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Re: ROC
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2018, 03:11:54 PM »
I made a mistake on the motor energy,  it only shows a 2300J gain per cycle.


I thought that if I stopped a certain interaction from happening and turned off gravity I should be able to get a net zero condition, well it shows a 6J gain per cycle but that could be a rounding error.


I had to add a damper and an actuator to do this and change how I was using the other actuators.  The added actuator is to stop a motion and so the actuator is only on as a damper on steroids and as such it is an output.  I am leaving one actuator on at 150N and another on at 5N and am now changing another actuator from -240N to 500N as the primary drive to change the two systems.

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« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2018, 10:08:16 PM »
in terms of the ball going down the spiral. it will be rolling on a side due to a
centrifudal force, extracting considerable pressure.
Will this decrease a final energy?
Higer pressure between the ball and the track will increase friction. However it will not be considerable if both the ball and the track is made of a very hard material. It is almost no deformation.

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« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2018, 09:16:13 PM »
I was messing around.


No Gravity and all 3 motors are set to positive 360 degrees per second.
I took the mount points of the 2 systems and added a constant speed motor to them,, just to try and control the timing of a few interactions and I turned off gravity because I was not getting things in sync.  At first the system was all over the place but after a few revolutions of the large wheel things settled down.


Please notice, if you look, at the points where the motors 80 and 105 reverse directions, they oscillate but are not turned on while they are going backwards.   These 2 motors are only on for a short duration per revolution one at a time.

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« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2018, 09:37:26 PM »
CF-CP,, fun stuff


Here is the next 5 rotations,, 80kJ per rotation is not bad.

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« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2018, 10:02:24 PM »
CF-CP,, fun stuff


Here is the next 5 rotations,, 80kJ per rotation is not bad.
Why is your attached text file 3.8 Megabytes? That is a LOT of text...


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« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2018, 10:02:24 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2018, 11:07:13 PM »
That is the data file from the sim run,, the torque and angle of all 3 motors taken about 32,765 times for about 5 revolutions.

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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2018, 06:12:12 PM »
Here is another data set but in this one I slowed the motors down to 180 degrees per second.


I actually built a setup very similar to the sim but I was not running it the same way as I am in the sim,, kind of annoying that I could of made a few small changes to that build to run it this way :(


The sim is using Conservation of Momentum combined with the CF\CP thing and the functions of leverage to control the reactive force interaction, not so sure I would call it a Rate Of Change thing exactly but I think it is involved to some degree.


I shared that build with a friend while I was playing with the Skinner device and noticed a few interesting CP interactions, thinking that that device, if it worked, most likely did not use gravity per say as the actual input but as a control point.  That build was the last one I tried following that thread, I did not post that device on the forum.




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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2018, 06:12:12 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2018, 04:08:03 PM »
Here I changed the mass value of 4 parts to a much lower value.


The output is now down to approx. 2000J per revolution.

 

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