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Re: ROC
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2018, 04:36:16 PM »
I take it then that you did not look at anything I posted, if you had then how is what you posted supposed to "inspire" anything?

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« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2018, 05:32:41 PM »
Here is the data file from the system running at 360 degrees per second without the wheel motor.


If you crunch the numbers you will see that the system, with wheel usage, is at about 15000J per cycle and without the wheel motor it is about 13500J per cycle.


I prefer the setup without using the wheel motor because it shows things in an easier to see condition, even tho it makes less output.


To keep it simple,, all the energy is within the system, whether I use any myself or not.  No energy is created or destroyed and is only in a constant state of change, but it is conservative.

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« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2018, 07:08:53 PM »
The thing is that what I am exploiting is so ubiquitous that I do not think it is able to be patented.  I have shared a version of this sim with a friend who runs into this very condition as part of his every day job and must design in safeguards to prevent it from damaging the company equipment he works on.


This relationship has been around forever and this very condition has destroyed many of my testbeds,, but I did not appreciate what it was showing me.



Someone like Tinselkoala could take this, do his due diligence, and write up a full paper on it and be the first to publish,, that I think would be a win for the team.


If this can go from sim to the real world it is a game changer, it would lead to so many other advances that life could get better for all people,, so I am slowly doing my own thing and working on taking this from sim and trying to bring it into the real world.

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« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2018, 09:26:06 PM »
A silly question to inspire thought :)


Does the change in energy of a single drop of water and gravity change if that drop of water flows freely over the spill-gate of a dam or if it runs through the turbine of said dam?

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« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2018, 05:14:16 PM »
Yes, but the changes to internal energies of the water drop aren’t really applicable here.
(information storage, cohesive structuring, etc)


I’m trying not to use any specifics because it’s better to find the path yourself


Think about ‘spinner’ hubcaps, the kind that keep spinning when your car stops
You go to 60, the tires spin, and you stop at a red light
Now you have 4 metal disks spinning at 1200rpm


You could say that this is a internal energy that has nothing to do with
the car moving forward down the road.
But at some level, the mass of the spinners is added to the wheels, and axle
connected to the drive shaft, and the dragging axle as well.
So the energy is accounted for in your fuel consumed at the engine.


We could probably find a way to extract it back out
but we wouldn’t be “gaining” anything.


This applies even when the internal energies are higher than that which we put in.
It is in the ROC that your answer will surface.
Think about the way we calculate the duty cycle of an electrical signal
And apply the same logic to the physical system.




I’m going to give you one more:


E=mgh
The “g” is a ~constant applicable to our planet.
but there can be other g’s


Let’s set E
m is the same
So if we change g, we must change h


the same energy (stored in gravitational potential) on two different planets
results in different heights at which we hold our mass


For simplicity we can assign the value of E/m to x
And: x=gh
Therefore: g=x/h
And: h=x/g


now when we apply time
we see the difference in ROC


It’s all the same situation


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« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2018, 05:14:16 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2018, 06:09:23 PM »
I guess what you are missing is that the information I have shared is from a sim that produces output for the operator for free.
This output energy is not created or destroyed in the process but is a natural part of what is happening within the sim.
This exchange of energy is already within the system and the output for the operator is a required output to maintain a conservative system.
This exchange of energy does not need to be used and the system will maintain the same "relationship" but in a different fashion and still be conservative.


Hence the drop of water and gravity having no difference in the exchange of energy whether or not "we" use it.

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« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2018, 09:35:51 PM »
I guess what you are missing is that the information I have shared is from a sim that produces output for the operator for free.
This output energy is not created or destroyed in the process but is a natural part of what is happening within the sim.
This exchange of energy is already within the system and the output for the operator is a required output to maintain a conservative system.
This exchange of energy does not need to be used and the system will maintain the same "relationship" but in a different fashion and still be conservative.


Hence the drop of water and gravity having no difference in the exchange of energy whether or not "we" use it.


SIMs are limited to the mathematical equations programmed into them
They can be a useful tool, but a real world example will show the real results


If “we” dont use the energy of the water drop
It will expend it digging a deeper pool at the bottom.
And tearing up rocks, etc.






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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2018, 10:58:47 PM »

SIMs are limited to the mathematical equations programmed into them
They can be a useful tool, but a real world example will show the real results



Exactly, that is why I said if it makes from sim to the real world.


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« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2018, 11:45:00 PM »
So I have been playing with things to make it easier for me to build, and well went back a few versions and then made some other kind of changes so it is the same concept but going about it in a different fashion.

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« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2018, 05:32:30 AM »

Just an abstract thought.


Take a large "U" tube and place a large container on top of each leg.


Down here at sea level seal the top of one of those containers,
Raise assembly up say 1 mile.


Does the water in the "U" tube change its height?


Seal the other container while up 1 mile and open the first lower container back down.


Does the water move more?


Did any more water weight get lifted than what came back down?


So is the weight of the air the same as what the change might be,, not so sure if it is or not but it was just one of those passing thoughts :)

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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2018, 05:30:40 PM »
In trying to figure out what is what with what I am doing I made a ridiculous change to the sim,, if this was running I would not want to be anywhere near the device :)
This setup is putting out approximately 300KW average.

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« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2018, 07:41:33 AM »
Well,, this one is fun.

This data shows a 40kJ loss for the run

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« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2018, 02:10:10 AM »
I simplified things down to only the wheel motor, not that it is as impressive but only having 1 active component and the rest passive, or reactive is fun.

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« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2018, 08:14:15 AM »
As the sim settles down :)

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« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2018, 07:28:46 PM »
This is just a pic of the power graph starting from a dead stop, no motions at all.

What the graph does not show is the first infinitesimal where the motor is supplying an infinite torque to instantly raise the wheel speed to 360 degrees per second as well as starting the motions in the rest of the system and it is these motions that then make the motor power show a large negative power at the very beginning of the graph.

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