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Re: Simoscopy
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2016, 10:33:23 PM »
I changed the frame step to 0.001 so I could get a full cycle within the 32765 frames that the program will take.

Here are 4 runs on top of each other,, I chose to set them by the velocity,, top right graph,, to +,- 0.002 Degrees\sec

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« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2016, 02:52:25 AM »
Well,,  that was boring,,

Made a bunch of runs,, it takes like 5 minutes to do a run.

It is appearing to loose distance of travel,, but it does that and then kicks itself back up,, well that is on a lower accuracy,, less frames per second.

Another thing is the data file trick has an issue,, it doubles the entries,, so I had a run of 6 but the data file gave me 12.

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« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2016, 07:32:58 AM »
only 2.75 per cycle gain,,

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« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2016, 07:16:05 PM »
The only thing is that it is an ODS file with XLS added to the end,, it is way to big as an XLS,,

The only change is in the direction of applied spring force,,

I have one complete data run and then the same spring over the same range from the reversed force run.

What may not jump out is that either way it is a net zero condition,, the same energy in as the energy out,, but it is in the angle of rotation while the input is applied,, that is 163 degrees for one and 197 for the other, that is not,,,

Interesting :)


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Re: Simoscopy
« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2016, 04:10:47 PM »
Here is the raw data dump from the sim I am currently playing with.

This sim starts from a dead stop and so the first frame is the input torque from the motor to start rotation, then that motor is trying to maintain a constant rate of rotation and is thus taking energy out of the system.

So if you crunch the numbers please remove the first frame since if this was a complete sim the next step would have the system already in motion.

So,, this dump shows a gain of approximately 4.2kJ for 90 degrees of rotation.

I need to change a few little things and add some more to make it a continuous run sim,,

P.S.  the sim shows no errors.

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« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2016, 06:32:50 PM »
For those that like a little more accuracy,,

This is 104.95 degrees of rotation,, I only need 90 degrees to enable the system to shift over to the next drive condition,, so every 1\4 turn you would hear a rumble bump as it shifts :)

This can be designed so that any number over 4 could be used,, and that becomes the degree of rotation needed and the number of bumps per rotation.

This is 32300 frames,, or points for calculations.

Much more than this and I would run out of room within the sim to store the data,, that limit is 32675 frames.

This is powered by gravity,, the springs keep things in sync basically and are nothing but a cost.

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« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2016, 11:43:18 PM »
I thought all I needed to do was make a small adjustment,, well it is not so small and not as easy as I thought,, so for now,,

Never Mind :)

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« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2016, 05:46:33 PM »
Here is an interesting data set.

Long story short I made what should be a nice net zero system,, goofed up on the exact placement of parts and did a quick and cheap fix just to play.

I have 2 drive motors, one is a constant velocity motor on one side of the system and the other is a constant torque motor on the other, I was planning on having the constant velocity motor drive the system against the constant torque motor and that should of made for a perfect net zero conversion.

That did no happen, instead the constant torque motor is driving the system.

I have 2 springs that are Kx and are working in a conservative fashion and 1 damper to control the movement, this is of my quick and cheap fix,, so the output from the damper is not what it was there for.

I need to control and sync the cheap fix to the system and get rid of the damper, this should bring the system in to a stable oscillation with consistent results.

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« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2016, 07:53:00 PM »
Here is my first attempt,, just sort of stuck a motor on to control the "fix"

I increased the frame count so now it takes 20000 frames for one revolution of the constant velocity motor.

This one is almost as interesting as the other one but in the opposite way :)

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« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2016, 10:24:16 PM »
Here I shifted the control motor.

I still need to look into when and where I need to move the control part,, but I think that the difference between the 2 data sets shows that if the correct relationships were used and maintained that you could either burn up a lot of energy or gain a lot of energy via mechanical work performed.

Well that is providing that the control system does not eat everything up.

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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2016, 06:02:15 AM »
This is a "cherry picked" single cycle,, I did this due to the way some things change "how" they are working,, that is when they are on or off since I am not good with the scripts I have to take what I can get when I can get them to work how I want them :)

At the end of this one cycle all parts are back to where they started,, well except for the constant torque motor,, it has rotated only 6 something degrees,, at this point if I could have the ons and offs turned on and off just like they are at the start, the next cycle would then provide the exact same result.

I can also "choose" the correct setup to loose energy.

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« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2016, 07:11:30 AM »
I had to post this data set,,, the cost to reset is 1324J

I increased a Kx spring to 5kN and this caused the parts to reposition as such that that spring was not any where near as compressed as it was at the start,, so to re-compress that spring is the added cost.

With 2273J extracted I think it can reset the spring :)


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« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2016, 07:50:51 PM »
More fun with missing energy :)

I have been trying many things to make sure I get some kind of understanding as to what it is that is actually making things work,, it is interesting stuff :)

The rest length is .063m and the Kx is 5000N

I took the data for 1 frame past 360 degrees for the constant velocity motor.

This data set covers all the items there are.

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« Reply #73 on: March 23, 2016, 05:41:39 AM »
I have been playing around and used an alternate method of turning things on and off,, and with the other method used the system responds differently,, I still get most of what I have been but some of the parts have much more motion to them.

I think then that most of what the sim is showing me is another undetected "feature" of the software,, either the program or the OS.

I still can get it to loose a lot of energy,, but I can only get it up to a small gain.

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Re: Simoscopy
« Reply #74 on: March 23, 2016, 05:42:05 AM »
double post :)

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