@All,
  If anyone is wondering about this, ab hammer and pirate88179 don't want me building.
  My being successful would then make many things they have posted about me abuse. And
 as for me, while I can't prove it, I suspect that tinelkoala is a fraudulent account. Most people
 do not hide their faces, their education/work experience, etc.
  And as ab hammer has posted to me, I shouldn't reference my military service because I did learn about pumps,
 boilers, turbines and other processes that allows for a ship to move. And in building with the intent of demonstrating
 perpetual motion, it is relevant education and experience. I have more but for what I am building, it is relevant.
  And with some of what I am doing, being able to calculate load is important. It helps for a lot of other things to be
 considered. And while building, I have been harassed quite a bit. I think this is because perpetual motion is supposed to be impossible.
  Other wise I would think that working with others would not be a cause to be ridiculed.
 And if anyone reads pirate88179's Heron's Fountain thread, he accused me of talking trash when I told someone to follow his suggestion and build one for themselves. Not sure how that is trash talking but he says it is.

   @All,
  If anyone is wondering about this

All I am wondering is, about is why Stefan is letting this go on this long.

You had a working machine 3 years ago according to your various logins.
It would have cost you $20 to build this (according to you).
But you didn't have the money back then.
Then three years somehow magically went by.
What happened, never saw a $20 bill during that time?


Now you are working on another BT Wheel
 (which by the looks of it has cost you more than $20 so far to build/document.)

No proof. no shit, no nothing so far.


But if you are right, 3 of the more respected people on this site are idiots and you are what ?
Someone who cannot distinguish between sq and cubic inches?


While I might be forced to thank you for your service,
I thank god I don't have to rely on a DUMB ASS ex military like you for my technological future.


So, F*ck the military if they are anything like you.
And if they whine anything like your sorry ass, then f*ck them too.
We can do without the NAVY, Airforce, Army, Marines, Nat Guard etc
if any one of them are  anything like you.

BUT, I suspect that they are not.

And I don't think I will get a single negative reply to this post.

Apart from your lame ass reply of course.

unfortunately, there is a need for national defense systems. the defenders probably wish there was no need for them, humanity probably will never evolve beyond including sociopaths in the mix, so, yes, that explains the need for such unfortunate and costly protective measures.

So are you saying yes, people like ex-Navy Jimmy with his never ending negative attacks against his own, are good for us ?

Holy-F%ck, I hope not.

  deleted post.

i never wrote that, not intentionally anyhow, though its common to want to look at responses maybe from such an angle. at any rate, its possible to overlook some stuff about another persons character, as i have done while not knowing everything or much about a certain individual or party. heck i am sure its kept me from jail a few times when i could've allowed it to escalate, i don't think walking away from a fight is such a bad thing. there is usually some sort of previous injury that causes frustration leading a person to react poorly, and not everyone handles these things with enough sodium to what is supposed to be a normally amicable reduced stressed working or living environment. though offerings of violent resolution should not have to be allowed to lower property values nor their oocupants on same block. even if some neighbors are excellent procrastinators and seem in no real rush to finish projects or like to prefer seeing themselves as always right in their own frame of mind.
hopefully there is room for resolutions, were you's not friends at some point? i dunno maybe not. life is short.

  somanywires,
 I think the only mistake I made was wanting to work with someone. That seems to be about it so it would be my fault for not sitting home and showing where 3 members in this part of the forum are skeptics themselves.
  and ab hammer knows I am smart. But he doesn't want to look bad working with me. that goes back to the skeptic part. Yet if what I do works, he wants some of the credit.
 And I do have a few advantages over most people in here. It's having taken classes in mechanical drawing, drafting, CATIA (3 dimensional interactive designing, at the time, only a handful of universities in the United States taught that and since I worked for the Boeing Airplane Co., I received a free education) and also working in machine shops, had to know all about blueprints.
 And this experience comes in handy when it comes to Bessler's drawings. I think I am the only person that spent a lot of time studying them.
 And I'll repost a simple and cheap perpetual motion concept. And if someone considers the math behind Heron's Fountain, then the attached design couldn't be any simpler.
 With Heron's Fountain, what has to do most with the height of the water coming out of it is the pressure head that is generating the air pressure. With water, every foot of elevation increases the psi by about 0.44 psi. Increase the pressure head by one foot, then the air pressure in the pressure in it increases from 14.7 psi to about 15.14 psi.
 With a pressure head of 3 feet, the air pressure in the fountain becomes about 16.02 psi. And since that is more than 14.7 psi, a fountain effect happens.
 And with the simple 2 weighted design, the weight expanding a cylinder is decreasing the pressure that would create resistance to the weight at the bottom has to over come to pump water upward into the other cylinder.
 Why nobody understands this, I can't say. But then has anyone been aware that the air pressure in a Heron's Fountain is determined by the pressure head filling it and by this I mean increasing the pressure by 0.44 psi per foot of elevation ?
 I would think if so, then with the simple 2 weight design, it's pretty much a no brainer and it could've been built years ago. And with skeptics, no real reason for them to consider something they don't think is possible, is there ?

  @Phi, this could probably be built for under $20. What I am working on is aimed towards being  a
 more professional builder. And I have been learning wood working. Simple reason, if something looks
 like a piece of junk, then it is a piece of junk.
 
edited to add; Phi, if someone wants credit for something, they do need to contribute something.
                  And it does frustrate ab hammer that since he is a private builder I am not willing to
                  work with him. While this is supposed to be an open forum, refusing to share information
                  goes against that concept it seems.
 

   @All,
   I hope it doesn't bother anyone if I post some math. with the 2 piston concept, if 2 - 1lb. weights are used,
  the pistons have an inside diameter of 3 inches, the following considerations show them selves;
   The pistons will have a surface area of 10.6 inches. If a cross over/riser pipe is 20 inches long and has an i.d. of 1 inch, then it's cross section has a surface area of 0.75 square inches. At 20 inches in length, it will hold 9 ounces
of water.
  The bellow at the bottom is a pressure type pump. With a 1lb. weight, it will apply 1.12 ounces of force on the water in the pipe. The weight trying to expand the top piston has it's full 1lb. of weight effecting the water in the pipe.
  Since the total force of 2 1lb. weights acting on the water in the pipe is 17.12 ounces., can it lift 9 ounces of water ?
 If this is possible, then as water moves into the top piston's cylinder adding it's own mass, will this increase the speed at which water is drawn into the cylinder that is above the level of the axle ?
  And as I mentioned, I doubt things could be any simpler than this. If someone were to spend a little time thinking about it, not sure on this because then everyone would be wondering how something like this has been over looked. And with me, I can't disagree with the math. I have done tests to understand the compression aspect of this. As for a weight opening a bellow type cylinder, I would hope it could lift something lighter than itself.

edited to change an abbreviation

   @Phi123,
  If the basic design I reposted works, then some people in here wouldn't be able
 to be the "boss" and I think with some people, being the "boss" is what they are about.
  And with me posting something like this, they might feel threatened. I would post a picture
 of my "shop" but it's nothing special. I have an 8 x 14 room to work in with some basic wood
 working tools. Learning wood working takes time as well as designing builds takes time.
  And with the basic design I just reposted, having some tools to use and experience using them
 makes a difference. As far as money goes, I've been broke but as I have repeatedly mentioned
 to ab hammer, I can't expect my situation to change if I don't work at it. And the complications I
 had from having had cancer were serious. At one point, I missed about a year and a half of work
 in a 4 year period. Also had multiple surgeries. But I have been doing what I can.
 I don't think I should be faulted for that.

Here is your biggest problem Lindgaard.
You try to use the sympathy card for what 6 years now?  You use it to try to get people to side with you in an argument which you start to try to get people to feel sorry for you.
Your physical problems or my physical problems have NOTHING to do with this quest so quit talking about them.
You seem to always feel sorry for yourself and blame others for your problems and you just need to look in the mirror to find your problem.

A simple solution.
Just talk wheel and don't talk about others. Don't start strings just to argue and slander with lies and deception. Don't keep saying others said this and that they didn't say this or that at all.
 It is only in your mind.