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Author Topic: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?  (Read 42539 times)

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2015, 11:57:33 AM »
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His average over time charted were .76V and .72mA  and Li Ion I googled appears to be 3.6V avg per cell and I used his 44mA calc so  EESD 73 versus Li Ion 158

What stands out for me is the assumption you can charge this linearly to a higher V / mA per cell than he did.  I will be honest 2.6V is the most I ever got from my cells and RMS cell dropped to 1.69V as soon as he put a load on it. 

I think PIH123 (Pete) also nailed it.  This test was for only 4 minutes.  We should really be testing for 1 hour and we can't just extrapolate this out. It appears EESD will need a lot more cells to produce same mAh.

I put the data here if people want to graph or check
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fh_XHSwy2w3UJ6WegG9vwrQbibTzgAjStSeYzTtlf5k/edit?usp=sharing

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Nink and Phil:

Please don't miss the forest for the trees.  The clip is clearly a total fail on the measurement side of things.  Therefore for me personally there is no point in really digging deeper into it.  It's more like the slate should be wiped clean and RMS should start over.  At least that's what I would do if I was in his shoes.  I am going to make some more technical comments to Brad for you to have a look at, but not too much.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2015, 12:30:15 PM »
OK,so here is some scientific info for you MH ;)

Watching the video ,and taking note of time,volts and current shown on RMS's video,and after many tests using different size capacitors,i can achieve the same discharge curve as RMS shows with his EESD by using a 25 farad cap discharging over a 10 ohm resistor. The voltage and current drop over the given time are within a micky wisker of each other. So it would seem that RMS's EESD capacity is very close to 25 farads. The thing i dont know is to what voltage RMS's EESD can be charged to,where as the 25 farad cap can be charged to 2.7 volt's. At 1.5 volts,the 25 farad cap will store 28.125 joules of energy,but at 2.7 volts,it will store 91.125 joules of energy.

Brad:

Like I just posted I am only going to make some limited technical points to you because the situation is so bad, he really should start over and try to make a credible measurement.

For starters, RMS's response to your comments to him about the problem are not confidence-inspiring:

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+TinManPower ok mate - thanks - but i didn't miss it - i just didn't highlight it as we were looking at capacity - but i take on board what you are saying

+TinManPower I was thinking about the voltage issue - but we are looking at electrolyte change i think to resolve that problem - i was thinking of organic carbonates - essentially as long as the capacity is there - we can do something about it - but that's just the way i see it

In fact the comments are bogus.  The man totally failed to make a measurement of the energy output of his device.  "Capacity" means "energy capacity."

For what it's worth, here is what I said to him about a day ago:

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+Robert Murray-Smith One more time Robert you have a serious serious problem in one of your clips.  Your measurement of your device in the clip "A Perspective On The B Type EESD" is completely out of whack. It's so bad that it is shocking.  I suggest that you review what you did, take down the clip, issue an apology clip, and then redo the test properly in a new clip.

He did not reply.

For making a ballpark measurement of the energy output of his device, it is an "RMS" thing, root mean square.  It's not the averages of the voltage and the current.

I can't be bothered myself, but here is how I would do it for his clip:  He makes a measurement over 240 seconds, 4 minutes.  You can just do manual integration on his multimeter data.  The test starts, you wait five seconds, and you note the voltage and the current.  You do that at 5 seconds, 15 seconds, 25 seconds, etc.  You will get an integration number for the energy output where every slice is 10 seconds wide.  That will be reasonably accurate.

Important technical note:  You can take every slice above and convert it into an "equivalent amp-10-seconds at 3.8 volts" if you want to.  Then add up all of the amp-10-second rectangles to get the total @ 3.8 equivalent volts over an integration time of four minutes.  To convert that into "real amp hours" you then have to spread out that four minutes of data over one hour.  That means you take your accumulated data over four minutes of data and divide by fifteen to get the real equivalent amp-hours @ 3.8 volts.

Then as a bare minimum you have to look at the error tolerance in his weight measurement for the active materials for his own device.  For one material he measures 0.070 grams for the bare paper.  Then he measures 0.075 grams with the paper and the material.  So let's say that is a +/- 20% error tolerance.  The measurements for the second material are 0.070 grams and 0.080.  So let's say that's a +/- 10% error tolerance.  He would have been much better off measuring both at the same time.  Let's just say the overall error tolerance is 25% for the weighing of the materials.

So, he probably has over measured the energy output from his cell by something like 5x to 8x.  Then throw in the 25% error  tolerance for the measurement of the weight of the active materials in his device and you can see that RMS has proven nothing.  He has not by any stretch of the imagination proven that his active materials have a higher energy density by weight than the active materials in a lithium-ion battery.

The clip should be deleted and he should start over.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2015, 12:45:54 PM »
93:

You need to go play with Seychelles.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2015, 12:58:54 PM »
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MH is correct.
I too like RMS and all he has done,but when it come's down to it,he(RMS) is just wrong on this one. His calculations are way out to lunch.

The thing is,he has totally forgot about the voltage-->there is no power with current alone.
So some quick and dirty calculations from his clip.
I see the average current over that 4 minutes of his EESD as being about 74mA,and an average voltage of around .94 volt's<--and this is taking into account that very quick 1.5 voltas at the start that dropped to 1.4 in about a second. So over that 4 minutes we had around 69.5mW of power flowing. Now,if we average that over an hour,we would have 69.5mW/15 =4.63 mWh <--can i do it this way MH,PW ?

Now if we look at the Li Ion battery. RMS states that it is an 1.1 amp hour battery=or something close to that. The voltage of those batteries is around 3.6v. Now,because we dont have a discharge time or current for that battery,we cant be to accurate with the amp hour discharge rate. But we can safely assume that it will be higher than the 74mA average that RMS discharged his cap at. So now we can calculate the power output over time for that Li Ion battery.
This will be 3.6 volts @ 74mA=266.4mW. Going by battery specs at the 1.1 amp hour rating,and the fact that we are only drawing 74mA,we could expect to draw that much power for around 14.8 hours.

So we have RMS EESD providing 4.63mWh for 1 hour,and the LI Ion providing 266.4 mW for say 14 hours. So for 1 hour,RMS EESD only provides 1.73% of that of the Li Ion battery-->over the 14 hours that is only .12% of the energy the LI Ion battery could supply.
Things dont look so good now.

 Edit: In saying all this,i have to admit that the capacity per weight volume is still very good.
Please see my next post
I did not question mh calculations.


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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2015, 01:08:25 PM »
You don't have the guts or character to admit that you are wrong when it is as plain as day.  And you damn well know that I know what I am talking about and if I make a mistake I will freely admit it.  Then you play a silly straw man game.  You are clearly the one that is trolling me.
I have made no claims. I simply object to the way you tear people down and asassinate their character because they made an error. And as he said all through the video the numbers don't matter because the numbers are still amazing.


Why not just point out the mistake as Brad has done and then let's get on with it. I don't object to your knowledge, just the way you deliver it sometimes.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2015, 01:51:37 PM »
I have made no claims. I simply object to the way you tear people down and asassinate their character because they made an error. And as he said all through the video the numbers don't matter because the numbers are still amazing.


Why not just point out the mistake as Brad has done and then let's get on with it. I don't object to your knowledge, just the way you deliver it sometimes.

This is true MH,and i am probably guilty of it my self some time's. But where as i may play a quick chorus,you punch out the whole tune.

The fact is,that now i have used a known value capacitor,and started with a known voltage across that capacitor before the start of the test,and a known voltage across that capacitor at the end of the test,we can then calculate how much energy was delivered to the load,or how much power was dissipated by that load. As the discharge voltage and current values were much the same as what RMS showed with his EESD,then it is safe to assume that we are within the ball park of calculating  the energy  his EESD delivered to the load. When we do it this way,there is no need for time interval measurements.

There is also the fact that ! regardless of the +/- 10% !(and remember, it could be the minus just as much as it could be the plus),the weight/volume ratio of the EESD to that of the super cap for energy storage is still 4x+ in favor of the EESD. As i used a controlled experiment that represented his values over time(or very very close to),then that is hard to argue against.

Brad.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2015, 01:56:43 PM »
I did not question mh calculations.

Sorry Jim,i didnt read far enough back to see what happened over a few posts. MH has this nack to make it sound like you are arguing over the measurements.
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You don't have the guts or character to admit that you are wrong when it is as plain as day.  And you damn well know that I know what I am talking about and if I make a mistake I will freely admit it.

-->!! That'll learn me !! :D

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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2015, 02:03:03 PM »
Mile high said , If you can't understand how to measure how much energy a battery can output into a load you may as well pack it all in right now. hahahah than mile high you need to pack it all in to a very low resistant load ... If the battery was 12 v than it fastest delivery time is 12 seconds but that is a battery not a capacitor. SO if the battery super exceeds that time than harmonic response of the material that makes up the load is contributing by means of EMF resonance. Each proton has a static charge that protects it from the electron fields. This static field can pick up oscillations from the quark field by the harmonics of 5ths..   

The cells must there for play a contribution to the input of energy to gain a sustain over the time the load is receiving its charge ! But these types of cells are super sensitive and could pick up 5ths from its environment ... A piano does this and there for is a very basic free energy system but its not an OU technology...

Each proton is 1kw of pure energy and you can take from it a tiny percentage of that energy and when you switch the load off it will recharge it self......... Now is that not what is almost happening here ??? hahahah wow ! Its ok the life cycle of a proton is 36 billion years but that is depending on when it was first constructed ! Let alone if it has been through more than say 10 000 super nova's or picks up a constant from the plank level or is drip feed from the radiation leaking from a star or black hole....


But lets take another look at electrons ! They are spinning at there event horizon at 5.5 million MPH and will be influenced to rise by green light ! Not forgetting that a single electron has the same square of charge to that of its proton . So the electron it self hold quite a punch and will also re charge from the ambient. How much energy was you thinking of releasing >  ?  <  ... In one tiny tea spoon of water is equal to one atomic bomb dropped on japan ... And for anyone who knows this all ways exspect there will be many ways to tap into free energy. The man has not made any error and obviously knows what he is doing and he is honest so if there is error and I cant see it than state it in the manor it is presented.

Always remember at the point of contact there is resonance ! and where there is resonance there is a possibility for an extension of unity but never ever over unity ............... sorry .!




   





   



 


   

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2015, 02:39:21 PM »
Guys, please lets not throw RMS under the bus.  We all get excited about our own inventions and do not take as critical a view on our own as we would of others (no one has an ugly baby). I did point out to RMS in a positive way the need to include all the data and he was very open in his response.  See top comment on his video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-aOPQ9_MyM

My Post.
"Assuming you can coat this multiple times and it will increase 1g & 178 mA every time you dip, and drop at the same rate, and your peak charge is 1.69V per g (Started at 2.7 but dropped to 1.69V when load attached, you need 33 coats of your product to = the coat of Li-Ion. so your total weight is EESD .33g compared to Li-Ion .455g. I am not overly confident it will scale this much (need to demonstrate) so you may need multiple EESD cells to every Li-Ion and take into account weight of substrate and separators in calcs. Data is here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fh_XHSwy2w3UJ6WegG9vwrQbibTzgAjStSeYzTtlf5k/edit?usp=sharing"

RMS Response.
"I am not sure it will scale that way exactly either mate - so the very next thing we need to do is a scaled version - which is what i am working on right now - nice spreadsheet incidentally"


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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2015, 03:01:33 PM »
I am right ...... Its the most important thing to learn in free energy and there is no OVER UNITY ... JUST FREE ENERGY..!

 In this case with the cells there is something going on that is of interest but it does not calculate to what people want it to ... ........ Now how does that happen ?

The other way is with a negative charge into a small set of capacitors via a 22 watt transformer that has been swiped with a ferrite magnet ........ You tap the transformer at the primary coil yet you connect the capacitors to the secondary coil and you may need to use just one diode ............. To confirm your negative charge into the capacitor connect it to the battery and it will blow up hahahahah




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... Now the battery trick hahahah the battery can just charge its self up every time ! Its secret is in how you discharge it ......... 12V AT A 1 AMP hour limit has a maximum 12 second discharge rate ! A second is in fact an imperial number and not a metric number and all imperial numbers are harmonic ......... Its the law of nature and all electrical energy belongs to it !

Now see here hahahahahahaha,this is where you are going belly up like many others,in not knowing the difference between a surface charge and a deep charge when it comes to batteries.

 
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The thing is you guys don't know what a 5th is and that is why you are not getting anywhere !

The opposite is actually true. Most of my friends normally end up with a 5th of what they had when the wife up and leaves. It was the removal of the 4/5th of what they had that now has them going no where :D

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Mile high is searching for any way he can to find a loop on his pancake coils but there the wrong coils hahahahha

What are you talking about hahahaha ?

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There is so much free energy in the most basic of systems I cant begin to calculate it . All you have to go on is youtube and historic data and a lot of miss adventures in the field

Or go and buy a solar panel.

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I see no error in this mans work ! He has discharged into a system yet he finds he still has volts


We also see he did not fully discharge the cell.

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Ok and these volts at first seem to have no power but give it a few hours and the batteries will have some amps back

Well that dose not make much sense,but are you referring to recovery energy,where the chemicals in the battery cool,and the heat is converted into a small amount of energy that is then once again stored in the battery?. Some of the chemical energy is converted into heat energy when current is drawn from the battery,and when the chemicals cool,the heat energy is returned as chemical energy.

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Also leave the battery drain out but the volts will still show as normal or at least half the volts you started with and it will pull up the amps but if you add your negative cap to the negative of the battery the battery will charge to normal hahahahha

No need to charge a battery ever again hahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha !
I told you I don't do drugs !

Are you sure hahahahahahhahahhahahahha ?

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Its best to isolate that your self and I do it in 2 ways one with a small universal motor say from a tile cutter 500 watt with added neo and ferrite magnets and tap it from a battery ..... But tap it in the 5th scale note of the frequency that the motor is spinning ! Do this for an hour than ground the negative of the battery to earth and the battery will charge it self up hahahhahahahah
I told you I don't do drugs

Well maybe a little happy gas  :o

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2015, 03:05:54 PM »
I am right ...... I told you I don't do drugs ! The thing is you guys don't know what a 5th is and that is why you are not getting anywhere ! Its the most important thing to learn in free energy and there is no OVER UNITY ... JUST FREE ENERGY..! There is so much free energy in the most basic of systems I cant begin to calculate it . All you have to go on is youtube and historic data and a lot of miss adventures in the field... Now the battery trick hahahah the battery can just charge its self up every time ! Its secret is in how you discharge it ......... 12V AT A 1 AMP hour limit has a maximum 12 second discharge rate ! A second is in fact an imperial number and not a metric number and all imperial numbers are harmonic ......... Its the law of nature and all electrical energy belongs to it !

Mile high is searching for any way he can to find a loop on his pancake coils but there the wrong coils hahahahha In this case with the cells there is something going on that is of interest but it does not calculate to what people want it to . I see no error in this mans work ! He has discharged into a system yet he finds he still has volts .. Ok and these volts at first seem to have no power but give it a few hours and the batteries will have some amps back ........ Now how does that happen ? Its best to isolate that your self and I do it in 2 ways one with a small universal motor say from a tile cutter 500 watt with added neo and ferrite magnets and tap it from a battery ..... But tap it in the 5th scale note of the frequency that the motor is spinning ! Do this for an hour than ground the negative of the battery to earth and the battery will charge it self up hahahhahahahah

The other way is with a negative charge into a small set of capacitors via a 22 watt transformer that has been swiped with a ferrite magnet ........ You tap the transformer at the primary coil yet you connect the capacitors to the secondary coil and you may need to use just one diode ............. To confirm your negative charge into the capacitor connect it to the battery and it will blow up hahahahah

Also leave the battery drain out but the volts will still show as normal or at least half the volts you started with and it will pull up the amps but if you add your negative cap to the negative of the battery the battery will charge to normal hahahahha

No need to charge a battery ever again hahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha !









 



 










 

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2015, 04:24:43 PM »
i can achieve the same discharge curve as RMS shows with his EESD by using a 25 farad cap discharging over a 10 ohm resistor. The voltage and current drop over the given time are within a micky wisker of each other. So it would seem that RMS's EESD capacity is very close to 25 farads. The thing i dont know is to what voltage RMS's EESD can be charged to,where as the 25 farad cap can be charged to 2.7 volt's. At 1.5 volts,the 25 farad cap will store 28.125 joules of energy,but at 2.7 volts,it will store 91.125 joules of energy.

The other differences are
1-my 25 farad cap weighs some 16 times that of the EESD in total,
2-the super cap would be a lot more expensive to buy,than it would be to make the EESD.
3-If the EESD were lifted to the weight volume of that of the super cap-->in other words,we would have 16 of his EESD's charged to 1.5 volts,then the capacity would exceed that of the super cap by a factor 5x-or very close to,when the super cap was charged to the full 2.7 volts.

Things we still need to know
1-Cycle life of the EESD
2-safety issue's-like,will they catch fire if the load is too heavy :D
3-how fast can they be charged before heat destroys them.

Great research Tinman and appreciate the comparison with a 25 Farad cap. I believe the major challenge is with the Li-Ion comparison.  This is probably where we have the biggest gap.
Things we still need to knpow for B type EESD
1-Does Increased density of material increase storage (mA or V)
2- Total Weight of EESD cell (Seperator, cathode anode)
3-Storage time - how long till self discharge

and also your items for C- Type EESD
4- Peak Volt and Amp charge per cell
5-Cycle life
6-Safety will my car explode :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3G2ZWiEXXI

I believe the graphene super capacitor challenges can be solved but from a battery EESD perspective the gap appears to be very large. Perhaps the solution will be a Lithium graphene battery taking advantage of the storage density of Li-Ion and the fast charging properties of graphene supercaps.


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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2015, 04:33:50 PM »
Great research Tinman and appreciate the comparison with a 25 Farad cap. I believe the major challenge is with the Li-Ion comparison.  This is probably where we have the biggest gap.
Things we still need to knpow for B type EESD
1-Does Increased density of material increase storage (mA or V)
2- Total Weight of EESD cell (Seperator, cathode anode)
3-Storage time - how long till self discharge

and also your items for C- Type EESD
4- Peak Volt and Amp charge per cell
5-Cycle life
6-Safety will my car explode :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3G2ZWiEXXI

I believe the graphene super capacitor challenges can be solved but from a battery EESD perspective the gap appears to be very large. Perhaps the solution will be a Lithium graphene battery taking advantage of the storage density of Li-Ion and the fast charging properties of graphene supercaps.

I believe that the original term-ultra capacitor, was for the capacitor/battery hybrid.
They were getting around 4000 farads with a 12 volt potential in something the size of a AA battery. I believe you can buy these on ebay,and i think they were for car audio systems.

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2015, 05:33:42 PM »
I have made no claims. I simply object to the way you tear people down and asassinate their character because they made an error. And as he said all through the video the numbers don't matter because the numbers are still amazing.

Why not just point out the mistake as Brad has done and then let's get on with it. I don't object to your knowledge, just the way you deliver it sometimes.

You are still playing straw man.  I don't tear people down and assassinate people's characters, stop saying it.  However, sometimes saying something in strong terms is a proportional response to the situation.  If your daughter was brought to the emergency and she needed blood and the doctor on staff wasn't aware that there are different blood types you would be pretty freaked out, aghast, and you would not want that "doctor" going anywhere near your daughter, right?  You might want to sue the hospital.  Well, if you are in the business of making battery cells and you are a director of a company, presumably in a technological capacity, that pitches new higher-energy-density battery cells and you completely fail to demonstrate competence in measuring the energy in your own cells, that's a pretty damn serious issue, don't you think?  The data as incorrectly presented  might be exaggerating the energy density by weight by 5X, 8X, or even higher.  That's a pretty serious problem, don't you think?

The numbers are NOT amazing, why are you saying that?  I just posted that the data as presented may show that he has no advantage over lithium-ion cells by wright, none.

Here is what Simon Derricutt stated about the issue on Revolution-Green:

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MH - at 17:42 on that video it seems he's calculating on mAh/kg where he should be using mWh/kg. With a 3.8V Lithium battery and a maximum voltage of the EESD of 1.3V going down to around 200mV, with power varying as V², he's overstating the energy stored in the EESD by around 100 times and instead of being around 7 times the energy-density of Lithium cell it's instead around 1/14th of it. This is around what we predicted.That V² rule fools a lot of people. I'm however a bit surprised that RMS is getting it wrong. Could be one of those Doh! moments when he sees the mistake.
I haven't been following OU recently, so didn't see the responses.

Hey Jim, did you notice that for three or four postings that Atommix93 is attacking me and calling me all sorts of nasty names?  How come you have nothing to say about that?

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Re: A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?
« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2015, 06:16:19 PM »
So regardless of the mistakes you and i picked up on,it would still seems that the EESD exceeds todays super caps per weight volume by a factor of 5.

So now what?.

I would say to you, "so now nothing" until RMS can present credible data.  All bets are off.

All of you guys need to understand the scientific method and how the burden is on your shoulders to get it right.

I watched one of RMS's capacitor clips and he made a big claim about the size of the capacitor.  I asked him for measurements to back up his claims and he balked and got very testy.

Then I think you rode off of one of his clips and claimed that you made a 2600 farad capacitor.  But you didn't make measurements either.  I made a really quick and dirty estimate of the average charging power required based on your claim of 2600 farads and the amount of time it took you to charge the capacitor, which was something like a few minutes.   I calculated that the average charging power would have to be 20 watts.

Now think about that.  You have a super cap.  If the cap voltage is 0.2 volts you have to be pumping in 100 amps to be putting 20 watts of power into the cap.  If the cap voltage is 0.5 volts then you have to be pumping in 40 amps.  In the clip, if I recall correctly, you do charge the capacitor, and there no sense that the drain on the power supply is anything like that.

Just by eyeballing what you did in your clip, and making the roughest dirtiest paper napkin calculations, my conclusion was your claimed 2600 farads farads for the capacitor you made yourself is way way off.  Plus I saw no measurements and if you were hitching a ride on RMS's coattails to make an inference about the value of your own capacitor, then it's a no-go as far as I am concerned.

One day, you should make a serious measurement on your claimed 2600 farad capacitor.  You might be in for a surprise.  The whole mindset has to be trained to make serious measurements when you make your own components.  It's simply the right way to do things.  Don't hitch on anybody else's coattails because you believe your device is similar to theirs, or something like that.  Always make proper measurements yourself.

MileHigh

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