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Author Topic: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer  (Read 18133 times)

Offline skycollection

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2016, 05:31:05 PM »
For all the doubters, this PANCAKE COIL TRANSFORMER AND CAPACITOR it is incredible, " Believe it or not", i don´t have to prove anything because I'm not claiming overunity ...! for me its only a hobby..!

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2016, 06:39:30 PM »
For all the doubters, this PANCAKE COIL TRANSFORMER AND CAPACITOR it is incredible, " Believe it or not", i don´t have to prove anything because I'm not claiming overunity ...! for me its only a hobby..!

I feel you are very correct in your statement and would never push you beyond your comfort zone.  I am quite impressed with your achievement and fully understand you are doing this as a hobby which I respect.  I have also learned a few things from your videos and want to thank you for posting them.  I hope you will continue do this regardless of what others may throw at you.  If you find yourself looking for a less hostile environment, please PM me, I have a solution for that.


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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2016, 07:20:51 PM »
I present two images here to give a visualization of the electric and magnetic forces present in this "new coil"

on the left, the way pancake coils generate electricity, when you have a change in flux either towards or away from the center of the coil.
in this case, both are happening as the magnet approaches and leaves the coil.

on the right, is an image of the electric flux lines (90-degrees to the magnetic).
the coil is segregated along each turn, thus the magnetic flux is planar.

the same image on the right, also represents the electric flux lines through the secondary conductor plates.
these are solid metal, and thus the magnetic flux is oriented 90-degrees to the electric, but in the vertical domain.
aligned with the approaching (or departing) magnet.

since the secondary inductors are not electrically connected to the coils, they build an electric capacitance, ("eddy currents"?)
which is partially absorbed by the pancake coil through inductive coupling, the rest is just a charge on the plates which dissipates into the surroundings.  There are little, if any magnetic affects between the pancake coil and the secondary inductor, it is a purely electric effect.
the effects on the rotating magnet are negligible, since the secondary inductors are not part of the electrical circuit, the charges just exist on the surface of the plate and move freely with the magnet. there's no "resistance" to the induction, or lenz forces being generated by the secondary inductor, because the charges aren't going anywhere.

there may be some affect caused by the portion of the electric flux that gets absorbed into the coil. this increases the intensity of the coil's electric field by some calculable amount. which should result in an equally opposing magnetic flux opposite to the approaching magnet.
the magnitude of this may be negligible, but in essence this should act as a "coil booster" technique.
the results of this "new coil" should therefore behave similar to an identical coil with more # of turns and longer wire.
  or an equivalently larger surface area of induction.






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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2016, 07:54:57 PM »
Hello,  indeed IS very difficult to make an accurate measurements of input and output voltage, I really am not saying that this is overunity, my new pancake coil is new and i need more tests and other experiments to determine the efficiency of the generator . I will try to make other tests and i will post on YOUTUBE SOON .... THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTARIES ....!

Hi Skycollection. Not necessarily always so difficult measuring input and output power. I described in my previous reply
how you could get a fairly reasonable idea of the output power your generator is generating by connecting the output coils
through fast diodes to a storage capacitor, and then adding a resistive load across the storage capacitor(s).
Since the output would then be DC and you would be using a resistive load, this should give you at least a ballpark
idea of the output power capability of the setup using some simple measurements of DC output voltage and current using a multimeter.

Likewise the input power on your setup can be measured with reasonable accuracy by measuring the input voltage and
current with multimeters. This should give you a reasonable ballpark input power measurement.
From those numbers you can get a better idea whether anything unusual may be going on.
What you choose to do is completely up to you, of course. I am just suggesting a possible way that you could
get a better idea whether anything much out of the ordinary is going on in your setup, if that interests you... :)

Regarding whether there is any loading on the electric motor when the LED lights are connected, another possible thing you
could try if you are interested, is to put switches on the wires going to your LED lights, and let the electric motor build up to full speed
first with no loads (LED lights) attached, and once the motor is up to full speed switch on the switches to the LED lights to see if connecting
the loads will load down the motor at all.

You had previously asked about the setup shown in your video, "Really it works ...?".
In the very least you need to first clarify exactly what you mean by "it works", before anyone can reasonably comment much on that particular question... :)
Just giving you some feedback on your video. Again, what you choose to do with any feedback you get is completely up to you... ;)



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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2016, 09:22:28 PM »
sm0ky2: I have some years studying the PANCAKE COILS and last month I started studying that are eddy currents, i sow that the direction of this electric currents they are opposite to the magnetic field, and this is the reason of this foucault currents stop the rotor like a brake....!!! The IDEA TO PUT METALIC ALUMINIUM CONDUCERS was for me because i think the metallic conducers stored the eddy currents and changing the direction of the magnetic field, with this never stop the magnet rotor. THE OTHER IDEA WAS STORED THE EDDY CURRENTS IN A CAPACITOR, i sow that the eddy currents they are attracted by a
metallic inductors and that was MY IDEA TO COVER THE PANCAKE COIL WITH ALUMINIUM ON BOTH SIDES, the aluminium plates do not interfere with the magnetic field, in recent months I made a conductive metal coil with iron and it does not work....!
The pancake coil was divided in four groups (electrically isolated) of six pancake coils, connected in series each one, and the capacitor is configured in the four groups, this capacitor stored the eddy currents and this allows better engine performance and higher output voltage (you can see in the video, the pickup coils at full power) and at the same time the BEMF AT FULL POWER ALSO...!,
THE NEUTRAL PLATES IN ONE SIDE OF THE PANCAKE COILS STORED THE EDDY CURRENTS ALSO, I HAVE 24 NEUTRAL ALUMINIUM PLATES INSIDE OF THE PANCAKE COILS, this WAS my idea TO PUT METALLIC INDUCTORS, I DON´T STUDIED ELECTRONICS, I SUTIED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF GUADALAJARA, I SUTUDIED ECONOMY, but i like technology an science, for me is only my HOBBY.
For me sometimes is difficult to understand laws of physics and mathematics, for me is only my dream to make the best pulse motor-generator.

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2016, 09:22:28 PM »
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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2016, 10:15:32 PM »
VOID: yes is correct, in the past i connected switches in the led bulbs and the pulse motor works at 100%, the idea to put pickup coils in the pancake coil is to produce more eddy currents, and with more eddy currents i put metallic inductors on both sides of the pancake coils and stored them in a capacitor, this allow better efficience in the pulse motor, NO EDDY CURRENTS, MORE EFFICIENCE...! THIS IS THE IDEA..!

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2016, 02:11:14 AM »
VOID: yes is correct, in the past i connected switches in the led bulbs and the pulse motor works at 100%, the idea to put pickup coils in the pancake coil is to produce more eddy currents, and with more eddy currents i put metallic inductors on both sides of the pancake coils and stored them in a capacitor, this allow better efficience in the pulse motor, NO EDDY CURRENTS, MORE EFFICIENCE...! THIS IS THE IDEA..!

Ok, not sure about your ideas about the eddy currents, especially without knowing how everything is connected internally,
but it sounds interesting anyway. :) It would be nice, if you are interested, to see what happens if you let the motor come up to full speed with
no LED lights connected, and then once the motor is up to full speed under no load, connect in the LED lights to see if the motor gets loaded down
by the LED lights...
All the best...

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2016, 02:42:39 AM »
Void, i did this experiment but i used resistive loads, two car bulbs of 12 volts and the rotor keep the speed, no brake, the pancake coil has very low lenz resistance, this is great for the new metallic disks, they attract the eddy currents, i have an internal capacitor, and i have compared old pancake coils and the new  is different, more power out, i will make the experiment that you propose with a fast diode and a resistive load, very soon...! Thanks for your commentaries.

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2016, 07:09:02 AM »
Hola skycollection

I watched your videos showing how you've designed and constructed your pancake-coil motor

You've put an amazing amount of thought, effort and care into making over 100 coils and you've achieved a very high-quality build

Thank you for sharing the amazing work you've already done so far, i hope that you'll be able to apply the same very evident thoroughness in testing your motor to find its efficiency

All the best
np

PS  i first saw your work about 4+ years ago when you were making a very nice quality pulse motor with large 'solenoid' style coils - i think that your new design is a very interesting development

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2016, 08:11:37 AM »
sm0ky2: I have some years studying the PANCAKE COILS and last month I started studying that are eddy currents, i sow that the direction of this electric currents they are opposite to the magnetic field, and this is the reason of this foucault currents stop the rotor like a brake....!!! The IDEA TO PUT METALIC ALUMINIUM CONDUCERS was for me because i think the metallic conducers stored the eddy currents and changing the direction of the magnetic field, with this never stop the magnet rotor. THE OTHER IDEA WAS STORED THE EDDY CURRENTS IN A CAPACITOR, i sow that the eddy currents they are attracted by a
metallic inductors and that was MY IDEA TO COVER THE PANCAKE COIL WITH ALUMINIUM ON BOTH SIDES, the aluminium plates do not interfere with the magnetic field, in recent months I made a conductive metal coil with iron and it does not work....!
The pancake coil was divided in four groups (electrically isolated) of six pancake coils, connected in series each one, and the capacitor is configured in the four groups, this capacitor stored the eddy currents and this allows better engine performance and higher output voltage (you can see in the video, the pickup coils at full power) and at the same time the BEMF AT FULL POWER ALSO...!,
THE NEUTRAL PLATES IN ONE SIDE OF THE PANCAKE COILS STORED THE EDDY CURRENTS ALSO, I HAVE 24 NEUTRAL ALUMINIUM PLATES INSIDE OF THE PANCAKE COILS, this WAS my idea TO PUT METALLIC INDUCTORS, I DON´T STUDIED ELECTRONICS, I SUTIED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF GUADALAJARA, I SUTUDIED ECONOMY, but i like technology an science, for me is only my HOBBY.
For me sometimes is difficult to understand laws of physics and mathematics, for me is only my dream to make the best pulse motor-generator.

yes. it is quite obvious that you do not understand the physics OR the math.. which is why I am trying to explain it to you from a technician standpoint. Where you don't necessarily need to be able to perform advanced calculations, but can still get a general idea of what's going on.

the electric field (eddy currents, etc) are ALWAYS oriented 90-degrees to the magnetic. the question is, Which 90-degrees?
in the pancake coil, the magnetic field is always in the same plane as the electric, but 90-degrees out of phase.
rotational, around the coil.

in the non-magnetic solid inductor (aluminum, copper, silver, gold, etc.) the magnetic field is 90-degrees in the other direction.
(aligned with or opposing the magnetic field, in the vertical plane)
it is this 90-degree difference between the two magnetic fields that makes the induction "non-effective".
the only thing the plates do is increase the intensity of the electric induction. (not the magnetic)

this is EXACTLY the same as increasing the length/diameter of the coils. Mathematically speaking, is it the same effect as increasing the surface area of the copper coil.

Lenz forces in the inductor don't matter, but the increase in the electric field within the coil, DOES increase the opposing forces through the coil.
JUST AS IF you had a larger coil

this is why when you test the same coil, WITH and WITHOUT the secondary inductor,
the coil performs better with the additional inductors

its just like placing a larger coil in its' place.


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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2016, 02:24:40 PM »
I will post soon a new video-information of how to wind the pancake coils and how connect the metallic disks in the system, i have to tell you that i implemented two similar pancake coils, one consist in 24 inductor disks connected to the positive pole (you can see in the video a thin wire that make contact with the disk) and the other side with  "24neutral disks". The other pancake coil have 48 metalic disks in "neutral mode" they are not connected in the system and the result was different, both produce full power in the leds bulbs but in different form, without connection with the 48neutral inductors the light is stable, and with the connection with the 24 disks connected, the light is like "flashes" It is unstable...! This is caused for the magnets that produces high pulses.
I really don´t know if this is important, both pancake coils have a very low lenz resistance...! saludos from mexico...!

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2016, 10:58:16 PM »
Sm0ky2:  i sow your drawing, right side, and is correct....! IT IS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THE EDDY CURRENTS...? I think is correct....! the aluminium disks store the eddy currents because the aluminium is the best conducer of the electricity, the aluminum does not interfere the magnetic field, and the aluminium disks is a great discovery....! I am not claming nothing, i based in experiments with led bulbs, and resistive loads, car bulbs, the pulse motor is better with this system, i hope other people make replications with pancake coils with aluminium conducers, this is the way to get the goal, experimentation...!
Saludos desde mexico...!


 

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