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Re: Simoscopy
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2016, 08:03:48 PM »
Now this tweak is funny :)

The weight falling is slowing the wheel down,, the spring lifting the weight up is accelerating the wheel,,

That is funny :)

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Re: Simoscopy
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2016, 04:19:13 PM »
16.5 degrees per 1\2 cycle of input  @21Nm
68.5 degrees per 1\2 cycle of output @13Nm

These are torques of my latest testbed sim.

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Re: Simoscopy
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2016, 08:53:10 PM »
I have found unobtainium!

It comes in the form of a program glitch!

All this from turning the damper on and off :)

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« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2016, 11:37:20 PM »
Well,,the site does not like .ods files,,

Here is a sample of a data file I pulled from the sim,, I dump it into a spreadsheet and do some rough number crunching to get a ball park.


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« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2016, 10:36:13 PM »
Here is another excel kind of file :)

I like how it shows a gain, if you look at it you will see it,,

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« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2016, 10:36:13 PM »
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Re: Simoscopy
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2016, 10:51:09 PM »
Just to clarify,, it is showing a gain because the "flywheel" is slowly slowing down not because it IS a gain.

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« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2016, 09:49:25 PM »
And the sim is still accelerating.

311 rotations, 4 sets of sub-systems but I only grabbed the data from 1 set,, they are all supposed to be identical.

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« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2016, 08:10:20 AM »
Fixing things in the sim,, I am assuming that they are broke,, and I did find one irregularity that is now taken care of.

Here is just a screen-shot of the data from the latest run so far,, the system is still slowly accelerating so the numbers will change when it is running at a stable RPM,, it costs to accelerate,, so something has to pay the price :)

Also I have been playing with trying to "tune" the setup,, I found a small change in timing took the same values of inputs and took the RPM from going down to going back up,, hence I am still running it to get it into a stable and constant RPM.

Again I am only pulling from 1 set out of 4,, just using the 1 set on a full run time makes for a 5 meg file.

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« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2016, 07:50:26 PM »
Here is a short full meter sample.

I have organized the data and applied some basic energy calculations and totaled them up,, then I have started to play with the data to see what it is saying.

The systems are not running as balanced as I thought they would,, that is interesting, and yet not so unexpected since the systems interact with each other in a dynamic fashion.

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« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2016, 10:36:07 PM »
I ran a full 32,765 frames and did the same calcs and have a 24.7 meg file,, so here is a screen shot of the results.

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« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2016, 07:50:03 PM »
This is a simplified version of what I have been playing with,, same basic idea but only 1 system.

I ran it at a lower accuracy,, frames per second,, and had a 1.25% gain from it so I turned it up to a higher accuracy and this is what I got from it.

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« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2016, 05:44:37 PM »
I took the same basic sim,, one version on the server and one on the laptop.

I got one so it was running very stable as far as RPM goes,, then I set the other one to the same settings and it to ran stable at the same RPM.

These runs were at a loss,, both of them.

Then I changed the spring locations on one and tweaked it until it ran stable,, I also am running both springs not just one.

This one now shows a gain, then I turned gravity off in the sim and the gain grew even more, I think showing the cost of gravity.

It is a fine balance to get them to run stable,, between the spring force and the damper force,, if the damper is to much or to little it will get very erratic.

Also it works better if you start the sim from 0 RPM and build it up to speed and resistance settings.  This helps avoid the erratic problems.


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Re: Simoscopy
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2016, 07:00:07 PM »
If you have not tried this then it is news :)

In WM2D,, if you choose to save meter readings and make a run,, a full run,, and then clear the data  and run again,, the file you are building will contain all of the data that has been saved,, so you can make an extended data file.

remove .txt

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« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2016, 09:24:10 PM »
Here is a pic of like 6 runs,, the data file for export keeps all of the info.

I made a tweak to the sim for this pic,, it is now more stable and I think you can see that the movements are not getting depleted,, well with only a few J's per cycle it wold take a while to see any drop in the height of the weight I have measured,, circle weight 101,, but it does go past TDC and then gets pulled back and goes down to before BDC when it gets pulled back up,, it is hard to make anything out by the pic,, but I think you can see that the ranges are about the same.

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« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2016, 10:15:12 PM »
I forgot I was not going to post the sim file,, oh well here is the one with the tweaks to give the pic.

Just because this appears to show a gain,, do not go running off the deep end,, way more due diligence needs to be done first.

I have either one heck of  ahead cold or a flu,, not sure,, so I am going to blame my slip on that!

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