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Author Topic: Sharing ideas on how to make a more efficent motor using Flyback (MODERATED)  (Read 350077 times)

truesearch

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@shylo:


Maybe I'm not understanding your magnet set up completely, but it reminds me of Flynn's switchable / parallel fux path device.


Isn't it simular to this?


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@shylo:


Maybe I'm not understanding your magnet set up completely, but it reminds me of Flynn's switchable / parallel fux path device.


Isn't it simular to this?


trueseach

shylo has most likely based his design after I shared this video from the previous page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VlhMI5tv5Y

The operating principle is explained and demonstrated in my video.

Shylo has tried to replicate it with ceramic magnet instead of an Alnico. However, as I have explained above it won't give the best results.

Luc

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Hi truesearch, Luc is correct ,I simply tried his test but,I don't have any Alnico's.
What are these Alnico commonly used in, I would like to salvage some.
Verpies, thanks for that info good to know.
Luc in the setup I had the ends of the I's have a constant field when the coil is powered the field reverses,but it doesn't shut off.
Your's shuts off the field or should I say blocks it?
Just wondering why yours shuts off whereas my just flips?
Think I'll try it without the neo but then basically it's just an electro-magnet right?
Thanks artv

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Hi truesearch, Luc is correct ,I simply tried his test but,I don't have any Alnico's.
What are these Alnico commonly used in, I would like to salvage some.
Verpies, thanks for that info good to know.
Luc in the setup I had the ends of the I's have a constant field when the coil is powered the field reverses,but it doesn't shut off.
Your's shuts off the field or should I say blocks it?
Just wondering why yours shuts off whereas my just flips?
Think I'll try it without the neo but then basically it's just an electro-magnet right?
Thanks artv

I thought I explained why your results are not so good in this post: http://overunity.com/16167/sharing-ideas-on-how-to-make-a-more-efficent-motor-using-flyback-moderated/msg479140/#msg479140
Basically your neo is too large and your ceramics are too weak.

Alnico magnets are not commonly used. You will have to buy them. Here is the one I purchased: http://www.ebay.com/itm/172050785362

Luc

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...Basically your neo is too large and your ceramics are too weak...
We don't understand why this would cause his poles to switch as shylo claims.

If the neo is too large and the ceramics too weak, then we would expect the poles to stay in the same place and not switch sides. The poles from the neo might be a little weaker as some neo flux is channeled through the ceramics, but the dominate poles from the neo shouldn't be able to change positions.

The only way I see the poles switching are if the ceramics were able to over power the neo or the neo its self is being switched. Both of which shouldn't be possible in shylo's set up. Perhaps shylo's neo is an alnico and he doesn't know it? He could test this easily enough by removing the ceramics and see if his coil switches his neo.

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...So shylo's device the I's are always magnetized because the Neo is overpowering and what I wrote previously...
I agree with all you wrote. However, not only are the I's always on but the strange part is that the polarity of the I's are switching.

He says it's a weak effect so I'll just chalk it up to a mystery of life.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2016, 10:59:51 PM by MagnaProp »

gotoluc

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We don't understand why this would cause his poles to switch as shylo claims.

If the neo is too large and the ceramics too weak, then we would expect the poles to stay in the same place and not switch sides. The poles from the neo might be a little weaker as some neo flux is channeled through the ceramics, but the dominate poles from the neo shouldn't be able to change positions.

The only way I see the poles switching are if the ceramics were able to over power the neo or the neo its self is being switched. Both of which shouldn't be possible in shylo's set up. Perhaps shylo's neo is an alnico and he doesn't know it? He could test this easily enough by removing the ceramics and see if his coil switches his neo.

Is it me that doesn't understand?

In shylo's device the neo is overpowering the ceramic magnets in both ways. They cannot store the neo's flux, because if they did this is the time the I's are NOT magnetized. When he tries to re-magnetize the ceramics, again they cannot repel the neo's flux as they are too weak as this would be the time the I's ARE magnetized.

So shylo's device the I's are always magnetized because the Neo is overpowering and what I wrote previously.
This is how I understand it to work, sylo is free to correct me if I don't understand.

I hopes to clear the confusion.

Luc

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I think the ends of the I's switch polarity, is due to the distance.
The field at the ends of the I's is considerably weaker than at the neo itself.
By powering the coil in the opposite polarity the neo's flux flips the ceramics poles and leaves a very weak opposite pole at the ends.
Not sure about that just what I think.
Luc is your magnet in the center of your coil (the Alnico) repelling or attracting to the I that is attached to your neo? My ceramics are attracted , if I try to place them in the repulsion mode the neo is too strong and they won't even stick to the I they just flip back to attraction.
artv

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Luc is your magnet in the center of your coil (the Alnico) repelling or attracting to the I that is attached to your neo? My ceramics are attracted , if I try to place them in the repulsion mode the neo is too strong and they won't even stick to the I they just flip back to attraction.
artv

Yes, as explained in the video the Alnico is the magnet in the center of the coil.

The operating principle is the same as a permanent magnet electromagnet flux gate. However, the difference here is, instead of the coils core to be Iron, it's an Alnico which get re-magnetizes by a single pulse of the coil and holds the magnetization without additional power.

You can consider it a latching permanent magnet flux gate.

Hope this makes it clears now?

Luc

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Dear Luc,

I was thinking about your system and I am afraid that the energy and power needed to demagnetise the ordinary magnet is of to overcome its own magnetisation PLUS the flux of the neo which is passing through (which would explain why so less efficiency).

Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if you would find similar result without an ordinary magnet but just a steel bar instead; at least you wouldn't have to overcome the flux of the ordinary magnet.

Regards,
Didier

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I think what you say may be the case Didier.

the concept is something Robert Murray Smith shared. After I posted the video demo he said he would do the power calculations to see if it's worth pursuing. Waiting for his results to further tests.

Luc

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Hello Dear Luc, thanks for your reply.

yeah, I am afraid indeed to be right :/

Do You have news now from Jim?

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Note:

I know You're much about HONEST Free Energy Quest; do You know the work of my Big Friend Kurt? "kdkinen" in YouTube.

Did You see his "wireless system"?

Would You be interested to replicate it and then completely explain it, up to now, he was not able, from my own point of view, to really explain what is going on?

When I say "to explain", I mean mathematically, been able to predict the results thanks to mathematical formulas which would demonstrate a True Accuracy in the understanding.

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Do You have news now from Jim?

I guess you mean Robert Murray Smith?... if so, no, he has not gotten back to me and it does not look like he has anything new about it.

Luc

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Re: Sharing ideas on how to make a more efficent motor using Flyback (MODERATED)
« Reply #853 on: December 09, 2016, 06:17:07 PM »
All we need to try is a solid state setup like this (in the attachment).

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Re: Sharing ideas on how to make a more efficent motor using Flyback (MODERATED)
« Reply #854 on: December 10, 2016, 01:25:38 AM »
All we need to try is a solid state setup like this (in the attachment).


Very nice design kEhYo77

Are you going to build it?

Thanks for sharing

Luc