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Author Topic: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)  (Read 27538 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2016, 03:58:44 PM »
Just wrote a decent size post and hit send and Unable To Connect comes up and lost my text.   >:( Happens a lot for me here. Then I can get back on after a few min.

Anyway, here is my coil setup. Gotta git

Mags

Hey,nice shinny setup there Mag's ;)

I too have the very same problem,where i hit send,and i get error 500-website not available. If i back click,it will return to my post i was writing,and so i just highlight my post,copy it,and then refresh page,and try again lol.

Yes-the higher the frequency,the better the efficiency. This is also the case without the oscillating magnet,but adding the oscillating magnet at any frequency would increase the efficiency again.

When you talk about using another coil to redirect the PM's field,the first thing that comes to my mind is the MEG,as that is exactly what it dose--uses a second coil to redirect the PMs field into a drive coil--or main coil.

Problem with that is,we use extra power in the deflection coil,where as the oscillating magnet is driven by the primary coil,and as we can clearly see in the video--it takes no energy to do this--apparently ???,as the P/in go's down-not up,and the P/out go's up-not down :o

Out of resonance,and the P/in and P/out go back to the same values than that as if the oscillating system was not there.

Next i am going to use a laser to find out where the magnet is in relation to the primary coils magnetic field. I want to find out what kind of interaction the PMs field is having with the primaries field. I have this feeling that some how the PMs field is leading that of the primaries field,and this is how the secondaries EMF phase is able to come back into phase with the current of the primary,and not 90* out as it should be --we will see.


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2016, 03:58:44 PM »

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2016, 11:26:26 PM »
Im getting 4vpp at 10.58hz with the 2 coils in series as pickup coils at full throw resonance using the drill to motivate the pendulum. Full throw is the stainless plate hitting the kapton bobbin of the speaker coils. The drill magnet seems to have very little affect on the coils so Id say good test. Also tried shorting the coils in series while driving the pendulum with the drill.  It has some resistance against the oscillation but less than I imagined. It doesnt kill it off thats for sure. Have some stuff I gotta do and I will apply electrical input tonight. Want to try low duty cycle pulses also.

Was thinking to use the original speaker magnets and mount the coils to the pendulum, but the angle change as the pen swings, and limited travel staved me off the idea. But we do need to look at closing a magnetic path between the coils and magnets to get better generator/motor effects, rather than open as we have them.

I have some carbon fiber tubing I want to try later on to replace the stainless plate. I get a lot of breeze like a fan when in full throw resonance with the plate, so want to eliminate some of that loss.  Will probably have to use 2 pieces of carbon tube with attachments at the top to keep it going back and forth instead of possible circular wobble with just 1 rod.

Mags


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2016, 01:49:38 AM »


When you talk about using another coil to redirect the PM's field,the first thing that comes to my mind is the MEG,as that is exactly what it dose--uses a second coil to redirect the PMs field into a drive coil--or main coil.



Exactly. May as well just use the coils field directly without the magnet. ;)

Mags

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2016, 05:04:08 AM »
Well I played with the pendulum some tonight using the coils to drive it. There are issues with having coils as I did. The larger thin disk mags go beyond the coil. So if the coil is still in pulling mode, when the mag passes tdc the input wants to restrict further movement because the coil applies attraction also after tdc. When I get it going with the drill and the moving strip is just hitting the bobbins lightly, there is a dip in the peaks, showing a current reversal since the mag is on the other side of tdc for a bit.

So ill do a vid tomorrow of things as it is and just limit the input and movement of the mag at tdc. Ill be using my android smart phone with the app Kewl Dual Channel Function Generator.  The freq adjustment goes down to 1 milli hz. Crazy. And to the 3rd decimal place. My amplifier most likely wont play that low, but works great for these low freq. Sine is clean. Anyway....

Remember how Brads device shook the whole bench?  Well mine is kinda undetectable in that sense at 10hz, but the whole device and base shake. When I hold it down tight the pendulum moves further by eliminating most of that loss. 

Another thing with the coils and mags is the orientation of the mag produces weaker field at the coils than if the field were concentrated across the coils from inside the bobbin to the outside dia of the coils, like a speaker magnet assy does. So efficiency is low in that area also. If the coils were in the speaker mags, I would need way less power in to get the same results. Gotta think on that one.   The magnetic gap of the speaker mag assy is a bit shorter than the coil length. So like a speaker, Xmax, the distance in mm of total distance of coil travel with the coil still in the gap. So this may be possible with a shorter pendulum where we get higher freq and less distance of travel like Brad had shown.

But will still do a vid on this before the next mod. Still playing with things to have a short list of interesting things to show.

Mags


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2016, 03:15:38 AM »
Just found something that is an issue also.  The speaker are the fr and rear 6.5in mids from the front doors and rear side panels. Truns out I didnt notice that and one coil is from the rear and one coil is from the front. One coil is 8 ohm and one coil is 4 ohm.  So that why while touching the driven coils with my finger, one was warmer than the other. ::) ::) ::) . Lol.  I assumed they were all 4 ohm as it said on the back of one of the speakers. So putting them in series is bogus really.

Cutting out the 'real' 4 ohm and fitting to the coil holder now... Lol now my script is messed up. I had it where there was 8v ac input to the 2 coils in series, came out to 8w and 5.6w rms. la dee da.

Anyway..... Never seen same looking speakers in a car that were different ohms.  Crap, some put 2ohm in for more sound from a 12v simplified amp without the step up power supply.

So that what Im doing here at the moment.


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2016, 03:15:38 AM »
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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2016, 05:44:34 AM »
Ok, lol, OK, I see I start my videos that way. OK! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fmmg9UXnw4&feature=youtu.be

Mags

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2016, 07:11:29 AM »
@armcortex

Your insulting comment has been removed.
Please stick to positive input on this thread.


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2016, 07:11:29 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2016, 07:31:30 AM »
Thanks Brad. The guy is just a troll. Seen him just doing he same on other threads.

Mags

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2016, 04:24:51 PM »
Ok, lol, OK, I see I start my videos that way. OK! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fmmg9UXnw4&feature=youtu.be

Mags

Thats a whole lot of magnetic field you have swinging away there mag's.
Would love to see what kind of output you could get from some secondaries wound around those two speaker coils. I bet the difference between the oscillator being in play and not,would be huge.


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2016, 10:48:48 PM »
Hi Tinman
model T coils are good to play with . the box is full of tar or pitch and needs to be heated to remove it in order to get to the capacitor for repairs , original is a paper cap.
you should be able to get one some where to play around with.
I hook mine up with the pri + sec disconnected = HV AC .
green cap across the reed on pri
the far right coil is tin can type coil , possibly Lucas cant remember , Ive done heaps of coils for HV experiments

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2016, 11:25:20 PM »
Thats a whole lot of magnetic field you have swinging away there mag's.
Would love to see what kind of output you could get from some secondaries wound around those two speaker coils. I bet the difference between the oscillator being in play and not,would be huge.


Brad

Ill do that tonight.  Was thinking on a bracket to hold a magnet with pole facing the back wall, and maybe build a front wall to, plexi, and put mags and coils on both sides doing the same. This way we can have the coils pole faces dragging higher density fields across the windings for better efficiency. Maybe some core for the coils, and maybe a stack of mags from back wall to front wall to not waste the field of the mags backside if it were just 2 separate magnets.

Also making a shorter spring strip for higher freq to try.

Be back later

Mags

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2016, 06:01:11 PM »
Cut down the steel oscillator strip,and managed raised the resonant  frequency to around 40Hz.
I now have increased the efficiency of the transformer by 2300% when adding the oscillating system.

Now to wind a more efficient coil.


Brad


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2016, 09:08:28 PM »
Been thinking about the idea in the pic below. If we put the mag or coil in the middle of the strip, they wont be following a curved travel and will be more straight up and down. Or sideways, vertical, how ever one may want it.

Winding some sec coils on the speaker coils today.

Mags

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2016, 09:35:43 PM »
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FLUX CAPACITOR AND ALL.. YEEEAH.


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
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