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Offline uep57

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Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« on: February 08, 2016, 02:06:15 AM »
 I comment here for transmission lines is a wide known theme for electrical-electronic  engineers, is wide known the common transmission lines have a propagation speed less than speed light, however there is other special transmission line is missing in common circuits theory can have propagation speed too much greater than light speed without limits and the more greater you want, that’s the Nikola Tesla transmission line, or analog computers as named in other terms, and I wait this can help to free energy designers, however I start showing the common transmission line and the equations get the maximal propagation of the wave you can get in too much books or google, however you must understand this for understand the Tesla’s setup, first we have a line can to have any geometry, 2 parallel wires, coaxial, etc,…that line have series inductance and parallel capacity and you can see it as infinite capacitors and infinite inductors , for know inductance and capacity at any distance you must measure the total series inductance Ls and total parallel capacity Cp of the line and divide by the total length of the line, let L = Ls/s, C = Cp/s, where s is the total length of the line, so in any dx segment of the line you have Cdx capacity and Ldx inductance. The following is take a differential segment of the line and write the equations , solve it and know all the properties of this waves, however as you can see in the attached image is not needed solve the wave equation for get the propagation speed, just divide both equations for get dx/dt and the maximal propagation speed , and, as you can see the limit is the light speed in vacuum, er is the relative dielectric permittivity of the insulation media. This wave is known as a transverse wave has electrical and magnetical fields at 90º of space phase shift and 90º of time phase shift as you can deduce from this equations, this is the artificial waveguide made for the man and not as the nature propagates electricity, artificial as the Hertz experiment where sender and receiver are magnetically coupled as a wireless transformer
 The Nikola Tesla’s transmission line is the  opposite case of the classical line, is the way the nature propagate electricity in storms  using the Schumman resonant cavity Earth-Ionosphere or the way telecommunications can be made by capacitive coupling between antennas, this transmission line  has series capacity and parallel inductance, this line is missing in the classical text books of transmission lines and if you google for some web sites you will find this line in too much experiments and practical setups but is missing the math can proof its amazing properties, first as in the case of the common line we must get its parameters of capacity and inductance for a differential segment dx, now all is opposite, the total series capacity C must be divided by the number of total capacitors for get capacity in a dx segment, is C * N, but N = s/dx, where s is the total length of the line, the same for the inductance in a dx segment will be L * N = L * s/dx. Then we can write the equations of this new differential circuit and as you can see in the image there is another equations, the wave equation is a partial derivate of fourth order and according to math can be reduced to  4 first order equations of first order and get 4 propagation speeds, 2 real and 2 complex phase conjugates, however here we calculate the positive real speed. In this case is not easy get the propagation speed without solve the wave equation, so we can think one particular solution  I(x,t) = Imax * Sin(kx – wt) imposes the condition I(0,0)=0 A and a sine waveform, replacing in the main equation we get some relations of the parameters, other condition is in the load: I(s,0) =0 imposes there is not load and output terminals are open, then we have all the solved parameters for get in that conditions the maximal propagation speed vp is shown at the end and as you can see this propagation speed “increases with the length” of the line as if this line was a “wave accelerator”, so here is open the option not only the wave can get a speed more greater than light speed, as L and C have tendence to zero the speed of the wave have tendence to infinite, for example if the line have a length of 1 meter, total series capacity of 1 pf, total parallel inductance of 0.1 nHy we get : vp= 34c, 10 meter of the same line will get : vp =340c.This wave is known as longitudinal waves  have properties you can deduce from this equations are the electrical and magnetical fields have the same time phase shift violates the Faraday principle and too much other amazing properties of this waves you can deduce from this math.

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Offline uep57

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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 09:36:38 PM »
This is a video I've made on the same theme, there is some words in spanish you can translate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKX13NFZMic

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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2016, 02:06:07 PM »
This is the english version of the video

https://youtu.be/zZ-EFwdV49o

Bye

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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2016, 04:49:15 PM »
Thank you. That is very interesting indeed!


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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2016, 11:41:37 PM »
This is the english version of the video

https://youtu.be/zZ-EFwdV49o

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so now you have found that complicated video what are you going to d ith it ?

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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
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Offline Void

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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2016, 12:03:02 AM »
so now you have found that complicated video what are you going to d ith it ?

He didn't find the video, he made the video. :) The video is a presentation of the math which 
the author claims supports the existence of longitudinal waves.
Konstantin Meyl also has published similar articles and books, although I don't know
if the math is exactly the same.
Konstantin Meyl's website:
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=47_Papers&page=1&sublevel=0


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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2016, 08:40:45 AM »
Finally some independent calculations. We can get way much more than that.


(Sorry, I'm bad at drawing, perhaps theres an easy way for me to post some equations and drawings here ?)


- From the Maxwell field equations we can get the new field theory approach. 3rd, 4th Maxwell equations, material relations --> we get the divergence for D, H, and E which are all 0 in the case of scalar waves.


- Then we get to the dual approach, we do the integrations, we get the speed distribution for a vortex with rigid body rotation and a potential vortex (drawings need to be inserted here)


- We can make a parallel between current-through-conductor (ideal case: conductor with no resistance) distribution and propagation in regard to H vs vortex potential propagation through isolated medium (ideal case: total void) in regard to E, and the amplifying properties: permeability vs dielectricity  // pelicular effect vs. concentration effect
As easy-to-understand parallel here, think of light propagation though optical fiber compared to current through conductor.


After all this is established we can actually explain the contents of any particle with exact mathematical confirmation and confirmed via the physical/experimental/observational way. This includes:
- the actual structure of the electron, why it is not a monopole
- the components of the photon and what gives the light its wavelength (and why there is a duality impression - what the photon actually is)

- why particles are spherical
- why they have a spin
And we can
- explain gravity, what it actually is, how it influences particles
- what gives the speed of light (what makes it c)
- why time-space current concept is wrong


Note that I completely mathematically explain all of the above, while not violating physics/obervations, but some things I will have to draw (which is difficult for me) in order to be understood in an easy way.


May of these are not exactly on-topic here, but I have a 100+ pages paper written by myself regarding all of this (I can translate any part you may be interested in).

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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2016, 10:04:38 PM »
Overmind,

I am interested in your paper, and would like to read it.
Do you have a website where it can be found?
If it is not in English, then in what language?

Thanks for your explanations.

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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2017, 02:22:36 PM »
Your second model may not be Tesla's indended version.
But it looks useful for visualizing the phase velocity of a surface wave, particularly the surface wave due to a corrugated structure.

I comment here for transmission lines is a wide known theme for electrical-electronic  engineers, is wide known the common transmission lines have a propagation speed less than speed light, however there is other special transmission line is missing in common circuits theory can have propagation speed too much greater than light speed without limits and the more greater you want, that’s the Nikola Tesla transmission line, or analog computers as named in other terms, and I wait this can help to free energy designers, however I start showing the common transmission line and the equations get the maximal propagation of the wave you can get in too much books or google, however you must understand this for understand the Tesla’s setup, first we have a line can to have any geometry, 2 parallel wires, coaxial, etc,…that line have series inductance and parallel capacity and you can see it as infinite capacitors and infinite inductors , for know inductance and capacity at any distance you must measure the total series inductance Ls and total parallel capacity Cp of the line and divide by the total length of the line, let L = Ls/s, C = Cp/s, where s is the total length of the line, so in any dx segment of the line you have Cdx capacity and Ldx inductance. The following is take a differential segment of the line and write the equations , solve it and know all the properties of this waves, however as you can see in the attached image is not needed solve the wave equation for get the propagation speed, just divide both equations for get dx/dt and the maximal propagation speed , and, as you can see the limit is the light speed in vacuum, er is the relative dielectric permittivity of the insulation media. This wave is known as a transverse wave has electrical and magnetical fields at 90º of space phase shift and 90º of time phase shift as you can deduce from this equations, this is the artificial waveguide made for the man and not as the nature propagates electricity, artificial as the Hertz experiment where sender and receiver are magnetically coupled as a wireless transformer
 The Nikola Tesla’s transmission line is the  opposite case of the classical line, is the way the nature propagate electricity in storms  using the Schumman resonant cavity Earth-Ionosphere or the way telecommunications can be made by capacitive coupling between antennas, this transmission line  has series capacity and parallel inductance, this line is missing in the classical text books of transmission lines and if you google for some web sites you will find this line in too much experiments and practical setups but is missing the math can proof its amazing properties, first as in the case of the common line we must get its parameters of capacity and inductance for a differential segment dx, now all is opposite, the total series capacity C must be divided by the number of total capacitors for get capacity in a dx segment, is C * N, but N = s/dx, where s is the total length of the line, the same for the inductance in a dx segment will be L * N = L * s/dx. Then we can write the equations of this new differential circuit and as you can see in the image there is another equations, the wave equation is a partial derivate of fourth order and according to math can be reduced to  4 first order equations of first order and get 4 propagation speeds, 2 real and 2 complex phase conjugates, however here we calculate the positive real speed. In this case is not easy get the propagation speed without solve the wave equation, so we can think one particular solution  I(x,t) = Imax * Sin(kx – wt) imposes the condition I(0,0)=0 A and a sine waveform, replacing in the main equation we get some relations of the parameters, other condition is in the load: I(s,0) =0 imposes there is not load and output terminals are open, then we have all the solved parameters for get in that conditions the maximal propagation speed vp is shown at the end and as you can see this propagation speed “increases with the length” of the line as if this line was a “wave accelerator”, so here is open the option not only the wave can get a speed more greater than light speed, as L and C have tendence to zero the speed of the wave have tendence to infinite, for example if the line have a length of 1 meter, total series capacity of 1 pf, total parallel inductance of 0.1 nHy we get : vp= 34c, 10 meter of the same line will get : vp =340c.This wave is known as longitudinal waves  have properties you can deduce from this equations are the electrical and magnetical fields have the same time phase shift violates the Faraday principle and too much other amazing properties of this waves you can deduce from this math.

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Re: Tesla's transmission waveguide equations
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 07:21:24 PM »
This is the english version of the video

https://youtu.be/zZ-EFwdV49o

Bye
Problem is that in   6:49 of your video you  do not provide explanation of

1.HOW? in that "over-speed" of light situation you support your ""negative resistor" And what tools you use to prove it.? - the conversion .


2.WHAT environment you used inside the waveguide for such operation Vaccum ? or  filled with  particles such as air or  some gas and if.. than what gas.( by that how do you compensate the losses due to photon travel in given time frame.) 
a.
Statement: Photon as a carrier of EM wave can only interact with itself or give out its energy in thermal conversion  of collision with  e.g any  mass. By that photon is destroyed.


3. You postulate Einstein to be reexamined/ revoked/corrected- or what.?
a.
Statement: Anything you touch there including E=mc2 is building new model in physics
b.
question: What is your model replacing "Einstein" ?
c:
possible solution :  Do not touch it and stay where you are, or make your move /motion and lose unless your  "possible solution" is overwhelmingly , reliably  constructed as a set of  factors, withstanding critics by force of undeniability .


3. what is your  definition of energy from vacuum?


4. how would you describe Quote: inverse case of common line send energy top vacuum?
5. What is you definition of Vacuum ?
a.
what are the properties of  your model of vacuum?
e.g- temperature of vacuum? :)
b.
What is a function of your model of vacuum?

6. Please provide:
a. waveguide properties   (e.g efficiency )
b. mechanical concept
c. suggested bandwith ( or frequency range)
d. level  of energy transfer

Wesley

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