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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2016, 08:10:13 AM »
if he is resonating at 60Hz, I have to assume the entire circuit is not at resonance.
they may all be operating at 60Hz, but a coil with a 60Hz self-resonant frequency...
would be a copper wire something like 5 million meters long......

If it is in resonance, its hitting on a node, not the full wavelength

in a truly resonant circuit, all components, coil(s), inductor(s), capacitor(s),
are designed to be self-resonant at the operating frequency.

This is a good read, not all of the information here is applicable to us,
as this was written for radio-builders,
but if you want to understand how resonance affects your circuit,
This will give you everything you need to know. Also there is reference to a useful piece of software.
http://www.robkalmeijer.nl/techniek/electronica/radiotechniek/hambladen/qex/2001/09_10/page33/index.html

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2016, 03:02:17 PM »
I think it is worth repeating, to keep would be experimenters encouraged, Floyd Sweet's first self oscillating transformer resonated at 60 cycle, Steven Mark's transformer resonated at low frequency which must have been in the neighborhood as he ran a drill... and resonance surely has to be the prime component of the Kapandaze device that draws electrons out of the earth.


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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2016, 05:08:15 PM »
What i think. Resonance in the core should not depend on the dimensions or shape of the core, only the magnetic material of the core. And it should not depend on the resonance of the coil or any external components. It should be some frequency, and multitudes of that frequency. The signal should most likely be sine. It can be though that some higher harmonics of the signal cause resonance. All i can think, it should be some very exact frequency, somehow related to some properties of the atoms. At that, this frequency may slightly vary even in the cores of the same type, due to slight differences of the magnetic material. It cannot be 60 Hz, as then it did appear in most transformers in everyday use. I think it should be much higher. At 60 Hz, it may be caused by some harmonics. This is likely not the same as the resonance of a coil or a capacitor, and has nothing to do with it. The only way i think to find that frequency, is to smoothly increase the frequency, but then the approximate range should be known. All i can think.

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2016, 06:24:40 PM »
I just ran into an interview with Jack Durban re the Steven Marks device that I never knew existed. I just excerpted the follwoing from the interview and post here for the benefit of those who have not heard it. Jack worked with Steven Marks early on in the project and visited with him approximately ten times at the mansion Steven was working out of. At this period in time Steven was not yet successful in powering inductive loads such as motors and is the time when Durban parted company with him. But did power inductive loads shortly after.

One of the first things Jack makes clear is that the torroidal design had absolutely nothing to do with the function of the device. He also says it was not Steven's design and that it reminded him of an early Tesla patent. Durban was a Tesla fan.
"I was part of the family and he was even careful with me, because I think, that he could tell that if I had just had enough time with the unit and could take it apart or help him build one, that I would discover just how simple the technology really was.

Most everything in the device was purchased at Radio Shack. A Reed switch, a magnet and a couple of other components. There was a large polypropolene Cap and a choke that were sitting on top of the large 15 inch diameter unit. It is not a very complicated device, it is just very  complicated to get working properly. The winding of the unit was very laborious... output levels could be changed based on ratios and things like that... a very elemental, fundamental device, not very sophisticated... just unstable and difficult to tame... he was not a very intelligent guy... I see the deification all over the internet, but this is not the kinda guy that invented this device, he came across it somehow and tried to make it work as a tinkerer... Steven was very paranoid as this device was not that difficult to figure out.... he did not want anyone looking over his shoulder or he would become instantly obsolete... this guy was not a technical person, just a tinkerer... that also goes to the simplicity of this device... Question... how did he cloak it so that people couldn't tell what he was doing? I am glad you asked... one of the tricks that he employed that I thought was rather amusing, was using a magnet to drop into a little receptacle that would cause the device to come to life, and all that was was a reed switch that was inside the receptacle.... he went to a lot of lengths to wrap the coils with electrical tape... the unit I was most familiar with was the large unit... it was not that complicated... you would think that there was mosfets and all kind of triggering relays, but there is none, there is no solid state technology.... I do not think that Steven knew which end of a diode to use where...
 
The full interview...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuhI03ZMR8


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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2016, 07:10:52 AM »
What i think. Resonance in the core should not depend on the dimensions or shape of the core, only the magnetic material of the core.
Not correct.  The material properties DO play an important role, a coefficient of the specific material is part of the equation.
but the physical Dimensions are precisely what determine the resonant frequency of the core.
If you are using a manufactured core, the self-resonant frequency is provided by the manufacturer.


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And it should not depend on the resonance of the coil or any external components.
Not correct. The self resonant frequency of the coil SHOULD be the same frequency (ideal), or a multiple or divisor thereof.

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It should be some frequency, and multitudes of that frequency. The signal should most likely be sine.
Yes, exactly.   And, not always Sine, though in a "round" wound coil, it is often the case, but only when every component is operating at a resonant node, with respect to the system as a whole.

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It can be though that some higher harmonics of the signal cause resonance. All i can think, it should be some very exact frequency, somehow related to some properties of the atoms. At that, this frequency may slightly vary even in the cores of the same type, due to slight differences of the magnetic material. It cannot be 60 Hz, as then it did appear in most transformers in everyday use. I think it should be much higher. At 60 Hz, it may be caused by some harmonics. This is likely not the same as the resonance of a coil or a capacitor, and has nothing to do with it. The only way i think to find that frequency, is to smoothly increase the frequency, but then the approximate range should be known. All i can think.

or one could use the manufacturers specs for the inductive core (or available data for air cores),
then calculate the dimensions, thickness, length,etc, # of turns, diameter, and everything
for a coil that is self-resonant at that frequency.

If you cannot physically create a coil to match the self-resonant frequency of the inductor,.....
  Then a coil tuned to a lower octave of this frequency will be self-resonant with the core, at that node.

Steven Marks talked about this extensively.

 and you are right, the torroid shape has nothing to do with the effect.
a "TPU" could be build using a cylindrical inductor or any other type.
though you may have to call it a "CPU"  :)


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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2016, 07:10:52 AM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2016, 07:24:41 AM »
a wise man once said to me:

" If your message isn't being received, in the way you intended,
Try saying it a different way"

and so, this is my attempt at doing so........

At the self-resonant frequency (for both inductor and coil):

The reluctance of the inductor (resistance to change in flux) approaches 0
The inductor behaves like a pure capacitor.

The Coil has a capacitance, and at self-resonance, this capacitance takes on a purely inductive state.
  (a capacitor does this too, but the explanation is a bit more complex.)

When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.

meaning there are no losses in the system, it can continue to resonate indefinitely, or until the physical components dissipate all of the energy due to heat.

An inductive coupling to this self resonant circuit (but not electrically connected), can draw power off of the changes in the electromagnetic field, without affecting the oscillations of the system.

Power that can be fed back in periodically to offset the heat losses.

Tesla called this "energy" some kind of Cosmic Waves, he theorized were everywhere...

The way I see it, it is a perfectly normal behavior of electrical circuits, when used in a perfectly abnormal manner.
In fact, this is exactly how they tell us NOT to use our components...
(I wonder why that is......)

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2016, 07:38:22 AM »
In your opinion, are the resonant frequencies on the coils we wind or on the core itself?

In other words, does the core have a self-resonant frequency if there were no coils on it? irrespective to the coils it has on it?     If I have a generic ferrite toroid with no windings, does it have a self-resonant frequency, or that dependant on how I wind coils around it?


a wise man once said to me:

" If your message isn't being received, in the way you intended,
Try saying it a different way"

and so, this is my attempt at doing so........

At the self-resonant frequency (for both inductor and coil):

The reluctance of the inductor (resistance to change in flux) approaches 0
The inductor behaves like a pure capacitor.

The Coil has a capacitance, and at self-resonance, this capacitance takes on a purely inductive state.
  (a capacitor does this too, but the explanation is a bit more complex.)

When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.

meaning there are no losses in the system, it can continue to resonate indefinitely, or until the physical components dissipate all of the energy due to heat.

An inductive coupling to this self resonant circuit (but not electrically connected), can draw power off of the changes in the electromagnetic field, without affecting the oscillations of the system.

Power that can be fed back in periodically to offset the heat losses.

Tesla called this "energy" some kind of Cosmic Waves, he theorized were everywhere...

The way I see it, it is a perfectly normal behavior of electrical circuits, when used in a perfectly abnormal manner.
In fact, this is exactly how they tell us NOT to use our components...
(I wonder why that is......)

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2016, 07:38:22 AM »
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Offline Just..Sayin..

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2016, 09:55:36 AM »
 and you are right, the torroid shape has nothing to do with the effect.
a "TPU" could be build using a cylindrical inductor or any other type.
though you may have to call it a "CPU"

It will be interesting to see the type of core that Avalon is using, if he displays it.. .UPDATE
Avalon now reports on the other thread that his device does not work... see the thread for the details..


When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.

This must be what happened then with the transformer that kept running after Sweet turned it off. One of the windings simply shorted (at a favorable location) and the winding then became a capacitor.... This device was obviously operating at 60 HZ as is Avalon's... THE RESONANT FREQUENCY OF THE CORE MATERIAL THEREFORE DOES NOT MATTER... while it may be an important factor when designing/operating broadcasting equipment, I do not think it is that important to get one of these devices working properly. If it was, Steven Marks would not have had much success, as he had no technical background in these matters.

(I thought I heard Jack Durban say in the interview that there was no ferrous core in the larger Steve Marks device, I could be wrong about that. Mark's also worked with numerous cores and he seemed to be able to get any one of them working, so once again I do not think the resonant frequency of the core is a concern)

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2016, 11:00:11 AM »
« Last Edit: January 18, 2016, 04:37:37 PM by Just..Sayin.. »

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2016, 04:16:42 PM »
Thank you sm0ky2, this sounds credible. I understand now why coil, why capacitor, and why transformer. Transformer is to get energy from the oscillation, so not sure whether the resonance of the core even matters, the resonance of the coil and the capacitor does.

Thus the overunity there is not caused by the resonance, but by no Lenz effect when the coil turns into capacitor, how can Lenz effect affect back a capacitance. Resonance of the coil and the capacitor is necessary to make this preventing the Lenz effect possible.

But it is something where everything has to fit together, the capacitor, the coil, the frequency, and maybe even the core. Thus it is very difficult to make, but as all the parameters as you say can be found from the specifications, then it should be at least possible.

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2016, 04:39:24 PM »
Thank you sm0ky2, this sounds credible. I understand now why coil, why capacitor, and why transformer. Transformer is to get energy from the oscillation, so not sure whether the resonance of the core even matters, the resonance of the coil and the capacitor does.



I agree with you fully... I do not believe the given resonant frequency of the core matters..... I believe the core will fall in step and work with the coils at any frequency.... that is my opinion.

Aye Aye, do you think you can construct a working device now?

Jack Durban on Steve Marks device... It is not a very complicated device, it is just very  complicated to get working properly. (two coils, a capacitor, and a 60HZ oscillator to set things in motion?)

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2016, 07:10:58 PM »
Aye Aye, do you think you can construct a working device now?

It is very difficult to make, as everything has to fit together. It may not so difficult to stumble upon, though. I think i don't have the resources advanced enough to make it now. I may repeat it when someone else makes it, when it can be done with what i have.

I am mostly here to do the thinking. It is a general way of thinking that i have, and i just apply that where i can. Sometimes i make mistakes, then i learn from the mistakes i made. I do experiments, in that, i'm not a kind of person who thinks that someone else has to do it for me. But this is not the most important for me, i'm the most interested in theory. This research, is a way for us to study nature, just like Faraday did. And i don't make assumptions, like there is or is not overunity, this i think is the only way to study.


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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2016, 07:39:32 PM »
a wise man once said to me:

" If your message isn't being received, in the way you intended,
Try saying it a different way"

and so, this is my attempt at doing so........

At the self-resonant frequency (for both inductor and coil):

The reluctance of the inductor (resistance to change in flux) approaches 0
The inductor behaves like a pure capacitor.


The Coil has a capacitance, and at self-resonance, this capacitance takes on a purely inductive state.
  (a capacitor does this too, but the explanation is a bit more complex.)

When the inductor is a capacitor, and the capacitor is an inductor, the two can oscillate back and forth with little or no resistance to the effects of the oscillations.

meaning there are no losses in the system, it can continue to resonate indefinitely, or until the physical components dissipate all of the energy due to heat.

An inductive coupling to this self resonant circuit (but not electrically connected), can draw power off of the changes in the electromagnetic field, without affecting the oscillations of the system.

Power that can be fed back in periodically to offset the heat losses.

Tesla called this "energy" some kind of Cosmic Waves, he theorized were everywhere...

The way I see it, it is a perfectly normal behavior of electrical circuits, when used in a perfectly abnormal manner.
In fact, this is exactly how they tell us NOT to use our components...
(I wonder why that is......)
Indeed, I wonder why....  :)  There is energy out there to be harnessed and used. The loop antenna crystal radio as an analogous concept can teach us a few things. If we can get a ringing pulse in a resonant tank and sustain it with cosmic energy, then harness it from a pickup coil that won't affect the ringing, we have an ongoing source of charge, do we not?
Bob

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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2016, 11:01:15 PM »
It is very difficult to make, as everything has to fit together. It may not so difficult to stumble upon, though. I think i don't have the resources advanced enough to make it now. I may repeat it when someone else makes it, when it can be done with what i have.

I am mostly here to do the thinking. It is a general way of thinking that i have, and i just apply that where i can. Sometimes i make mistakes, then i learn from the mistakes i made. I do experiments, in that, i'm not a kind of person who thinks that someone else has to do it for me. But this is not the most important for me, i'm the most interested in theory. This research, is a way for us to study nature, just like Faraday did. And i don't make assumptions, like there is or is not overunity, this i think is the only way to study.

Thanks for taking the time to explain...


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Re: The Secret To The Self Oscillating Transformer
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2016, 02:19:24 PM »
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