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Author Topic: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story  (Read 15700 times)

Offline memoryman

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2017, 11:00:17 PM »
YOU are making the claims, YOU PROVE it; paper claims are nor proof.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2017, 11:19:15 PM »
YOU are making the claims, YOU PROVE it; paper claims are nor proof.

                                     your comment is irrational !
"claim/s" makes part from Linevich and others patent applications which they have had to get aproved ! Some get US patent office grant but not EP granted !

                    I am not here offering own intellectual property claims !
"paper claims are not(neither-nor) proof " is probably more "paper money warranty" related ;)


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2017, 11:21:56 PM »
I read through the PDF.  I see a serious omission in his theory.  He is ignoring the well known law of conservation of angular momentum.  The is the law that says as the center of mass moves out in a rotating body the velocity will slow down and conversely as the center of mass moves inward the rotating body will speed up.  This is the way figure skaters get to spin so fast by pulling their arms and legs together as closely as they can.  They also stop quickly by merely putting their arms straight out.

You can prove this law to yourself if you have a piano stool or other chair that spins freely.  Just sit in chair and have someone give you a spin while you have your legs straight out.  Then pull your legs in and feel the effect.  After you speed up then put your legs back out again and you will slow down.  Pull them back in again and you will speed up again.  If the bearings in the chair are in good shape you can do this several times until friction finally slows you down.  What ever you gain by moving the center of mass in you will lose when the center of mass gets moved back out.

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Carroll

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2017, 11:29:51 PM »
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biellmann_spin


                             http://dlinevitch.narod.ru/Eng/Vvedenie.htm


https://www.yumpu.com/de/document/view/20184764/otto-stein-quotdie-zukunft-der-technikquot-pdf
                                  page 21-     from the booklet


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2017, 01:46:35 AM »
Thanks for posting those links. It adds stuff I haven't seen before - since much of this is in Russian, it slows things down.


Kanarev published a number of criticisms of standard physics formulas about motion and inertia. 


Suppose inertia was 'stickier' or more 'stubborn' that physics formulas would suggest?  I think this is one way to interpret what Kanarev is saying. He seems to show pulling rotation energy away from a spinning rotor very briefly without slowing it down OR perhaps adding that rotation RPM back that is less than what was taken away.


Anyhow, that's what I see about the Aspden Effect - I think it may be a genuine free energy effect in which you rob some rotation (or part of one revolution) and put it back (for less).  I understand that a physics lab in Poland replicated this effect, to its surprise. 


I can understand why people would have trouble believing this stuff.  However, has this subject been 'obstructed' by common attitudes of scientists?  Centrifugal force is breezily dismissed as a 'pseudoforce' with little thought.  Even Aspden expressed surprise at his rotational observation.




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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2017, 01:46:35 AM »
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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2017, 05:38:11 AM »
I read through the PDF.  I see a serious omission in his theory.  He is ignoring the well known law of conservation of angular momentum.  The is the law that says as the center of mass moves out in a rotating body the velocity will slow down and conversely as the center of mass moves inward the rotating body will speed up.  This is the way figure skaters get to spin so fast by pulling their arms and legs together as closely as they can.  They also stop quickly by merely putting their arms straight out.

You can prove this law to yourself if you have a piano stool or other chair that spins freely.  Just sit in chair and have someone give you a spin while you have your legs straight out.  Then pull your legs in and feel the effect.  After you speed up then put your legs back out again and you will slow down.  Pull them back in again and you will speed up again.  If the bearings in the chair are in good shape you can do this several times until friction finally slows you down.  What ever you gain by moving the center of mass in you will lose when the center of mass gets moved back out.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Its easy to go by assuming.

Can you mathematically prove otherwise?

If so, do it and explain where was the mistake.

If not, you must admit that linevich has better mathematical skills than you.

Its difficult to disprove such documents without in depth study, just saying things like that
does not mean you carefully analyzed all aspects.

Me I admit that cant disprove or prove at the moment, so I refuse to comment on his paper.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2017, 02:19:10 PM »
                                 to reply #64: http://dlinevitch.narod.ru/Eng/pages_E.htm  it is not in Russian
                                                   Kanarev is refering Linevich.

             
                                                      centrifugal/centipetal : counterbalance ? 

                                                      how many dimensions has time-space 

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #67 on: April 04, 2017, 04:31:07 PM »
It is difficult enough for me to read the math and concepts provided. The fact that they are translated makes it more difficult.  This is no one's fault, just language troubles.


Do you have a working link for the '25 watt to 400 watt' device?  The other links seem good.


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #68 on: April 04, 2017, 04:40:19 PM »
This is really wild and speculative stuff.   


http://www.synchronizeduniverse.com/IUFO%20OUTLINE%20v23.pdf


read the section about Hall and the "Tall Whites". I think it's page 43.  He identifies this gyroscopic movement and precession as the very mechanism with which UFO's travel.  They use spinning photons within miles of optical fiber that surrounds their craft.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #69 on: April 05, 2017, 04:59:37 PM »
www.gratisenergi.se/Impulse_Power_Secrets.odt

#59:
https://www.xing.com/communities/posts/alternative-loesung-zur-energiegewinnung-1003340445
Der russische Wissenschaftler Edwid Linevich (Vladivostok) hat im August 2007 ein Patent für einen Unwuchtmotor angemeldet, der den Weg in zu einer umweltverträglichen Stromversorgung ebnen kann. Die Funktionfähigkeit des Motors wurde mit einem Testmodell im März 2008 unter Beweis gestellt. http://www.perpetuumobile.eu Die Testergebnisse sind erstaunlich:
Bei einer Leistungsaufnahme von nur 25 Watt entwickelt der Motor eine Leistung von 400 Watt .


 http://web.archive.org/web/20080610065702/http://www.perpetuumobile.eu/

Arestov and Linevich are co-partners :  Permotors GmbH(~Lda.)/Austria
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=permotors&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
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Offline memoryman

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2017, 05:04:42 PM »
Hermes is a very firm believer in OU/FE. He has no grounding in physics/math.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2017, 05:20:42 PM »
It's hard to make complete sense of what Kanarev says in the NPA document.  The device in the photo looks to be a simplified motor generator because it looks quite different from the mechanically complex Linevich device with its double clutch arrangement.  Also, I don't understand why he goes on about electrolysis when free energy seems to be available directly in that which he proposes.


Perhaps he is re-directing the subject because (as he says), he doesn't want to be done away with by exposing 'free energy' !


The US Linevich patent seems odd to me because it is a complex mechanical arrangement (two clutches, for example) - and I would think that the whole device could be greatly simplified if he made it as a switched motor-generator, with input power supplied for part of one rotation - as the clutches are intended to do. Perhaps that's what Kanarev did already with the pulse generator.
OTOH, he may be limited in his resources ($) and nobody probably listens to him - so he may have simply gone with what he has for the patent filing.  (US 8866314)


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #72 on: April 05, 2017, 05:33:59 PM »
Anyone thinking that a motor/generator of any configuration will produce FE needs to do some study of basics.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #73 on: April 05, 2017, 06:00:46 PM »
As a Physics Professor, Kanarev is saying that the common math about inertia is in error.  As an engineer, Linevich is saying the same thing - at least in regard to unbalanced centrifugal forces.


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #74 on: April 05, 2017, 06:03:34 PM »
The proof is in the pudding, not in claims.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
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