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Author Topic: The reverse Marinov Motor  (Read 2726 times)

Offline broli

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The reverse Marinov Motor
« on: January 30, 2016, 12:35:37 PM »
Some of you may have heard of the Stefan Marinov motor aka the Siberian Coliu. I know some members here have played with it as well (such as TK). If you never have heard of it, I would recommend google.

Pretty much it relates to homopolar motors/generators but the main difference is that the symmetry is broken, in a way you can see it as a mirrored homopolar motor...atleast that's how I discovered it until I realized Stefan Marinov et al. had come up with this concepts decades ago.

The latest obsession though has been haunting me for a while and perhaps its time to share it online in order to get unstuck. First of all the Stefan Marinov motor is a source of a lot of confusion when you do the research. You find very contradicting information online (perhaps this is inherit to any paradoxical experiment).
The simple thought question was, what if you reversed the motor, and let the ring be the stationary part and allow the the magnets AND the crossing current to rotate as one unit. There is no question about the induced voltage that will arise in the cross bar, however what keeps me awake at night is not being able to figure out the torque that gets applied on the system when such voltage is allowed to induce a current.

This very answer might hold big implications. Since there are many interesting possible outcomes but one main one has immediate devastating results...  If the torque on the magnet/crossbar assembly is in the same direction as the rotation I need not explain what this implies.

However I have been racking my brain on this for a while and just can't figure it out. I've come up with plenty potential experiments beds to test this out but I think the reason why I got stuck is that I'm over complicating things. The simplest experiment I did was either not powerful enough (I am limited to 5A) or showed that the setup did not experience a torque at all, which in itself is considered "anti lenz".

Anyone willing to perform a similar experiment would make me very glad, hence the reason of sharing this work.

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The reverse Marinov Motor
« on: January 30, 2016, 12:35:37 PM »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The reverse Marinov Motor
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 12:49:15 PM »
I can't find Jeffrey Kooistra's original Infinite Energy Magazine articles on the Marinov Siberian Coilu on line, but I was able to find Ken Rauen's update report:
http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue39/deviceupdate.html


Have fun !



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Offline broli

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Re: The reverse Marinov Motor
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 01:36:20 PM »
Thanks for the link but I've read that article quite a few times and also came across the Warlock Wheel where rotation direction is reversed depending on brush location and how this can be explained with leakage flux and the Lorentz force. However none of that information tells me what direction the magnets+crossing conductor will spin when current is applied :) . As the article mentions the KLP motor and the motor you built a decade ago and mentioned on this forum a few times are pulsing DC motors and are stepping away from the brushing action. These are good pulse motors but when shorted and ran as a generator will come to a dead halt, at least in my experiments.

The thing is, I'm sure on the direction of the induced voltage, but clueless on the reaction torque (if any?) in the presented setup above. If the ring itself imparts no torque and we can use the same reasoning of reversing rotation as in the warlock wheel, then given the brush location we can decide the rotation ourselves???

In most cases there's no such thing as a free lunch, in fact if the ring causes a torque as to impede the rotation of the magnet/crossing conductor that would not surprise me one bit and all would be well in physics. But it's that nagging thought of "what if it does something else..." that keeps bugging me.

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Re: The reverse Marinov Motor
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2016, 03:46:07 AM »
broil
maybe some understanding to be had here?
member Smudge has a simple experiment to offer

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2470.msg54313;topicseen#msg54313

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Re: The reverse Marinov Motor
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2016, 03:42:47 PM »
Hey Chet, thanks for the link but Smudge's work too was part of my research.

If I could I would try to get more people involved in this interesting phenomena but people like to see a bang first before they flock to see what's happening.

Currently I don't have the equipment to experiment in the high current range (20 plus Amps). As I mentioned before even the low amp experiment should show some torque as the inductive forces (the ones generating voltage) are not only equal but double that which is found in homopolar generators, so one would expect the torque to be in the same order of magnitude as HPG's, but my experiment did not show any.

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Re: The reverse Marinov Motor
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2016, 03:42:47 PM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The reverse Marinov Motor
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 06:03:59 PM »
the "force" is attached to the field interactions,

NOT the metal itself!!!!!!!

the force you are looking for already happened before you saw the metal move.

Offline broli

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Re: The reverse Marinov Motor
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2016, 09:26:38 PM »
I think there's a better explanation than that and besides I did not say the assembly did not move I said I could not see any movement with my setup, there's no telling what would happen if the current was increased by 10 folds to around 50A.

Either way there are 3 cases, the magnet+conductor bridge turn CW, CCW or not at all. In 2 out of three cases you strike gold in the other it's just fool's gold.

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Re: The reverse Marinov Motor
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2016, 09:26:38 PM »
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