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Offline verpies

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2016, 11:38:14 PM »
The risk running a scam is smaller than e.g. being a honest electrician or builder.
You forgot to consider, that such scammers have no recourse when they get robbed.

I remember a story about vaporware Bitcoin mining machine scammers losing everything after someone has surveilled them for months and robbed them right before they skipped town.

There could be an entire criminal network praying on such scammers. Incidentally they perform a similar role to fraudulent justice system and the lazy Law Enforcement.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2016, 12:12:29 AM »
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Thanks for clearing up what Conrad meant By scammers  ... :o
and sharing your opinions.


to think I was just about to By that bridge too... ::)

Whew...
@ MH
yes something is off about the JPL, NASA and homeland security reference.
anyhoo
Received a call back , we shall see where this goes ?



 

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2016, 02:01:31 AM »
Not adding up...


Here's a 1300+ lbs pull-force magnet:
http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_5&products_id=953

6" x 4" x 2"  ---   $535 a piece.

These kind of magnets on a shaft fitting inside a tube...?

Nope.  And even if you could do it, the price for the magnets alone would put the whole device way over $1800.

Then we have the 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter.  One of those alone is about $1800.
http://www.kansaswindpower.net/Inverters.htm

Then the weight of the whole U-Plug, less than 20 pounds...?


Starting to sound like a bullshit story to me.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2016, 02:13:45 AM »
Not adding up...


Here's a 1300+ lbs pull-force magnet:
http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_5&products_id=953

6" x 4" x 2"  ---   $535 a piece.

These kind of magnets on a shaft fitting inside a tube...?

Nope.  And even if you could do it, the price for the magnets alone would put the whole device way over $1800.

Then we have the 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter.  One of those alone is about $1800.
http://www.kansaswindpower.net/Inverters.htm

Then the weight of the whole U-Plug, less than 20 pounds...?


Starting to sound like a bullshit story to me.

Where you getting your prices from Dog-One ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter-2000-Watt-12VDC-to-230-VAC-CAR-Mobile-Power-Supply-NEW-/281861958295?hash=item41a0482a97:g:etsAAOSwZVhWTo0Q

I see a lot of (hard to get out of) claims being made on there web site.

Run with this one Chet,--see where it go's.
Maybe some one else has figured out that the magnetic force !is! a flow of virtual charged particles(which are created by actual charged particles),and have found a way to put them to work.


Brad

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2016, 02:59:59 AM »
Maybe some one else has figured out that the magnetic force !is! a flow of virtual charged particles(which are created by actual charged particles),and have found a way to put them to work.

Maybe this whole U-Plug thing is just a hint, not an actual product.

Brad, you're good with mechanical devices.  Tim mentions a simplified planetary gear.  I'm thinking simplified means removal of the sun gear.  So lets say we have two identical ends, shafts connecting the planetary gears on each side, brackets on each side to keep the planetary gears locked into the ring gear and the tube connecting the ring gears.  On the shafts we mount magnets.  The rotating magnets on the shafts are timed via the planetary gears and the ring gear.  The idea here is the ring gear forces the direction of rotation.  So suppose the magnets on the shaft are aligned via the gear teeth to always repel each other--we will call one magnet the pusher and the other magnet the pushie, in respect of their direction of rotation around the ring gear.  The pusher magnet's vector force is "into" the ring gear, so it doesn't really want to back up.  The pushie magnet's vector force is pretty much inline with the curvature of the ring gear, so it freely moves forward.

Let's suppose we have six shafts each with magnets and a planetary gear on each end so the proximity of the magnets is fairly close together.  The brackets on each end preserve the spacing and the ring gear is of appropriate size to fit all this in without the planetary gears hitting or magnets physically touching each other.  The magnets themselves could be cylinder magnets with a hole bored through them for the shaft and radially magnetized.  There is probably a critical relationship between the diameter of these magnets and the diameter of the planetary gears.

What I picture in my mind is something similar to a continuous loop of falling dominoes.  Because of the gears, they are constantly reset.  Instead of falling linearly, they fall radially.

I don't know if any of this rambling makes any sense to anyone.  I don't have the mechanical abilities to assemble a prototype, though I could probably design the basics of it in CAD, maybe even animate it with enough practice.  Just tossing the thought out there that this U-Plug isn't the Holy Grail but there could be an idea embedded in all the hogwash that is.  Maybe it's a clue how to actually design a magnet motor.  I'd like to know if someone that understands what I'm saying has the mechanical wherewithal to actually find out.



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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2016, 02:59:59 AM »
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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2016, 03:40:00 AM »
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something similar to a continuous loop of falling dominoes.  Because of the gears, they are constantly reset.  Instead of falling linearly, they fall radially

Thats 1 of the 2, most original ideas I have heard lately.
   
  everyone agrees combining gravity, and magnetic interactions,  is a step closer to trying to break symmetry,  the conservation of energy,  you could just draw one section containing a falling-component connected to a section of gear,  peoples imagination can fill in the rest

(  The other recent idea I read,  was another member,  who is going to build a space-drive powered by gyroscopes( momentum effects etc ),   and just use it as a generator   )

If you like puzzles,  my two magnet-motors on this post
http://overunity.com/15774/permanent-magnet-motor/msg470966/#msg470966

magnet-motor-1,  all the magnets on the wheel want to get to the strongest part of the stator-magnet,  the last magnet on the wheel to detach away from the stator,  could be attarcted to the beginning of the stator-loop,  and also pushed on by all the other liitle magnets on the wheel

magnet-motor-2,  if you understand it,  you'll see it also has some very original,  potential

 

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2016, 04:05:49 AM »
Where you getting your prices from Dog-One ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pure-Sine-Wave-Inverter-2000-Watt-12VDC-to-230-VAC-CAR-Mobile-Power-Supply-NEW-/281861958295?hash=item41a0482a97:g:etsAAOSwZVhWTo0Q

I see a lot of (hard to get out of) claims being made on there web site.

Run with this one Chet,--see where it go's.
Maybe some one else has figured out that the magnetic force !is! a flow of virtual charged particles(which are created by actual charged particles),and have found a way to put them to work.


Brad

I do recall in the FAQ they said they don't use an inverter.  http://www.u-plugproducts.com/web/faq.php


How do we know there are no batteries in the machine?

First, no battery, by itself, puts out alternating (AC) current, the type of electricity everyone finds coming out of their wall sockets. Batteries generate direct (DC) current. Batteries come in volts listed as 12 volts, 24 volts, etc., direct current. A computer cannot be plugged into a DC current outlet. Cigarette lighters in cars are a DC outlet.

Second, assuming for the sake of argument that batteries could be put into a six inch diameter, 24 inch tall cylinder, the batteries would lose power within minutes running through an inverter to convert DC to AC power. In fact, after only a few minutes it would become so apparent that the batteries were losing power as the device hooked to the machine would begin to run more slowly, or the lights would begin to dim through the natural diminution of the power of the batteries.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2016, 04:27:24 AM »
Not arguing here, but I just want to clarify one point.

Many switchmode power supplies intended for 110-240 VAC will indeed work just fine on DC instead, even at a lower voltage.

Ok... carry on.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2016, 04:57:58 AM »
This will never work as claimed.  I know why and so do they.  Funny they don't mention that in their sales info.

Bill

Sorry, I just had to say it.  So far, TK has been correct every time he has said it so...I am going with the odds on this one, along with some common sense observations.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2016, 07:04:01 AM »
  Funny they don't mention that in their sales info.

Bill



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This will never work as claimed.  I know why and so do they.

well-do tell Bill. Why wont this work as claimed?.

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Sorry, I just had to say it.  So far, TK has been correct every time he has said it so...I am going with the odds on this one, along with some common sense observations.

So far,everyone that has claimed that these sort of devices will never work have been correct.
So far,i have not won the big one in lotto either-but some one always dose ;)

Do you truly believe that no more progress has been made since the birth of power generation,and it's working principles ?. Have we gone as far as we can go?.
I think not. Yes-there have been many scam's over the years,but it is only a matter of time before some one hit's the Jackpot. so,do you know that it dose not work as described by just looking at it,just following TK's lead,or you know how the internals are set  out,and what they are?.


Brad

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2016, 07:32:12 AM »
Look at the inconsistencies in their story.

1. They claim that the magnets + geartrain weigh 7 pounds. This alone is not plausible, for magnets of the strength claimed.
2. They claim to have had the device tested at JPL, under the supervision of NASA and DHS. Yet the "US Government" only ordered a couple of units, rather than immediately giving them a big contract, or inviting them for "tea, no biscuits" like some other people have been invited   ;)   . And their YT video is still up.....
3. They claim to have patents, but a patent search using Google advanced patent search doesn't come up with any patents in the name of the claimant.
4. They claim to be making 50 units a week, since two months ago at least. Yet nobody has one to test, and the "US Government" is still waiting on the couple of units they allegedly ordered.
5. No news on Fox or CNN about this miracle device.

None of this is proof that they don't have what they claim, of course. But come on ... if you showed YOUR government a self running magnet motor coupled to a generator that could power 2 kW of load, without any input, two years ago... what do you think would happen to _you_ by now? Would you still be trying to raise money by crowdfunding, and posting YT videos to try to drum up sales? I don't think so... and neither do you, I'll bet.

By the way, Ed Mitchell died yesterday, may he rest in peace. So that's one less moon-walker for you to worry about.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2016, 07:34:33 AM »
Maybe this whole U-Plug thing is just a hint, not an actual product.

Brad, you're good with mechanical devices.  Tim mentions a simplified planetary gear.  I'm thinking simplified means removal of the sun gear.  So lets say we have two identical ends, shafts connecting the planetary gears on each side, brackets on each side to keep the planetary gears locked into the ring gear and the tube connecting the ring gears.  On the shafts we mount magnets.  The rotating magnets on the shafts are timed via the planetary gears and the ring gear.  The idea here is the ring gear forces the direction of rotation.  So suppose the magnets on the shaft are aligned via the gear teeth to always repel each other--we will call one magnet the pusher and the other magnet the pushie, in respect of their direction of rotation around the ring gear.  The pusher magnet's vector force is "into" the ring gear, so it doesn't really want to back up.  The pushie magnet's vector force is pretty much inline with the curvature of the ring gear, so it freely moves forward.

Let's suppose we have six shafts each with magnets and a planetary gear on each end so the proximity of the magnets is fairly close together.  The brackets on each end preserve the spacing and the ring gear is of appropriate size to fit all this in without the planetary gears hitting or magnets physically touching each other.  The magnets themselves could be cylinder magnets with a hole bored through them for the shaft and radially magnetized.  There is probably a critical relationship between the diameter of these magnets and the diameter of the planetary gears.

What I picture in my mind is something similar to a continuous loop of falling dominoes.  Because of the gears, they are constantly reset.  Instead of falling linearly, they fall radially.

I don't know if any of this rambling makes any sense to anyone.  I don't have the mechanical abilities to assemble a prototype, though I could probably design the basics of it in CAD, maybe even animate it with enough practice.  Just tossing the thought out there that this U-Plug isn't the Holy Grail but there could be an idea embedded in all the hogwash that is.  Maybe it's a clue how to actually design a magnet motor.  I'd like to know if someone that understands what I'm saying has the mechanical wherewithal to actually find out.

I seem to remember another magnet motor being made many years ago,that was based around a planetary arrangement--back in the 50's i think. Was claimed to be a self runner,but of course no one has a working model-AFAIK.

I would think the pinion gear is kept,and the planetary gears are what have the shafts that the magnets are fixed to. The hub gear(or crown wheel) would be emitted. The planetary gears would no longer orbit the pinion,but would be held into position by the idler plate/carrier plate. You now have a triangle pattern of rotating cylinder magnets that are magnetized diametrically,and this would create some very sharp pole flipping fields at the center of the 3 rotating magnets.

There are many things left to be discovered,and no one on this forum can say for sure whether or not for certainty that the next device is not one of them new discoveries simply by looking at a video,or reading some text. They are taking a !!best guess!!,a guess where the odds are in there favor--nothing more. Only after careful research and testing ,can a final call be made.

I once designed a gear box where the input shaft could turn in either direction,but the output shaft would always turn in only one direction-no dog clutches or shifting gears--every gear constantly meshed,and never moved position. There was no gear changing shifter,and the output shaft always had unidirectional torque-regardless of the direction of the applied input torque,and there was no torque lag time between the input and output shafts. Never did find a use for such a gear box,but who know's,one day it may come about.

Brad

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2016, 07:53:40 AM »
Hi DogOne,

There are many patent claims that have a similar planetary gear type magnet motor structure. You can see some here.

https://patents.google.com/?q=magnetic+motor&q=planetary,gear&q=H02K53%2f00

The new google patent search allows you to search by CPC codes to narrow down what your looking for.

They do update the codes so you may have to check here for changes.
http://www.cooperativepatentclassification.org/index.html
http://www.cooperativepatentclassification.org/cpcSchemeAndDefinitions/table.html

It's a little overwhelming the best way to find codes is by searching for in the patents then looking at the classification codes that are related.

An older site which the codes may be outdated but gives you an easier to see relationship of the classifications is:
http://www.google.com/patents/sitemap/en/Sitemap.html

There are so many patents that have claims, a lot can be dismissed as just bad or some that don't have enough information or purposely left out.

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2016, 08:02:38 AM »
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Look at the inconsistencies in their story.
 
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1. They claim that the magnets + geartrain weigh 7 pounds. This alone is not plausible, for magnets of the strength claimed.

Titanium is pretty light. Maybe the gears are made from that.
And who is to say the pull force of the magnet is measured from only one side of the magnet,when in a rotating situation,where both ends of the magnet provide that pull force at the same time.
If one end of the magnet has a pull force of 100lb's,then the other end of the magnet will also provide 100lb's of pull force as well.

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2. They claim to have had the device tested at JPL, under the supervision of NASA and DHS. Yet the "US Government" only ordered a couple of units, rather than immediately giving them a big contract, or inviting them for "tea, no biscuits" like some other people have been invited   ;)   . And their YT video is still up.....

Would the US government need any more than two unit's to have either the armed forces or NASA replicate it?. Why would you think they need more than this to achieve a working replication?. I wonder if there patent will now be approved by the said government that just bought two unit's,or will it now be declined--some national security bullshit again :D
Cake and soft drink is a far better option when it's hot ;),and a video that shows a piece of PVC pipe with wires coming out of it dose not give away to much i wouldnt think ;)

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5. No news on Fox or CNN about this miracle device


 ::)
Like you'd ever see any real or interesting news on those channels lol.

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None of this is proof that they don't have what they claim, of course. But come on ... if you showed YOUR government a self running magnet motor coupled to a generator that could power 2 kW of load, without any input, two years ago... what do you think would happen to _you_ by now? Would you still be trying to raise money by crowdfunding, and posting YT videos to try to drum up sales? I don't think so... and neither do you, I'll bet.

Hell no.
I'd either be
1-dead
2-kicking back in the Bahamas
3-Doing what i could without stirring up the ants nest-so to speak.

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By the way, Ed Mitchell died yesterday, may he rest in peace. So that's one less moon-walker for you to worry about.

Sorry to hear that.
One of my best friends died of cancer last wednesday--never smoked a ciggy in his life. He was more real to me than any moon walker.


Brad

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Re: Is the free energy gamechanger here ? 2000 Watts u-plug generator
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2016, 09:38:17 AM »
2-kicking back in the Bahamas
3-Doing what i could without stirring up the ants nest-so to speak.

That is exactly my point.  Maybe Tim knows there is simply no way to move forward, so he elected to throw us a bone without directly "stirring up the ants nest", then took the easy way out.

And I do like your planetary arrangement better than mine.  The more I think about it, I suppose it could be possible to stuff just the needed components in there.  One would have to expect a rough prototype to be much less optimized and quite a bit larger than a finely tuned final product.

We still don't have any sort of background on Tim, so who knows what and who he is connected to, what his skills are or what he is capable of.  If he has any association with JPL or NASA, it's likely he was "advised" as to what his options are.


I'll be very surprised if this U-Plug device sees the light of day.  I'm hopeful, but not real optimistic.  Instead, I think we will have to take what we got up to now and see if there is any way to make something of it.  Bugger.


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