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Offline picowatt

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Re: Moon Walkers.
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2016, 11:38:22 PM »
So i have found a site that has all of NASA's high res pictures--with large zoom capabilities.
This is a treasure trove to the researchers out there.

Below is a couple of high res close up's of the lunar landers of Apollo 16 and 17.
I mean ,just have a look at these wrecks :o ::). Are you truly trying to tell us that these wrecks carried man to and from the moon?-->i mean REALLY lol. This has to be some sort of joke :P
Square cut unfinished corners of sheet metal--the flooring base looks like corrugated zincalume sheeting from some farmers hay shed--all the seems are coming apart-->i mean,just look at the wrecks.
And you have the balls to say that i couldnt design and build a vehicle that could opperate in the vacuum of space.
All NASA's millions to build the best of the best :o-yea right--looks like it. ::) ::)

The inner and outer walls of the LEM were very thin.  Between the inner wall and the outer wall, which is actually the micrometeorite shield panels seen on the outside of the LEM in the images posted, was a thermal blanket.  The outer micrometeroite shield and thermal blanket were supported away from the inner skin by standoffs.  On the way to the moon, the outer micrometerorite shield of the LEM saw large temperature variations which caused thermal expansion and contraction of those outer panels.  They were intentionally mounted to allow for this (and reduce thermal conduction to the inner skin). Even so, being attached at the standoffs produced some degree of inconsequential buckling. Keep in mind the LEM never saw aerodynamic loads, needed to be as light as possible, and in the end was disposable.

Astronauts have remarked, somewhat tongue in cheek, about how thin even the inner walls of the LEM were and that they were a bit concerned over how easily they might be punctured.  Nothing was made any heavier than it absolutely had to be.  Anywhere weight could be saved it was.  Space is not easy.

Here is some cool design info, wall construction is around page 7 and 8 or so:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LM04_Lunar_Module_ppLV1-17.pdf

Just for grins, check out the explosive devices discussed toward the end of the document.

PW

Added:  From the linked document, those outer micrometeorite panels, minus additional thermal coatings (i.e., paint) were made from aluminum that varied between .004" and .008" thick, which is similar to the thickness of a beer can.  I believe I read somewhere that the inner skin was only on the high side of those thickness numbers or just a tad bit more.
 
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Re: Moon Walkers.
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2016, 04:38:29 AM »
So i have found a site that has all of NASA's high res pictures--with large zoom capabilities.
This is a treasure trove to the researchers out there.

Below is a couple of high res close up's of the lunar landers of Apollo 16 and 17.
I mean ,just have a look at these wrecks :o ::). Are you truly trying to tell us that these wrecks carried man to and from the moon?-->i mean REALLY lol. This has to be some sort of joke :P
Square cut unfinished corners of sheet metal--the flooring base looks like corrugated zincalume sheeting from some farmers hay shed--all the seems are coming apart-->i mean,just look at the wrecks.
And you have the balls to say that i couldnt design and build a vehicle that could opperate in the vacuum of space.
All NASA's millions to build the best of the best :o-yea right--looks like it. ::) ::)

No offense Tinman but I can't believe NASA built that.  This looks like something you through together with some mates in the back paddock after a couple beers. That is really a rough job and you need to learn how to use a rivet gun cause you buckled the crap out of sheet metal. If I was your high school metal work teacher I would have given you an F for that piece of garbage. 

Is that duct tape ?

 

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« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2016, 07:46:49 AM »
I have seen some disturbing videos disclosed anonymous on the wed that have already been deleted showing landing on the moon and hidden "man made" caves on the moon.

In my beliefs, I do believe they went there. BUT they only managed it to do it with “stolen” technology. This goes back to Einstein, Nikola, Hiddler (I miss spelled it on purpose), and others that are not US born. Just look at the history of the rocket...I forgot his name but he is not a US born (like many) that made it possible for the rocket to break from the earth's “gravity”...Einstein was not US born but he was a great thinker and founder of great thoughts.

At any rate, I do believe they managed to go to the moon by spending lots of money building non-US citizens stolen ideas. The great minds always come from poverty! Or the occasional genetically born person with a different brain than the average...but most come from the poor and not the rich.

Eisntein = foreigner.

Nikola = foreigner.

Hiddler = foreigner.

Wright brothers =   German, Dutch, English, Swiss

That dude that made the rocket posible to go outside the earth's atmosphere = foreigner.

The US is guilty of stealing ideas and not crediting where they come from?

At any rate, I do believe they managed to get to the moon. The is no purpose on going back there again?

The conspiracy? The Chinese will surpass the US eventually! They are even taking over tools. I am a big tools fan. Like from the store sears. They use to be USA made and proud tools. Now they are made in china. Many sears have closed. Radioshack has closed many US stores too. One of the major tool brands right now is Milwaukee which is own by china. That company has surpassed sears and has bought other US tool companies too. Makita (Japanese) is another major brand tool company and is not even US either.

Shyt, now that I think about it, not a lot of innovative things come from the US...they just “steal” innovations from others. O.0 There is this INCOMPREHENSIBLE ideology where the thinkers give the ideas to the US and the US use those ideas and think their citizens came up with those ideas..which history shows that is 100% false. IMO.

Now I need to go take my medication lol

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« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2016, 09:31:33 AM »
Think about this...  If the moon landings were faked then presumably the entire LRO design team and operations team would have to be in on the conspiracy.  We can guess that half to two-thirds of the personnel on both teams weren't even born when the first moon landing was made.  So that means you had to sign fresh engineering students out of college into secrecy into a nefarious criminal government plot.  Once you just tell them that they have to sign they are bound to not tell anyone that you asked them to sign even if they aren't hired.

The criminal conspiracy is unworkable and doesn't make any sense.  Whenever a new space probe is developed that images the moon you have to sign the new team into a criminal conspiracy.

It makes about as much sense as stating that the WTC towers were wired with explosives ahead of time.

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« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2016, 10:18:42 AM »
Balcony is always crying for a: Third-party validation.


The stones are Third-party , oops a half ton!?!?!, but so that we can check and proven phoney!


All the rest is not Third-Party and so Disney, why is Dansing not reacting?

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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2016, 10:33:41 AM »
No offense Tinman but I can't believe NASA built that.  This looks like something you through together with some mates in the back paddock after a couple beers. That is really a rough job and you need to learn how to use a rivet gun cause you buckled the crap out of sheet metal. If I was your high school metal work teacher I would have given you an F for that piece of garbage. 

Is that duct tape ?

Lol--no,they are the real deal from NASA--believe it or not. These are the multi million dollar machines that landed man safely on the moon,and then lifted them back into space lol.
This site has every picture ever taken by NASA's apollo missions. I have spent a lot of time going through them,and i can tell you now-the moon walkers were a hoax. In this archive of pictures,wou will see magic happen,from self levitating lunar rover's,to lunar modules that change positions all by them self. The images that are shown on this video of the apollo 17 mission,are on there as well-as clear as day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-djnyOm1Jdw

Here is the link to the apollo 17 mission photographs. Click on each image,and it will expand the image. You can see so much detail in these images-even at exploded views.
The site has all the apollo missions on it,so take a day,and enjoy the hoax unravel.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/72157658976934006/page1

Oh,and check out the plastic/nylon flag's in HD. Some say they were an aluminum foil,but as you can see--good old nylon/plastic material,with standard stitching. They seem to hold up well to the extreme temperature's-->just like that photograph in the plastic bag did.


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« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2016, 12:47:27 PM »
The inner and outer walls of the LEM were very thin.  Between the inner wall and the outer wall, which is actually the micrometeorite shield panels seen on the outside of the LEM in the images posted, was a thermal blanket.  The outer micrometeroite shield and thermal blanket were supported away from the inner skin by standoffs.  On the way to the moon, the outer micrometerorite shield of the LEM saw large temperature variations which caused thermal expansion and contraction of those outer panels.  They were intentionally mounted to allow for this (and reduce thermal conduction to the inner skin). Even so, being attached at the standoffs produced some degree of inconsequential buckling. Keep in mind the LEM never saw aerodynamic loads, needed to be as light as possible, and in the end was disposable.

Astronauts have remarked, somewhat tongue in cheek, about how thin even the inner walls of the LEM were and that they were a bit concerned over how easily they might be punctured.  Nothing was made any heavier than it absolutely had to be.  Anywhere weight could be saved it was.  Space is not easy.

Here is some cool design info, wall construction is around page 7 and 8 or so:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LM04_Lunar_Module_ppLV1-17.pdf

Just for grins, check out the explosive devices discussed toward the end of the document.

PW

Added:  From the linked document, those outer micrometeorite panels, minus additional thermal coatings (i.e., paint) were made from aluminum that varied between .004" and .008" thick, which is similar to the thickness of a beer can.  I believe I read somewhere that the inner skin was only on the high side of those thickness numbers or just a tad bit more.


I want some of that thermal blanket. In my house, when the outside temp. gets over 390 F., my cooling bill gets too high. I can imagine how, with only a wall thickness of apparently 4 inches or so just like my house is now, I can have a comfortable life without AC like in the lander.

Thanks for the reference to beer can thickness. Now I have something I can relate to.

Did we ever figure out how they survived the terrible cold of night on the Moon? Maybe on the Moon they have shorter nights?


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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2016, 01:56:22 PM »

I want some of that thermal blanket. In my house, when the outside temp. gets over 390 F., my cooling bill gets too high. I can imagine how, with only a wall thickness of apparently 4 inches or so just like my house is now, I can have a comfortable life without AC like in the lander.

Thanks for the reference to beer can thickness. Now I have something I can relate to.




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Did we ever figure out how they survived the terrible cold of night on the Moon? Maybe on the Moon they have shorter nights?

Insulation dear Watson lol.

Im more interested in what the differential pressure was between the inside and outside of the space suits. Looking at the first image,it would appear as though there was none--note all the wrinkles in the suit. The second image is what i would expect to see lol.

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« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2016, 02:10:46 PM »



   Nobody seems to have thought about what Russia were doing,
   I'll bet they had their beady eyes on every move.

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« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2016, 03:20:56 PM »
Lol--no,they are the real deal from NASA--believe it or not. These are the multi million dollar machines that landed man safely on the moon,and then lifted them back into space lol.

A mechanical engineer of any kind, which apparently you are not, would be able to look at the design of the LEM, including those outer panels you scoff at, and appreciate the high degree of research, design, and engineering that went into the design solution arrived at.  The outer panels are like a lightweight tent suspended away from the inner structures.  They are connected to the inner structure by standoffs using as few of them as possible to reduce thermal conduction between the outer and inner walls.  The outer panels were overlapped, somewhat like shingles, and where they overlapped, the panels were chemically milled to reduce their thickness to reduce unnecessary weight. 

During the trip to the moon, the CM and LM were slowly rotated to prevent heat from building excessively on the sun facing side.  Because of this, the thin outer panels saw heating and cooling differentials that made them expand and contract.

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This site has every picture ever taken by NASA's apollo missions. I have spent a lot of time going through them,and i can tell you now-the moon walkers were a hoax. In this archive of pictures,wou will see magic happen,from self levitating lunar rover's,to lunar modules that change positions all by them self. The images that are shown on this video of the apollo 17 mission,are on there as well-as clear as day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-djnyOm1Jdw

I actually wasted a few moments of my life and watched the "analysis" of the first two images discussed in this video.  They are very keen on being focused on and discussing, the background, but it is the foreground that one should instead pay attention to.

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Oh,and check out the plastic/nylon flag's in HD. Some say they were an aluminum foil,but as you can see--good old nylon/plastic material,with standard stitching. They seem to hold up well to the extreme temperature's-->just like that photograph in the plastic bag did.

And just exactly how can you determine what the flag is made from by just looking at it?

For work that I do here I have an entire library of woven metal mesh.  I have stainless steel, bronze, brass, copper, aluminum, Monel, Nickel and a few more exotic materials with weaves up 1200 wires per inch.  Some of these mesh are more flexible than and feel softer than a lot of synthetic cloth weaves. 

NASA used a lot of woven mesh in various applications.  Some of the most expensive, and at the time, leading edge technology, were used in the glove of the space suit.  On the LEM, for example, the darker material of thermal insulation seen on the outside in the areas of the nozzle exhaust incorporated a nickle mesh.

When I look at your flag closeup, all I can see is that it appears that it might be made from a woven material, or possibly even a non-woven material.  Apparently, I do not have the same magic powers (or closed mindedness) as you do and cannot tell what that material is from just looking at the image.

PW
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« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2016, 03:21:40 PM »
Think about this...  If the moon landings were faked then presumably the entire LRO design team and operations team would have to be in on the conspiracy.  We can guess that half to two-thirds of the personnel on both teams weren't even born when the first moon landing was made.  So that means you had to sign fresh engineering students out of college into secrecy into a nefarious criminal government plot.  Once you just tell them that they have to sign they are bound to not tell anyone that you asked them to sign even if they aren't hired.

The criminal conspiracy is unworkable and doesn't make any sense.  Whenever a new space probe is developed that images the moon you have to sign the new team into a criminal conspiracy.

It makes about as much sense as stating that the WTC towers were wired with explosives ahead of time.

The way NASA works is to keep every group completely departmentalized.  Your team is to build a Rover. My team built the thrusters etc.  Now everything is assembled.  Once the Rocket is launched everyone works completely from data received to understand the status of the mission.  The data can either be real or simulated. 

So all they had to do was build a rocket, fly up to space, orbit around a few times and come back home.  In the mean time transmit a bunch of fake data back and play some pre-recorded video that was projected at a low lumen 640 * 480 onto a screen in Black and White and then filmed off that screen by the various TV networks.   The only people who needed to know were the Astronauts, the president and a handful of people including the guy who streamed the fake video from the Parkes radio telescope in Australia that was actually damaged by a storm that morning. The reason they needed to use such a huge dish and no one else could receive the signal was because apparently the astronauts did not even have an antenna large enough to transmit a signal to earth.


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« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2016, 04:12:12 PM »
You only need about 3 PSI of mostly oxygen to survive in space.

There are also many photos of Earth bound equipment tests that seem to get confused in the mix.

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« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2016, 04:14:27 PM »
Insulation dear Watson lol.

Im more interested in what the differential pressure was between the inside and outside of the space suits. Looking at the first image,it would appear as though there was none--note all the wrinkles in the suit. The second image is what i would expect to see lol.

Once again you demonstrate an extreme ignorance of the subject matter.

In the vacuum of space or on the surface of the moon, there is no "air" to support conduction or generate convection.  All heat flow is by way of radiation and absorption.  In recent posts you asked what the temperature on the moon was and I provided you with the extremes that I have seen published (+/-200C).  Those temperature extremes are of the lunar surface temperature.  There is no "air" so there is no other temperature to discuss.  The temperature of any object on the moon will depend on its reflection and absorption properties with regard to the solar flux to which it is exposed.

Here on Earth, if the surface temperature were +200C, the air temperature would be very hot indeed, because air is a pretty good conductor of heat, particularly when compared to a vacuum.  Surely most are familiar with a vacuum thermos.  They are typically made from two walls of glass separated by a vacuum.  No heat can flow thru the vacuum by conduction.  But, thermal (infrared) radiation can flow thru the vacuum so the walls are typically metalized so as to reflect and prevent the flow of radiated heat.

So, now you are standing on the moon, in a vacuum thermos, so to speak.  Your temperature will depend for the most part on what you are wearing and whether you are in the direct sun or in a shadow.  If you are wearing a layered spacesuit that has reflective layers designed to efficiently reflect visible, IR, and UV wavelengths, even while standing in the direct sun, you will experience only a moderate rise in temperature.  In fact, if an astronaut has his back to the sun, his hands would be in his own shadow and would become cold very quickly.

Similarly, the LEM only needs to reflect away as much solar flux as possible using its outer layer of panels.  They are not perfect reflectors so their temperature will slowly climb.  As their temperature increases, they will tend to radiate away heat from their inner surface.  To reduce the flow of radiated heat, a layered thermal barrier (IR barrier) of insulation is suspended between (not touching) the inner and outer wall panels.  Because of the vacuum, the only other heat flow path between the inner and outer walls of the LEM is by way of conduction thru the standoffs that support the outer wall panels away from the inner wall.  A minimum number of standoffs were used to reduce this conductive heat path, and is why the outer panels have very few attachment points and are effectively draped over the inner structure in a tent like fashion.  The gold metalized mylar films used to wrap the struts and lower sections of the lander are also used to reflect infrared wavelengths and prevent those areas of the lander from becoming excessively hot.


You have asked how the astronauts handled the extreme cold of the lunar night.  A lunar day and lunar night are each 2 weeks long.  The astronauts were never on the moon during a lunar night.  In fact, NASA timed the lunar landings to occur during the lunar dawn (morning).  The surface temperature at that time was still relatively cool.   


(Surely the phases of the moon were explained to you in grade school science class.  Were you paying attention?  Does "28 days" ring a bell?)

PW
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« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2016, 04:25:01 PM »
Insulation dear Watson lol.

Im more interested in what the differential pressure was between the inside and outside of the space suits. Looking at the first image,it would appear as though there was none--note all the wrinkles in the suit. The second image is what i would expect to see lol.

I am sorry Tinman, but my respect for any intellectual prowess I may have credited you with in the past is dwindling rather quickly.  In fact, I am finding it hard to believe you were ever 27 years old.

With only the slightest amount of research into the design of the Apollo space suits, you would not be asking this silly question or poking fun using the Michelin man.

And yet you claim to be an "active" mechanical engineer and would lead us to believe you have an open and scientific mind...

PW

Link I posted in other thread some time ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urnoer7w4wM

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« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2016, 04:59:55 PM »
The way NASA works is to keep every group completely departmentalized.  Your team is to build a Rover. My team built the thrusters etc.  Now everything is assembled.  Once the Rocket is launched everyone works completely from data received to understand the status of the mission.  The data can either be real or simulated. 

So all they had to do was build a rocket, fly up to space, orbit around a few times and come back home.  In the mean time transmit a bunch of fake data back and play some pre-recorded video that was projected at a low lumen 640 * 480 onto a screen in Black and White and then filmed off that screen by the various TV networks.   The only people who needed to know were the Astronauts, the president and a handful of people including the guy who streamed the fake video from the Parkes radio telescope in Australia that was actually damaged by a storm that morning. The reason they needed to use such a huge dish and no one else could receive the signal was because apparently the astronauts did not even have an antenna large enough to transmit a signal to earth.


Did I mention that I built a 50K Watt water powered generator, Here is a video and the data to prove it  WWW.GDSTECHNOLOGIES.COM

Wow, do some research...

There was a worldwide tracking network located so Apollo could be tracked during all times of day and night on Earth.

As well, the Russians had there own tracking network used for their moon missions and also kept an eye on Apollo.

Amateur radio operators were also able to track/receive transmissions from Apollo.

Everyone would have noticed if Apollo never left orbit...

PW

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