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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2015, 10:42:00 AM »
I have got a question here. 


Energy is capacity to do work and this capacity is exhausted by doing work.   But how the work is done? Work is done by applying force on a body changing its state of rest or uniform motion.  But force always happens in pairs. Which is, when you apply force on anything in one direction,  an equal force has to be exerted on a support in opposite direction.  When you push a car by your hands in one direction,  your legs push the earth in opposite direction.  Since earth cannot move in opposite direction,  only car moves forward.

Human body is flexible.  So,  when you push a car, your body should fall back in the absense of a internal supporting force.  But practically this doesnot happen. So,  what provides internal support to the body preventing it from falling back?

Does it mean that human body is unscientific which doesnot obey Newton's third law?  Do we apply force by hand or through mind? Psyche?  or spirit??

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2015, 10:52:28 AM »
Quote moro:"Sometimes, we don't necessarily need to know how something works. We only need to have appreciation  that things are designed in such a way that we benefit from the way it all works together."

True but this does not mean that we should not dig deeper as we've been doing all through history.we've come to a point where we have to examine our questions rather than answers and I think that a lot of our questions are thwarting further knowledge and need immediate ammendment

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2015, 02:24:51 PM »
Just to let you know the earth has its own power system and it is power by water from the sea.
Fusion reactor inside the earth due to extreme pressure of the earth crest and fuel by heavy water
exhaust helium 3.. that is why there is a lot of helium 3 released when there is an earth quake .

I think you will find that it is the gravitational pull on the earth from the moon that causes friction that causes the heat within the core. The earth plates are being pulled and distorted by the gravitational pull from the moon,and this creates large amounts of friction,which creates large amounts of heat. Part of this may be caused by the tide's-i am not sure on that one.

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2015, 04:32:28 PM »
And TINMAN why is the earth still spinning after its primordial being. Well
the earth is a massive magnet-- pulse motor and the power pulser is our darling sun.
And what if i tell you we are all sunshine what would you say i am crazy.
If there is no sun there is no life. And you know of course  that we are all
physically a few billion years old, why because we are the remnant of an extinct
star and planets.. And if i tell you that you are 80 % water and what is our brain
made of h2o, where is of memories stored , water the magic sacred simplicity
of hydrogen and oxygen..Now all this happens by it sweat little self you can call
me DON KIOTE OF LA MANCHA.. AND BY THE WAY IT IS VERY EASY TO FIND IF
someone out there think like me just GOOGLE SEARCH WHY IS SUCH A RARE
ELEMENT AS HELIUM3 IS FOUND IN ABUNDANCE JUST BEFORE OR AFTER AN EARTH QUAKE.

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2015, 04:40:48 PM »
BY the way helium is the second element on the elementary table .
 under great gravitation and earth mantle pressure the hydrogen
in deuterium which is h3o is upgraded to helium3 and a massive amount
of heat energy is generated.

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2015, 04:50:06 PM »
TECHNOLOGY OR SO CALL FREE ENERGY IS NOT GOING TO BE OUR SALVATION
BUT OUR MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT IN OUR MORALITY IS GOING TO
BE OUR SALVATION. AND I AM SO VERY SORRY BUT I CAN SEE THAT
HAPPENING VERY SOON. I will give you all a riddle that most of
 humanity have failed on WHAT IS SO EASY TO DO AND YET SO HARD TO
PRACTICE OR DO.. IT IS THE ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT. LOVE YOUR
EVERY LIVING ENTITIES AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF AND LOVE YOUR GOD
WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT. 

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2015, 09:20:00 PM »
except Earth is not a magnet  :P

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2015, 12:17:18 AM »
Quote moro:"Sometimes, we don't necessarily need to know how something works. We only need to have appreciation  that things are designed in such a way that we benefit from the way it all works together."

True but this does not mean that we should not dig deeper as we've been doing all through history.we've come to a point where we have to examine our questions rather than answers and I think that a lot of our questions are thwarting further knowledge and need immediate ammendment

Yes. It's why I have the understanding I do now.

I think you will find that it is the gravitational pull on the earth from the moon that causes friction that causes the heat within the core. The earth plates are being pulled and distorted by the gravitational pull from the moon,and this creates large amounts of friction,which creates large amounts of heat. Part of this may be caused by the tide's-i am not sure on that one.

True, an earth sized ball of atoms is not massive enough to become self sustaining at heat production, like a star is. So most of the internal heat in the earth definitely comes from friction due to the Earth/Moon tug of war. Also, Tides are gradually slowing the spin of the earth and moving the moon to a higher orbit (about an inch a year).

BY the way helium is the second element on the elementary table .
 under great gravitation and earth mantle pressure the hydrogen
in deuterium which is h3o is upgraded to helium3 and a massive amount
of heat energy is generated.

The first element on the Periodic Table is Hydrogen. But nobody seems to mention that it too is likely in production in the stars. After all, ALL matter and energy are exchangeable, as atoms are made from sub particles. Why else would it still be so abundant. Likely, anti Hydrogen is produced too. (though it would have a very short life within a non-antimatter star, and produce lot of heat).

I have got a question here. 

Human body is flexible.  So,  when you push a car, your body should fall back in the absense of a internal supporting force.  But practically this doesnot happen. So,  what provides internal support to the body preventing it from falling back?

Does it mean that human body is unscientific which doesnot obey Newton's third law?  Do we apply force by hand or through mind? Psyche?  or spirit??

The atoms throughout your body are held in place by charge forces. These charge forces generate heat when flexed (friction). Take a paper clip bend it back and forth in one spot. Then feel that spot. Ask yourself: Why did it get hot?

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2015, 01:37:00 AM »

The atoms throughout your body are held in place by charge forces. These charge forces generate heat when flexed (friction). Take a paper clip bend it back and forth in one spot. Then feel that spot. Ask yourself: Why did it get hot?


All machines have atoms but what provides the support?  Can you drill a hole in the wall using a drilling machine without supporting the drilling machine despite consuming electricity from the mains?

What provides support to the human body while doing work when you consider the entire body as one unit of a biological machine?




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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2015, 02:36:25 AM »
All machines have atoms but what provides the support?  Can you drill a hole in the wall using a drilling machine without supporting the drilling machine despite consuming electricity from the mains?

What provides support to the human body while doing work when you consider the entire body as one unit of a biological machine?

I am not real sure if I understand what you are asking. But, consider a piece of steel (the paper clip for example). Even though to us it seams to be 'solid', the space between those atoms is enormous compared to the size of the atoms themselves. Those atoms though are all 'locked' in a certain arrangement by charge forces .  You as a human also have atoms 'locked' in a certain arrangement by charge forces. Pound for pound bone is stronger than steel. Your bones support your flesh. Your flesh more weakly supports whatever your holding. You can overcome these forces and break steel, bone or flesh, just like you can pull magnets apart. Everything around you is held together and separated by comparatively week or comparatively strong charge forces.

Charge forces generate heat when undergoing acceleration or declaration. Extreme gravity, as in the case of a star will cause an extreme acceleration condition for atom held in place by the atoms 'below' them.  So, heat is generated.

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2015, 05:38:38 AM »
I think the general people over complicate things by trying to feel like they poses the one and true answer. This comes from believing that there is no one out there that knows more than they know NOR that no one out there will learn more (“evolve”) past their knowledge. This mentality is the downfall of the great coming up 6th extinction...remember EVOLUTION...applies to humans as to all animals and plants…. even time. Reminded me of this as well http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/

So having said that, all of the stars give energy because the space is cold, very very cold. So there is intelligence in outer space that has, after trillions of years (or who knows what number of years), figured out that light will make space grow bigger. So in a sense, the starts are like a camp fire...but what is keeping the fire lit? Well one needs to put more wood (cold material) on the camp fire to keep it burning. SO stars are the same way, they need “wood” to keep on burning. The wood comes from the dark areas. But the space is crazy with light/fires….some only last .0001 second others last for billions of years. Still, there is a back and forth PHENOMENA that the start gets “wood” from the dark areas and the star provides energy back...it's a zig zag of give and take because if you where to put a star in a sealed glass ball, it would die out right away just like a candle light inside a glass jar. HECK! Maybe the sun's food are the planets orbiting around it? SINCE THEY ARE HUGE! We cannot comprehend that based on our 12 hour clock. But like I said before, there is no way in hell to prove that in a lab..so it stays in math predictions and just theories.

But energy is there for FREEE. ...the energy inside the earth is the MOST important to understand of them all.

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2015, 03:19:47 AM »
I think the general people over complicate things by trying to feel like they poses the one and true answer. This comes from believing that there is no one out there that knows more than they know NOR that no one out there will learn more (“evolve”) past their knowledge. This mentality is the downfall of the great coming up 6th extinction...remember EVOLUTION...applies to humans as to all animals and plants…. even time. Reminded me of this as well http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/

So having said that, all of the stars give energy because the space is cold, very very cold. So there is intelligence in outer space that has, after trillions of years (or who knows what number of years), figured out that light will make space grow bigger. So in a sense, the starts are like a camp fire...but what is keeping the fire lit? Well one needs to put more wood (cold material) on the camp fire to keep it burning. SO stars are the same way, they need “wood” to keep on burning. The wood comes from the dark areas. But the space is crazy with light/fires….some only last .0001 second others last for billions of years. Still, there is a back and forth PHENOMENA that the start gets “wood” from the dark areas and the star provides energy back...it's a zig zag of give and take because if you where to put a star in a sealed glass ball, it would die out right away just like a candle light inside a glass jar. HECK! Maybe the sun's food are the planets orbiting around it? SINCE THEY ARE HUGE! We cannot comprehend that based on our 12 hour clock. But like I said before, there is no way in hell to prove that in a lab..so it stays in math predictions and just theories.

But energy is there for FREEE. ...the energy inside the earth is the MOST important to understand of them all.

This is exactly why you should use JB Weld.  I could not have said this better myself.

Bill

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Re: where does energy come from
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I think the general people over complicate things by trying to feel like they poses the one and true answer. This comes from believing that there is no one out there that knows more than they know NOR that no one out there will learn more (“evolve”) past their knowledge. This mentality is the downfall of the great coming up 6th extinction...remember EVOLUTION...applies to humans as to all animals and plants…. even time. Reminded me of this as well http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/

So having said that, all of the stars give energy because the space is cold, very very cold. So there is intelligence in outer space that has, after trillions of years (or who knows what number of years), figured out that light will make space grow bigger. So in a sense, the starts are like a camp fire...but what is keeping the fire lit? Well one needs to put more wood (cold material) on the camp fire to keep it burning. SO stars are the same way, they need “wood” to keep on burning. The wood comes from the dark areas. But the space is crazy with light/fires….some only last .0001 second others last for billions of years. Still, there is a back and forth PHENOMENA that the start gets “wood” from the dark areas and the star provides energy back...it's a zig zag of give and take because if you where to put a star in a sealed glass ball, it would die out right away just like a candle light inside a glass jar. HECK! Maybe the sun's food are the planets orbiting around it? SINCE THEY ARE HUGE! We cannot comprehend that based on our 12 hour clock. But like I said before, there is no way in hell to prove that in a lab..so it stays in math predictions and just theories.

But energy is there for FREEE. ...the energy inside the earth is the MOST important to understand of them all.


MY theory about where the suns gets its wood is as such. In the center
of every galaxy there are massive black holes
and they are all perpetually gobbling up all the stars and
 planets close to it and all that matter ends up traveling
faster than the speed of light and ends up manifesting all
these matter into pure energy which are the stars..our darling sun
So the stars are the arsed end of the massive black hole in every galaxy.

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2015, 07:48:51 AM »
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MY theory about where the suns gets its wood is as such. In the center
of every galaxy there are massive black holes
and they are all perpetually gobbling up all the stars and
 planets close to it and all that matter ends up traveling
faster than the speed of light and ends up manifesting all
these matter into pure energy which are the stars..our darling sun
So the stars are the arsed end of the massive black hole in every galaxy.

I don't think that is the case because everything the “black hole” would “spit” out, would spit it out way farther than the galaxy….so nothing the black hole spits out would “feed” the sun of any energy. The sun has to be fed from dark energy/matter from the surroundings. If you look at the NASA videos of the surface of the sun, you can see how the plasma explodes from the surface BUT also, you can see how matter goes back in from the outer space surroundings. Look at NASA videos of the surface of the sun using video filters...green, blue, yellow...and you can clearly see ENERGY coming in from the outside to the sun.

By the way seychilles, you are a religious person? Have you ever thought that a GOD knows how to build galaxies? Just like any human in this earth can build a wood table from trees, have you thought of a GOD that can build galaxies from outer space “wood”? This means that our creator can build galaxies just like a human can build houses. The bible has many teachings that hold true. Humans do not learn from the inside out, they learn from the outside in. Everything that ALL humans know are teachings from an outside ENERGY. It is not from an inside energy. It CANNOT! So who is this entity that is being a teacher? Even the planets have a geometrical pattern of balance. When you take a look at telescopes and watch asteroids crash on the sun, you can kind of see that the asteroids play a BIG role in fueling the sun for energy! Some escape, but you can see how the rocks “fuel” the sun...like “wood” on a camp fire….but we are still left with the question...why is the DNA to do that there? Is nothing STUPID! There is the law that makes it happen! The universe is not happening out of stupidity! There is order and DNA how it should happen. Even if there is a massive black hole in the center of the galaxy, it is not stupid since all galaxies would have such a black holes...that means if all have them then it's a DNA law! That means, either there is a creator of galaxies that is managing how galaxies are born and die or the planets themselves are “smart” enough to know what to do! Or the black hole is enslaving them to do that! But if the black holes enslave them, then black holes are farming galaxies? Which gives them “intelligence” since they would do it on purpose to keep on living?

Lol, you see seychelles, how things get complicated but yet easy to understand! The sun has awareness! The moon has awareness. The galaxy has awareness. The black holes have awareness! Who is the one that rules and manages ALL of this awareness? Give me a theory? :) 8)

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Re: where does energy come from
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2015, 11:32:47 AM »
Energy simply comes from   movement. 8)