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Offline webby1

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ROC
« on: December 13, 2015, 05:46:32 PM »
Time rate of change,, that is kind of superfluous since rate of change includes time,, rate,,  :)

What if I have two quantities of work that are identical, they will be performed within the identical time period and against each other, but the rate of change during that time period is not the same between each work quantity.

Does the instantaneous potentials of the two quantities not being the same represent another energy potential within the interacting systems.  This would represent that a difference in power is a difference in potential.

This is what I have been playing with over the last year or so and have built many testbeds looking into this relationship.

What I have done so far suggests that it might be possible to use the difference in ROC as an additional source of energy within a system.

What I also find interesting with what I have done so far is that if I do NOT use it, the systems act the same, that is in line with my view that just because something can do something does not mean it must, and that if something does do something you do not have to use it,, but you could :)

My last build was both interesting and frustrating in that my skill level to build accurately is not sufficient with the method I was trying to use, and the materials cost was going to be above what I have in my pocket, so I turned to using the simulation software to try and come up with a better solution that would enable not only myself to build it, but almost any other person who chose to do so.

The method I am trying to use does not allow for any acceleration of the systems involved, and it is the lack of the acceleration that opens the observation of the difference in force being expressed over a distance of travel. 

I have a sim of my last build showing this basic relationship, so while there is no acceleration, my input in the sim being 2N is met with a required force of over 2N, over the same distance, to stop any acceleration.  Interesting note on this is that while acceleration is allowed there is a lower value of resistance needed,, as such that the "output force" is less than the "input force",, again, while there is an acceleration.

I have been watching other threads where I think the same basic relationship is being explored,, and IMHO,, if I "can" do this mechanically then there should be no question that it can be done using alternate forces and methods.

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« on: December 13, 2015, 05:46:32 PM »

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Re: ROC
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2017, 06:39:16 AM »
What if I have the same quantity of work that is performed but in 2 different time periods.

A change in flux, whether that is magnetic or electric, will have a quantity of charge that is moved.

In a sense when you have a change in electric flux between the plates of a capacitor you have a displacement current that flows,, and likewise with a coil when you have a change in magnetic flux you have another displacement current that flows.

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Re: ROC
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2017, 10:40:49 PM »
:)

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Re: ROC
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 01:17:42 AM »
Webby, mathematically speaking a "rate of change" doesn't have to include time. For example, a "mile per hour" is a time rate of change of distance (miles). But if you are like some of our country rednecks or millennials, you could be driving along sipping your favourite beverage at a _rate_ of ten sips per mile... no matter how fast you are going. (Going faster means you have to take more sips per unit time -- your time rate of sips increases -- but you are still taking ten sips per mile (your distance rate of sips change hasn't changed.)


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Re: ROC
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2017, 01:42:24 AM »
Indeed TK,, there is always more than one way of looking at things.

But an asymmetric rate of change with a fixed reference frame is an interesting thing when it comes to inducing a voltage.

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Re: ROC
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2017, 01:42:24 AM »
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Re: ROC
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2017, 02:26:28 AM »
Let me put it this way :)

A sip\gulp is 1 oz, you will be taking 2 drinks per mile,, but the sip takes you 3\4 mile, the gulp 1\4 mile, now you have 3 passengers doing the same thing,, so you have 4 sips, 4 gulps per mile,, 8 oz consumed per mile.

Interesting, the 2 rates of consumption per mile.

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Re: ROC
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2017, 03:35:39 PM »
If you seek to find a way to extract more electrical work potential out than in by use of magnets and coils, then IMO, I have supplied a framework for you to hang your questions on.

My explanation can be found here.

https://forum.1webby1.com/index.php?topic=12.0

This is just my take on a method,, I am sure there are better ways.

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Re: ROC
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2017, 04:21:55 PM »
If you seek to find a way to extract more electrical work potential out than in by use of magnets and coils, then IMO, I have supplied a framework for you to hang your questions on.

My explanation can be found here.

https://forum.1webby1.com/index.php?topic=12.0

This is just my take on a method,, I am sure there are better ways.


You are on "the" path.....


I agree there are better ways....

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Re: ROC
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2017, 04:57:32 PM »
I was thinking that it would be nice if there was a singe device that could\would interact simultaneously with either the magnetic or electric flux,, maybe even be able to switch between them on demand,, but that is above my pay grade so I am running with just the magnetic for now.

ETA: but who would ever believe that you could have a coil that can act as a capacitor or a capacitor that can act as a coil.

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Re: ROC
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2017, 05:18:27 PM »
I was thinking that it would be nice if there was a singe device that could\would interact simultaneously with either the magnetic or electric flux,, maybe even be able to switch between them on demand,, but that is above my pay grade so I am running with just the magnetic for now.


for what purpose? 


[/size]ETA: but who would ever believe that you could have a coil that can act as a capacitor or a capacitor that can act as a coil.


I'm beyond belief......

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2017, 05:18:27 PM »
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Re: ROC
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2017, 07:08:17 PM »

for what purpose? 

To take things solid state,, no moving parts other than charge.

I have a fairly messed up view on things,, kind of like maybe the electric fields are the monopoles and the magnetic field is a dipole and then it is the relative "view" that makes it one or the other,, push on one and the other moves kind of thing.
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I'm beyond belief......

I tried playing with that view years ago with the Hendershot device,, shared what I thought and basically got laughed at but played anyway,, I do what I want when I want  :)

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Re: ROC
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2017, 07:38:34 PM »
To take things solid state,, no moving parts other than charge.


ok......


I have found that parts should be allowed to move....



I have a fairly messed up view on things,, kind of like maybe the electric fields are the monopoles and the magnetic field is a dipole and then it is the relative "view" that makes it one or the other,, push on one and the other moves kind of thing.
I tried playing with that view years ago with the Hendershot device,, shared what I thought and basically got laughed at but played anyway,, I do what I want when I want  :)


Do what you want.....progress is progress......


 

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