplane in order to maintain a specific altitude.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2016, 03:32:46 PM »
Well isn't that interesting because a rocket goes straight up and within a few minutes is mostly flying horizontal to get into space.  That supports the spherical Earth.

It's the old cliche about playing golf on the moon.  If you could swing hard enough the golf ball would never come back down, instead it would go into orbit around the spherical moon.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2016, 04:55:42 PM »
October 14, 2015 NASA's "most epic" time lapse footage of earth from space CLEARLY shows this is Computer Graphics (CGI).  Observe how the clouds never move, how the city lights on earth never twinkle, how fake it looks in general,...look at the comments, everyone is noticing how fake it is...(see first image below)

Over 15,000 satellites, never saw one from the International Space Station (ISS) view or any other fake stuff they release
- Over 30,000,000 debris around the earth, same as above
- Over 84,000 meteorites a year, same as above

Here we can see there are no real photo's of ANY satellites despite there being a cluttered crazy amount up there (see second image attachment below of google's image search of satellite images)

Gravock

Ummm...the space station orbits at about 100 miles up...most sats. are like thousands of miles up, geo sync sats are 22,500 miles up so, since they are ABOVE the ISS, why would you think they could be seen between the ISS and the earth?  Probably the ISS is the only Sat. at that altitude.

Please research a little bit before making such outlandish postings.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2016, 05:14:41 PM »
Flat Earth compass and the magnetic North star (video).

Why fly vertically in order to reach space in a spherical earth? If the earth was spherical, then we could reach space by flying horizontally.
... thereby ploughing through a thousand miles or so of thick atmosphere at, eventually, 18,000mph. You haven't done your homework, GB. Satellites are only ever going to be visible if they are reflecting the sun, and they are often too small anyway.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2016, 05:38:38 PM »
Ummm...the space station orbits at about 100 miles up...most sats. are like thousands of miles up, geo sync sats are 22,500 miles up so, since they are ABOVE the ISS, why would you think they could be seen between the ISS and the earth?  Probably the ISS is the only Sat. at that altitude.

Please research a little bit before making such outlandish postings.

Bill


The ISS orbits at 100 miles up with a gravitational pull of the earth that is 95%  the strength that  it is at the surface of the earth and you expect it to not fall to the earth.  I don't think so!


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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2016, 06:01:47 PM »

The ISS orbits at 100 miles up with a gravitational pull of the earth that is 95%  the strength that  it is at the surface of the earth and you expect it to not fall to the earth.  I don't think so!


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The ISS does fall... constantly... 

Fortunately, the ISS is going fast enough that the curvature of the Earth causes the Earth's horizon to fall away from the ISS at the same rate that the ISS is falling, hence the ISS never loses altitude relative to Earth (with the occasional speed correction required).  The orbiting ISS is considered to be in "free fall", which accounts for the apparent weightlessness within the ISS, not the absence of Earth's gravity. 

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2016, 07:49:47 PM »
The ISS does fall... constantly... 

Fortunately, the ISS is going fast enough that the curvature of the Earth causes the Earth's horizon to fall away from the ISS at the same rate that the ISS is falling, hence the ISS never loses altitude relative to Earth (with the occasional speed correction required).  The orbiting ISS is considered to be in "free fall", which accounts for the apparent weightlessness within the ISS, not the absence of Earth's gravity. 

PW

You believe in a lie.  The footage and NASA'S claims are clearly faked!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2016, 08:19:11 PM »
You believe in a lie.  The footage and NASA'S claims are clearly faked!

Gravock

Let's believe for a moment that NASA and whoever else lies about a flat earth. Let's assume for a moment that earth is flat:

What can you do better than NASA and all other scientists who contribute to building space craft because you know that earth is flat? Can you do better physisc? Can you build better rockets?  Can you come up with a better cosmology?

What are the consequences for your daily life because earth is flat?


To believe in a flat earth must have advantages over beleiving in a spherical earth, otherwise it serves no purpose:

What are the advantages? How is life better for a flat earther? What can a flat earther do better? Can a flat earther calculate the orbits of the planets in a novel and preciser way?

Greetings, Conrad

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