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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2016, 10:42:53 AM »
Yeah . It is cool, but harder (more expensive) to get such magnet.

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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2016, 10:54:48 AM »
Yeah. Sorry Magna. Will put it on other thread. Cheers.


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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2016, 11:03:18 AM »
But doestn in macroscale the movement is caused as result of interaction of magnetic fields.

same as with electric motor case ?

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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2016, 08:42:19 PM »
But doestn in macroscale the movement is caused as result of interaction of magnetic fields.

same as with electric motor case ?
Electric motors try to get to a position and that position constantly changes.
What position does your design try to get to and how does that position constantly change?

You bring up the Lorentz force but I don't see how it applies to your design. In your Lorentz diagram, when the magnetic force arrows move in the same direction you get repulsion. When the arrows crash into each other, you get attraction. That's why I think Tesla pancake coils work well. The lag in its design between the two wires causes the magnetic field arrows to crash into each other, making a stronger field. Discussing other ideas like yours in this thread is good but we might have to fake interest in mine from time to time is all.


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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2016, 10:12:53 PM »
i think it is because it "compresses" (makes longer the path of magnetic field lines from N to S) and the try to recover their initial state->shortest path from N to S.

same case as with magnetic motor.

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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2016, 10:14:20 PM »
and the Lorentz force

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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2016, 10:15:13 PM »
@Magna

"What position does your design try to get to and how does that position constantly change?"

same as with Lorentz equivalent design.

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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2016, 10:17:51 PM »
" In your Lorentz diagram, when the magnetic force arrows move in the same direction you get repulsion. When the arrows crash into each other, you get attraction."

maybe it is exactly the opposite->
when the arrows are opposite, i get repulsion, when same direction i get attraction.

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2016, 10:48:04 PM »
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maybe it is exactly the opposite->
when the arrows are opposite, i get repulsion, when same direction i get attraction.
I'm referring to the small field lines in your diagram. You mention compression and the lines try to become short again. I can agree with that but why are the lines not compressed equally on both sides of the central point of magnetic radiation? My answer is when the lines crash into each other, attraction occurs so the lines are shorter. When the lines move in the same direction, repulsion occurs so the lines get longer.


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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2016, 01:24:35 PM »
so the configuration of magnetic field lines from shielded magnet and the ring magnet  Doesn't represent the same picture as attached by you ?

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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2016, 09:46:49 PM »
I mean if you picture/map magnetic field lines from stator -> shielded magnet together with magnetic field lines from rotor (ring magnet)

the diagram will be same as with Lorentz force.

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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2016, 04:26:06 AM »
so the configuration of magnetic field lines from shielded magnet and the ring magnet  Doesn't represent the same picture as attached by you ?
Sorry. I don't see how they are even close to being the same.


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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2016, 10:40:22 AM »
Now you should see  ;)

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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2016, 09:19:52 PM »
Ok but the flux looks like it's trapped in the Mu-metal shield. If it's trapped in the shield, how does it interact with the field from the large circular magnets?

A current carrying wire doesn't keep all the flux trapped in the wire. If we saturate your shield then the escaping field is not longer circular. It leaks out of all the edges of the Mu-metal.

If you idea works, we can use at least two to get the attraction and the repulsion working for us. I have four in the image but really only two would be relevant for what we want.


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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2016, 09:38:49 PM »
I initially thought you were going to use the open side of the magnets as the usable flux direction. That part isn't trapped in the cow metal.

Worth a try but I don't thing it'll work. Maybe if the cow metal is thin enough on one side so it gets saturated, then the other side can still leak out for interaction with the other field?


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