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Title: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: hartiberlin on February 05, 2016, 05:21:58 AM
Hi All,
I got today a new info about a solid state free energy generator that is build into a plastic tube.

Have a look over here:

http://u-plugproducts.com/
https://www.facebook.com/uplugproducts/
http://u-plugproducts.com/web/faq.php
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU3YA0InkB0


What powers the U Plug Generator? Rare earth magnets provide power to the U Plug Generator, working in groups to initiate and maintain constant, continuous energy.
 What do I have to do to start up the U Plug Generator? Nothing, the U Plug Generator comes fully assembled, and already operational. During manufacturing the magnets are placed in the correct location and sequence, the U Plug Generator is automatically activated and begins putting out 120 volt, 17 amp power, rated at 2000 Watts.
 How long will the U Plug Generator continue to produce electrical power? The U Plug Generator is warrantied to run continuously for (3) three years, however, the U Plug Generator's rare earth magnets are expected to continue to operate for 20 years or more, as long as there are no defects in the generator head, and circuit board.
 Will the U Plug Generator damage my valuable electronic devices? The short answer is No. The U Plug Generator generates a constant and continuous flow of 120 Volt, 17 amp power. It is not affected by power surges. In addition, it puts out what is called "clean" energy, meaning the voltage is a clean true sine wave signal, providing nearly perfect power for all of your electronic needs.
 How do we know there are no batteries in the machine?  First, no battery, by itself, puts out alternating (AC) current, the type of electricity everyone finds coming out of their wall sockets. Batteries generate direct (DC) current. Batteries come in volts listed as 12 volts, 24 volts, etc., direct current. A computer cannot be plugged into a DC current outlet. Cigarette lighters in cars are a DC outlet.
 
 Second, assuming for the sake of argument that batteries could be put into a six inch diameter, 24 inch tall cylinder, the batteries would lose power within minutes running through an inverter to convert DC to AC power. In fact, after only a few minutes it would become so apparent that the batteries were losing power as the device hooked to the machine would begin to run more slowly, or the lights would begin to dim through the natural diminution of the power of the batteries.
 Can the U-Plug Generator be brought inside an enclosed structure?  Yes. Since the U-Plug Generator runs on rare earth magnets, contains no internal combustion engine, and does not run on any fossil fuel or similar combustible fuel source, the U-Plug Generator is completely safe to use, install or store in your home, office, vehicle, or other enclosed structure.
 
 Best of all, and we've not mentioned this yet, the U Plug Generator makes no noise, and produces no vibrations, when in operation. In fact, until you plug something into your U Plug Generator, you won't even know it is running.
 How powerful are the rare earth magnets which are used in the U Plug Generator? Each individual magnet is capable of lifting over 2500 pounds of weight.
 Why is the U Plug Generator listed as as being a "Green Energy" device? Since the U Plug Generator runs on rare earth magnets, it burns no fossil fuels, has no emissions, involves no chemical reactions, releases no pollutants, has no toxic residue or waste from the creation of the power, and requires no refueling or use of oil to operate. The U Plug Generator is more "Green" than hydro, solar, wind or other "Green" technologies, and is more portable and affordable than hydro, solar, and wind which require far more space and cost far more to operate.
 How much does it cost? The U Plug generator will be sold at $1,795 MSRP, plus processing and handling, and tax where appropriate. It is favorably comparable to competitors' generators which produce the same amount of wattage, is smaller than the competitors' generators, does not have to be refueled like the competitors' generators, and is similar in price to the competitors' generators.
 What type's of devices can be powered by a U Plug Generator? Any device which requires 120 volt, 15 amp power and uses 2000 watts or less, can be powered by the U Plug Generator. This is a significant list. Attached is a partial list of devices which can be powered by the U Plug Generator (2000 watts or less), and some devices which cannot be powered by the U Plug Generator (over 2000 watts). Consult your electronic device, or electrical appliance before plugging it into the U Plug Generator.
 Is the U Plug safe for me if I have a pacemaker or other heart or medical device?  Again, the short answer is Yes. The U Plug was tested to determine if the U Plug Generator was not putting out any EMF radiation. (It was emitting levels lower than a smoke detector).
 
 The U Plug Generator is wrapped to insulate it from the outside environment, thus protecting it from Electromagnetic Pulses.
 Why should I buy a U Plug Generator? You never know when you will find yourself without power when you want power. So ask yourself, what would you like to enjoy in the following situations:
 
Medical devices that must be powered at all times.
During storms and natural disasters to have the basic necessities.
Camping or hunting to power phones, lights, TV's, heaters, and so much more.
Work sites and construction for power tools and chargers for drills.
Winter driving for emergencies and convenience.
Not having to find gasoline for your big, bulky, heavy, noisy generator.
The U Plug can solve all of these problems and so much more.

================================================

So far their FAQ page...
If this really works, this will be the gamechanger...

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 05, 2016, 05:55:43 AM
Looks fantastic Stephan.  Problem is, if it does work, their little outfit can't possibly keep up with demand, especially when their crowd funding died at 9% of the 1/4 million they where hoping for.  Therefore the only viable solution would be for a group to pitch-in, buy a unit, attempt to (silently) reverse engineer it and post the results (underground).  Eighteen hundred dollars is a pittance for such a device.  I'll put up $200 if anyone is serious about tackling this lion.

And don't, "I know why and you do too", TK.  Give this one some time.  At least until we have done some investigation of this group's background to see who they are connected with and what evil forces may be behind it all.  Very unlikely yes, but if they come up clean, we may have a winner, or at least better odds than winning the lottery.

First off, lets check these people out thoroughly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP3C0vwQv4Y

Some fairly detailed data here:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-u-plug-green-generator#/story

Quote
How it works

We developed a simplified planetary gear system with multiple shafts that have our magnets in them. Each magnet can pick up over 2500 pounds each. There are several magnets per shaft, and when they are in the proper position they begin to spin. This will cause a push pull type of effect that has  worked quite well for over 2 1/2 years. Then we surround the unit with the field coils to generate the power.

Not completely solid state since it has rotating parts inside.



Chet, care to take the lead on this one?
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2016, 06:26:42 AM
In the comments on the YT video, he says:
"Currently we have 2 patents in place and are waiting on a 3rd patent and so for security reasons we will not show the internal workings yet."
But I've been unable to find any US patents with Tim or Timothy Slavings as applicant or assignee. Perhaps if we had the patent numbers... 

Maybe when Chet calls them up    ;)   , he can ask for the patent numbers.

Also, if they are building 50 units a week now, why are the US Government still waiting for their units? And why didn't every scientist and technician and engineer at JPL also place their orders for units when they tested them back in 2014? And where is the test report from JPL? And why didn't the US Government give them a huge contract right away? And why did their Indiegogo campaign only raise less than 1/10th of what they were asking for? More questions for Chet to ask, I guess.

https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters/comments/3sacpl/get_power_from_rare_earth_magnets/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters/comments/3sacpl/get_power_from_rare_earth_magnets/)
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 05, 2016, 06:34:30 AM
That's the way Tinsel.  They crap or get off the pot.  It works or we bury them.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2016, 06:37:24 AM
I see that they are from Missouri. How ironic...

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There is no official state nickname.[17] However, Missouri's unofficial nickname is the "Show Me State", which appears on its license plates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Missouri). This phrase has several origins. One is popularly ascribed to a speech by Congressman Willard Vandiver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willard_Vandiver) in 1899, who declared that "I come from a state that raises corn and cotton, cockleburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I'm from Missouri, and you have got to show me." This is in keeping with the saying "I'm from Missouri" which means "I'm skeptical of the matter and not easily convinced."
From WIKI.


So... Show Me.  Send one of your devices to EarthTech International in Austin Texas for testing and evaluation. Let them publish a public report.

(I won't be holding my breath waiting for this to happen.)
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 05, 2016, 06:42:50 AM
if this really works, someone should open one up and see whats inside.....
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 05, 2016, 06:43:16 AM
I see that they are from Missouri. How ironic...

Ha!  I think we have a PhD living in those quarters too.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Charlie_VN on February 05, 2016, 07:55:14 AM
In the youtube video (bottom of the weblink list), it shows the girl with the fan. For 2000W (at 120V), that fan is turning very slowly. Seems a bit odd.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2016, 10:23:38 AM
Stefan
Thanks for Posting

Dog
Yes we do...
I will get on it in the AM
Tinsel
Don't hold your breathe ...You might Pull a Brain Muscle .....

Chet K
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: verpies on February 05, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
I'll put up $200 if anyone is serious about tackling this lion.
I'll put it up, too.

However it is very likely an Advanced Fee Fraud operation, where customers pay in advance to reserve their place in the queue and wait for delivery forever, while the U-Plug people resolve their patent issues or manufacturing issues or legal issues, etc...

if this really works, someone should open one up and see whats inside.....
What if the Tamper Protection kicks in and and obliterates the unit ...or it explodes in your face?
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 05, 2016, 11:03:52 AM
What if the Tamper Protection kicks in and and obliterates the unit ...or it explodes in your face?

We draw straws to see who is the lucky one.   ;)

I'd rather look at a patent to see how it works, but seriously, if I have to pop the top off one of them tubes after running a harsh overnight test on it first, I'd do it.  Maybe make a video of the U-Plug untubing.   ;D


I did a little poking around this evening and it smells a little fishy to me still, though I did get an email response from them--they would like to know my location so they can have a local dealer rep speak with me.   Hmmmm....

I tracked the originating IP and it came from Provo, UT.  Could Tim be visiting Sterling Allen?   One wonders...
http://www.iptrackeronline.com/index.php?ip_address=69.89.31.140


We shall see.  Probably end up in the Keshe bin, but like Chet said, no stone unturned.

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: pomodoro on February 05, 2016, 01:33:09 PM
Looks like these guys learned how to make money by watching those Aussie Russians with their flashlights.   8)
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: synchro1 on February 05, 2016, 02:40:57 PM
Maybe it works like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pppU85Z6N1M
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: lumen on February 05, 2016, 04:19:15 PM
I think the logistics are off and there would be problems like heat buildup in that tube and how can it weigh only 20lbs when they use several magnets with a force of 2500lbs? That would indicate many large heavy magnets.


How it works


We developed a simplified planetary gear system with multiple shafts that have our magnets in them. Each magnet can pick up over 2500 pounds each. There are several magnets per shaft, and when they are in the proper position they begin to spin. This will cause a push pull type of effect that has  worked quite well for over 2 1/2 years. Then we surround the unit with the field coils to generate the power.

We cannot give to much more info without divulging our secrets, so we have kept this explanation as simple as it is.

The U-Plug Green system will generate between 17.25 amps and 19.25 amps. and is controlled by 2 circuit boards located at the top of the unit. We have set the unit at 2000 watts maximum for reliability. 


The circuit boards control the speed, amperage, and the output wattage so that the coils are not damaged. Other safety devices inside the unit are provided in case water gets inside, and to protect it from overheating.

Maximum operating temp, Fahrenheit,  is 125 degrees and so far we have found that the unit will operate at -60 degrees with no problems.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2016, 04:35:13 PM
Only 125 F? Well, that pretty much eliminates using it during a hot Texas or Australian summer, or in military operations in any of the many deserts we have invaded.
No wonder the "US Government" only ordered a couple of units. Heck, my attic gets over 125 F around 8 months out of the year. Hey, I know... you could buy two and use one to run an air conditioner to keep them both cool....

The magnets and gear train are only supposed to weigh 7 pounds. That's about 3.2 kilos for the metrically inclined. Most of the rest of the 20 pounds weight is supposed to be in the copper coiling. I wonder where they are buying their magnets....  and what material they are using for their gears?

Provo Utah? That's the last known address of Joe Firmage's operation, there at the airport.

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2016, 04:41:08 PM
well
as yet they have not actually answered the Phone [answering machine]

testing at Jet propulsion labs and NASA /homeland security are interesting
if they avoided the "Patent trap" it would be interesting how those who pull the strings on global warming will
react to an obvious solution ?

Who is this Joe guy you mentioned ?
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2016, 04:42:42 PM
Two months ago they are making 50 units a week. So there are at least 200 of them sitting in a warehouse, or powering someone's LCD TV out in the back yard or at the beach.  I'm surprised we haven't heard about this on Fox News or CNN.

Ahh... those good old brain musckels. Nice to stretch them now and then. Feel the burn !!!!
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2016, 04:46:19 PM
well
as yet they have not actually answered the Phone [answering machine]


testing at Jet propulsion labs and NASA /homeland security are interesting
if they avoided the "Patent trap" it would be interesting how those who pull the strings on global warming will
react to an obvious solution ?


@Tinsel
Who is this Joe guy you mentioned ?


It is so good you "Stretch The Brane Muskles" ,,don't want to Pull one of those ...........

 :o
and thanks again for the Nighttime earplugs tip  8)

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: conradelektro on February 05, 2016, 04:46:25 PM
Wow, I will become a distributor or open up a dealership!
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https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-u-plug-green-generator#/story (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-u-plug-green-generator#/story)

There are also dealership pricing packages for those who want to help us and grow your business at the same time.

Our 10 pack or more generator packages allow our subscribers to become distributors.  As distributors, we will work with you to help you be successful in retailing the U-Plug Green generators. In accordance with that goal, there will be semi-annual reviews to evaluate the performance of our distributors, making recommendations and changes as needed.

Their team is awe inspiring and I am most impressed by the confident smile of the master machinist:
Quote
https://youtu.be/KP3C0vwQv4Y (https://youtu.be/KP3C0vwQv4Y)

Dear reader, you should consider to become a distributor or dealer yourself, the chance of a life time. But be aware that the dealership for Eastern Europe has already been taken up by me.

But look out, they are tough business men:
Quote
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-u-plug-green-generator#/story (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-u-plug-green-generator#/story)

, there will be semi-annual reviews to evaluate the performance of our distributors, making recommendations and changes as needed.

Greetings, Conrad (Eastern Europe Distributor and Dealer of U-Plug Green Generator)

P.S.: 15% discount if you buy from me (no matter where you live).
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2016, 04:52:38 PM
well
as yet they have not actually answered the Phone [answering machine]

testing at Jet propulsion labs and NASA /homeland security are interesting
if they avoided the "Patent trap" it would be interesting how those who pull the strings on global warming will
react to an obvious solution ?

Who is this Joe guy you mentioned ?

WO 2011044588 A3, 
Method and apparatus for an inertial drive

http://www.halexandria.org/dward177.htm (http://www.halexandria.org/dward177.htm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Firmage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Firmage)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg192CjeuK4

The last time I saw him was at his 30th birthday party in San Francisco at the Exploratorium. I gave him a switchable permanent magnet the size of a thick credit card that I developed, and demonstrated a bunch of electrostatic devices (it was pouring rain outside but my stuff worked fine.) Ah... fond memories, sexy women, money money money. Those were the days.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: conradelektro on February 05, 2016, 05:59:09 PM

http://www.halexandria.org/dward177.htm (http://www.halexandria.org/dward177.htm)


I looked at the halexandria web pages and found some novels:

http://www.halexandria.org/dward487.htm

These novels might not be the cream of science fiction literature, but still nice and for free. Miracles are hard to come by in reality, but in fiction everything can happen and might entertain you.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: MileHigh on February 05, 2016, 06:15:35 PM
This is just another "energy from magnets" con and I posted that on their YouTube clip and the comment was removed.  There has got to be several hundred of these types of cons pulled off each year.

The clue is in the language that is used on their web site.  They are incapable of properly expressing themselves when it comes to electrical power and electrical energy and related matters.  This is very similar to what we see with GDS Technologies.

It's just a big white PVC tube being used as a prop to sucker money from gullible people.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: e2matrix on February 05, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
We draw straws to see who is the lucky one.   ;)

I'd rather look at a patent to see how it works, but seriously, if I have to pop the top off one of them tubes after running a harsh overnight test on it first, I'd do it.  Maybe make a video of the U-Plug untubing.   ;D


I did a little poking around this evening and it smells a little fishy to me still, though I did get an email response from them--they would like to know my location so they can have a local dealer rep speak with me.   Hmmmm....

I tracked the originating IP and it came from Provo, UT.  Could Tim be visiting Sterling Allen?   One wonders...
http://www.iptrackeronline.com/index.php?ip_address=69.89.31.140 (http://www.iptrackeronline.com/index.php?ip_address=69.89.31.140)


We shall see.  Probably end up in the Keshe bin, but like Chet said, no stone unturned.
I can assure you that you don't want to put too much weight on an IP location.   I wouldn't even consider that for a moment in determining validity of this device.   
Sounds very exciting and I would buy one for sure once they have been out a while and proven but there is always a possibility of a scam.   I truly hope this is the one that breaks the energy monopoly and use of fossil fuels!!   I don't believe it is a huge threat to the existing grid and energy companies as you really can't easily run a house off of it.   It is only a bit better than solar and cheaper than solar but many people will just keep happily chugging along on the grid and many prefer someone else be responsible for their continuous energy supply.  Personally I'd put one in my boat to run the electric trolling motor so I could cruise all day for free.   RV'ers would love this too being silent.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: e2matrix on February 05, 2016, 07:01:56 PM
This is just another "energy from magnets" con and I posted that on their YouTube clip and the comment was removed.  There has got to be several hundred of these types of cons pulled off each year.

The clue is in the language that is used on their web site.  They are incapable of properly expressing themselves when it comes to electrical power and electrical energy and related matters.  This is very similar to what we see with GDS Technologies.

It's just a big white PVC tube being used as a prop to sucker money from gullible people.
Don't you think that if people are doing such cons so openly on a place like indiegogo.com that they are putting their selves at considerable  risk of prosecution and jail time for fraud - especially since they are based in the U.S. and not in Canada like GDS?   
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2016, 07:31:55 PM
True Dat !!
MH
when was the last time a claimant cited jet propulsion Labs ...NASA and home land security in their Vetting process ?
as well as 8x10  glossy's [you tube Vid] identifying principles and  staff ?

Conrad
maybe you should apply for a Job at Marketing and hire someone to Answer the Phone ??

any address for this factory ??

Chet K



Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: conradelektro on February 05, 2016, 07:35:37 PM
Don't you think that if people are doing such cons so openly on a place like indiegogo.com that they are putting their selves at considerable  risk of prosecution and jail time for fraud - especially since they are based in the U.S. and not in Canada like GDS?

The risk running a scam is smaller than e.g. being a honest electrician or builder. An electrician or builder gets sued by dishonest clients much more often than a scamer by his scammed clients.

And the justice system is in big parts fraudulent itself, e.g a lawyer taking advantage of a client or a judge serving a powerful interest group or political interests.

If you look at the offers at indiegogo.com carefully you will find disclaimers all over. You are participating without any guaranties.

The best scams are like this:

- you offer a money back guarantee
- you demand a modest fee off e.g. 5% of the money you take in
- and after 1 years you pay back the money
- of course you do nothing in this one year besides cashing in the 5% and you may get 1% or 2% in addition from a bank parking the money there for a year.

This scam worked better before 2006 (before the financial crash) because you could count on interest rates of up to 7% for just parking the money at a bank for one year (big amounts, more than a million Dollars).

There are many billion Dollar scams out there: insurance that does not pay in case of damage, investments failing, real estate worth much less than people pay for it, useless things sold for a high price (e.g. fashion items) or useless "how to do books" (from becoming rich to becoming beautiful via becoming healthy and overunity machines).

The state offers little protection against scams! And most of the politics going on in a country are also a scam, at least a scam for being paid a lot for doing nothing but making promises.

The only one protecting you from a scam is yourself by being observant and smart. And even then you will fall for many scams during your life.

Relax, scams are a big part of living amongst people. I would say, scamming is 50% of being human!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2016, 07:46:28 PM
Conrad
You sound like you have a quite unique perspective ?

Perhaps from the point of view of a homeless person with nothing to loose , or take ??

The possible repercussions for this marketing too and scamming the average man [blue collar worker] ....would be very very risky indeed !

on many levels !

Just one mans opinion..
and personal experience !

Chet K



Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: SoManyWires on February 05, 2016, 08:11:29 PM
its safe to call this one a scam.
there is the lack of management.
they really want it to work too, however it has never been able to and this is why they are avoiding risking others testing it to discover the crowdfunding campaign is still wanting to run full tilt until the slot machine coughs up many thousands of dollars worth of change.
change that will help change their life only.
with 2.2 million dollar goals in mind, these people just might be preapproved representives of mr sino and the rest of the delusionaries  that are only visionaries of new angles to create similar fraud.

the marketing always falls short of providing proof.
it always tries to move forward without providing proof.
they always claim they already have a working device, and never will show proof.
enough time is able to pass for them to collect from the cookiejar of greed that is being filled by
the least greedy and most caring of people.
they realize by avoiding proof, time can work on their $ide.

should you ever meet them, they will tell you to go away and not to bother them because they are say they are too busy to validate their proof of not being a modified scam similar to how the qeg copied the nitWITT'$ institute of ripping people off while throwing in piles of religious garbage so you left them off easily due to an obvious mental health condition that makes them think everyone owes them 2.2 million dollars.

 this scam applies itself well to the one in this article when considering its limited description of its use of magnets. another one that is not transparent and uses similar device design principles. http://revolution-green.com/noca-clean-energy-magnetic-power-generator-believe-it-or-not/


of course that might not be accurate at all, perhaps they are willing to prove themselves as more honest by allowing 3rd party trusted testers to test on site long before this crowfunding campaign is allowed to pay forward any winfall$.
dammit, i missread the timeline payout date, it looks like they created 24 grand in cash and were already paid by indiegogo.

are there any other crowdfunders they have still active?
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: MileHigh on February 05, 2016, 11:12:30 PM
True Dat !!
MH
when was the last time a claimant cited jet propulsion Labs ...NASA and home land security in their Vetting process ?
as well as 8x10  glossy's [you tube Vid] identifying principles and  staff ?

Chet K

Just because they say so?  Remember when the QEG was "minutes" away from achieving over unity but they had to catch a plane - just because Hopeless Girl said so?

If I worked in the tech sector and looking at their web page I can't take them seriously do you really think a conference room full of 15 NASA engineers is going to take them seriously?
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: SoManyWires on February 05, 2016, 11:37:52 PM
Conrad
You sound like you have a quite unique perspective ?

Perhaps from the point of view of a homeless person with nothing to loose , or take ??

The possible repercussions for this marketing too and scamming the average man [blue collar worker] ....would be very very risky indeed !

on many levels !

Just one mans opinion..
and personal experience !

Chet K

haha well, not too many homeless people are buying oscilloscopes.
i saw the comical value in his sarcasm when he made the remark about becoming a distributor.
you do realize he was being sarcastic?
and he did just buy a osciloscope, so, seems like something a homeless person would not do when you think about it really. lol

all the best
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: verpies on February 05, 2016, 11:38:14 PM
The risk running a scam is smaller than e.g. being a honest electrician or builder.
You forgot to consider, that such scammers have no recourse when they get robbed.

I remember a story about vaporware Bitcoin mining machine scammers losing everything after someone has surveilled them for months and robbed them right before they skipped town.

There could be an entire criminal network praying on such scammers. Incidentally they perform a similar role to fraudulent justice system and the lazy Law Enforcement.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2016, 12:12:29 AM
Somany
Thanks for clearing up what Conrad meant By scammers  ... :o
and sharing your opinions.


to think I was just about to By that bridge too... ::)

Whew...
@ MH
yes something is off about the JPL, NASA and homeland security reference.
anyhoo
Received a call back , we shall see where this goes ?



 
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 06, 2016, 02:01:31 AM
Not adding up...


Here's a 1300+ lbs pull-force magnet:
http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_5&products_id=953

6" x 4" x 2"  ---   $535 a piece.

These kind of magnets on a shaft fitting inside a tube...?

Nope.  And even if you could do it, the price for the magnets alone would put the whole device way over $1800.

Then we have the 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter.  One of those alone is about $1800.
http://www.kansaswindpower.net/Inverters.htm

Then the weight of the whole U-Plug, less than 20 pounds...?


Starting to sound like a bullshit story to me.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 06, 2016, 02:13:45 AM
Not adding up...


Here's a 1300+ lbs pull-force magnet:
http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_5&products_id=953

6" x 4" x 2"  ---   $535 a piece.

These kind of magnets on a shaft fitting inside a tube...?

Nope.  And even if you could do it, the price for the magnets alone would put the whole device way over $1800.

Then we have the 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter.  One of those alone is about $1800.
http://www.kansaswindpower.net/Inverters.htm

Then the weight of the whole U-Plug, less than 20 pounds...?


Starting to sound like a bullshit story to me.

Where you getting your prices from Dog-One ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter-2000-Watt-12VDC-to-230-VAC-CAR-Mobile-Power-Supply-NEW-/281861958295?hash=item41a0482a97:g:etsAAOSwZVhWTo0Q

I see a lot of (hard to get out of) claims being made on there web site.

Run with this one Chet,--see where it go's.
Maybe some one else has figured out that the magnetic force !is! a flow of virtual charged particles(which are created by actual charged particles),and have found a way to put them to work.


Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 06, 2016, 02:59:59 AM
Maybe some one else has figured out that the magnetic force !is! a flow of virtual charged particles(which are created by actual charged particles),and have found a way to put them to work.

Maybe this whole U-Plug thing is just a hint, not an actual product.

Brad, you're good with mechanical devices.  Tim mentions a simplified planetary gear.  I'm thinking simplified means removal of the sun gear.  So lets say we have two identical ends, shafts connecting the planetary gears on each side, brackets on each side to keep the planetary gears locked into the ring gear and the tube connecting the ring gears.  On the shafts we mount magnets.  The rotating magnets on the shafts are timed via the planetary gears and the ring gear.  The idea here is the ring gear forces the direction of rotation.  So suppose the magnets on the shaft are aligned via the gear teeth to always repel each other--we will call one magnet the pusher and the other magnet the pushie, in respect of their direction of rotation around the ring gear.  The pusher magnet's vector force is "into" the ring gear, so it doesn't really want to back up.  The pushie magnet's vector force is pretty much inline with the curvature of the ring gear, so it freely moves forward.

Let's suppose we have six shafts each with magnets and a planetary gear on each end so the proximity of the magnets is fairly close together.  The brackets on each end preserve the spacing and the ring gear is of appropriate size to fit all this in without the planetary gears hitting or magnets physically touching each other.  The magnets themselves could be cylinder magnets with a hole bored through them for the shaft and radially magnetized.  There is probably a critical relationship between the diameter of these magnets and the diameter of the planetary gears.

What I picture in my mind is something similar to a continuous loop of falling dominoes.  Because of the gears, they are constantly reset.  Instead of falling linearly, they fall radially.

I don't know if any of this rambling makes any sense to anyone.  I don't have the mechanical abilities to assemble a prototype, though I could probably design the basics of it in CAD, maybe even animate it with enough practice.  Just tossing the thought out there that this U-Plug isn't the Holy Grail but there could be an idea embedded in all the hogwash that is.  Maybe it's a clue how to actually design a magnet motor.  I'd like to know if someone that understands what I'm saying has the mechanical wherewithal to actually find out.


Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: guest1289 on February 06, 2016, 03:40:00 AM
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something similar to a continuous loop of falling dominoes.  Because of the gears, they are constantly reset.  Instead of falling linearly, they fall radially

Thats 1 of the 2, most original ideas I have heard lately.
   
  everyone agrees combining gravity, and magnetic interactions,  is a step closer to trying to break symmetry,  the conservation of energy,  you could just draw one section containing a falling-component connected to a section of gear,  peoples imagination can fill in the rest

(  The other recent idea I read,  was another member,  who is going to build a space-drive powered by gyroscopes( momentum effects etc ),   and just use it as a generator   )

If you like puzzles,  my two magnet-motors on this post
http://overunity.com/15774/permanent-magnet-motor/msg470966/#msg470966

magnet-motor-1,  all the magnets on the wheel want to get to the strongest part of the stator-magnet,  the last magnet on the wheel to detach away from the stator,  could be attarcted to the beginning of the stator-loop,  and also pushed on by all the other liitle magnets on the wheel

magnet-motor-2,  if you understand it,  you'll see it also has some very original,  potential

 
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Nink on February 06, 2016, 04:05:49 AM
Where you getting your prices from Dog-One ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter-2000-Watt-12VDC-to-230-VAC-CAR-Mobile-Power-Supply-NEW-/281861958295?hash=item41a0482a97:g:etsAAOSwZVhWTo0Q

I see a lot of (hard to get out of) claims being made on there web site.

Run with this one Chet,--see where it go's.
Maybe some one else has figured out that the magnetic force !is! a flow of virtual charged particles(which are created by actual charged particles),and have found a way to put them to work.


Brad

I do recall in the FAQ they said they don't use an inverter.  http://www.u-plugproducts.com/web/faq.php


How do we know there are no batteries in the machine?

First, no battery, by itself, puts out alternating (AC) current, the type of electricity everyone finds coming out of their wall sockets. Batteries generate direct (DC) current. Batteries come in volts listed as 12 volts, 24 volts, etc., direct current. A computer cannot be plugged into a DC current outlet. Cigarette lighters in cars are a DC outlet.

Second, assuming for the sake of argument that batteries could be put into a six inch diameter, 24 inch tall cylinder, the batteries would lose power within minutes running through an inverter to convert DC to AC power. In fact, after only a few minutes it would become so apparent that the batteries were losing power as the device hooked to the machine would begin to run more slowly, or the lights would begin to dim through the natural diminution of the power of the batteries.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 06, 2016, 04:27:24 AM
Not arguing here, but I just want to clarify one point.

Many switchmode power supplies intended for 110-240 VAC will indeed work just fine on DC instead, even at a lower voltage.

Ok... carry on.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 06, 2016, 04:57:58 AM
This will never work as claimed.  I know why and so do they.  Funny they don't mention that in their sales info.

Bill

Sorry, I just had to say it.  So far, TK has been correct every time he has said it so...I am going with the odds on this one, along with some common sense observations.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 06, 2016, 07:04:01 AM
  Funny they don't mention that in their sales info.

Bill



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This will never work as claimed.  I know why and so do they.

well-do tell Bill. Why wont this work as claimed?.

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Sorry, I just had to say it.  So far, TK has been correct every time he has said it so...I am going with the odds on this one, along with some common sense observations.

So far,everyone that has claimed that these sort of devices will never work have been correct.
So far,i have not won the big one in lotto either-but some one always dose ;)

Do you truly believe that no more progress has been made since the birth of power generation,and it's working principles ?. Have we gone as far as we can go?.
I think not. Yes-there have been many scam's over the years,but it is only a matter of time before some one hit's the Jackpot. so,do you know that it dose not work as described by just looking at it,just following TK's lead,or you know how the internals are set  out,and what they are?.


Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 06, 2016, 07:32:12 AM
Look at the inconsistencies in their story.

1. They claim that the magnets + geartrain weigh 7 pounds. This alone is not plausible, for magnets of the strength claimed.
2. They claim to have had the device tested at JPL, under the supervision of NASA and DHS. Yet the "US Government" only ordered a couple of units, rather than immediately giving them a big contract, or inviting them for "tea, no biscuits" like some other people have been invited   ;)   . And their YT video is still up.....
3. They claim to have patents, but a patent search using Google advanced patent search doesn't come up with any patents in the name of the claimant.
4. They claim to be making 50 units a week, since two months ago at least. Yet nobody has one to test, and the "US Government" is still waiting on the couple of units they allegedly ordered.
5. No news on Fox or CNN about this miracle device.

None of this is proof that they don't have what they claim, of course. But come on ... if you showed YOUR government a self running magnet motor coupled to a generator that could power 2 kW of load, without any input, two years ago... what do you think would happen to _you_ by now? Would you still be trying to raise money by crowdfunding, and posting YT videos to try to drum up sales? I don't think so... and neither do you, I'll bet.

By the way, Ed Mitchell died yesterday, may he rest in peace. So that's one less moon-walker for you to worry about.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 06, 2016, 07:34:33 AM
Maybe this whole U-Plug thing is just a hint, not an actual product.

Brad, you're good with mechanical devices.  Tim mentions a simplified planetary gear.  I'm thinking simplified means removal of the sun gear.  So lets say we have two identical ends, shafts connecting the planetary gears on each side, brackets on each side to keep the planetary gears locked into the ring gear and the tube connecting the ring gears.  On the shafts we mount magnets.  The rotating magnets on the shafts are timed via the planetary gears and the ring gear.  The idea here is the ring gear forces the direction of rotation.  So suppose the magnets on the shaft are aligned via the gear teeth to always repel each other--we will call one magnet the pusher and the other magnet the pushie, in respect of their direction of rotation around the ring gear.  The pusher magnet's vector force is "into" the ring gear, so it doesn't really want to back up.  The pushie magnet's vector force is pretty much inline with the curvature of the ring gear, so it freely moves forward.

Let's suppose we have six shafts each with magnets and a planetary gear on each end so the proximity of the magnets is fairly close together.  The brackets on each end preserve the spacing and the ring gear is of appropriate size to fit all this in without the planetary gears hitting or magnets physically touching each other.  The magnets themselves could be cylinder magnets with a hole bored through them for the shaft and radially magnetized.  There is probably a critical relationship between the diameter of these magnets and the diameter of the planetary gears.

What I picture in my mind is something similar to a continuous loop of falling dominoes.  Because of the gears, they are constantly reset.  Instead of falling linearly, they fall radially.

I don't know if any of this rambling makes any sense to anyone.  I don't have the mechanical abilities to assemble a prototype, though I could probably design the basics of it in CAD, maybe even animate it with enough practice.  Just tossing the thought out there that this U-Plug isn't the Holy Grail but there could be an idea embedded in all the hogwash that is.  Maybe it's a clue how to actually design a magnet motor.  I'd like to know if someone that understands what I'm saying has the mechanical wherewithal to actually find out.

I seem to remember another magnet motor being made many years ago,that was based around a planetary arrangement--back in the 50's i think. Was claimed to be a self runner,but of course no one has a working model-AFAIK.

I would think the pinion gear is kept,and the planetary gears are what have the shafts that the magnets are fixed to. The hub gear(or crown wheel) would be emitted. The planetary gears would no longer orbit the pinion,but would be held into position by the idler plate/carrier plate. You now have a triangle pattern of rotating cylinder magnets that are magnetized diametrically,and this would create some very sharp pole flipping fields at the center of the 3 rotating magnets.

There are many things left to be discovered,and no one on this forum can say for sure whether or not for certainty that the next device is not one of them new discoveries simply by looking at a video,or reading some text. They are taking a !!best guess!!,a guess where the odds are in there favor--nothing more. Only after careful research and testing ,can a final call be made.

I once designed a gear box where the input shaft could turn in either direction,but the output shaft would always turn in only one direction-no dog clutches or shifting gears--every gear constantly meshed,and never moved position. There was no gear changing shifter,and the output shaft always had unidirectional torque-regardless of the direction of the applied input torque,and there was no torque lag time between the input and output shafts. Never did find a use for such a gear box,but who know's,one day it may come about.

Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on February 06, 2016, 07:53:40 AM
Hi DogOne,

There are many patent claims that have a similar planetary gear type magnet motor structure. You can see some here.

https://patents.google.com/?q=magnetic+motor&q=planetary,gear&q=H02K53%2f00

The new google patent search allows you to search by CPC codes to narrow down what your looking for.

They do update the codes so you may have to check here for changes.
http://www.cooperativepatentclassification.org/index.html
http://www.cooperativepatentclassification.org/cpcSchemeAndDefinitions/table.html

It's a little overwhelming the best way to find codes is by searching for in the patents then looking at the classification codes that are related.

An older site which the codes may be outdated but gives you an easier to see relationship of the classifications is:
http://www.google.com/patents/sitemap/en/Sitemap.html

There are so many patents that have claims, a lot can be dismissed as just bad or some that don't have enough information or purposely left out.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 06, 2016, 08:02:38 AM
author=TinselKoala link=topic=16390.msg473304#msg473304 date=1454740332]
Look at the inconsistencies in their story.
 
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1. They claim that the magnets + geartrain weigh 7 pounds. This alone is not plausible, for magnets of the strength claimed.

Titanium is pretty light. Maybe the gears are made from that.
And who is to say the pull force of the magnet is measured from only one side of the magnet,when in a rotating situation,where both ends of the magnet provide that pull force at the same time.
If one end of the magnet has a pull force of 100lb's,then the other end of the magnet will also provide 100lb's of pull force as well.

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2. They claim to have had the device tested at JPL, under the supervision of NASA and DHS. Yet the "US Government" only ordered a couple of units, rather than immediately giving them a big contract, or inviting them for "tea, no biscuits" like some other people have been invited   ;)   . And their YT video is still up.....

Would the US government need any more than two unit's to have either the armed forces or NASA replicate it?. Why would you think they need more than this to achieve a working replication?. I wonder if there patent will now be approved by the said government that just bought two unit's,or will it now be declined--some national security bullshit again :D
Cake and soft drink is a far better option when it's hot ;),and a video that shows a piece of PVC pipe with wires coming out of it dose not give away to much i wouldnt think ;)

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5. No news on Fox or CNN about this miracle device


 ::)
Like you'd ever see any real or interesting news on those channels lol.

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None of this is proof that they don't have what they claim, of course. But come on ... if you showed YOUR government a self running magnet motor coupled to a generator that could power 2 kW of load, without any input, two years ago... what do you think would happen to _you_ by now? Would you still be trying to raise money by crowdfunding, and posting YT videos to try to drum up sales? I don't think so... and neither do you, I'll bet.

Hell no.
I'd either be
1-dead
2-kicking back in the Bahamas
3-Doing what i could without stirring up the ants nest-so to speak.

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By the way, Ed Mitchell died yesterday, may he rest in peace. So that's one less moon-walker for you to worry about.

Sorry to hear that.
One of my best friends died of cancer last wednesday--never smoked a ciggy in his life. He was more real to me than any moon walker.


Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 06, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
2-kicking back in the Bahamas
3-Doing what i could without stirring up the ants nest-so to speak.

That is exactly my point.  Maybe Tim knows there is simply no way to move forward, so he elected to throw us a bone without directly "stirring up the ants nest", then took the easy way out.

And I do like your planetary arrangement better than mine.  The more I think about it, I suppose it could be possible to stuff just the needed components in there.  One would have to expect a rough prototype to be much less optimized and quite a bit larger than a finely tuned final product.

We still don't have any sort of background on Tim, so who knows what and who he is connected to, what his skills are or what he is capable of.  If he has any association with JPL or NASA, it's likely he was "advised" as to what his options are.


I'll be very surprised if this U-Plug device sees the light of day.  I'm hopeful, but not real optimistic.  Instead, I think we will have to take what we got up to now and see if there is any way to make something of it.  Bugger.

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 06, 2016, 10:25:19 AM
That is exactly my point.  Maybe Tim knows there is simply no way to move forward, so he elected to throw us a bone without directly "stirring up the ants nest", then took the easy way out.

And I do like your planetary arrangement better than mine.  The more I think about it, I suppose it could be possible to stuff just the needed components in there.  One would have to expect a rough prototype to be much less optimized and quite a bit larger than a finely tuned final product.

We still don't have any sort of background on Tim, so who knows what and who he is connected to, what his skills are or what he is capable of.  If he has any association with JPL or NASA, it's likely he was "advised" as to what his options are.


 

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I'll be very surprised if this U-Plug device sees the light of day.  I'm hopeful, but not real optimistic.

I too doubt that it will ever make it to market.
1-It's a scam--as most expect
2-The government now has two of the !apparently!-do you think they will allow the release of such tec if it works as claimed?.-not a chance in hell. This would allow man to much freedom,and the governments of the world do not want that.
3- Poor old Tim will have an unsuspected heart attack,and die--all information will be lost.

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Instead, I think we will have to take what we got up to now and see if there is any way to make something of it.  Bugger.

There is a better,easier way to produce free energy. But the scaling to kW's will be expensive-small output's no problem-very cheap and easy. Only 3 components needed ;)

Smart is the way with this one,and verification by 3 other well educated persons first-->before any claims are made. All results collected from all parties,and presented at the same time on many outlets. No funding,no investors,no monies at all--just build ,test,and present.
No tea parties this time TK. :D


Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: forest on February 06, 2016, 12:03:38 PM
The government has nothing to do with that. If they have they would prevent any solar panels too.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 06, 2016, 01:02:25 PM
The government has nothing to do with that. If they have they would prevent any solar panels too.

How would a government do that??

By keeping the price of the materials used to make solar panels at a price average equivalent to the cost of electricity or BTU equivalent of Oil??

Our government would never do that,..........
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 06, 2016, 01:41:24 PM
The government has nothing to do with that. If they have they would prevent any solar panels too.

Would they?
Maybe by insuring that the prices of converting to a stand alone system is kept way out of reach for most people?. Maybe by insuring that the efficiency remains very low with PV cells?.
You assume that because we are allowed to have something,that that something is the best we have,and the price is as low as it can be. Then rebates are dropped that low that it no longer is viable to use solar. Our government even had the balls to try and charge those with solar panels a sun tax--we soon put them back in there place. But it just go's to show you how arrogant these ass holes are--trying to tax us for sun light-->there crap never stop's.
So dont think for one minute that your government is for the people,as the total opposite is true. Governments are the largest terrorist organization in the world,and they will do anything to stop man from gaining any type of freedom. The people of the USA have just found out that there constitution/bill of right's means nothing,and one single man can change them at his will. Soon you will be disarmed as we were here in Australia-->but be thankful you lasted this long,as we only had one mass shooting,and that was it--every innocent man/woman had there guns taken away without a choice,without a say,without a vote.
So please dont tell us our governments have nothing to do with removing this sort of tec when it comes to pass,as they take everything they may deem to be a future problem to them.


Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 06, 2016, 01:43:44 PM
How would a government do that??

By keeping the price of the materials used to make solar panels at a price average equivalent to the cost of electricity or BTU equivalent of Oil??

Our government would never do that,..........

 ;)
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: e2matrix on February 06, 2016, 07:38:48 PM
I do have concern about their claim of the 2500 pound magnet pull.  That would tend to take some very large very expensive magnets unless they got an extra zero in their (250 pound ?).   
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: lumen on February 06, 2016, 08:59:36 PM
While trying very hard to believe the U-Plug is real, I thought this design might fit all the requirements of operation.

With the outer ring gear stationary and the small planetary gear connected to only the copper tubing.
The center magnet is stationary and the outer magnets rotate in a circle but always face the center magnet and do not rotate with the copper tubing.

The action is generated in the tubing by rotating the tubing causing an increased push on one side while the other side causes a pull as the retained field is shifted.
The idea is that the tubing retains the field for a short time and shifts the pushing field from the center magnet to one side while the other side rotates a pulling field from the back of the outer magnet to the center magnet.

Just an idea that seems to fit the push pull wording.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: forest on February 06, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
Rotating magnets is a waste of time.  :P
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: lumen on February 06, 2016, 09:16:00 PM
Rotating magnets is a waste of time.  :P

That's why the magnets do not rotate in this design!

It's like when you have two magnets suspended on string and attracting each other with a gap between them.
Then using flat copper, rapidly pulled from the slot, the magnets tend to follow the copper as the retained field is held in the copper and pulls on the magnets.

What are the results when the magnets are not attracting but repelling, and the copper is pulled? Are the magnets instead pushed opposite the pulling direction?
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 07, 2016, 08:43:09 AM
That's why the magnets do not rotate in this design!

It's like when you have two magnets suspended on string and attracting each other with a gap between them.
Then using flat copper, rapidly pulled from the slot, the magnets tend to follow the copper as the retained field is held in the copper and pulls on the magnets.

What are the results when the magnets are not attracting but repelling, and the copper is pulled? Are the magnets instead pushed opposite the pulling direction?

That's an interesting question. Actually what's happening is this: when you have two magnets facing in attraction, there is intense flux (lot of field lines if you like) between the facing poles of the two magnets. The copper strip is a conductor. When it moves, eddy currents are generated _around_ the field lines which are penetrating the copper at right angles to the plane of the copper. These eddy currents cause the drag between the copper and the magnets. This is basically the same as the demonstration where a magnet is dropped through a copper tube and falls slowly because of the eddy current drag. Also this principle is used in balances, like the common triple-beam balance, which typically uses an aluminum plate that moves between poles of magnets, creating a resistance that damps the motion so the balance comes to rest relatively quickly.  Eddy current braking....

Now, when you have the magnets so that the poles repel instead of attracting, the field lines conflict and spread out, like two mushrooms head to head, and it may be the case that no, or very few, field lines go through the copper at right angles if the copper is exactly centered between the "mushroom heads". So there might not be any drag at all, if the copper is right in the center between the poles. But if it is moved towards one or the other poles, then you once again have field lines penetrating the copper and on pulling the copper laterally,  eddy currents will be generated as before, dragging the magnet along with the copper.

The nice thing about eddy current braking/damping is that when there is slow or no motion, there is little or no damping. When the motion is faster, so is the damping/dragging effect. This means that it works perfectly when used to dampen the weighing balance because it adds no friction when the balance is not moving.

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 07, 2016, 10:01:27 AM
I shall further compound this by stating that when the magnets are in repulsion, and a moving plate of copper passes quickly between them, they will attract to the copper, within a range of forces, and when the copper leaves their near-field, the magnets will again repel each other.

The potential energy between the magnets after the copper leaves the field is equal to the energy required to force the copper plate between the magnets at said velocity. The eddy currents try to prevent the motion of the copper, while the motion of the copper creates the eddy currents.

It is a directly proportional relationship. And a completely conservative field-gradient, much like gravity.
This is because non-magnetic conductor, generates a time-variant field effect.
What we otherwise call "electromagnetic induction".
Electro - which comes from the greek 'electron, which literally meant Amber, in motion.
    i.e. - a time variant occurrence.

passing an attracting permanent magnet through the space instead of a copper plate, results in a similar reaction, without the time dependency.

In either case, the resistive forces over distance, are equivalent to the potential of the magnetic field gradient, through which the repelling magnets passed.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Poit on February 07, 2016, 11:18:53 AM
Just the fact that they are asking for money sounds the alarm bells to me.


It would be like someone inventing a way to turn any metal into gold (alchemy) and then saying they are broke and need money, its just stupid... if you have the goose that lays golden eggs... why ask someone else for gold?
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: forest on February 07, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
Just the fact that they are asking for money sounds the alarm bells to me.


It would be like someone inventing a way to turn any metal into gold (alchemy) and then saying they are broke and need money, its just stupid... if you have the goose that lays golden eggs... why ask someone else for gold?


It's not a good analogy. Better is the buried treasure. You need money to dig it up.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: lumen on February 07, 2016, 04:40:40 PM
I shall further compound this by stating that when the magnets are in repulsion, and a moving plate of copper passes quickly between them, they will attract to the copper, within a range of forces, and when the copper leaves their near-field, the magnets will again repel each other.


Sm0ky2

Did you find this by your own testing?
In the next drawing it would seem that all drag could be removed except for a small amount in the spinning copper tube and any drag should be equivalent to a proportional force in movement around the stationary center magnet.

Without the copper tube rotating the outer magnet and tube could simply rotate around the center magnet without any drag, so any drag on the rotating tube should represent a shifting of field along the compression line and cause some motive force.



Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 07, 2016, 07:14:09 PM
My view of this particular set-up, I would expect a force between the inner surface area of the copper tube and the center magnet, during rotation. counter to the direction of motion.
(I am assuming that the center magnet is not rotating in this setup)
given the asymmetrical distances between the two magnets with respect to the copper plate.

I doubt that's whats in the U-plug's white casing.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: lumen on February 07, 2016, 11:52:22 PM
I agree that it's likely not what's going on in the U-Plug device if it were real, though it does seem to fit the wording in their description.

Through many years of testing magnetic interactions I believe it to be impossible to build a magnetic motor, but still every time someone makes a claim of such a device I always wonder what I may have missed.








Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 08, 2016, 12:50:42 AM
Well,a lot of guessing going on here ;)

We see in one of the demo video's that they are running a small gasless mig welder from there 2kW unit,and can continue to do so for some period of time. So where are the cooling vent's?. I mean to say,it's all in a PVC tube,and being white PVC would indicate that it is standard grade PVC use to transfer water. This PVC dose not like heat that much,and i would think that the unit would get hot when delivering enough power to run that welder in a very short time.

They say there is no inverter in the unit,so how is the frequency regulated if the power being developed by the unit comes from some sort of magnet generator?--some kind of converter maybe?

There is also the magnets they claim to be using. As some have pointed out already-they would have to be quite large and expensive. Seems the planetary gears are made from some sort of plastic/teflon material--must be some fantastic stuff to cope with the load's/forces those magnets would place on those gears and carrier--if we are to believe the pull forces from those magnets are what they claim them to be.

Added
So each magnet has a pull force of 2500LB's = 1.133 ton
Who here could place two of these magnets close to each other,and hold them into position with plastic gears and hub's,that fit into a 6 inch PVC tube ? :D

I think this one needs to be filed in the bin.


Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 08, 2016, 01:13:31 AM
Im thinking more-->

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPJao1xLe7w

Then just recharge with a solar panel,and you have clean green free energy ;)

Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: guest1289 on February 08, 2016, 02:27:33 AM
Through many years of testing magnetic interactions I believe it to be impossible to build a magnetic motor, but still every time someone makes a claim of such a device I always wonder what I may have missed.

    The following post,  shows my three best ideas for a magnet-motor
    http://overunity.com/15774/permanent-magnet-motor/msg473357/#msg473357
   
     First, using a half-hollow-dome-magnet,  you should achieve a magnet with a  flat magnetic-field on the surface of the hollow,  and if you use a half-hollow-oval-magnet,  then the field is sunken into the hollow section.
     I suggested that as a way to base a  magnet-motor  on the design of the   'Wheels-with-scoops'  that are propelled by water in  hydro-electric-power-plants .

     But,  on that post,  I also updated my  magnet-motor-1,  and  magnet-motor-2,  two very different ideas,  they are detailed in earlier posts in that thread .  I think these are my best  magnet-motor  ideas .
------------------------------------

    http://overunity.com/15774/permanent-magnet-motor/msg459551/#msg459551
   
       In the post above,  I posted two possible ideas for  creating  a proper  Donut-Magnet  with the  magnetic-field  rotating around the circle of the  toroid. 
       (  Those diagrams,  and the description I typed,  were not good quality )   
       The  Donut-Magnet  being created,  could be either  physically-supported in both ideas,  or it could possibly be levitated,  either by the magnets  turning it into  a proper  Donut-Magnet,  or levitated by other magets .
        I assume people would be interested  in  having  a proper  Donut-Magnet  with the  magnetic-field  rotating around the circle of the  toroid,  in order  to have a  monopole-magnet,  which no one has ever achieved .
          I wonder if there's any possiblity possibly that  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_current  could exist in a  proper  Donut-Magnet  even if it is not a  superconductor .
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 08, 2016, 02:36:58 AM
I think this one needs to be filed in the bin.

See what I mean by not adding up?

It would take considerable aerospace technology to pull this off, not that it couldn't be done with a multi-million dollar budget; unlimited equipment and talent behind it.  But seriously, who would go to all that trouble to sell a sub $2k unit to the public.

Probably best to let this soak and maybe someone will come up with a half-baked mechanism that self runs, based on some of the clues.  The killer would likely be the tolerances needed to achieve motion, something out of reach for most garage experimenters.

I'm still due an email back from Tim after he asked for my location.  Said he would connect me with a local distributor.  Not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2016, 06:50:14 AM
there are people with 2k to throw at this.
if it turns out to be real, it will be opened up.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: forest on February 08, 2016, 08:45:11 AM
I bet this is done in simple way. Remember two Nigerian girls made a OU generator. Then stack a 12 or more one on another on the same shaft.C'mon...are you here only for posting negative comments ? I can easily imagine how it is done or how to make similiar device in tubular shape.
Just that.Magnets are not rotating (they could but it would be waste of power to rotate them).
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 08, 2016, 09:27:53 AM
I think the technology of Floyd Sweet must be reconsider again. :)
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: FatBird on February 08, 2016, 02:34:06 PM
That guy using it on a WELDER sure makes it look REAL to me.
                                                                                                                        .
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: lumen on February 08, 2016, 05:23:53 PM
That guy using it on a WELDER sure makes it look REAL to me.
                                                                                                                        .

Yes it looks real, but they need to change the name to "U-Plug in the top and I-Plug in the bottom"
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 09, 2016, 12:15:02 AM
Yes it looks real, but they need to change the name to "U-Plug in the top and I-Plug in the bottom"

 ;D
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 09, 2016, 01:38:19 AM
That guy using it on a WELDER sure makes it look REAL to me.
                                                                                                                        .

A picture tells a thousand word's,but can hide a million sin's.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2016, 02:54:09 PM
A note to Tim Slavings
I know you are very busy with things At the moment ,and I know after speaking with you again last night that you are not happy with what is transpiring here.
I would like to make a simple statement here and at Energetic forum to clear the air  ,however I do want to speak with you first ?

can you call me when you have the time

respectfully
ChetKremens@gmail.com
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: pomodoro on February 09, 2016, 04:43:37 PM
Demand a viewing where you simply check for hidden wires and then let it power a 2000 watt heater you supply as a load on a table you also sipply for 12 hours. No multi meters etc. Just a very good check for hidden wires. He won't do it, because he can't.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: e2matrix on February 09, 2016, 05:48:30 PM
Demand a viewing where you simply check for hidden wires and then let it power a 2000 watt heater you supply as a load on a table you also sipply for 12 hours. No multi meters etc. Just a very good check for hidden wires. He won't do it, because he can't.
That's essentially what I was thinking although you'll find most portable heaters rated at 1500 watts and that would be better since it is a bit under the 2000 watt rating so they can't say you are pushing it's limits.   If anyone here is good with calculations of how many joules of energy you could cram into that tube in the way of Li-ion batteries (highest common power per volume battery available that I know of) and how long they would be able to run a heater before running down that would be good.   My instinct is they wouldn't last more than a couple hours without running the numbers.  Then propose to U-plug doing this test and see what they say.   
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2016, 06:11:00 PM
To be absolutely clear,this will not be about visits or testing or any verifying of product !
I am offering Tim  the courtesy of input on a final remark from me on this topic!

Respectfully
Chet
PS he usually calls back in the evening (my time ..east coast USA
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: e2matrix on February 09, 2016, 06:34:29 PM
Good enough Chet but could you get a feel for how they might be if someone wants to visit and run such a test on behalf of overunity.com which would certainly be in their benefit if it passes the test.   The general public is not going to be jumping on buying such units but I think people on this forum would grab them up if they get good results in some testing by members here.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 10, 2016, 12:02:12 AM
Oh-his web site is gone  ::)
$23,455 raised on indiegogo so far :D

I think he's done a runner  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: pomodoro on February 10, 2016, 12:37:21 AM
Where do these scammers 'advertise' in order to get those donations? Is there a general site? I'm just curious as to how he got 23k without even selling one!
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 10, 2016, 12:44:18 AM
I think he's done a runner  ;) ;)

You do mean with his feet moving quickly right?  As in going away?

A note to Tim Slavings
I know you are very busy with things At the moment ,and I know after speaking with you again last night that you are not happy with what is transpiring here.

Okay Tim, I promise to pay for a device in-full and never take it apart for inspection.  Everyone will surely do the same.

"No user serviceable parts inside."

Good lord, guess I'll go shovel my roof some more.  Free energy, ba humbug.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 10, 2016, 12:59:15 AM
Oh-his web site is gone  ::)
$23,455 raised on indiegogo so far :D

I think he's done a runner  ;) ;)

His website and YT video still seem to be there when I check:
http://u-plugproducts.com/web/faq.php
http://u-plugproducts.com/
The Indiegogo campaign is closed, falling far short of what he asked for, but with "flexible funding" he didn't need to get the full requested amount in order to get funded.



Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 10, 2016, 01:18:06 AM
His website and YT video still seem to be there when I check:
http://u-plugproducts.com/web/faq.php
http://u-plugproducts.com/
The Indiegogo campaign is closed, falling far short of what he asked for, but with "flexible funding" he didn't need to get the full requested amount in order to get funded.

Just get -web page not available when i click on the links
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 10, 2016, 01:43:33 AM
Just get -web page not available when i click on the links

Probably since they can't ship to Australia, they have blocked IPs coming from there.  If I knew any SysAdmins working for bluehost.net, I could ask them to look.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 10, 2016, 03:13:09 PM
I have not Yet heard back from Tim for his input  here.


respectfully
Chet K






Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: MileHigh on February 10, 2016, 03:33:09 PM
Like usual, you are failing to make an honest evaluation of the human factor and do a critical analysis of the web site contents.

Quote
Second, assuming for the sake of argument that batteries could be put into a six inch diameter, 24 inch tall cylinder, the batteries would lose power within minutes running through an inverter to convert DC to AC power.

Now the quoted statement above is completely retarded, but don't let that stop you from pursuing this.

And like usual you are turning a blind eye to the "energy from magnets" pitch that we have all heard 500 times before.  How many times will it take for you to believe it is false?

This is just another GDS Technologies with an almost laughable pitch written by people who clearly are not capable of expressing themselves properly when it comes to electrical power and generators.  This whole thing is positively screaming "Fake!" and I am glad the dude is reading this.

This is just another in a continuous stream of pitches that is reminding all of us that the realm of free energy is infested with criminals that are out to make a buck and live off the fat of the land.  They are in the same class as the people that call unsuspecting computer users and convince them over the phone that their computer has a virus and then they try to sell them an $800 anti-virus piece of malware to put on their PC.  These guys are in the same class.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2016, 12:25:53 AM
MileHigh

we have had this discussion many times before and I am sure many times yet to come , I am aware that many folks in this Free energy field take advantage of unsuspecting people and investors and That is why I don't post on threads which solicit funding that are not up to forum standards .[once I become aware of an issue and have given the inventor reasonable time to explain ]

The Standards being a verifiable independent lab report. [for inventors soliciting funds from the public or preselling
product]
another Option is the offer to send qualified persons at absolutely no cost to inventors with substantial claims !

as of this writing.. to my knowledge there is no such verifiable document available for this Claim, as well as no offer to allow verification of the claim in person ,[in this case a refusal of offer ]

To be absolutely clear ...the independent 3rd party investigation which was offered is a black box verification , No secrets need be revealed ..just load testing and a stop watch to verify output over time ,in this case the constant 2 plus HP output claims would not take long at all to verify.

So I will no longer be posting on this topic.

I completely understand that certain members here go the extra Mile in vetting out fraud ...Of course this is the right thing to do if you are indeed certain of Fraud .


But I must add we will never stop offering to investigate claims here ,no matter how much thou doth protest !

here is one such claim which was suppressed in Australia although much more complicated than the device mentioned here .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4m1MLZudE

respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: FatBird on February 11, 2016, 05:33:00 PM
I wonder if this U-Plug company is related (or part of) the other U-Plug company?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9iFE_Pdpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9iFE_Pdpg)             
                                                                                                                                            .
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: FatBird on February 11, 2016, 05:38:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ivXDLdKnE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ivXDLdKnE)

                                                                                                      .
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Nink on February 12, 2016, 05:46:40 AM
I made a u-plug total cost $17.50 cents.  I need to buy some conduit  to put my 2 * 6 volt batteries in but I think that is a non functional requirement.

Powers my laptop quite nicely but not sure what I do when the batteries go flat.

 
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: tinman on February 12, 2016, 06:48:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ivXDLdKnE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ivXDLdKnE)

                                                                                                      .

It's a dud -a scam FatBird.
To much bullshit for it to be anything real. Just saying that they have magnets in there with a pull force of over 1.3 ton's tells you it's crap right up. How do you think they placed these magnets into position,when those magnets would see forces against each other in excess of that 1.3 ton's. ::)
The mechanics involved in keeping those magnets securely in place could not fit into that little tube.

But now how to stop this scam going any further?-->how to save the people that have fallen for this rubbish there money?. It's happening all to often now,and when some one really dose have something worth while trying to raise funds,the bank will be empty.

It's sad-very sad that people like this get away with this all the time.


Brad
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 13, 2016, 04:19:09 AM
It's a dud -a scam FatBird.
To much bullshit for it to be anything real. Just saying that they have magnets in there with a pull force of over 1.3 ton's tells you it's crap right up. How do you think they placed these magnets into position,when those magnets would see forces against each other in excess of that 1.3 ton's. ::)
The mechanics involved in keeping those magnets securely in place could not fit into that little tube.

But now how to stop this scam going any further?-->how to save the people that have fallen for this rubbish there money?. It's happening all to often now,and when some one really dose have something worth while trying to raise funds,the bank will be empty.

It's sad-very sad that people like this get away with this all the time.


Brad

Brad:

I agree 100%!  I suppose, all we can do is to try to get the word out on these scams as best we can.  It burns me too that decent, hard working folks are getting bilked out of their money by these scumbags.  It also makes the rest of us that are doing any kind of real, honest research look like scumbags too.  They give everyone a bad name.

Hey, maybe we should form a type of "hit squad" that just shows up at their door one day to beats the crap out of them?  Sooner or later, maybe they will get the message.

Bill
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 13, 2016, 09:50:43 AM
when some one really dose have something worth while trying to raise funds,the bank will be empty.

Brad

what would be the point in "selling" a free energy technology?
That makes the energy itself "not free".....

There is no money to be made in this field. The fact that these people are trying to "sell" anything, shows you right there it is a scam.

It's very simple - When free energy is available to the public, people STOP BUYING ENERGY!!!
the market collapses.

Theres nothing to sell.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 13, 2016, 09:52:13 AM
Brad:

I agree 100%!  I suppose, all we can do is to try to get the word out on these scams as best we can.  It burns me too that decent, hard working folks are getting bilked out of their money by these scumbags.  It also makes the rest of us that are doing any kind of real, honest research look like scumbags too.  They give everyone a bad name.

Hey, maybe we should form a type of "hit squad" that just shows up at their door one day to beats the crap out of them?  Sooner or later, maybe they will get the message.

Bill

count me in !!
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 13, 2016, 11:18:32 AM
Is I said at the beginning of this thread:

They crap or get off the pot.  It works or we bury them.


That's the way it has to be.  Myself, I have spent way too much time and effort tinkering.  If this Free Energy stuff truly does have a solution, lets find it, build it, understand it, use it and get on with our lives.  If it does not, lets be sure, then put this all to bed.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 13, 2016, 12:18:14 PM
It's a good thing we and everybody else know that you are just joking, Bill.

The only kind of "hit squad" I want to see is the kind that has a truckload of test equipment, shows up and _tests_ the crap out of the claimed devices. And then reports everything publicly for criticism and review.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Acca on February 13, 2016, 01:54:13 PM
post deleted..
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: ramset on February 13, 2016, 02:03:15 PM
Testing in this case would be very simple , even easier than the TPU [which overheated after a few hours and needed to cool]

this device is claimed to run for years at a few Horsepower [and then some]

I know it is just idle small talk here [about other kinds of visits] however

I personally have no idea how people that do take from the unsuspecting [not making any claims about Tim Slavings here] can even walk around in public with out looking over their shoulder.

I can guarantee you that most average fellows when presented with a working product for sale .. plunk down their hard earned cash [as buyers NOT INVESTORS] .

are gonna come knocking when the excuses run out... 

and you can take that to the Bank !!
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Nink on February 13, 2016, 10:14:19 PM
I love how they always focus on use cases and not the actual device.  Take it camping, power your laptop....

IF YOU JUST INVENTED AN INFINITE ENERGY DEVICE IN 24 HOURS YOU WOULD BE HEADLINE NEWS AND ON THE FRONT COVER OF EVERY NEWS PAPER AND MAGAZINE IN THE WORLD AND NOT FOCUS ON THE FACT IT HAS A STRAP AND YOU CAN CARRY IT OVER YOUR SHOULDER.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 13, 2016, 10:33:44 PM
I love how they always focus on use cases and not the actual device.  Take it camping, power your laptop....

IF YOU JUST INVENTED AN INFINITE ENERGY DEVICE IN 24 HOURS YOU WOULD BE HEADLINE NEWS AND ON THE FRONT COVER OF EVERY NEWS PAPER AND MAGAZINE IN THE WORLD AND NOT FOCUS ON THE FACT IT HAS A STRAP AND YOU CAN CARRY IT OVER YOUR SHOULDER.

It is an interesting situation, in the world of FE scammers. There have been so many false or disproven claims of FE, that in order to stand out these days, you must have a unique nitche, or special use application that attract people to your false technology.
Otherwise, you are simply dismissed as another fruit claiming he has broken the "laws" of physics.

the media has done so many stories about FE techs that turned out to be nothing, or the inventor mysteriously died leaving no further information to report.

Its a bit of a risk for the media to chase down these stories, especially when they have not been publicly verified first. To get into the news, you need something unique, to make your device stand out from all the rest. It's like Marketing.

or course, if a device actually functioned and produced "FE", none of this would even matter.
you wouldn't need gimmicks, and product branding. Hell, your "product" would not even BE the device...

Anyone in their right mind can clearly understand that the commodity is NOT the device that makes the energy.. it is the energy ITSELF!!!!

If you possessed a machine that created free energy, you would sell the energy, NOT the device.

no one sells powerplants.... 

granted, batteries give a unique special use case, in that they are portable.
That is what gives them their "value". aside from the physical materials involved, the battery contains some quantity of the energy commodity. That you can carry around with you.
Even the rechargeable kind, you purchase the commodity from the power company, to place into the portable storage device.

Would you sell a flock of golden egg laying geese?

or would you sell your eggs?
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Nink on February 15, 2016, 07:44:09 PM
If you possessed a machine that created free energy, you would sell the energy, NOT the device.

I think you nailed it.

One of the big challenges though is the need for infrastructure to move the power from the generation plant to the location required and the ability to store the power and finally to generate power on demand (It's not windy or sunny or .. when I need it)

Electricity has a grid available but if you do create free energy you will need to pay the owner of the grid to distribute it so your free energy is no longer free and the monopolies that own them would make sure your free energy is the same price if not more than the traditional methods.

This is probably what makes these portable device concepts or privately owned power stations so interesting to consumers.  Pay a one time price and you don't have to worry about paying any more so they are continually scammed by this model. 

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: SoManyWires on February 16, 2016, 07:39:25 PM
Testing in this case would be very simple , even easier than the TPU [which overheated after a few hours and needed to cool]

this device is claimed to run for years at a few Horsepower [and then some]

I know it is just idle small talk here [about other kinds of visits] however

I personally have no idea how people that do take from the unsuspecting [not making any claims about Tim Slavings here] can even walk around in public with out looking over their shoulder.

I can guarantee you that most average fellows when presented with a working product for sale .. plunk down their hard earned cash [as buyers NOT INVESTORS] .

are gonna come knocking when the excuses run out... 

and you can take that to the Bank !!
they boldly took down their online flea market booth from what i understand.
nobody trusts the scammers integrity surrounding them anyway.
after being contacted 6 months after the sound of hearing crickets, still nothing new was brought to the table. a evaluation was performed based on their deceptive vacation looking advertising that lacked any meaningful proof, and a day or so later they tried to remove themselve$ from the radar literally saying something to the effect that they are taking their 2000 watt device on a extended vacation after not being pleased at all at how people are beginning to question the marketers honesty and integrity surrounding the 24000.00 USD that was scammed from previous investors who once believed in them.

bold was how they used the word vacation to decribe their intent.
looks like 24 grand can sure afford for a vacation, even if they are not willing to play honest nor transparent.

as they now try to moreless fade into profitable obscurity..
they lied on their fundraiser about claiming to have a working device.
they really do OWE their funders a very acceptable excuse to possibly avoid any repo trucks showing up from midnight auto parts.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2016, 12:32:56 AM
Suppose I had a 3-ft, 8-inch plastic tube, that weighs 20lbs..

what would I put inside that could do what is shown in their videos??

hmm... lets take this lithium AA battery here, (2500mA-Hr) weighs 0.033lbs
that means I can put ~600 of them in the tube, and be within the 20 lb limit.

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If I arranged these in rows of 80-cells (shooting for the 120v range)
I could make 7 rows.
2.5 Amp-Hrs x 7 = 17.5 Amp-Hrs @ 120v DC = 2.1 Kw/Hrs of electricity.
portable, and hell, I could use the rechargeable kind and give it a power plug to re-charge.

Now theres a choice to be made,,, do I plainly disclose its' contents? (which limits its' market value to the cost of plastic, and $500 worth of batteries)
or just paint it black, put a nice sticker on it, and sell it "as is" for $2k
hmm.......

This is completely open source, feel free to copy any or part of what I propose here, to put inside your own You (Plug) tube.

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2016, 12:39:10 AM
do the math with 20lbs worth of CR2050 button cells  :)
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 24, 2016, 02:42:05 AM
Suppose I had a 3-ft, 8-inch plastic tube, that weighs 20lbs..

what would I put inside that could do what is shown in their videos??

hmm... lets take this lithium AA battery here, (2500mA-Hr) weighs 0.033lbs
that means I can put ~600 of them in the tube, and be within the 20 lb limit.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If I arranged these in rows of 80-cells (shooting for the 120v range)
I could make 7 rows.
2.5 Amp-Hrs x 7 = 17.5 Amp-Hrs @ 120v DC = 2.1 Kw/Hrs of electricity.
portable, and hell, I could use the rechargeable kind and give it a power plug to re-charge.

Now theres a choice to be made,,, do I plainly disclose its' contents? (which limits its' market value to the cost of plastic, and $500 worth of batteries)
or just paint it black, put a nice sticker on it, and sell it "as is" for $2k
hmm.......

This is completely open source, feel free to copy any or part of what I propose here, to put inside your own You (Plug) tube.

Good thinking.  How about 3.7 volt 18650 3,500 mAh cells?  I have been playing with them lately and it is amazing how much energy is packed in there.  4 of them will jump start a car.  What would 50 of these do in the tube?  You could run your fridge or washing machine from it for a while.  This must be overunity then, ha ha.

Bill
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2016, 02:57:42 AM
Good thinking.  How about 3.7 volt 18650 3,500 mAh cells?  I have been playing with them lately and it is amazing how much energy is packed in there.  4 of them will jump start a car.  What would 50 of these do in the tube?  You could run your fridge or washing machine from it for a while.  This must be overunity then, ha ha.

Bill

take the weight of the batteries, and divide 20lbs by this number.
That tells you how many cells can be used within the 20lb limit.
the weight is more limiting than the size of the tube, we can fit a lot more in the given space.

from there, determine how to step up the voltage, either through a pulsed DC to AC rectifier, or just direct series current.
once you know how many series battery are in each "stack", divide the total number of batteries by the number of batteries per stack.
then you know how many parallel stacks you can make, thus giving you your total mAh operating time.

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: AlienGrey on February 25, 2016, 03:53:38 PM
Just get -web page not available when i click on the links

Tin man ;) to be honest what did you realy expect, once they think your getting above the end of the leash ? know what you mean nod, nod, wink, wink! to quote Monty python!

Tin man! Have you ever watched any of the, so called  ‘free energy’ mechanical devices ?  They are some thing like 1 cycle in and at least 40 cycles out and then feed  into the generator and that’s at 12c Volts in 14 Volts out, I’m not to sure how you would do this with electronics as just speeding up F does not produce more power as some think!,  as the power of the width is halved each time and thus some positive-faster pulses will fall on the ‘off’’ cycles, and they have no power  ;)

In order for the idea to work one would have to fill the gaps with standing ‘power’ waves, and do this each time the F is multiplied by 2, you’re a clever guy how could we do just that but 40 times to 1  ?  good luck!
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: FatBird on February 25, 2016, 10:15:09 PM
http://pesn.com/2016/02/20/9602722_U-Plug_Seeking_Good_Third-Party-Testing-Entity/ (http://pesn.com/2016/02/20/9602722_U-Plug_Seeking_Good_Third-Party-Testing-Entity/)
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                  .
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 25, 2016, 10:48:57 PM
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Blog:_U-Plug_Third_Party_Test_March_26%2C_2016

Ought to be an interesting get-together.  You all take some pictures for us.


BTW, I trying see if I can get Russ Gries to attend.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 25, 2016, 11:08:46 PM
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Blog:_U-Plug_Third_Party_Test_March_26%2C_2016 (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Blog:_U-Plug_Third_Party_Test_March_26%2C_2016)

Ought to be an interesting get-together.  You all take some pictures for us.

Sterling may find it a little difficult to attend the get-together.

http://freeenergyscams.com/sterling-d-allan-a-partner-with-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat-fraud-was-arrested-2-22-2016/
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 25, 2016, 11:13:17 PM
http://pesn.com/2016/02/20/9602722_U-Plug_Seeking_Good_Third-Party-Testing-Entity/ (http://pesn.com/2016/02/20/9602722_U-Plug_Seeking_Good_Third-Party-Testing-Entity/)
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                  .

Having all kinds of trouble, are they? Why don't they just call up ETI and see what Dr. Puthoff has to say. Three PhDs with worldwide reputations and many many publications between them, easy to find there, sitting around just waiting for something to do. Puthoff, Davis, Ibison. Plus a couple of highly qualified and experienced engineers, along with the apparatus and expertise necessary for testing these kinds of claims.


http://earthtech.org/about/ (http://earthtech.org/about/)


(I know why, and so do they.)
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 25, 2016, 11:15:05 PM
Sterling may find it a little difficult to attend the get-together.

So do the cops let you take your computer to jail with you?

He's online on Skype right now.
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on February 25, 2016, 11:37:19 PM
So do the cops let you take your computer to jail with you?

He's online on Skype right now.

Is he really? Maybe his parents posted the 25,000 dollar bond, then. Why don't you ask him?

Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: AlienGrey on February 25, 2016, 11:45:27 PM
I made a u-plug total cost $17.50 cents.  I need to buy some conduit  to put my 2 * 6 volt batteries in but I think that is a non functional requirement.

Powers my laptop quite nicely but not sure what I do when the batteries go flat.

 

What shape shuold your battery go when it go when it's fully discharged then ?? other than flat ??
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 26, 2016, 12:21:46 AM
Sterling may find it a little difficult to attend the get-together.

http://freeenergyscams.com/sterling-d-allan-a-partner-with-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat-fraud-was-arrested-2-22-2016/ (http://freeenergyscams.com/sterling-d-allan-a-partner-with-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat-fraud-was-arrested-2-22-2016/)


Holly Crap!


Bill
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Nink on February 26, 2016, 03:24:18 AM
Sterling may find it a little difficult to attend the get-together.

http://freeenergyscams.com/sterling-d-allan-a-partner-with-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat-fraud-was-arrested-2-22-2016/

WOW this deserves a separate thread. 
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: Dog-One on February 26, 2016, 03:59:21 AM
WOW this deserves a separate thread.

Looks to be legit:

http://www.utahcounty.gov/Dept/Sheriff/corrections/InmateDetail.asp?ID=333913
Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: TinselKoala on March 01, 2016, 08:46:19 PM
U-plug test cancelled:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Blog:_U-Plug_Third_Party_Test_March_26%2C_2016#CANCELLED


Title: Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
Post by: MileHigh on March 01, 2016, 09:05:44 PM
That's funny, I knew that it was cancelled before it was cancelled.

Have you checked out the web site from our buddy at hydroenergyrevolution.com lately?