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Author Topic: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story  (Read 11043 times)

Offline seychelles

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2016, 09:23:23 AM »
HI all, i do not know if it is centripetal or centrifugal, but is rather interesting.
i have contacted the guy in Greece and he reckon 5000 euro for his 4.5kw..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-L6_rVmU5U
His other videos gives a bit more info of the working principle of his invention..

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2016, 11:09:52 AM »
http://www.ariplex.com/bg/bg_rotne.pdf


On page 13, this analysis of a reputed free energy device, reports an independent observation of what Aspden saw, apparently without any knowledge of his experiment.  I now need to gather observations of what Linevich saw:  apparent overunity in unbalanced rotation or vibration. Also, is there a clear hypothesis as to why or how this happens?

Yes it appears to be an independent observation like Aspden's, my question to you is: How can anyone/you use it if you, or "we"  are unable to "MAKE MORE of the same" - let alone "CREATE" energy?

As for Linevich seeing QUOTE QUOTE "apparent overunity"(LoL) : it is simply the acceleration of mass in conjunction with a lever and that combination is very real as explained beginning with 1/2mV^2 and the "Law of levers".

Unbalanced rotation or vibration can and will generate Kinetic energy but: also will make the device self destructing/short lived/high maintenance along with being/becoming an overly complicated mechanical mess/nightmare.

Attached find "specific, precise" photo's of a simplistic "device" using "cold hard lead" for its mass density rather than "concrete" that is functionally similar to Wuerth's stuff, made before ever having learned of his "stuff".

What could/would I "know" about any of this "using energy to MAKE MORE of the same" since you made the assertion there is "no real effect to iterate" ? ? ?


Offline lancaIV

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2016, 01:24:56 PM »
Robert Cook Inertial Propulsion Engine and a similar story !
http://www.forceborne.com/FBW/index2.htm


Linevich and partners did not find an investor to develop his idea !

The F. Wuerth Converter finally ended as a fraud. 

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2016, 03:17:08 PM »
Thank you for the pictures. Perhaps you could supply a link that describes your mechanical device in detail.


I don't understand what you are saying.  If free energy is available from some sort of rotating mechanical arrangement, then how do we account for it within what is known about physics? It seems to me that either we are pulling energy from spinning nuclei (as Morgan/Wallace seem to be describing) or something like this:


http://www.intalek.com/Index/Index.htm


This second choice somehow involves separate inertial frames creating an energy difference between them.  This would be a huge loophole or exception within physics conservation of energy. If it were true, it comes close to saying, "that's just the way the universe works, don't expect any further reductionist explanation". And it may involve Relativity in a way no one thought...


Perhaps that is what you are trying to explain..... and maybe it is the final truth here.  Is it possible that inventors across time keep stumbling across this but reap rejection again and again?  I am not a physicist and I'm just trying to reason on this weirdness. 


Is it possible that the Aspden effect shows that energy can be removed from a flywheel in one amount........and then replaced by a lesser amount to maintain the RPM exactly where it started?  If so, is imbalance of the rotor required?


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2016, 03:40:39 PM »
Yes it appears to be an independent observation like Aspden's, my question to you is: How can anyone/you use it if you, or "we"  are unable to "MAKE MORE of the same" - let alone "CREATE" energy?

As for Linevich seeing QUOTE QUOTE "apparent overunity"(LoL) : it is simply the acceleration of mass in conjunction with a lever and that combination is very real as explained beginning with 1/2mV^2 and the "Law of levers".

Unbalanced rotation or vibration can and will generate Kinetic energy but: also will make the device self destructing/short lived/high maintenance along with being/becoming an overly complicated mechanical mess/nightmare.

Attached find "specific, precise" photo's of a simplistic "device" using "cold hard lead" for its mass density rather than "concrete" that is functionally similar to Wuerth's stuff, made before ever having learned of his "stuff".

What could/would I "know" about any of this "using energy to MAKE MORE of the same" since you made the assertion there is "no real effect to iterate" ? ? ?


If this would be so easy then this publication content would be common,
"law of lever" here defined as  "A generator is rotated by using power by employing by physical principle an apparatus which utilizes a lever shaft increasing force" :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19830729&CC=JP&NR=S58127557A&KC=A

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2016, 03:40:39 PM »
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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2016, 05:28:07 PM »

If this would be so easy then this publication content would be common,
"law of lever" here defined as  "A generator is rotated by using power by employing by physical principle an apparatus which utilizes a lever shaft increasing force" :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19830729&CC=JP&NR=S58127557A&KC=A

That patent is a nice find actually, and one I did not find. Not that what it describes works, just that you found it and I didn't.

Nice work, however: There is much more than increasing FORCE alone involved.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2016, 05:31:06 PM »
Thank you for the pictures. Perhaps you could supply a link that describes your mechanical device in detail.

You are welcome. Perhaps yes, but no link will be posted "to learn from" in part because of what you wrote earlier. Please try hard to understand: that device is only ONE OF MANY that were REQUIRED for me to LEARN FROM as to what Nature requires OF "us" (anyone, you, them, or me) to do if "we" ever plan on getting more output than our original input.

I don't understand what you are saying.  If free energy is available from some sort of rotating mechanical arrangement, then how do we account for it within what is known about physics?

You don't understand that right now, but that does not mean that you cannot or never will be ABLE TO. It take$ TIME and hard WORK, that much I DO KNOW. "Known physics": Known by who? Would they be the same people who claim/assert they "don't have time to bother with any of this or that concerning "free energy" and cannot or will not MAKE TIME WITHIN TIME they do have, and haven't been GIVEN THE ABILITY to figure it out themselves and or simply tell everyone else that there is no such thing? (iLoL)

It seems to me that either we are pulling energy from spinning nuclei (as Morgan/Wallace seem to be describing) or something like this:

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Index.htm

This second choice somehow involves separate inertial frames creating an energy difference between them.  This would be a huge loophole or exception within physics conservation of energy. If it were true, it comes close to saying, "that's just the way the universe works, don't expect any further reductionist explanation". And it may involve Relativity in a way no one thought...

Perhaps that is what you are trying to explain..... and maybe it is the final truth here.  Is it possible that inventors across time keep stumbling across this but reap rejection again and again?  I am not a physicist and I'm just trying to reason on this weirdness. 

Things are not always what they "seem". Besides, even if "energy" was coming "from spinning nuclei": where did they and their spin come from?

"the final truth" : I like that because when and: "if you listen very hard" you may find it "SEEMS"to take you directly to "the beginning". Of course in the second choice "Truth is stranger than fiction." and some will argue "truth is a relative thing". Not me.

Is it possible that the Aspden effect shows that energy can be removed from a flywheel in one amount........and then replaced by a lesser amount to maintain the RPM exactly where it started?  If so, is imbalance of the rotor required?

A third choice: contact me.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2016, 05:31:06 PM »
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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2016, 06:01:22 AM »
I believe that I have the key to the mechanical overunity, not this design, my design is entirely different. My design, is as per PurelyPrimitives, only heavily modified by me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zofLzxcc5AE

This is just showoff. As you can see, Topsolid is tool of  building men who wish to make a product and study overunity to "make america great again".

If you wish to see more, you must tell Topsolid, Missler Software to stick to the "original deal"- another 100$ for pettyness.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2016, 10:38:43 PM »
Another question comes to mind - it is evident that some sort of field ('kinemassic' or gravimagnetic?) can exist near a rotating mass.  The Morgan experiment claimed a reverse rotation triggered in an extremely close similar rotor.  Is any of that transmitted or triggered rotation "free"?  Does any sort of drag exist between the two such that conservation of energy is perfectly maintained?


I think I will look at torsion claims by Russians and Kozyrev in particular.  There were counterclaims of error or fraud with these but that doesn't mean all of it was false.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2016, 01:11:27 AM »
If they did not get money or make an appealing video, I doubt there was a real device associated.

Your theory is meager  what exactly is the design you have please show me a 3d design that manufacturable. Yes Russian theory of text is interesting but it's late now in the game. Close to midnight


It's not easy I fail many time to make good design. Hurry and show

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
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Offline Eighthman

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2016, 02:24:31 AM »
You sound rather apocalyptic.  I'm not ready for any design until I feel I have a correct theory.  All these youtube videos are annoying because they show lots of belts and wheels that mean nothing without a solid rationale as to how the reputed overunity gadget works.


We need to look at odd, obscure effects that physics has overlooked.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2016, 12:07:19 PM »
                                    " We need to look at odd, obscure effects that physics has overlooked."

                                               Not physics but conventional physicians and engineers !

                                   It is a step up/down (= lever) game with the "parametric" functions time and distance  !

                                                   Pulse with modulation;PWM and the "duty cycle"

             https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20121011&CC=US&NR=2012256422A1&KC=A1

 [0087] Power from Ph.1 stator winding is effectively the root-mean-square value of its stator current multiplied by its rms stator voltage=(Ph.1 peak current)*(Ph.1 peak voltage)*(0.5). Likewise, Ph.2 power=(Ph.2 peak current)*(Ph.2 peak voltage)*(0.5). Since Ph.1 and Ph.2 are essentially equal in magnitude and time displaced by 90° phase relative to each other, the Ph.1 plus Ph.2 power sum is (peak current)*(peak voltage) of either Phase 1 or Phase 2.
Inasmuch as peak current and voltage of Ph.1 and Ph.2 are equal to each other, and each is sinusoidal with 90° relative phase, and sin<2>(A)+cos<2>(A)=1, and the sum of power from Ph.1 and Ph.2 equals power fed to the DC power bus IDC*VDC, then, for either phase: (peak stator current)*(peak stator voltage)=(IDC,*VDC).


[0089] The above equation explains why controlling peak stator current so it is proportional to speed squared, when multiplied by peak stator voltage, which is proportional to speed, results in output power (IDC*VDC) proportional to the third power of speed. Coupling this generator to a wind turbine having blade pitch control or other means to limit its speed maximizes energy yield from the most prevalent winds, when power usually is most needed. It also protects the turbine from mechanical stress incurred by turbines that do not have said speed-limiting features, while still providing controlled DC electric power at levels its loads can accept.


[0090] Generator power and efficiency with wind turbine drive is computed below, for a representative example of the present invention, at maximum shaft speed, mid-speed, and minimum usable speed, using a few simplifying approximations. Shaft speed, power, and the other variables in the computations herebelow are exemplary, and not intended as limiting the present invention in any way. This will help explain FIG. 1 and FIG. 2 configuration operation, distinctions and improvements over widely used prior art generators:


[0091] Let maximum speed equal 1000 revolutions per minute (rpm), mid-speed equal 500 rpm, and minimum speed equal 100 rpm. Also, let maximum stator current Imax=10 amperes, and nominal VDC=100 volts. Further, let Q1-Q4 power MOSFET ON resistance Rdson=0.01 ohm, inductor L1-L4 series pair winding resistance RL=0.1 ohm. Also, stator winding resistance Rs=0.15 ohm, stator voltage Vmax=100 volts at 1000 rpm, and fly-back (free-wheeling) diode D1-D8 forward drop Vf=1-volt at 10 amp. These parameters are consistent with a test prototype, according to the present invention, developed to generate power from wind turbines.


[0092] At 1000 rpm, Vmax=100 volts, so PWM duty-cycle (Ton)/(Ton+Toff) is essentially zero. Therefore, losses=Imax<2>(RL+Rs)+2 VfImax=(10 amp)<2>(0.25 ohm)+(2 volt)(10 amp), amounting to 45 watts loss. Output power=(Imax)*(Vmax)=(Imax)*(VDC)=(10 amp)(100 volts)=1000 watts. So, generator efficiency at maximum speed and maximum power is about 95% for this example of generator and integrated electronics parameters.


[0093] At 500 rpm, Imax=(10 amp)/(4)=2.5 amps; and Vmax=(100 volts)*(0.5)=50 volts. So PWM duty-cycle=1⁄2. Average pulse power generated=(Imax)*(Vmax)=(Imax)*(VDC)/2=(2.5 amp)(50 volt)=125 watts. Losses to maintain inductor current=Imax<2>(RL+Rs+Ron)=(2.5 amp)<2>(0.26 ohm)=1.6 watts. Fly-back diode losses=2 Vf*Imax/2=(0.6 v)(2.5 amp)=1.5 watts. So total losses=3.1 watts. Therefore, mid-speed generator efficiency is about 97%.


[0094] At 100 rpm, Imax=(10 amp)/(100)=0.1 amp; and Vmax=(100 volts)/(10)=10-volts. So PWM duty-cycle= 9/10. Average pulse power generated=(Imax)*(Vmax)=(Imax)*(VDC)/10=(0.1 amp)(10 v)=1 watt. Losses to maintain stator and inductor current=Imax<2>(RL+Rs+2*Rdson)=(0.1 amp)<2>(0.27 ohm)=0.0027-watt. Fly-back diode losses=(2*Vf)*(Imax)/10=(0.6 v)(0.1 a)/5=0.012 watts. So total losses=0.015-watt. Thus, generator efficiency at low speed is about 98%.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           rotorical,static/MEG/linear ,kinetical/mechanical ?


                                                                                     Motor : B/EMF ? F= BIL  F= Compensation ?

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1
partial translation by google:

In a conventional generator the field strength B, the length of his head with L and the current flowing through is denoted I, the result is the size of the counter force F, which is exerted on the conductor and thus to the shaft to F = BLI.


If the field strength of the electrical device 2B, the length of its conductor L is and only one current durchfiiesst, corresponds to the thickness of the half of the current flowing in the generator current, is the force exerted on the armature force F '= 2B x L x 1 = LI.


2 This shows that the force exerted on the armature of the electrical device and hence on the driving shaft power is equal to the counter force, which is exerted on the shaft from the conventional generator. The force is generated to act in a direction such that it compensates the reaction force. A stronger current flow provides the required torque to the shaft. Therefore, the shaft and thus the armature are moved on and generates electric power.


In order to flow current through these half the electrical device, half the generator voltage is required. So with is 1/4 of the power generated is lost to engegenzuwirken the deceleration force. The remaining 3/4 of the energy generated or slightly less of them are for outdoor use are available.


If the field strength of the electrical device is a multiple of the field strength of the generator, for example, 5-fold, it is necessary that 1/5 of the current generated flows in the electrical device to generate the compensating force. 1/5 of the generated voltage is required for the current flow. Thus, 1/25 or 4% of the energy produced is consumed in the electrical device, while 96% or less of them are for outdoor use are available. In this way it is not necessary that any electrical energy is introduced from an external source in the generator according to the invention for generating electrical energy.

read also Kanarev "Pulse Power" explaination
 http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Communications-Mechanics%20/%20Electrodynamics/Download/1180

https://www.google.pt/search?q=ohmsche+gesetz&client=opera&hs=8XG&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirk-bShqXOAhWIIcAKHYUED0wQsAQIPQ&biw=1366&bih=640


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2016, 01:04:48 AM »
Fucking stupid people think there is an already made theory and guide to follow.

No, there is only youtube and guesswork.

You seek an answer but there is none, all you have is questions.

And for you, there is only one thing, Hillary recovery, nevermind overunity designs, its too expensive and you dont know how to make it yourself.

You need, metal, tools, bearings, solid design, if all this is impossible for you then you should find another hobby for the time being.

First, become good builder, then, in your spare time, with spare money, build for pleasure and see.

You will not succeed, but you will learn useful things in your path to the magic overunity dream.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2016, 01:28:17 AM »
I don't understand your rambling hostility.  Youtube is the proverbial needle in a haystack.


There will be no Hillary recovery. I have built - and will build- various devices in the hope of finding some form of free energy.
Simply throwing things together with no idea of a hypothesis is futile. 



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