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Author Topic: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story  (Read 11899 times)

Offline Eighthman

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Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« on: April 02, 2016, 07:38:42 PM »
http://www.dlinevitch.narod.ru/Centrifuga.pdf


I hope that link works - this is a document that is getting more difficult to find. It's in Russian, so online translation will be lumpy.


Anyhow, Once Upon A Time a Russian engineer was working on greenhouse pump that broke loose and started violently vibrating.  He analysed the situation with Heavy Math and some meters and concluded that the Vibration Was Greater THAN THE INPUT POWER!  He went on to patent a device that runs off centrifugal force.  Physics instructor Phillip Kanarev noticed this stuff and analysed it carefully Using Really Deep Math - and built his own versions of this centrifugal power source device.


That's the story as I understand it - and there are a lot of references here you can Google (Linevich, Kanarev, etc.)  The Interesting Thing About This Is that here we have both Heavy Mathematics and Physics AND Solid Experimental Results being claimed.  Unlike much else, this doesn't look like anything amateurish.  Feel free to comment, especially if you feel otherwise. Good Luck with all the Russian.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2016, 11:30:52 PM »
http://www.dlinevitch.narod.ru/Centrifuga.pdf


I hope that link works - this is a document that is getting more difficult to find. It's in Russian, so online translation will be lumpy.


Anyhow, Once Upon A Time a Russian engineer was working on greenhouse pump that broke loose and started violently vibrating.  He analysed the situation with Heavy Math and some meters and concluded that the Vibration Was Greater THAN THE INPUT POWER!  He went on to patent a device that runs off centrifugal force.  Physics instructor Phillip Kanarev noticed this stuff and analysed it carefully Using Really Deep Math - and built his own versions of this centrifugal power source device.


That's the story as I understand it - and there are a lot of references here you can Google (Linevich, Kanarev, etc.)  The Interesting Thing About This Is that here we have both Heavy Mathematics and Physics AND Solid Experimental Results being claimed.  Unlike much else, this doesn't look like anything amateurish.  Feel free to comment, especially if you feel otherwise. Good Luck with all the Russian.

What is heavy math and deep math?  It would seem to me that just regular math could properly analyze any vibratory system and account for the input/output energy.

Am I wrong here?

Bill


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2016, 01:52:36 AM »
A fair point, it's just relative but the papers show a care for measurement and deriving theories that you don't see in most discussions of overunity or free energy.  I just want to know if it's real.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2016, 02:09:03 AM »
Oh, and I want to add that IMHO the 'place to look for free energy' might be in pulses and transients.  I say that because steady easy to measure stuff might be completely covered by lots of Ph.D types confirming the laws of thermodynamics.


However, analyzing pulses and transient phenomena might yield some loopholes or things overlooked.


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 02:30:13 AM »
OK I am interested in this topic and have made a machine to test power from centrifugal force.
I am working on the assumption that this is not a scam and that his test numbers are correct so I don't want to get into a big fight about testing methodology etc etc.
I used a browser translation to translate the pdf in the first post of this thread and then went through the paper paragraph by paragraph with another translator and compared the two translations to try and get a handle on exactly what linevitch is saying and I think I have a reasonably clear translation.
However I cannot see how the retardation of the sprocket 5 is not reflected back to the motor input.
In my own crude experiments in the photo below. I can confirm that when the output end is free or fixed completely the input energy is virtually the same but if the output end moves but is retarded from free movement then the motor loads down and draws more current. Just as Linevitch states in the paper.


Can someone explain to me the below.
In part1.jpg
When the axis of rotation of the weight is fixed the weight follows a circular path. When the axis of rotation of the weight is not fixed the weight follows an oval path. The weight has to travel further through space on the oval path than it does on the circular path in the same time if the RPM is constant. Therefore the weight has to accellerate which mus draw more current from the motor.


In the linevitch system the weights must also travel on an almost oval path when driving a load. I think he addresses this when
He states on page 12
   "In this case the angular velocity Ω around the Z axis is considerably less than ω, Ω «ω, so we do not consider it."[/font]
 Can someone explain why it should not be considered.[/size]
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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 02:30:13 AM »
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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 02:53:56 AM »
Below is the european patent which may help

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 04:19:59 AM »
There is a loophole, but its extremely hard to engineer around it to to the speed of the clutch and durability issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSG1nroy_WM

Dont mistake the Karanev/linevich device.

With the explanation of why the Chalkalis device is an overunity device, by Kanarev

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 04:19:59 AM »
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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2016, 09:23:00 PM »
This is a quote from Linevich's paper on centrifugal force:


"Currently, there is not a complete theoretical description of the operation of devices using the proposed method of energy conversion. There is still a requirement for specialists to solve this problem."


In other words, he can make the overunity device work but cannot explain why it does so.  If anyone tries to replicate it, I believe they must follow his structure to be successful.


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2016, 08:13:29 PM »
This just struck me.....


http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/30.htm


If the Linevich device is real, how come nobody ever observed this effect of being able to carefully extract power from a spinning rotor?
Answer: Maybe Aspden did !!     If re-spinning a rotor can be done with far less energy inputted (as in stop -restart) then perhaps a rotor could be briefly slowed and then recover by itself - or be brought up to speed with far less power inputted.


I suggest a search for other inventors who claimed overunity from spinning rotors.  See if there is a pattern that agrees with what Linevich claims.

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2016, 09:29:17 PM »
That theory is just internet gobblegook. That link is the only place where this theory is talked about, said to exist.

The linevich has its own unique theory, wich is different than the aspden effect.


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2016, 03:51:19 AM »
This also sounds interesting, maybe supportive:


http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Gyroscopic_Anomalies

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2016, 03:12:50 PM »
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/TheMorganExperiment.pdf


The above references yet another reported rotational anomaly.  Again, if the Linevich device is a true overunity device, them we should expect that someone, somewhere has observed supporting anomalies about gyroscopic rotation......and THAT seems to be the case.


The overwhelmingly dominant view of energy conservation as never being violated exists for a good reason.  If we can find an exception, then it's going to something strange, that has been overlooked.  Hence, our presence here.


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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2016, 09:01:12 AM »
You bring some interesting studies.

But is there even time now or should we store food instead?

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Re: Centrifugal Power Source: The Linevich Story
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