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Author Topic: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator  (Read 30080 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2016, 10:25:19 AM »
That is exactly my point.  Maybe Tim knows there is simply no way to move forward, so he elected to throw us a bone without directly "stirring up the ants nest", then took the easy way out.

And I do like your planetary arrangement better than mine.  The more I think about it, I suppose it could be possible to stuff just the needed components in there.  One would have to expect a rough prototype to be much less optimized and quite a bit larger than a finely tuned final product.

We still don't have any sort of background on Tim, so who knows what and who he is connected to, what his skills are or what he is capable of.  If he has any association with JPL or NASA, it's likely he was "advised" as to what his options are.


 

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I'll be very surprised if this U-Plug device sees the light of day.  I'm hopeful, but not real optimistic.

I too doubt that it will ever make it to market.
1-It's a scam--as most expect
2-The government now has two of the !apparently!-do you think they will allow the release of such tec if it works as claimed?.-not a chance in hell. This would allow man to much freedom,and the governments of the world do not want that.
3- Poor old Tim will have an unsuspected heart attack,and die--all information will be lost.

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Instead, I think we will have to take what we got up to now and see if there is any way to make something of it.  Bugger.

There is a better,easier way to produce free energy. But the scaling to kW's will be expensive-small output's no problem-very cheap and easy. Only 3 components needed ;)

Smart is the way with this one,and verification by 3 other well educated persons first-->before any claims are made. All results collected from all parties,and presented at the same time on many outlets. No funding,no investors,no monies at all--just build ,test,and present.
No tea parties this time TK. :D


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Offline forest

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2016, 12:03:38 PM »
The government has nothing to do with that. If they have they would prevent any solar panels too.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2016, 01:02:25 PM »
The government has nothing to do with that. If they have they would prevent any solar panels too.

How would a government do that??

By keeping the price of the materials used to make solar panels at a price average equivalent to the cost of electricity or BTU equivalent of Oil??

Our government would never do that,..........

Offline tinman

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2016, 01:41:24 PM »
The government has nothing to do with that. If they have they would prevent any solar panels too.

Would they?
Maybe by insuring that the prices of converting to a stand alone system is kept way out of reach for most people?. Maybe by insuring that the efficiency remains very low with PV cells?.
You assume that because we are allowed to have something,that that something is the best we have,and the price is as low as it can be. Then rebates are dropped that low that it no longer is viable to use solar. Our government even had the balls to try and charge those with solar panels a sun tax--we soon put them back in there place. But it just go's to show you how arrogant these ass holes are--trying to tax us for sun light-->there crap never stop's.
So dont think for one minute that your government is for the people,as the total opposite is true. Governments are the largest terrorist organization in the world,and they will do anything to stop man from gaining any type of freedom. The people of the USA have just found out that there constitution/bill of right's means nothing,and one single man can change them at his will. Soon you will be disarmed as we were here in Australia-->but be thankful you lasted this long,as we only had one mass shooting,and that was it--every innocent man/woman had there guns taken away without a choice,without a say,without a vote.
So please dont tell us our governments have nothing to do with removing this sort of tec when it comes to pass,as they take everything they may deem to be a future problem to them.


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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2016, 01:43:44 PM »
How would a government do that??

By keeping the price of the materials used to make solar panels at a price average equivalent to the cost of electricity or BTU equivalent of Oil??

Our government would never do that,..........

 ;)

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2016, 01:43:44 PM »
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2016, 07:38:48 PM »
I do have concern about their claim of the 2500 pound magnet pull.  That would tend to take some very large very expensive magnets unless they got an extra zero in their (250 pound ?).   

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2016, 08:59:36 PM »
While trying very hard to believe the U-Plug is real, I thought this design might fit all the requirements of operation.

With the outer ring gear stationary and the small planetary gear connected to only the copper tubing.
The center magnet is stationary and the outer magnets rotate in a circle but always face the center magnet and do not rotate with the copper tubing.

The action is generated in the tubing by rotating the tubing causing an increased push on one side while the other side causes a pull as the retained field is shifted.
The idea is that the tubing retains the field for a short time and shifts the pushing field from the center magnet to one side while the other side rotates a pulling field from the back of the outer magnet to the center magnet.

Just an idea that seems to fit the push pull wording.

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Offline forest

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2016, 09:02:10 PM »
Rotating magnets is a waste of time.  :P

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2016, 09:16:00 PM »
Rotating magnets is a waste of time.  :P

That's why the magnets do not rotate in this design!

It's like when you have two magnets suspended on string and attracting each other with a gap between them.
Then using flat copper, rapidly pulled from the slot, the magnets tend to follow the copper as the retained field is held in the copper and pulls on the magnets.

What are the results when the magnets are not attracting but repelling, and the copper is pulled? Are the magnets instead pushed opposite the pulling direction?

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2016, 08:43:09 AM »
That's why the magnets do not rotate in this design!

It's like when you have two magnets suspended on string and attracting each other with a gap between them.
Then using flat copper, rapidly pulled from the slot, the magnets tend to follow the copper as the retained field is held in the copper and pulls on the magnets.

What are the results when the magnets are not attracting but repelling, and the copper is pulled? Are the magnets instead pushed opposite the pulling direction?

That's an interesting question. Actually what's happening is this: when you have two magnets facing in attraction, there is intense flux (lot of field lines if you like) between the facing poles of the two magnets. The copper strip is a conductor. When it moves, eddy currents are generated _around_ the field lines which are penetrating the copper at right angles to the plane of the copper. These eddy currents cause the drag between the copper and the magnets. This is basically the same as the demonstration where a magnet is dropped through a copper tube and falls slowly because of the eddy current drag. Also this principle is used in balances, like the common triple-beam balance, which typically uses an aluminum plate that moves between poles of magnets, creating a resistance that damps the motion so the balance comes to rest relatively quickly.  Eddy current braking....

Now, when you have the magnets so that the poles repel instead of attracting, the field lines conflict and spread out, like two mushrooms head to head, and it may be the case that no, or very few, field lines go through the copper at right angles if the copper is exactly centered between the "mushroom heads". So there might not be any drag at all, if the copper is right in the center between the poles. But if it is moved towards one or the other poles, then you once again have field lines penetrating the copper and on pulling the copper laterally,  eddy currents will be generated as before, dragging the magnet along with the copper.

The nice thing about eddy current braking/damping is that when there is slow or no motion, there is little or no damping. When the motion is faster, so is the damping/dragging effect. This means that it works perfectly when used to dampen the weighing balance because it adds no friction when the balance is not moving.


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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2016, 10:01:27 AM »
I shall further compound this by stating that when the magnets are in repulsion, and a moving plate of copper passes quickly between them, they will attract to the copper, within a range of forces, and when the copper leaves their near-field, the magnets will again repel each other.

The potential energy between the magnets after the copper leaves the field is equal to the energy required to force the copper plate between the magnets at said velocity. The eddy currents try to prevent the motion of the copper, while the motion of the copper creates the eddy currents.

It is a directly proportional relationship. And a completely conservative field-gradient, much like gravity.
This is because non-magnetic conductor, generates a time-variant field effect.
What we otherwise call "electromagnetic induction".
Electro - which comes from the greek 'electron, which literally meant Amber, in motion.
    i.e. - a time variant occurrence.

passing an attracting permanent magnet through the space instead of a copper plate, results in a similar reaction, without the time dependency.

In either case, the resistive forces over distance, are equivalent to the potential of the magnetic field gradient, through which the repelling magnets passed.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2016, 11:18:53 AM »
Just the fact that they are asking for money sounds the alarm bells to me.


It would be like someone inventing a way to turn any metal into gold (alchemy) and then saying they are broke and need money, its just stupid... if you have the goose that lays golden eggs... why ask someone else for gold?

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2016, 11:25:38 AM »
Just the fact that they are asking for money sounds the alarm bells to me.


It would be like someone inventing a way to turn any metal into gold (alchemy) and then saying they are broke and need money, its just stupid... if you have the goose that lays golden eggs... why ask someone else for gold?


It's not a good analogy. Better is the buried treasure. You need money to dig it up.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2016, 04:40:40 PM »
I shall further compound this by stating that when the magnets are in repulsion, and a moving plate of copper passes quickly between them, they will attract to the copper, within a range of forces, and when the copper leaves their near-field, the magnets will again repel each other.


Sm0ky2

Did you find this by your own testing?
In the next drawing it would seem that all drag could be removed except for a small amount in the spinning copper tube and any drag should be equivalent to a proportional force in movement around the stationary center magnet.

Without the copper tube rotating the outer magnet and tube could simply rotate around the center magnet without any drag, so any drag on the rotating tube should represent a shifting of field along the compression line and cause some motive force.




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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2016, 07:14:09 PM »
My view of this particular set-up, I would expect a force between the inner surface area of the copper tube and the center magnet, during rotation. counter to the direction of motion.
(I am assuming that the center magnet is not rotating in this setup)
given the asymmetrical distances between the two magnets with respect to the copper plate.

I doubt that's whats in the U-plug's white casing.

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