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Title: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 15, 2016, 02:31:21 AM
I recently read an excellent comment by Smoky2 that makes a lot of sense and may provide some substantial insight on how to achieve success with building an OU self oscillating transformer. The most attractive of all free energy devices, think of Floyd Sweet's device, and also Steven Mark's TPU.

Floyd Sweet first noticed the 'self oscillating' effect in a conventional transformer that continued to run after he had turned it off. I think Floyd made the classic mistake at the time, he departed from the successful device he already had in his hot little hands and moved onto to something entirely different, namely a conditioned Barium magnet with a set of cross wound coils that operated in a entirely different manner and wound up being very hard to understand and also perfect. There was nothing wrong with the effect he was already seeing. He should have measured and documented all the different parameters and tried to perfect that very simple device rather than moving onto something exotic that never did go anywhere.

Nikola Tesla demonstrated the exponential free energy effects of self oscillation when he attached a small oscillating device to a structural beam in a warehouse in the New York research facility he occupied before moving to Colorado Springs. The device set up a resonance in the molecular structure of the steel beam that began to build until the entire building started to shake. Apparently the whole neighborhood became alarmed at what was taking place and Tesla had to pick up a hammer and smash the device before the building was destroyed. One can also think of the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge due to effects of resonance. A gust of wind caused it to begin to oscillate and it picked up momentum until it broke. Free energy from resonance.

Now please read Smoky's comment that has been taken from this page.... http://overunity.com/9749/aether-vortex-energy-converter-avec-device-full-disclosure/msg469717/#msg469717

(Smoky2)

I'll try to relay this from a different perspective...

You have an inductor, a piece of iron, or a ceramic semiconductor torroid, a pencil, whatever...

with no inducing field, all the atoms are randomly pointing in any direction, their magnetic moments are everywhere, canceling each other out
there is no detectable magnetic field outside the material.

when we bring a magnetic field close to the material, the field domains line up opposing that field.
mostly in the same direction.
Now, this takes time,... to turn them, so from a "neutral" point, it takes time X to orient the atoms against the inducing field.
(this is approx. 1/4 the self-resonant freq, but follow)

We now alternate the inducing field to the opposite direction, causing the atoms in the inductor to flip the other way.
  This takes time.
How much time? well, if you don't take a break between flipping one way to the other (because to do so would add +1/4 f)
It takes exactly 1/2 of the self-resonant freq.

So,. if you change the inducing magnetic field, at a frequency exactly twice that if the time it takes for the poles to flip from one direction to the other...
   you effectively flip poles at the maximum frequency the inductor can flip at.
Now, if we flip at a speed slower than that, the magnetic field domains revert to the "neutral state", and have to be brought back to the oriented state.
This causes a loss in energy, due to reluctance.
If you flip the field at a speed faster than that, you do not get full induction within the core, reluctive losses are much greater.

Now, some of you that have been paying attention have noticed by now that there is a difference in the self-resonant freq. and the max freq. posted on the data sheet.
 (good job if that's you!!)

There are some tiny differences in the inductor material, try as we may to perfect it, That causes the "perfect balance" in magnetic flux that we desire,
to vary slightly from the fastest possible that we can flip the field.

In a non-superconductor material, this frequency is less than the maximum.
In a true superconductor, the self-resonant frequency of an inductor is the same as its' maximum frequency.

::::For the language barrier --  those who don't understand what I mean when I talk about the frequency of the inductor
It is a factor of the response time of the inductor, meaning how many times the field domains flip from one pole to the other and back again, per second (Hz).
This corresponds exactly to both the input frequency and the output of any secondary coil(s).
This is affected by the diameter of the wire, length of the wire, number of coils, diameter(s) of coiling, and to some degree, distance from the inductor.

What it means for a system to be "resonant", is that the frequencies are coherent with one another.
They do not disrupt each others patterns.

This can be frequencies that are the same.
Frequencies that are divisible, or multiples of one another.
or frequencies that meet as certain corresponding "nodes",
      for instance 1/4th or 1/2 nodes, or nodes that may only meet once every 133 cycles.....
But what happens at these nodes is that the amplitudes of the signals are increased, not just for one, but both or all of the combining signals.
This is not just an additive quantity, but can be exponential at reoccurring intervals.

you notice the difference when you are operating in a resonant mode, because the coil and the inductor will "ring" at these resonant frequencies.
increase in amplitude. voltage /or current spikes depending on the situation. In electronics we generally treat this as a problem.
it blows out capacitors, burns resistors and diodes, fries traces on our circuit boards..
There are MANY MANY solutions to these problems. Look at the base of a radio broadcast antanae, theres a million dollar "solution" right there at the bottom.

If a resonant frequency is in the audible spectrum, you may actually hear an increase in the sound coming out of the inductor.
if you scope it, you see an increase in amplitudes

Here's your first piece of "garbage" for the day.

Take an inductor of your choice, and look at the manufacturers data sheet, find the self-resonant frequency
and engineer two coils around it to a coherent frequency of that.

Then send the self-resonant frequency though one of the coils, using a signal generator
 and take a scope image of the other.
Now compare this image to that of other frequencies NOT in the self-resonant mode.

Now you have a visual representation of the inductive losses that are present in ALL operating modes outside the resonance of the circuit. (end of Smoky's comment) See the link above for another explanation he also offered.

This can not be that difficult for some of you who have the knowledge of the formulas and the test equipment in your labs.

I suspect that Floyd Sweet's transformer developed a short in one of the windings, or perhaps even two of them, which provided the ideal conditions for self oscillation and free energy. Just the right amount of inductance / reactance that created a sweet spot.

Try to grasp the fact that we have always produced free energy from magnetic fields. The torque supplied to the shaft of the generator is not the energy, or the electromotive force that comes out of the generator. The supplied magnetic field, be it permanent or electromagnetic, provides the electrons that are induced to flow in the output coils. The torque that is supplied to the shaft, is consumed or used up by, the fight between the supplied field and the induced field through the effects of Lenz's law, back EMF. It may be just a matter of dumping the collapsing field into the right capacitor and properly tuned coils.

I do not have the technical/mathematical background to do the computations/measurements and the experiments, but I do grasp the fact that this should not be that hard for some of you to figure out. And if you do figure it out, please share it here immediately, time is short and the world is falling apart.

Any transformer should suffice. It's a matter of coming up with the right capacitance to match just the right amount of inductance and reactance..... Steven Mark's commented somewhere after he had sold out... that their experiments with rare earth magnets were resulting in extremely high outputs. Probably just a primary and a secondary with the right amount of turns and wire gauges to compliment one another, and then the right capacitor to keep it going.

I expect that Floyd Sweet witnessed the phenomena on a 400 or 600 Volt step down power transformer.





 

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 15, 2016, 05:22:37 PM
The torque supplied to the shaft of the generator is not the energy, or the electromotive force that comes out of the generator.
Yes this may be right, partly right that is, but there is Lenz law. Unless you overcome that, there is no use of any additional effects you may create.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 15, 2016, 05:44:53 PM
Yes this may be right, partly right that is, but there is Lenz law. Unless you overcome that, there is no use of any additional effects you may create.

Back EMF was not a problem for Sweet's permanent magnet device or for the transformer that kept oscillating after he pulled the disconnect.  Back EMF was not a problem in Steven Mark's TPU's... The Kapandaze devices overcome back EMF, all be it at a much higher frequencies.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: avalon on January 16, 2016, 12:04:02 AM
Have a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j5se4LZigM

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 16, 2016, 12:19:26 AM
Have a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j5se4LZigM

Congratulations Avalon... it appears as though you have done it! Have looked up your other videos and see you have some background in this... A hearty congratulations and big thanks to Smoky2 for the inspiration of this build.

Nice name Avolon....  ferroresonance

Can someone else now figure this out who would be willing to share?

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Dog-One on January 16, 2016, 01:28:55 AM
Have a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j5se4LZigM

Yes Avalon, good job!

Do you use any limiters to prevent a runaway condition or does your device stabilize itself?

Watching your other video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYLVyswgeQ

It sure looks a lot like what Akula was demonstrating too.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 16, 2016, 03:12:34 PM
Ok, what frequency, what transformer? Unless all information is provided, and the experiment is not repeatable, it has no value.

I think resonance in the magnetic core providing overunity, is a possibility, no need to convince me in this. I were happy to repeat this experiment, if i could obtain the right transformer, use the right frequency, and whatever else is necessary, but i cannot as long as i don't know. Theoretically deriving it requires too complex mathematics i think, calculating all the movement of the dipoles, and forces between them.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Paul-R on January 16, 2016, 03:22:21 PM
... the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge due to effects of resonance. A gust of wind caused it to begin to oscillate and it picked up momentum until it broke. Free energy from resonance.
I don't think this is true.

The energy comes from the kinetic energy of the wind. The reason why the bridge broke is because it was, indeed, a tuned mechanical tank circuit, and as a result, a very high proportion of the energy available was focussed on the bridge, which could not cope.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 16, 2016, 04:17:36 PM
I don't think this is true.

The energy comes from the kinetic energy of the wind. The reason why the bridge broke is because it was, indeed, a tuned mechanical tank circuit, and as a result, a very high proportion of the energy available was focussed on the bridge, which could not cope.

Your explanation is like, there is some kind of possibility, so i stick to that. But the bridge is not a tank circuit, it has plenty of force to hold it in place. So such extensive swinging takes a lot of power all the time, may well be much more than the wind can provide.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Paul-R on January 16, 2016, 05:08:35 PM
But the bridge is not a tank circuit, it has plenty of force to hold it in place. So such extensive swinging takes a lot of power all the time, may well be much more than the wind can provide.
No, I thibnk you are wrong here.

The bridge alone is not a tank circuit but the bridge + oscillating wind is a tank circuit.

If the natural frequency of oscillation of the bridge = frequency of oscillation of the gusting wind, then you have resonance.

The rate at which energy is potentially available ( = power) in the flow of gusting wind is huge.

Reminiscent of Tesla's earthquake machine and his method of splitting the earth into two halves.

Where is TK when you want him?
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: e2matrix on January 16, 2016, 05:46:38 PM
Have a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j5se4LZigM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j5se4LZigM)


Why not show what's in the box??   Interesting that the next video that comes up with your name is "Ten ways to Prank".   I can think of an easy way to do exactly what you have shown with a 120v relay, an inverter and battery in the box.   If you really have something of interest lets have some details of the circuit.   
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 16, 2016, 06:56:12 PM
Avalon, I believe the Part 2 video you have planned will be to eliminate the house current you have used to provide the 60 cycle to the transformer. Is this correct?

Avalon I appeal to you to immediately release the info on the transformer you have built so that people can begin building this all over the world. Great destruction and chaos is about to hit the earth and these power systems are needed quickly.

If you want to make money off of what God has quickened you to understand, why don't you start building devices for others. There will soon be a global economic collapse anyway, and a patent is going to be of no use to you, nor will money. The NWO will soon bring in the mark of the beast.

Avalon please do the right thing... perhaps God will bless you and help you make it through the Great Tribulation that is now upon us all. Fortune and Fame will not be able to do a thing for you....

Please also know that the powers that be monitor this forum and others... it is not a problem for them to find you and quickly put an end to your plans.

Please see http://revelation12.ca (http://revelation12.ca) we do not have much time left.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 16, 2016, 07:17:55 PM
No, I thibnk you are wrong here.

The bridge alone is not a tank circuit but the bridge + oscillating wind is a tank circuit.

If the natural frequency of oscillation of the bridge = frequency of oscillation of the gusting wind, then you have resonance.

The rate at which energy is potentially available ( = power) in the flow of gusting wind is huge.

Reminiscent of Tesla's earthquake machine and his method of splitting the earth into two halves.

Where is TK when you want him?

Let's try this again, because apparently some of you still don't get it...

Go pick up a wind instrument, like a flute or recorder, something with a wooden reed.
and Blow into it.
now depending on the length of the tube, and which holes you plug into, the tube will resonate at specific frequencies.

But what happens to the Reed??
the reed is always the same length
it always resonates at the same frequency, which gives the instrument its' particular "tone".

now, if you blow erratically, pulse your breath, etc. speed up, slow down...
you may have some effects on the vibration, but not its frequency...
all it takes is tiny impulses, at just the right moments, or steady winds for a long enough period of time.
and the resonations will build up stronger and stronger with each oscillation.

It's exactly the same thing that happens up a radio tower when we try to broadcast.
The tower can actually blow itself up, were we not to use expensive energy wasting equipment to prevent this from happening.

We now do a similar thing to the Bridge, by adding wind-disruptors on the under-side.

Think of tapping on a flywheel, tiny taps, tiny taps,.. over time the flywheel will have a great momentum, much more than the addition of the taps. Some mistake this as "OU", but momentum is not energy, as many find out when they try to do something with it.

Nor is the waveform built-up in the bridge, simply a matter of energy from the wind.

think: length of bridge, wind speed, angle of wind.

you can do it with a blade of grass to your lips.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: avalon on January 16, 2016, 08:06:12 PM


I am building a few different new devices. The one in the video is only capable of 250W max. A smaller (and very compact) 50W device and a larger 2kW+ one. A full-blown stand-alone generator unit is in the pipeline as well. I am planning to show the guts in one of the follow up videos.

Now then, back to your appeal. Get a grip, man. I posted one small video on YouTube and you are ready to pin world's problems on me.
I am not going to release anything until I can demonstrate and prove definitively the source of energy. It is unlikely to happen soon. Releasing an unfinished product is counter-productive and not going to help at all. They say that even 9 pregnant women can't give a birth to a child in 1 month. I tend to agree and so will just carry on.

Finally, for the record:

1/ it's not a fake. I am not hiding any batteries etc.
2/ At this stage I am not making any claims regarding the source of energy.
3/ I am not going to be involved in further discussions regarding the release of the device or its design.

~A
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Dog-One on January 16, 2016, 08:15:08 PM
Thank you for update Avalon.

Looking forward to part 2.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 16, 2016, 08:58:54 PM
Get a grip, man. I posted one small video on YouTube and you are ready to pin world's problems on me.

~A

I have a grip Avalon...and I am being honest.  You are the one who is being less than honest here. You didn't just post a small video on YouTube... that is a misleading statement that sounds a lot like a lie to me.. You posted, and have clearly represented, and now confirmed as well, that you built a free energy device. You ran it through a watt meter to prove just that. So please do not justify your selfishness and lack of concern for the rest of the world by trying to make me look like a jerk.

Did the selfless efforts of Smoky2 to explain the fundamentals of resonance to you, cause the 'lights to come on' or not? I think we all know the answer to that. You haven't posted one of your high frequency resonance experiments on YouTube for a year now, and now all of a sudden you have 60 HZ device putting out wattage big time.


Surely some else on here can figure this out and share the results!
It has to be a simple device to build if you understand transformer dynamics and all of the requisite formulas. Avalon put this together overnight, it is just a simple transformer with a primary, a secondary, and capacitance, tuned to produce resonance. It is Steven Mark's device, that is all he did. It is Floyd Sweet's self oscillating power transformer. Avalon has just proved this is not rocket science, and that it can be put together quickly. That is why he hid it in a box, anyone with a bit of transformer savvy can put it together! This is why he is building a bigger one, it is easy to do and it works flawlessly, unlike most other devices that have a lot of quirks... Kapandaze for one... and the big bonus is as well, we know it is 60 HZ!
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 16, 2016, 09:11:42 PM
Thank you for update Avalon.

Looking forward to part 2.

Don't bother Dog, it will the same box and transformer with a battery powered oscillator, The extension cord will be gone. He is not going to reveal anything. Why did he even bother with the first one?
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 16, 2016, 09:49:53 PM
Please see http://revelation12.ca (http://revelation12.ca) we do not have much time left.

I tell you, the world will not end. Don't rely on god on that, it depends on people. This is the most horrible distraction that enables whatever to happen.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 16, 2016, 10:01:47 PM
Releasing an unfinished product is counter-productive and not going to help at all.

This is not a right logic. We do research, so right is to publish the result whenever there are results and whatever the results are. This is not about making products as i understand it, it is about research.

But of course i know, people will not understand, and will not appreciate. Like i put the information here about how the mosfet leaks. Information which were not anywhere then, at least i couldn't find. I'm sure it helped some people to avoid the caveat of something looking like overunity, but what really is only a mosfet leaking. I think it is equally important as any experiments in overunity, but people don't appreciate.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 16, 2016, 10:07:01 PM
I tell you, the world will not end. Don't rely on god on that, it depends on people. This is the most horrible distraction that enables whatever to happen.

I do rely on God, His word has not failed. He foretold in the old testament, with great precision, all of the events that are recorded in the New Testament. There is not a doubt in my mind that what He told John in Book of Revelation is about to be fulfilled with great precision as well.  So yes the world is about to end for a lot of people. And to the rest of the folks it is going to seem like the end of the world. And this is just the beginning of the seven years of horrific events. 

Are you aware that most of the brightest minds in the financial world today who run billion dollar funds are expecting a financial collapse at any time now? A collapse will result in all hell breaking loose as people kill one another to take their food. Those who rely on God are about to blessed and brought through the tribulation, those who rely on money, are in big trouble. The Satanic New World Order is about to bring in the mark of the beast and those who take it in order to buy and sell, are going to have fall down to worship the beast. Those who do so are going to lose their souls.

http://kingworldnews.com (http://kingworldnews.com)





Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 16, 2016, 11:20:26 PM
There is not a doubt in my mind that what He told John in Book of Revelation is about to be fulfilled with great precision as well.

Ok, even if you believe so, then when do you think all that will happen, now or after a hundred years, or even after a thousand years? What if someone fakes that before, making a signs like are written in that book? Deceiving all the believers, and making them to expect something which will not happen. Isn't that a good opportunity to take control of people? Aren't there any warnings in that book that something like that may happen? I have seen things happening that well match the things written that book, but this does not convince me, as i well see that these things were made by people, and that they match what was written in that book, could well be intentional. Like these signs in the sky shown in the site you referred to, what if it is a project blue beam, they can make such things in the sky, with the current technology. If you believe in something and don't think yourself, you are blind, remember that.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 16, 2016, 11:26:49 PM
Ok, even if you believe so, then when do you think all that will happen,

It is about to begin my friend... get ready!
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 16, 2016, 11:30:12 PM
"Releasing an unfinished product is counter-productive and not going to help at all."

Aye Aye... Avalon put it in a box so that no one could see the simplicity of it and build it themselves. It was not at all because it would be counter productive to release an unfinished product. The product was finished and operating quite nicely. 

It would in fact be very productive if we could all build one and help one another out. Very productive indeed, for all of us, and immediately so. This is not rocket science, it is a simple transformer. Probably an 'off of the shelf' model.

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 16, 2016, 11:47:45 PM
It is about to begin my friend... get ready!

What i hope is that people like you finally open their eyes. Then the things will happen, to the better. I don't believe that any Yehoshua will come. I have no reason to think so, and what i have no reason to think, i don't believe. You have a good brain in your head, make it to work, and you will see how the things really are. I warn you they are worse than you think, and you have less hope than you ever thought you have.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Magluvin on January 16, 2016, 11:56:58 PM
"Releasing an unfinished product is counter-productive and not going to help at all."

Aye Aye... Avalon put it in a box so that no one could see the simplicity of it and build it themselves. It was not at all because it would be counter productive to release an unfinished product. The product was finished and operating quite nicely. 

It would in fact be very productive if we could all build one and help one another out. Very productive indeed, for all of us, and immediately so. This is not rocket science, it is a simple transformer. Probably an 'off of the shelf' model.

Tesla was asked if he thought the world was ready for free energy. Back then he said, there is no better time than now...... ;)

Mags
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ARMCORTEX on January 17, 2016, 12:22:47 AM
Interesting stuff avalon.

Its too bad I only have this old scope and already spent my months hobby money on a j-link, Im gonna have to get one of those more modern scopes, I was waiting for a good reason.

Its also too bad I never payed attention to this particular build you were working on,

You cleverly assimilated the bits and pieces of clues available to you and built the actual device, due to your high work ethics and commitment, so you are very intelligent.

Thank you also, for pointing out a legitimate effect, a corner that is not a dead end? Could this be?

Is there any particular poster that were very inspiring and relevant that you can tell me?

Do speak in general terms, what exact goal ere you trying to get with that core?

Your oscillator does what exactly? In general, to your core


If it were up to you to leave trace of how you came to the conclusion you made, please let it be you and not somebody else who will just spew utter bullshit as you fade away.



Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 17, 2016, 02:43:22 AM
What i hope is that people like you finally open their eyes. Then the things will happen, to the better. I don't believe that any Yehoshua will come. I have no reason to think so, and what i have no reason to think, i don't believe. You have a good brain in your head, make it to work, and you will see how the things really are. I warn you they are worse than you think, and you have less hope than you ever thought you have.

You contradict your first statement with your last statement..... here is one from the Lord Aye, Aye... He has proven that His word is law... it will be fulfilled. I point it out to you, as you do not believe Him or His word.

Rev 21; 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 17, 2016, 03:28:51 AM
Avalon is back with a new video to prove that he is not cheating through the watt meter. You can hear the hum of the capacitor assisted transformer quite nicely in this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVmhahIg_4E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVmhahIg_4E)

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 17, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
I am building a few different new devices.

The one in the video is only capable of 250W max. (because it is a 250 watt transformer assisted by a capacitor)

A smaller (and very compact) 50W device (a 50 watt transformer assisted by a capacitor)

and a larger 2kW+ one. (a 2.5 or 3 KW step down transformer assisted by a capacitor/s)

A full-blown stand-alone generator unit is in the pipeline as well. I am planning to show the guts in one of the follow up videos.

Now then, back to your appeal. Get a grip, man. I posted one small video on YouTube and you are ready to pin world's problems on me.

I am not going to release anything until I can demonstrate and prove definitively the source of energy. It is unlikely to happen soon. Releasing an unfinished product is counter-productive and not going to help at all. They say that even 9 pregnant women can't give a birth to a child in 1 month. I tend to agree and so will just carry on.

Finally, for the record:

1/ it's not a fake. I am not hiding any batteries etc.
2/ At this stage I am not making any claims regarding the source of energy.
3/ I am not going to be involved in further discussions regarding the release of the device or its design.

~A

Can some one else please step up to the plate who can grasp this concept? It should not be too difficult for someone who understands inductance, reactance and capacitance formulas. It is just a transformer assisted by a capacitor, or maybe two. The free electromagnetic energy is coming from out of 'thin air', just like it always has. To quote Tesla, "I don't know where it comes from, but I am glad it is there"

Just..Sayin..
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 17, 2016, 06:39:09 AM
Rev 21; 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:

So someone controls you with fear. And you know where this lake is? It is here, on earth, right now.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 17, 2016, 08:10:13 AM
if he is resonating at 60Hz, I have to assume the entire circuit is not at resonance.
they may all be operating at 60Hz, but a coil with a 60Hz self-resonant frequency...
would be a copper wire something like 5 million meters long......

If it is in resonance, its hitting on a node, not the full wavelength

in a truly resonant circuit, all components, coil(s), inductor(s), capacitor(s),
are designed to be self-resonant at the operating frequency.

This is a good read, not all of the information here is applicable to us,
as this was written for radio-builders,
but if you want to understand how resonance affects your circuit,
This will give you everything you need to know. Also there is reference to a useful piece of software.
http://www.robkalmeijer.nl/techniek/electronica/radiotechniek/hambladen/qex/2001/09_10/page33/index.html (http://www.robkalmeijer.nl/techniek/electronica/radiotechniek/hambladen/qex/2001/09_10/page33/index.html)
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 17, 2016, 03:02:17 PM
I think it is worth repeating, to keep would be experimenters encouraged, Floyd Sweet's first self oscillating transformer resonated at 60 cycle, Steven Mark's transformer resonated at low frequency which must have been in the neighborhood as he ran a drill... and resonance surely has to be the prime component of the Kapandaze device that draws electrons out of the earth.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 17, 2016, 05:08:15 PM
What i think. Resonance in the core should not depend on the dimensions or shape of the core, only the magnetic material of the core. And it should not depend on the resonance of the coil or any external components. It should be some frequency, and multitudes of that frequency. The signal should most likely be sine. It can be though that some higher harmonics of the signal cause resonance. All i can think, it should be some very exact frequency, somehow related to some properties of the atoms. At that, this frequency may slightly vary even in the cores of the same type, due to slight differences of the magnetic material. It cannot be 60 Hz, as then it did appear in most transformers in everyday use. I think it should be much higher. At 60 Hz, it may be caused by some harmonics. This is likely not the same as the resonance of a coil or a capacitor, and has nothing to do with it. The only way i think to find that frequency, is to smoothly increase the frequency, but then the approximate range should be known. All i can think.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 17, 2016, 06:24:40 PM
I just ran into an interview with Jack Durban re the Steven Marks device that I never knew existed. I just excerpted the follwoing from the interview and post here for the benefit of those who have not heard it. Jack worked with Steven Marks early on in the project and visited with him approximately ten times at the mansion Steven was working out of. At this period in time Steven was not yet successful in powering inductive loads such as motors and is the time when Durban parted company with him. But did power inductive loads shortly after.

One of the first things Jack makes clear is that the torroidal design had absolutely nothing to do with the function of the device. He also says it was not Steven's design and that it reminded him of an early Tesla patent. Durban was a Tesla fan.
"I was part of the family and he was even careful with me, because I think, that he could tell that if I had just had enough time with the unit and could take it apart or help him build one, that I would discover just how simple the technology really was.

Most everything in the device was purchased at Radio Shack. A Reed switch, a magnet and a couple of other components. There was a large polypropolene Cap and a choke that were sitting on top of the large 15 inch diameter unit. It is not a very complicated device, it is just very  complicated to get working properly. The winding of the unit was very laborious... output levels could be changed based on ratios and things like that... a very elemental, fundamental device, not very sophisticated... just unstable and difficult to tame... he was not a very intelligent guy... I see the deification all over the internet, but this is not the kinda guy that invented this device, he came across it somehow and tried to make it work as a tinkerer... Steven was very paranoid as this device was not that difficult to figure out.... he did not want anyone looking over his shoulder or he would become instantly obsolete... this guy was not a technical person, just a tinkerer... that also goes to the simplicity of this device... Question... how did he cloak it so that people couldn't tell what he was doing? I am glad you asked... one of the tricks that he employed that I thought was rather amusing, was using a magnet to drop into a little receptacle that would cause the device to come to life, and all that was was a reed switch that was inside the receptacle.... he went to a lot of lengths to wrap the coils with electrical tape... the unit I was most familiar with was the large unit... it was not that complicated... you would think that there was mosfets and all kind of triggering relays, but there is none, there is no solid state technology.... I do not think that Steven knew which end of a diode to use where...
 
The full interview...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuhI03ZMR8  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuhI03ZMR8)
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 18, 2016, 07:10:52 AM
What i think. Resonance in the core should not depend on the dimensions or shape of the core, only the magnetic material of the core.
Not correct.  The material properties DO play an important role, a coefficient of the specific material is part of the equation.
but the physical Dimensions are precisely what determine the resonant frequency of the core.
If you are using a manufactured core, the self-resonant frequency is provided by the manufacturer.


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And it should not depend on the resonance of the coil or any external components.
Not correct. The self resonant frequency of the coil SHOULD be the same frequency (ideal), or a multiple or divisor thereof.

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It should be some frequency, and multitudes of that frequency. The signal should most likely be sine.
Yes, exactly.   And, not always Sine, though in a "round" wound coil, it is often the case, but only when every component is operating at a resonant node, with respect to the system as a whole.

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It can be though that some higher harmonics of the signal cause resonance. All i can think, it should be some very exact frequency, somehow related to some properties of the atoms. At that, this frequency may slightly vary even in the cores of the same type, due to slight differences of the magnetic material. It cannot be 60 Hz, as then it did appear in most transformers in everyday use. I think it should be much higher. At 60 Hz, it may be caused by some harmonics. This is likely not the same as the resonance of a coil or a capacitor, and has nothing to do with it. The only way i think to find that frequency, is to smoothly increase the frequency, but then the approximate range should be known. All i can think.

or one could use the manufacturers specs for the inductive core (or available data for air cores),
then calculate the dimensions, thickness, length,etc, # of turns, diameter, and everything
for a coil that is self-resonant at that frequency.

If you cannot physically create a coil to match the self-resonant frequency of the inductor,.....
  Then a coil tuned to a lower octave of this frequency will be self-resonant with the core, at that node.

Steven Marks talked about this extensively.

 and you are right, the torroid shape has nothing to do with the effect.
a "TPU" could be build using a cylindrical inductor or any other type.
though you may have to call it a "CPU"  :)

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 18, 2016, 07:24:41 AM
a wise man once said to me:

" If your message isn't being received, in the way you intended,
Try saying it a different way"

and so, this is my attempt at doing so........

At the self-resonant frequency (for both inductor and coil):

The reluctance of the inductor (resistance to change in flux) approaches 0
The inductor behaves like a pure capacitor.

The Coil has a capacitance, and at self-resonance, this capacitance takes on a purely inductive state.
  (a capacitor does this too, but the explanation is a bit more complex.)

When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.

meaning there are no losses in the system, it can continue to resonate indefinitely, or until the physical components dissipate all of the energy due to heat.

An inductive coupling to this self resonant circuit (but not electrically connected), can draw power off of the changes in the electromagnetic field, without affecting the oscillations of the system.

Power that can be fed back in periodically to offset the heat losses.

Tesla called this "energy" some kind of Cosmic Waves, he theorized were everywhere...

The way I see it, it is a perfectly normal behavior of electrical circuits, when used in a perfectly abnormal manner.
In fact, this is exactly how they tell us NOT to use our components...
(I wonder why that is......)
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Reiyuki on January 18, 2016, 07:38:22 AM
In your opinion, are the resonant frequencies on the coils we wind or on the core itself?

In other words, does the core have a self-resonant frequency if there were no coils on it? irrespective to the coils it has on it?     If I have a generic ferrite toroid with no windings, does it have a self-resonant frequency, or that dependant on how I wind coils around it?


a wise man once said to me:

" If your message isn't being received, in the way you intended,
Try saying it a different way"

and so, this is my attempt at doing so........

At the self-resonant frequency (for both inductor and coil):

The reluctance of the inductor (resistance to change in flux) approaches 0
The inductor behaves like a pure capacitor.

The Coil has a capacitance, and at self-resonance, this capacitance takes on a purely inductive state.
  (a capacitor does this too, but the explanation is a bit more complex.)

When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.

meaning there are no losses in the system, it can continue to resonate indefinitely, or until the physical components dissipate all of the energy due to heat.

An inductive coupling to this self resonant circuit (but not electrically connected), can draw power off of the changes in the electromagnetic field, without affecting the oscillations of the system.

Power that can be fed back in periodically to offset the heat losses.

Tesla called this "energy" some kind of Cosmic Waves, he theorized were everywhere...

The way I see it, it is a perfectly normal behavior of electrical circuits, when used in a perfectly abnormal manner.
In fact, this is exactly how they tell us NOT to use our components...
(I wonder why that is......)
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 18, 2016, 09:55:36 AM
 and you are right, the torroid shape has nothing to do with the effect.
a "TPU" could be build using a cylindrical inductor or any other type.
though you may have to call it a "CPU"

It will be interesting to see the type of core that Avalon is using, if he displays it.. .UPDATE
Avalon now reports on the other thread that his device does not work... see the thread for the details..


When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.

This must be what happened then with the transformer that kept running after Sweet turned it off. One of the windings simply shorted (at a favorable location) and the winding then became a capacitor.... This device was obviously operating at 60 HZ as is Avalon's... THE RESONANT FREQUENCY OF THE CORE MATERIAL THEREFORE DOES NOT MATTER... while it may be an important factor when designing/operating broadcasting equipment, I do not think it is that important to get one of these devices working properly. If it was, Steven Marks would not have had much success, as he had no technical background in these matters.

(I thought I heard Jack Durban say in the interview that there was no ferrous core in the larger Steve Marks device, I could be wrong about that. Mark's also worked with numerous cores and he seemed to be able to get any one of them working, so once again I do not think the resonant frequency of the core is a concern)
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 18, 2016, 11:00:11 AM
This post was in error...


Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 18, 2016, 04:16:42 PM
Thank you sm0ky2, this sounds credible. I understand now why coil, why capacitor, and why transformer. Transformer is to get energy from the oscillation, so not sure whether the resonance of the core even matters, the resonance of the coil and the capacitor does.

Thus the overunity there is not caused by the resonance, but by no Lenz effect when the coil turns into capacitor, how can Lenz effect affect back a capacitance. Resonance of the coil and the capacitor is necessary to make this preventing the Lenz effect possible.

But it is something where everything has to fit together, the capacitor, the coil, the frequency, and maybe even the core. Thus it is very difficult to make, but as all the parameters as you say can be found from the specifications, then it should be at least possible.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 18, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
Thank you sm0ky2, this sounds credible. I understand now why coil, why capacitor, and why transformer. Transformer is to get energy from the oscillation, so not sure whether the resonance of the core even matters, the resonance of the coil and the capacitor does.



I agree with you fully... I do not believe the given resonant frequency of the core matters..... I believe the core will fall in step and work with the coils at any frequency.... that is my opinion.

Aye Aye, do you think you can construct a working device now?

Jack Durban on Steve Marks device... It is not a very complicated device, it is just very  complicated to get working properly. (two coils, a capacitor, and a 60HZ oscillator to set things in motion?)
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: ayeaye on January 18, 2016, 07:10:58 PM
Aye Aye, do you think you can construct a working device now?

It is very difficult to make, as everything has to fit together. It may not so difficult to stumble upon, though. I think i don't have the resources advanced enough to make it now. I may repeat it when someone else makes it, when it can be done with what i have.

I am mostly here to do the thinking. It is a general way of thinking that i have, and i just apply that where i can. Sometimes i make mistakes, then i learn from the mistakes i made. I do experiments, in that, i'm not a kind of person who thinks that someone else has to do it for me. But this is not the most important for me, i'm the most interested in theory. This research, is a way for us to study nature, just like Faraday did. And i don't make assumptions, like there is or is not overunity, this i think is the only way to study.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Bob Smith on January 18, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
a wise man once said to me:

" If your message isn't being received, in the way you intended,
Try saying it a different way"

and so, this is my attempt at doing so........

At the self-resonant frequency (for both inductor and coil):

The reluctance of the inductor (resistance to change in flux) approaches 0
The inductor behaves like a pure capacitor.


The Coil has a capacitance, and at self-resonance, this capacitance takes on a purely inductive state.
  (a capacitor does this too, but the explanation is a bit more complex.)

When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.

meaning there are no losses in the system, it can continue to resonate indefinitely, or until the physical components dissipate all of the energy due to heat.

An inductive coupling to this self resonant circuit (but not electrically connected), can draw power off of the changes in the electromagnetic field, without affecting the oscillations of the system.

Power that can be fed back in periodically to offset the heat losses.

Tesla called this "energy" some kind of Cosmic Waves, he theorized were everywhere...

The way I see it, it is a perfectly normal behavior of electrical circuits, when used in a perfectly abnormal manner.
In fact, this is exactly how they tell us NOT to use our components...
(I wonder why that is......)
Indeed, I wonder why....  :)  There is energy out there to be harnessed and used. The loop antenna crystal radio as an analogous concept can teach us a few things. If we can get a ringing pulse in a resonant tank and sustain it with cosmic energy, then harness it from a pickup coil that won't affect the ringing, we have an ongoing source of charge, do we not?
Bob
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 18, 2016, 11:01:15 PM
It is very difficult to make, as everything has to fit together. It may not so difficult to stumble upon, though. I think i don't have the resources advanced enough to make it now. I may repeat it when someone else makes it, when it can be done with what i have.

I am mostly here to do the thinking. It is a general way of thinking that i have, and i just apply that where i can. Sometimes i make mistakes, then i learn from the mistakes i made. I do experiments, in that, i'm not a kind of person who thinks that someone else has to do it for me. But this is not the most important for me, i'm the most interested in theory. This research, is a way for us to study nature, just like Faraday did. And i don't make assumptions, like there is or is not overunity, this i think is the only way to study.

Thanks for taking the time to explain...
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 20, 2016, 02:19:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw_cUEyBDY


I have a new configuration of the pancake coil, i hope is useful for you...!
My new pancake coil consist in 24 pancake coils divided in four groups with six coils each one, they are connected in series, and i HAVE INSIDE OF EACH COIL, 24 METALLIC CONDUCTORS with the configuration of "capacitor" my PANCAKE COIL IS "A TRNASFORMER" AND AT THE SAME TIME IS "A CAPACITOR", my theory is that the EDDY CURRENTS they are attracted by the 24 METALLIC INDUCTORS allowing better efficience in the engines, with less eddy currents that was eliminated in a lager percentage, by the 24 metallic inductors...!
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Dog-One on January 20, 2016, 03:28:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw_cUEyBDY

I have a new configuration of the pancake coil, i hope is useful for you...!
My new pancake coil consist in 24 pancake coils divided in four groups with six coils each one, they are connected in series, and i HAVE INSIDE OF EACH COIL, 24 METALLIC CONDUCTORS with the configuration of "capacitor" my PANCAKE COIL IS "A TRNASFORMER" AND AT THE SAME TIME IS "A CAPACITOR", my theory is that the EDDY CURRENTS they are attracted by the 24 METALLIC INDUCTORS allowing better efficience in the engines, with less eddy currents that was eliminated in a lager percentage, by the 24 metallic inductors...!

Very nice build skycollection!

By chance did you wind each pancake coil bifilar?

It's my belief that if someone happens to find the correct geometry, the device will be able to power itself.  Erfinder has made great strides in this area and your device looks very promising as well.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 20, 2016, 03:37:13 PM
I have a video in wich you can make  "bifilar pancake coils" but in my new pancake coil i used single wire because is not neccesary to make bifilar pancake coils, single pancake coil wire works very well...!
This experiment it was my first test run, i hope soon to make more experiments with 6 volts and 12 volts, i think if the device works in the same conditions of the supercapacitor with only 2.5 volts, will be great, but more voltage......more eddy currents....!!! waht do you think....???
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Thphan75 on January 21, 2016, 07:46:43 PM

Why not show what's in the box??   Interesting that the next video that comes up with your name is "Ten ways to Prank".   I can think of an easy way to do exactly what you have shown with a 120v relay, an inverter and battery in the box.   If you really have something of interest lets have some details of the circuit.

Here's what I think is in the box.  A power ups with an output that goes to the light while the other end is nothing more than a dummy line to show source.  As you can see, when plugged in and the light turned on, there's no pull on electricity, exactly like how when there's nothing connected.  Also, note how he never pulls the source supply out while having the light connected, if he did, it'll prove that it's not using any source but the source of the battery in the ups hidden inside the container.  This is so easy anyone can do it.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 21, 2016, 08:33:47 PM
In your opinion, are the resonant frequencies on the coils we wind or on the core itself?

In other words, does the core have a self-resonant frequency if there were no coils on it? irrespective to the coils it has on it?     If I have a generic ferrite toroid with no windings, does it have a self-resonant frequency, or that dependant on how I wind coils around it?

Yes. If you are using a semi-conductor grade core: This information is available from the manufacturer of the Core.
This should be your first step, then design the coil around that. Also, the capacitor's SRF should be the same.


That is the ideal case,.
 in practicality, we would choose an operating frequency that is resonant at a coherent node with all of the SRF's of the components involved.

[Bear in mind, modern core materials are self-resonant at very high frequencies]
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 22, 2016, 05:17:45 AM
I have to tell you that i don´t speak english, i am learning, and i have to tell you that i never studied electronics, i am learnig, and sometimes is difficult to me understand the concepts of the electronics, anyway
i am trying to make something different, my pancake coil have air core, but the magnetic field produced is very strong, i can move a heavy big magnets with very low voltage, tonight i did other experiment with 12 volts and i connect the pancake coil to a bedini circuit, the result was the same, NO DRAG, NO BRAKE, MORE ACCELERATION, MORE POWER OUT, AND I USED RESISTIVE LOADS, i used a car bulb of 12 volts 6 watts, i have acceleration in the rotor, the pancake coil have low  lenz resistance...! I think is working the internal capacitor, every pancake coil have a metallic aluminum inductor. my theory is tha the pancake coil eliminate a larger percentage of the eddy currents, not 100 % this is impossible, but any percentage eliminated is important...!
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 22, 2016, 06:15:19 AM
If you think of resonant nodes in terms of octaves, or multiples/divisors of a given frequency.....
we can treat this kind of like the lower-common-denominator in division problems.

We look for a resonant node that is common to all the components. (core, coil, caps)
Essentially:  the lowest common resonant node.
At this frequency, the entire system will be resonant with the SRFs of each component.
a node that hits on a 1/4 wave might be a good place to start.....

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: scratchrobot on January 22, 2016, 05:44:50 PM
This does it for me... I'm gonna remove my account from this website.


I get it now... if people can belief in God they can also belief in anything like this bullshit  :-[


You people are so stupid! :o


Bye

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 22, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
When we send electricity (electrons) through a wire, they impact one another, releasing more electrons, that cascade down the length of the conductor.
in a small amount, and at low frequencies, they lose energy due to impacts, and the energy dissipates, in fact we can send a pulse of given electricity
through a wire of length X, where X = the distance where all of the energy has dissipated.

When there are many electrons, at a high enough frequency, a large number of electrons will impinge on higher energy atoms (or molecules), releasing a larger number of electrons. Up to the point of magnetic saturation of the material, where heat losses begin to increase.

But, at the resonant frequency, at energy levels below the saturation level, the atomic or molecular structure of the conductor can sustain the resonant waveform, and allow energy to build up. this increases the likelihood of an electron to leave orbit and travel along the cascade.
Each iteration of the cycle results in further increasing effects of electron flow.

In a Resonant Electron Cascade: the Factor K is defined as the ratio of the number of electrons produced by one cycle to the number in the preceding cycle.
the energy of these electrons ranges from:
 the at-rest Ev of the outer shell electrons in the conductor material to the peak voltage of the resonant waveform (in Ev/[length/wavelength]) over period T.

Mathematically, the reaction becomes self-sustaining, and the density at which this occurs is called the "Electron Critical Density" (K=1).
 and is different for each conductor.
the conductor itself has its' own features, such as density, shape, purity, etc. that can affect electron flow.
 At electron flow levels below critical density(K<1), the resonant waveform requires energy input to be sustained.
At critical density (K=1), the resonant waveform is sustained, but no excess energy can be drawn without disrupting the waveform.
 At electron flow levels ~at or above critical density(K>1), the resonant waveform amplifies each cycle,
up to a level that is mathematically e^2, after which the amplification scales back down.

Due to the intensities of the Coulomb Barrier increasing with amplitude of the resonant frequency wave, there is no limit to the amount or duration of energy production in this manner. E = mc^2, it would mean a few Oz of copper could power earth for (almost) ever?


Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: scratchrobot on January 23, 2016, 12:18:33 AM
 :o
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 29, 2016, 02:18:44 PM
Metallic aluminum inducers....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E96xiBQUsvg
Really it works ...?
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on January 29, 2016, 03:19:09 PM
Metallic aluminum inducers....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E96xiBQUsvg
Really it works ...?

Yes it really does work Skycollection, congratulations. Can you take more time to describe the coil and alumi9num plate configuration. Very nice build.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: pomodoro on January 29, 2016, 04:35:47 PM
I've been here a while now,  and this skycollection one stinks of BS right from the start.  Why someone would go through all this trouble to waste peoples time is beyond me.  Start replicating guys and hopefully  learn some good lesson in the process. Do everyone else a favor too and report both success (if any) and especially failure, as we all too often make GODs out of dogs by keeping quiet don't we.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 29, 2016, 07:07:52 PM
Yes it really does work Skycollection, congratulations. Can you take more time to describe the coil and alumi9num plate configuration. Very nice build.

that depends on that you consider "works" to mean.

yes, it appears to be generating power, but how much? and how efficiently?
the  builder does not appear to have any form of accurate energy measurements in OR out....

hes not drawing nearly enough power to affectively load the generator, thus "lenz force" or "back EMF" is not detectable using this set-up
he claims to have beaten these forces, when they are too small to have been an (visible) issue to begin with.

very little proof of anything can be seen in this video.
and what is that sound??
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Void on January 29, 2016, 07:47:49 PM
Metallic aluminum inducers....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E96xiBQUsvg
Really it works ...?

Hi Skycollection.  It depends on what you mean by "it works".  :)
It works in the sense that you have an electric motor/generator that turns and generates
some output pulses to the output LEDs. Beyond that you of course can't draw any other conclusions.

People can speculate all they want about some particular device or setup possibly producing over unity,
but such speculation says nothing at all about whether any given setup really produces over unity or not.

IMO, there are only two practical and realistic approaches to use determine if any particular setup is producing over unity or not:

1) Using proper measuring equipment and a proper setup, do all the necessary measurements to accurately measure the input and output power of the setup.
This can be quite tricky to do with circuits which make use of pulse waveforms, or complex AC or pulsating DC waveforms in general.
This approach is not advisable for anyone who does not have a sound background in electronics and related, and who does not fully understands all the
ins and outs of making proper measurements on complex waveforms.
In general it is fairly easy to overlook things or otherwise make mistakes of one sort or another when making power measurements
on AC or pulsating DC electric circuits, so even for people who have strong electronics backgrounds, relying solely on their own power measurements on
more complex waveforms to draw definite conclusions about over unity would not be a good idea. Really method #2 below is the best
all around method to use to make sure measurement error of some sort is not a factor.

2) Use some method to capture and store the output power, and route some of this output power back to the input of your setup to make the entire setup self running, 
with no external power source at all.
This is the best and really the only viable approach for people who do not have a really strong understanding of how to do proper power
measurements on circuits with AC or pulsating DC waveforms of any complexity at all.
While this is the best all around method to use to see if there might be an over unity effect in a given setup, even this method is not
completely fool proof. For example, circuits could potentially be receiving power from radio and cell phone transmission towers,
or in some cases even from nearby power wires and nearby powered equipment, etc.  A person would still need to take some steps
to show that they are taking such possibilities into account, and are taking proper steps to rule such things out, where applicable.

The bottom line is that if a person is really truly interested in trying to determine whether any given setup might be showing over unity,
and they want to have any reasonable chance at all of convincing others of this possibility, you need to build a self running circuit configuration.

skycollection, in the case of your circuits with their pulse waveform outputs, if you are serious about trying to determine whether
they might be displaying over unity or not, you should capture the output through fast diodes of a suitable type to storage capacitors, and
then connect the DC output from storage capacitors back to the input to see if you can get the circuit self running.
Before attempting the self looping, you could first just connect a resistive (resistors) load to the DC output of the output storage capacitors
mentioned above, and measure roughly how much power you can supply to a resistive load, to get an idea if any particular setup has anywhere
near the potential for over unity or not.

Using LED lights as a load might be convenient, but this can be very misleading. Modern LEDs can light up quite brightly while consuming only a small amount of
power, and the human eye is not a very good judge of brightness to any reasonable degree of accuracy, so trying to draw conclusions
about output power based on how bright some LEDs or light bulbs appear to the eye is not a good idea at all. 

IMO, the above mentioned points are the very basics that any serious over unity researcher should fully understand... :)

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 29, 2016, 09:36:04 PM
Hello,  indeed IS very difficult to make an accurate measurements of input and output voltage, I really am not saying that this is overunity, my new pancake coil is new and i need more tests and other experiments to determine the efficiency of the generator . I will try to make other tests and i will post on YOUTUBE SOON .... THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTARIES ....!
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 30, 2016, 05:31:05 PM
For all the doubters, this PANCAKE COIL TRANSFORMER AND CAPACITOR it is incredible, " Believe it or not", i don´t have to prove anything because I'm not claiming overunity ...! for me its only a hobby..!
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Dog-One on January 30, 2016, 06:39:30 PM
For all the doubters, this PANCAKE COIL TRANSFORMER AND CAPACITOR it is incredible, " Believe it or not", i don´t have to prove anything because I'm not claiming overunity ...! for me its only a hobby..!

I feel you are very correct in your statement and would never push you beyond your comfort zone.  I am quite impressed with your achievement and fully understand you are doing this as a hobby which I respect.  I have also learned a few things from your videos and want to thank you for posting them.  I hope you will continue do this regardless of what others may throw at you.  If you find yourself looking for a less hostile environment, please PM me, I have a solution for that.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 30, 2016, 07:20:51 PM
I present two images here to give a visualization of the electric and magnetic forces present in this "new coil"

on the left, the way pancake coils generate electricity, when you have a change in flux either towards or away from the center of the coil.
in this case, both are happening as the magnet approaches and leaves the coil.

on the right, is an image of the electric flux lines (90-degrees to the magnetic).
the coil is segregated along each turn, thus the magnetic flux is planar.

the same image on the right, also represents the electric flux lines through the secondary conductor plates.
these are solid metal, and thus the magnetic flux is oriented 90-degrees to the electric, but in the vertical domain.
aligned with the approaching (or departing) magnet.

since the secondary inductors are not electrically connected to the coils, they build an electric capacitance, ("eddy currents"?)
which is partially absorbed by the pancake coil through inductive coupling, the rest is just a charge on the plates which dissipates into the surroundings.  There are little, if any magnetic affects between the pancake coil and the secondary inductor, it is a purely electric effect.
the effects on the rotating magnet are negligible, since the secondary inductors are not part of the electrical circuit, the charges just exist on the surface of the plate and move freely with the magnet. there's no "resistance" to the induction, or lenz forces being generated by the secondary inductor, because the charges aren't going anywhere.

there may be some affect caused by the portion of the electric flux that gets absorbed into the coil. this increases the intensity of the coil's electric field by some calculable amount. which should result in an equally opposing magnetic flux opposite to the approaching magnet.
the magnitude of this may be negligible, but in essence this should act as a "coil booster" technique.
the results of this "new coil" should therefore behave similar to an identical coil with more # of turns and longer wire.
  or an equivalently larger surface area of induction.





Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Void on January 30, 2016, 07:54:57 PM
Hello,  indeed IS very difficult to make an accurate measurements of input and output voltage, I really am not saying that this is overunity, my new pancake coil is new and i need more tests and other experiments to determine the efficiency of the generator . I will try to make other tests and i will post on YOUTUBE SOON .... THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTARIES ....!

Hi Skycollection. Not necessarily always so difficult measuring input and output power. I described in my previous reply
how you could get a fairly reasonable idea of the output power your generator is generating by connecting the output coils
through fast diodes to a storage capacitor, and then adding a resistive load across the storage capacitor(s).
Since the output would then be DC and you would be using a resistive load, this should give you at least a ballpark
idea of the output power capability of the setup using some simple measurements of DC output voltage and current using a multimeter.

Likewise the input power on your setup can be measured with reasonable accuracy by measuring the input voltage and
current with multimeters. This should give you a reasonable ballpark input power measurement.
From those numbers you can get a better idea whether anything unusual may be going on.
What you choose to do is completely up to you, of course. I am just suggesting a possible way that you could
get a better idea whether anything much out of the ordinary is going on in your setup, if that interests you... :)

Regarding whether there is any loading on the electric motor when the LED lights are connected, another possible thing you
could try if you are interested, is to put switches on the wires going to your LED lights, and let the electric motor build up to full speed
first with no loads (LED lights) attached, and once the motor is up to full speed switch on the switches to the LED lights to see if connecting
the loads will load down the motor at all.

You had previously asked about the setup shown in your video, "Really it works ...?".
In the very least you need to first clarify exactly what you mean by "it works", before anyone can reasonably comment much on that particular question... :)
Just giving you some feedback on your video. Again, what you choose to do with any feedback you get is completely up to you... ;)

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 30, 2016, 09:22:28 PM
sm0ky2: I have some years studying the PANCAKE COILS and last month I started studying that are eddy currents, i sow that the direction of this electric currents they are opposite to the magnetic field, and this is the reason of this foucault currents stop the rotor like a brake....!!! The IDEA TO PUT METALIC ALUMINIUM CONDUCERS was for me because i think the metallic conducers stored the eddy currents and changing the direction of the magnetic field, with this never stop the magnet rotor. THE OTHER IDEA WAS STORED THE EDDY CURRENTS IN A CAPACITOR, i sow that the eddy currents they are attracted by a
metallic inductors and that was MY IDEA TO COVER THE PANCAKE COIL WITH ALUMINIUM ON BOTH SIDES, the aluminium plates do not interfere with the magnetic field, in recent months I made a conductive metal coil with iron and it does not work....!
The pancake coil was divided in four groups (electrically isolated) of six pancake coils, connected in series each one, and the capacitor is configured in the four groups, this capacitor stored the eddy currents and this allows better engine performance and higher output voltage (you can see in the video, the pickup coils at full power) and at the same time the BEMF AT FULL POWER ALSO...!,
THE NEUTRAL PLATES IN ONE SIDE OF THE PANCAKE COILS STORED THE EDDY CURRENTS ALSO, I HAVE 24 NEUTRAL ALUMINIUM PLATES INSIDE OF THE PANCAKE COILS, this WAS my idea TO PUT METALLIC INDUCTORS, I DON´T STUDIED ELECTRONICS, I SUTIED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF GUADALAJARA, I SUTUDIED ECONOMY, but i like technology an science, for me is only my HOBBY.
For me sometimes is difficult to understand laws of physics and mathematics, for me is only my dream to make the best pulse motor-generator.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 30, 2016, 10:15:32 PM
VOID: yes is correct, in the past i connected switches in the led bulbs and the pulse motor works at 100%, the idea to put pickup coils in the pancake coil is to produce more eddy currents, and with more eddy currents i put metallic inductors on both sides of the pancake coils and stored them in a capacitor, this allow better efficience in the pulse motor, NO EDDY CURRENTS, MORE EFFICIENCE...! THIS IS THE IDEA..!
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: Void on January 31, 2016, 02:11:14 AM
VOID: yes is correct, in the past i connected switches in the led bulbs and the pulse motor works at 100%, the idea to put pickup coils in the pancake coil is to produce more eddy currents, and with more eddy currents i put metallic inductors on both sides of the pancake coils and stored them in a capacitor, this allow better efficience in the pulse motor, NO EDDY CURRENTS, MORE EFFICIENCE...! THIS IS THE IDEA..!

Ok, not sure about your ideas about the eddy currents, especially without knowing how everything is connected internally,
but it sounds interesting anyway. :) It would be nice, if you are interested, to see what happens if you let the motor come up to full speed with
no LED lights connected, and then once the motor is up to full speed under no load, connect in the LED lights to see if the motor gets loaded down
by the LED lights...
All the best...
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 31, 2016, 02:42:39 AM
Void, i did this experiment but i used resistive loads, two car bulbs of 12 volts and the rotor keep the speed, no brake, the pancake coil has very low lenz resistance, this is great for the new metallic disks, they attract the eddy currents, i have an internal capacitor, and i have compared old pancake coils and the new  is different, more power out, i will make the experiment that you propose with a fast diode and a resistive load, very soon...! Thanks for your commentaries.
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: nul-points on January 31, 2016, 07:09:02 AM
Hola skycollection

I watched your videos showing how you've designed and constructed your pancake-coil motor

You've put an amazing amount of thought, effort and care into making over 100 coils and you've achieved a very high-quality build

Thank you for sharing the amazing work you've already done so far, i hope that you'll be able to apply the same very evident thoroughness in testing your motor to find its efficiency

All the best
np

PS  i first saw your work about 4+ years ago when you were making a very nice quality pulse motor with large 'solenoid' style coils - i think that your new design is a very interesting development
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 31, 2016, 08:11:37 AM
sm0ky2: I have some years studying the PANCAKE COILS and last month I started studying that are eddy currents, i sow that the direction of this electric currents they are opposite to the magnetic field, and this is the reason of this foucault currents stop the rotor like a brake....!!! The IDEA TO PUT METALIC ALUMINIUM CONDUCERS was for me because i think the metallic conducers stored the eddy currents and changing the direction of the magnetic field, with this never stop the magnet rotor. THE OTHER IDEA WAS STORED THE EDDY CURRENTS IN A CAPACITOR, i sow that the eddy currents they are attracted by a
metallic inductors and that was MY IDEA TO COVER THE PANCAKE COIL WITH ALUMINIUM ON BOTH SIDES, the aluminium plates do not interfere with the magnetic field, in recent months I made a conductive metal coil with iron and it does not work....!
The pancake coil was divided in four groups (electrically isolated) of six pancake coils, connected in series each one, and the capacitor is configured in the four groups, this capacitor stored the eddy currents and this allows better engine performance and higher output voltage (you can see in the video, the pickup coils at full power) and at the same time the BEMF AT FULL POWER ALSO...!,
THE NEUTRAL PLATES IN ONE SIDE OF THE PANCAKE COILS STORED THE EDDY CURRENTS ALSO, I HAVE 24 NEUTRAL ALUMINIUM PLATES INSIDE OF THE PANCAKE COILS, this WAS my idea TO PUT METALLIC INDUCTORS, I DON´T STUDIED ELECTRONICS, I SUTIED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF GUADALAJARA, I SUTUDIED ECONOMY, but i like technology an science, for me is only my HOBBY.
For me sometimes is difficult to understand laws of physics and mathematics, for me is only my dream to make the best pulse motor-generator.

yes. it is quite obvious that you do not understand the physics OR the math.. which is why I am trying to explain it to you from a technician standpoint. Where you don't necessarily need to be able to perform advanced calculations, but can still get a general idea of what's going on.

the electric field (eddy currents, etc) are ALWAYS oriented 90-degrees to the magnetic. the question is, Which 90-degrees?
in the pancake coil, the magnetic field is always in the same plane as the electric, but 90-degrees out of phase.
rotational, around the coil.

in the non-magnetic solid inductor (aluminum, copper, silver, gold, etc.) the magnetic field is 90-degrees in the other direction.
(aligned with or opposing the magnetic field, in the vertical plane)
it is this 90-degree difference between the two magnetic fields that makes the induction "non-effective".
the only thing the plates do is increase the intensity of the electric induction. (not the magnetic)

this is EXACTLY the same as increasing the length/diameter of the coils. Mathematically speaking, is it the same effect as increasing the surface area of the copper coil.

Lenz forces in the inductor don't matter, but the increase in the electric field within the coil, DOES increase the opposing forces through the coil.
JUST AS IF you had a larger coil

this is why when you test the same coil, WITH and WITHOUT the secondary inductor,
the coil performs better with the additional inductors

its just like placing a larger coil in its' place.

Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 31, 2016, 02:24:40 PM
I will post soon a new video-information of how to wind the pancake coils and how connect the metallic disks in the system, i have to tell you that i implemented two similar pancake coils, one consist in 24 inductor disks connected to the positive pole (you can see in the video a thin wire that make contact with the disk) and the other side with  "24neutral disks". The other pancake coil have 48 metalic disks in "neutral mode" they are not connected in the system and the result was different, both produce full power in the leds bulbs but in different form, without connection with the 48neutral inductors the light is stable, and with the connection with the 24 disks connected, the light is like "flashes" It is unstable...! This is caused for the magnets that produces high pulses.
I really don´t know if this is important, both pancake coils have a very low lenz resistance...! saludos from mexico...!
Title: Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
Post by: skycollection on January 31, 2016, 10:58:16 PM
Sm0ky2:  i sow your drawing, right side, and is correct....! IT IS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THE EDDY CURRENTS...? I think is correct....! the aluminium disks store the eddy currents because the aluminium is the best conducer of the electricity, the aluminum does not interfere the magnetic field, and the aluminium disks is a great discovery....! I am not claming nothing, i based in experiments with led bulbs, and resistive loads, car bulbs, the pulse motor is better with this system, i hope other people make replications with pancake coils with aluminium conducers, this is the way to get the goal, experimentation...!
Saludos desde mexico...!