Author Topic: Mars terraforming with atomic bombs (Read 7578 times)

franco malgarini · « **on:** November 30, 2015, 07:17:33 PM »

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To quickly raise the temperature of Mars' atmosphere enough to uncork its dormant volcanoes with atomic bombs in our arsenal!
And I do not say it's dangerous because on Earth, since 1945, were detonated 2,400 atomic bombs ....

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Paul-R · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2015, 07:22:11 PM »

Quote from: franco malgarini on November 30, 2015, 07:17:33 PM

And I do not say it's dangerous because ...

Who's saying it's dangerous? It is pointless and expensive.

franco malgarini · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2015, 07:53:04 PM »

But this terraforming is very quickly: in 50 years we have a new abitable planet...

marathonman · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2015, 08:51:17 PM »

The Cosmos did it with just electricity and Magnetism..... imagine that !

franco malgarini · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2015, 09:50:22 PM »

the gas and dust of the volcanoes create an atmosphere and heat the air for greenhouse effect.
Also we would eliminate these weapons from the earth and we would use them for a useful purpose ...

lumen · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2015, 04:47:09 AM »

What are you saying, turn our spears into plow shears!
Or just give me more space to breathe?

It might work temporarily but the planets atmosphere has collapsed once and would fail again over time.
I think you might need something like moving the moons closer to provide gravitational heating like earth but the tiny mars moons may not be enough.

PIH123 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 01, 2015, 06:24:35 AM »

Quote from: lumen on December 01, 2015, 04:47:09 AM

It might work temporarily but the planets atmosphere has collapsed once and would fail again over time.

Correct.

And for those who may think otherwise, this was mostly due to the size of Mars and the relative size of its moons.

The relatively small size results in significantly less gravity than on Earth (1/3) which allows most gasses to escape the atmosphere.
Also the small size and lack of gravitational deformation of the moons has allowed Mars to cool to a point where the core is mostly solid.
This means that Mars has very little magnetic field which results in little protection from extremely deadly solar/cosmic radiation.

Both of these reasons are insurmountable.

Terra-forming Mars is a pipe dream for the uneducated.

Pete

seychelles · « **Reply #7 on:** December 01, 2015, 08:14:00 AM »

the reason being that MARS DO NOT HAVE A STRONG MAGNETIC FIELD LIKE EARTH
TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM THE SUN CONSTANT BOMBARDMENT OF EJECTED SPECTRUM OF
ALL WAVELENGTHS OF HARM FULL RADIATION. SO FIRST TWO NUCLEAR POWERED ELECTROMAGNET
ONE IN ITS NORTH POLE AND THE OTHER IN IT SOUTH POLE. 2 TELETRANSPORTATION OF LIQUID
HYDROGEN FROM JUPITER TO MARS ATMOSPHERE .ONCE THERE LIGHTNING WILL DO THE REST
THERE WILL BE A BIG KABOOM AND THERE WILL BE ENOUGH WATER ON MARS TO FORM ALL THE
OCEANS.. THEN THE VOLCANOES WILL DO THE REST.

Nink · « **Reply #8 on:** December 01, 2015, 06:09:52 PM »

This is worse and the usual NASA moon walks, space probes and Mars rovers, We have now started outsourcing this to 3rd parties.
There will be an RFP for Mars Nuclear program SpaceX will win the RFP. SpaceX will do some great CGI work and provide some data and we will all sleep happily with thought it is now a balmy 90 degrees at the local mars beech and the taxpayers pays the bill.

franco malgarini · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2015, 07:21:26 PM »

Is it possible to move the satellite of Mars Deimos in synchronous orbit. The Martian day is 24.7 h, while the orbital period of Deimos is 30.4 h, then very close to synchronism.
Having a satellite fixed on the Martian sky you could build a large solar reflector, with aluminum Deimos, to heat a large Martian surface, for example the human outpost

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lumen · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2015, 08:14:00 PM »

Slow down the smaller moon and crash it into mars.
Mars mass would be closer to earth and likely contain a molten core from the impact.
Dust cloud would cause additional heating for many years.

Of course some debris could fly off and impact earth many years later, but one for all or none for all right!

PIH123 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2015, 08:29:00 PM »

Quote from: franco malgarini on December 01, 2015, 07:21:26 PM

move the satellite of Mars Deimos in synchronous orbit.

Let's be totally 100 percent irrational and say it was possible to "just" move the moon to where you want it.

How are you going to get around the fact that you need to add 6,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg or
6,400 Trillion Trillion tonnes of mass to the planet.
Without this, there can NEVER be enough gravity to hold the atmosphere to the surface.

I guess your next answer would be to crash Venus into it.
After all, if we can easily move a moon, then how hard can a planet be which is only 50 million or so miles away.

Franco, These are all very easily verified facts, if only you would bother to look them up
before posting your many fantasies.

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Just saw that while I was typing, Lumen posted about crashing the moon to add the mass.

Sorry, but we would need a mass 50,000,000 (50 million) times the size of the larger moon.

franco malgarini · « **Reply #12 on:** December 01, 2015, 08:53:42 PM »

Instead of fighting destructive wars humanity has to conquer lofty ideals, such as the colonization of space ...

PIH123 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2015, 10:12:29 PM »

Quote from: franco malgarini on December 01, 2015, 08:53:42 PM

Instead of fighting destructive wars humanity has to conquer lofty ideals, such as the colonization of space ...

Tell you what, I will jump up to Mars tonight carrying a few billion Nukes that I made in my garage this afternoon.
I will also take along 6,400 trillion trillion tonnes of rock in a backpack.

I won't need a spacesuit cause I will go SUPER fast and hold my breath.
Don't worry, I'll take along a bottle of water so I don't get dehydrated.

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What ? You don't think I can physically do that ?
Are you saying there just isn't enough available energy / fuel on earth to transport 6,400 trillion trillion tonnes of rock in to space and on to Mars.
And that it would only leave 1/7 th the mass of the earth left over which would cause total atmospheric loss here.
And that I still wouldn't have begun to re-melt the core of mars which would be required for a magnetosphere critical to habitation.

Well, I guess your ideals are not lofty enough then and that you would prefer to be fighting destructive wars.
What an inside the box thinker.

Pete

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