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Offline webby1

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Re: ROC
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2018, 09:37:26 PM »
CF-CP,, fun stuff


Here is the next 5 rotations,, 80kJ per rotation is not bad.

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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2018, 09:37:26 PM »

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Re: ROC
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2018, 10:02:24 PM »
CF-CP,, fun stuff


Here is the next 5 rotations,, 80kJ per rotation is not bad.
Why is your attached text file 3.8 Megabytes? That is a LOT of text...


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Re: ROC
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2018, 11:07:13 PM »
That is the data file from the sim run,, the torque and angle of all 3 motors taken about 32,765 times for about 5 revolutions.

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« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2018, 06:12:12 PM »
Here is another data set but in this one I slowed the motors down to 180 degrees per second.


I actually built a setup very similar to the sim but I was not running it the same way as I am in the sim,, kind of annoying that I could of made a few small changes to that build to run it this way :(


The sim is using Conservation of Momentum combined with the CF\CP thing and the functions of leverage to control the reactive force interaction, not so sure I would call it a Rate Of Change thing exactly but I think it is involved to some degree.


I shared that build with a friend while I was playing with the Skinner device and noticed a few interesting CP interactions, thinking that that device, if it worked, most likely did not use gravity per say as the actual input but as a control point.  That build was the last one I tried following that thread, I did not post that device on the forum.




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Re: ROC
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2018, 04:08:03 PM »
Here I changed the mass value of 4 parts to a much lower value.


The output is now down to approx. 2000J per revolution.

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Re: ROC
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2018, 04:08:03 PM »
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Re: ROC
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2018, 12:04:40 AM »
Here are a few screen grabs of the power graphs from my latest setup.

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« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2018, 12:05:25 AM »
The other one is for 1 cycle

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« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2018, 12:05:25 AM »
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Re: ROC
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2018, 12:07:49 AM »
My other setup before this one showed the same basic power curves but when I did the energy calculations that one came up as a net zero,, this newer version shows a 3kJ gain per cycle.

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« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2018, 11:14:24 PM »
or this :)


Velocity of rectangle 19 is actually the rotation in degrees of the 2 pivot motors


ETA that is degrees per second

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Re: ROC
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2018, 02:22:21 PM »
Here is the same system but this time with the wheel motor on.

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« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2018, 02:22:21 PM »
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Re: ROC
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2018, 03:55:57 PM »
for fun I cranked it up to 360 degrees per second,, with the wheel motor on.

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Re: ROC
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2018, 05:08:37 PM »
For those that may be interested in what I am doing in the sim it is simple, I am taking a conservative interaction and using it to my advantage.


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Re: ROC
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2018, 08:20:05 PM »
An object has a moment of inertia


Imagine two situations, both inputting the same quantity of “energy”


What changes, is the time the energy is applied
and in doing so, maintaining the same quantity,
we proportionally change the amplitude.
essentially, two situations have different ROC.


In one, we exert a force of one amplitude, for a given time.
In the next, we exert a greater force, for less time.
These forces impart an acceleration onto the object.


Keeping input energy constant,
how does the ROC affect the final velocity of our object?




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Re: ROC
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2018, 02:02:06 AM »
I assume that is a rhetorical question.

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Re: ROC
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2018, 02:25:19 PM »
I assume that is a rhetorical question.


it is to inspire thinking


These relationships hold, in every form
Be it physical force, electromagnetic force
electromotive force, gravitational, etc.
(atomic magnetism excluded)




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Re: ROC
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2018, 02:25:19 PM »

 

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