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Offline tinman

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2016, 05:58:16 AM »
Hey brad

Just a curious thing.  When we have say 1 subwoofer and it plays at 100db at 100w, and if we add another sub at 100w we get 106db. Now, it takes a doubling of power to make the single sub get to 103db. So from what I know, we can run 2 subs at 50w each, same total power of the single sub example and we will have 103db. Do you see the advantage???



Would be interesting to see. ;)   Lol, if you put 25w each to 4 subs, you get 106db.  12.5w to each of 8 subs, 109db.

So now, if it works with 2 coils in series and the pendulum moves more, then I suppose we can count on even more savings from the pendulum movement. ;) ;)

Hope I got that right. Have to go. didnt eat today yet. :'( ;D


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So, if you happen to have another drive coil just like the one you had shown in the vid and put it on the other side of the mast, then put it in series with the other coil for a push pull config, at the same total power input (will have to make voltage adjustments to get the same total power), you should get more movement of the mast for less input.

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We are on the same wave length here,as i just came in from the workshop to grab a coffee,and catch up on the post here. Thing is,i am half way doing exactly what you suggest above lol.
I have just been pulling another one of those transformers(that i have boxes of)apart to get the primary coil from.

The same thing applies with magnetic field's,where if you add two fields together that are the same in strength,you end up with nearly 3 times the field strength of one of the magnet-not just twice the strength.

I am using a strip of spring steel,so i would think that i am also loosing a bit of power to eddy currents as well--but not much,as the steel strip will have a high magnetic field induced into it already by the neo PM.

I also want to place an air core coil around the PM,so as i can see what happens to the field of that PM when the electromagnet fires--there may be some answers in there.

One odd thing i have found,is when you shift the frequency of the electromagnet above the resonant frequency of the oscillating strip,the amplitude coils output shifts out of phase one way,and if i reduce the frequency of the electromagnet below that of the oscillating strips resonant frequency,the amplitude coils output shifts out of phase in the opposite direction :o .

Much more to discover,and much more fun to be had.


Brad

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2016, 05:58:16 AM »

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2016, 06:13:25 AM »
Very cool Brad ;)

My day is free tomorrow.  If you noticed the mags at the bottom of my strip near the base, I was applying the drill input there. Almost right above the base brackets and can get the vibration to happen pretty darn good. My later plan for that it to make a short duration, high power, pulse coil to 'tap' (may even hear it ;) ) the lower magnets. Like Tesla did with the tapper box on the building.  Now what smoky was talking about that I just realized now is to up the freq and get the strip to say have a bend in the strip at 2 times the freq, possibly the top is near as still as the base, and up the freq again and have 2 bends in the vibration if the strip.  More neat stuff to do.

Like you said, I can see a lot of things to work with and do here. 


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2016, 06:27:15 AM »

One odd thing i have found,is when you shift the frequency of the electromagnet above the resonant frequency of the oscillating strip,the amplitude coils output shifts out of phase one way,and if i reduce the frequency of the electromagnet below that of the oscillating strips resonant frequency,the amplitude coils output shifts out of phase in the opposite direction :o .




Brad

When i was getting the battery to oscillate on the JT circuit, at times it was hard to lock in to the batts peak freq and as I slowly adjusted the resonance would grow then jump to another phase and lower level, and the same back in the other direction.  Havnt gotten to finding out why it happens in one config of parts values and not another. But possibly similar to whats happening for you. ;) Obviously your mast shifts out of phase on each side, as I doubt that your pickup coil just so happens to be reacting at those freq.

Mags


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2016, 10:00:57 AM »
to avoid any confusion with what I was talking about...
I have drawn an image.
pardon my crude artistic abilities.
the red arc represents the path of travel (standing wave)
of the rod.
the green line is the "other half" of the wave, the mechanics of which do not really apply to this set-up.

the result of this, the mathematics we use here, are half-wave mechanics.
the "wave-length" represented by the distance traveled, and the associated 'arc' of travel
establish a mechanical 'wave', which propagates at the velocity of the rod.
This is half of the total wavelength of the standing wave being created.

like sending a pulse down a rope tied to a post.
the pulse hits the fixed end, and the resulting wave travels back in phase
the result with the rope, is constructive interference, and an increase in amplitude.

Here, amplitude is fixed, and the result is an increase in 'torque', and to some degree, velocity.

the other thing to consider, is the length of the rod.
its kind of like a pendulum + a spring.
it will assume a certain vibration.
examine a single-pulse and let it oscillate.

in part because of the location of the drive-magnet/coil input
and in part because of a constant resultant between the 'springyness' of the base,
the type of metal (density), and its' length.

when the drive coil freq. approaches a frequency the rod likes to oscillate at,
it will take less power, and greater torque and "distance" will be achieved.

on the return stroke, once the rod is oscillating,
in resonance, it has the maximum swing length.
the rod can approach during the time the coil is charging.
this sort of "loads" the coil,
giving it a harder kick
very little changes happen to the magnet itself,
but the magnet is "deeper" into the field when the coil kicks.
if that makes any sense...
There is also some degree of 'reverse' induction, as the drive magnet approaches the coil.

anyways, here is my stupid picture..
 








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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2016, 03:26:23 AM »
The ever so mysterious flywheel engine, here is perhaps a more revealing video then the others out there, where somebody from a foreign country demonstrates what seems to be Free energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8

And what do you think of this concept? Would this create overunity?  I design this, I do not think it will work, but there may remain... A bigger secret, the pulse of Lawrence Tseung^, is it true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpnsMTHgRM

There good old explanation, I have also the vague rememberance of reading some theory about a nasa shuttle, where they would, "break the shuttle", at the right moment, pardon my ignorance I dont remember nor did I fully understand the significance of that article.

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm

If you wish to make a motor with mechanical resonance, I believe it is pointless and impossible, I am sure, it was tried too much.








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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2016, 04:31:14 AM »
The ever so mysterious flywheel engine, here is perhaps a more revealing video then the others out there, where somebody from a foreign country demonstrates what seems to be Free energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8

And what do you think of this concept? Would this create overunity?  I design this, I do not think it will work, but there may remain... A bigger secret, the pulse of Lawrence Tseung^, is it true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpnsMTHgRM

There good old explanation, I have also the vague rememberance of reading some theory about a nasa shuttle, where they would, "break the shuttle", at the right moment, pardon my ignorance I dont remember nor did I fully understand the significance of that article.

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm

If you wish to make a motor with mechanical resonance, I believe it is pointless and impossible, I am sure, it was tried too much.

Was thinking in the beginning of all this that a flywheel may be considered the same thing as a vibration device, but the flywheeel has one thing missing. Resonance. ;)

The flywheel doesnt have any specific range or area in the rpm band width that reacts like what we are talking about here.


"If you wish to make a motor with mechanical resonance, I believe it is pointless and impossible, I am sure, it was tried too much."

This thread is moderated. There will be no long winded page after page debate here.  If you want to debate and or post negative 'opinions' that there is nothing more to learn or gain here, then I suggest you make or find another thread to do that. This thread is for showing resonance projects.

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2016, 07:08:01 AM »
What if the "system" is a conglomerate?

No one piece is in resonance but the system as a whole has a period, or cycle,, where things behave in a harmonious fashion and the input leads to a gain in the amplitude of the cycle,, and only one frequency of the system will give rise to this condition.

What if in a mechanical system the system cycle has two rates of motion,, going one way it has one and going the other it has a slightly different rate,, but the system is locked in synchronous motion,, again from a conglomerate and again having only 1 frequency,, so to say.

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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2016, 07:03:03 PM »
Flywheel has resonance.

Ask L Tseung to explain his theory about how a unbalanced flywheel has a resonance.

Many people, including scientists, agree with his theory.

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2016, 11:55:59 PM »
Flywheel has resonance.

Ask L Tseung to explain his theory about how a unbalanced flywheel has a resonance.

Many people, including scientists, agree with his theory.

The only way an imbalanced flywheel could have resonance is if it were say put on the pendulum. And still, the imbalanced fly wheel would only be the driver of what ever it is mounted on, as it wont be the flywheel itself that has resonance. Otherwise almost no matter what speed you spin it, it will vibrate what ever its axle is mounted to. I cant see where there would be one particular rpm that has more activity than all the other ranges of speed it is turning. If you want to build one as a project and show us, you are welcome to do so. Not looking for simulations. Only real world projects.

Please, no arguments here in this thread. If you wish to build and show, then you are welcome to join in. If there is any further debate on this, rather than showing your project or offering helpful ideas, those posts will be removed like the second one you posted yesterday.  Remember, no negative argument or debates here. Helpful posts are welcome. Like if someone has an idea that will 'help' further progress, then I would let those posts stand. If you want to make a thread in this board for /Debate and Discussion/of the /Project/subject directly, Brad and I are fine with that. Just title the new thread as such. Even then, posters should be cordial to one another without name calling, and belittling others or we will step in. But project threads will be 'kept' clean and easy for others to read through. There will be /Project/ threads and /Debate and Discussion/ threads. It just makes it a happier environment to work also, and more work can get done without all the fuss.  If there is anything good to find, it will be posted. If it all turns out to be nothing at all, it will be posted.  ;)

Brad and I have asked Stefan if we could be moderators for this board. Not trying to stifle the right of speech. We are just tired of detractors and nay sayers filling up pages and pages of threads where we are trying to work on things. Look at 'Joule Thief 101' thread. Pages and pages of nonsensical arguments that NEVER seem to end. It is very hard to go back to find and reference pages of substance through all that mess.  I hope you and all can understand. ;D

This will be my last warning post. All further posts of opinionated negativity or distracting garbage will be removed without notice. ;)

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2016, 12:13:28 AM »
What if the "system" is a conglomerate?

No one piece is in resonance but the system as a whole has a period, or cycle,, where things behave in a harmonious fashion and the input leads to a gain in the amplitude of the cycle,, and only one frequency of the system will give rise to this condition.

What if in a mechanical system the system cycle has two rates of motion,, going one way it has one and going the other it has a slightly different rate,, but the system is locked in synchronous motion,, again from a conglomerate and again having only 1 frequency,, so to say.

Absolutely. If all the working parts, or say most of the working parts are all in tune, then I might think it would be a positive thing. Like in a jt circuit, I have gotten the battery to resonate around 1.5mhz with a few disk caps in parallel. If the battery, coils and say ferrite cores were all in tune, I think it could be a winner in the efficiency scales. 

But here, in the beginning, Im choosing to work with simple things first. Study 1 item in resonance. How to get it to resonate. How to extract energy from that with least opposition to the resonance cycle amplitude as to not kill it off. And then we will get more complicated, having lots of things resonating at once and such as I imagine it.

So lets all learn from it and see what we can find.  Brad has already shown that the input to his driver coil has lower input with the resonance of his pendulum than without. Id say that is a good thing so far, and we just started this days ago.  ;)


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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2016, 02:18:58 AM »
Ltseung says it has a resonance, when it turns in the same direction for many turns, not in a pendulum.

Ask him to explain it, I know it sounds weird but thats the theory.

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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2016, 02:23:47 AM »
Ok. will look into it.

Mags


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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2016, 05:09:50 AM »
I followed brads way of making a back wall to mount coils and such. He is a smart guy. ;D

Figuring some coils to go with it.

Mags

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Re: Mechanical Resonance (Projects)
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2016, 07:53:40 AM »
I have not had a chance to play with it yet, but the math indicates, that a conical coil
would have the most intense magnetic field, for the power.

There is a certain angle of inclination, and ratio of # of turns per distance, as the cone narrows, that is best.
But in general, the magnetic field condenses itself near the 'tip'.

just a thought....

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1) a flywheel (can) have resonance occurring, when it is properly imbalanced.
    as a function of the radius, and the location on the wheel the imbalance is.
    at certain RPM, the flywheel will incur feedback, resulting in a vibration of the entire wheel/shaft,
    and probably whatever is driving it. Not really a desirable condition....

2) Tsueng is absolutely insane. I have seen nothing "lead-In" or "out" in any of his theories,...
     which, by the way, he will attempt to apply to everything. Most are not his inventions, or ideas.
     


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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2016, 11:53:06 PM »
I have not had a chance to play with it yet, but the math indicates, that a conical coil
would have the most intense magnetic field, for the power.

There is a certain angle of inclination, and ratio of # of turns per distance, as the cone narrows, that is best.
But in general, the magnetic field condenses itself near the 'tip'.

just a thought....

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Two cents (I think mine are only worth 1.5c now, due to inflation...)

1) a flywheel (can) have resonance occurring, when it is properly imbalanced.
    as a function of the radius, and the location on the wheel the imbalance is.
    at certain RPM, the flywheel will incur feedback, resulting in a vibration of the entire wheel/shaft,
    and probably whatever is driving it. Not really a desirable condition....

2) Tsueng is absolutely insane. I have seen nothing "lead-In" or "out" in any of his theories,...
     which, by the way, he will attempt to apply to everything. Most are not his inventions, or ideas.
   

Hey Smoky

Do you mean a coil shaped like a wine glass? Bell without the lip? Also, open side toward the magnets?


On the flywheel deal. As I said earlier, I believe it would be the total of the framework weight and base, if not solidly mounted to say concrete slab and such, that would be part of the whole resonance detail.  But I dont think an isolated offset flywheel would have resonance on its own.... Lots of vibration at nearly any rpm. And like you said, would all be detrimental to the bearings and the lot like an old unbalanced fan. Wont last near as long as a balanced one. ;)

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