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Author Topic: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION  (Read 12473 times)

Offline SoManyWires

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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2015, 02:56:08 AM »
Here's some incredibly simple  levitation-methods (  Diagram  Below ),  I can't see why something based on these types of principles would not work

    A big enough  repelling-surface  on the bottom of the  floating-object  would  overcome/ignore  the individual  merge-points  on  the  ground-repelling-surface

that seems probable, provided there is multiple magnets held using a mounting frame in series that is shown in the diagram.

the floating object would need some sort of railing to operate inside of, or its floating direction would be difficult to control.
the hoverboard that works on this principle has not been able to compare to a regular skateboard for directional control.

perhaps extra magnetic fields placed at sides can become rails to regulate drift pattern the same way that the tracks ground surface fields do, without needing to make contact with the floating object. or even better, if possible using a gyroscope to control objects directional movement.

i wonder, do those high speed maglev trains ever make contact with the track it travels over, or is that friction removed using something like what is mentioned above..

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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2015, 02:56:08 AM »

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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2015, 04:54:15 AM »
This has a lot of potential (  but mainly as toys/novelty-items/decorative-items  )

(  My original idea for this was boats/planes floating  on a large lake etc  )

BISMUTH IS A SIMPLER SOLUTION
A much easier solution would just be a flat sheet of a   'Diamagnetic material'   like   'Bismuth' ,  then the magnets on the boats/planes could just float above with fewer problems,    the boats would have small weights hanging from the bottom to stabilize them,   or they could be catamarans .

But I like the challenge of an all   'permanent-magnet'  solution  .

(   Remember,  the little individual magnets on the  GROUND,   could be also be set on  THEIR-SIDES,  so that they could point  NORTH-TO-SOUTH  horizontally,   THEREFORE,   they could be placed in  four  ADDITIONAL  possible different  directions,   creating even more diversity in the  GRID.   
     So there would be a total of 6 possible orientations for the individual magnets on the GRID .   But there could be more if you started setting magnets at diagonal positions(  and some very interesting  effects/positions/results  exist at diagonal positions  )
 
          Maybe  a  GRID like this could be designed to be a  MAGNET-MOTOR ,  and the LEVITATING-OBJECT  could be the rotor .   

But,  assuming an object you make will float on this GRID,  and you then circle( corral )  the  LEVITATING-OBJECT  with some more magnets so that it will stay in one place ,   WILL THIS GET AROUND  'EARNSHAW'S THEOREM'  .

If you can make any working  prototypes of this,  that would be great ( I cannot make anything unfortunately ).

 



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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2015, 07:46:32 AM »
This has a lot of potential (  but mainly as toys/novelty-items/decorative-items  )

(  My original idea for this was boats/planes floating  on a large lake etc  )

BISMUTH IS A SIMPLER SOLUTION
A much easier solution would just be a flat sheet of a   'Diamagnetic material'   like   'Bismuth' ,  then the magnets on the boats/planes could just float above with fewer problems,    the boats would have small weights hanging from the bottom to stabilize them,   or they could be catamarans .

-i am thinking gravity would prevent the use of diamagnetic material if used to try to resist a magnet.
the magnets would not hover over it, unless super cooled, cooling would not be cheap or able to reproduce itself.
diamagnetic materials are useful for shielding areas of magnet surfaces to help resist other magnetic fields from other magnets, if i'm correct about that.

But I like the challenge of an all   'permanent-magnet'  solution  .

(   Remember,  the little individual magnets on the  GROUND,   could be also be set on  THEIR-SIDES,  so that they could point  NORTH-TO-SOUTH  horizontally,   THEREFORE,   they could be placed in  four  ADDITIONAL  possible different  directions,   creating even more diversity in the  GRID.   
     So there would be a total of 6 possible orientations for the individual magnets on the GRID .   But there could be more if you started setting magnets at diagonal positions(  and some very interesting  effects/positions/results  exist at diagonal positions  )
 
          Maybe  a  GRID like this could be designed to be a  MAGNET-MOTOR ,  and the LEVITATING-OBJECT  could be the rotor .   

But,  assuming an object you make will float on this GRID,  and you then circle( corral )  the  LEVITATING-OBJECT  with some more magnets so that it will stay in one place ,   WILL THIS GET AROUND  'EARNSHAW'S THEOREM'  .

-breaking the laws of electro mechanical physics is allowed, providing it does not interfere with any radiowave based telemetry and guidance systems of vehicles,  pacemakers, DBS implants or even this that uses gamma radiation in conjunction with magnetic materials. http://shg.sheffield.ac.uk/news-articles/mri-scanners-can-steer-tumour-busting-viruses-to-specific-target-sites-within-the-body/

If you can make any working  prototypes of this,  that would be great ( I cannot make anything unfortunately ).

if you can make your own low powered magnets, (magnetizing materials) this might be more affordable, though it might not be enough magnetic force, unless making electromagnets.
modifying preexisting magnets shapes are possible too if non spherical results are expected, if you find some you can recycle.

adhering ferro magnetic material onto surfaces of other materials might be of use.


i am much thinking about a rotor stator configuration lately.
based on a concept from a linear permanent magnet rail gun that is known to work in linear.
perhaps in non linear mode of operation it too can work, not sure yet until reasonable testing shows i'm wrong as i suspect it could.
there is alot of force though being generated with properly aligned permanent magnet rail gun, and that is what makes me wonder.

should i source out some more magnets eventually, levitation experiments will also be conducted such as the one you believe bismuth would be used in. though i still do not understand why you chose dielectric materials for a track surface, and will try just working with magnets being fastened in place with non conductive material insulators such as wood or plastic.



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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2015, 06:47:17 PM »
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yes,    the  linear  Permanent-Magnet-Rail-Guns  is exactly the reason why so many people still wonder if a  rotating-magnet-motor  could be made to work successfully  .

And,   Permanent-Magnet-Rail-Guns  is a bigger subject than it seems,  because so many different designs  of  Permanent-Magnet-Rail-Guns  can exist .

There are also  devices  very similar to  rail-guns,  such as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy
     And,  some  of  these devices  have unusual methods of  ensuring  that the metal-ball  does actually leave the  end of  rail-gun / track (  instead of getting stuck in the end )  .
     If  the  Track/Gun  moves a  metal-ball  up  a hill,    then you  can put  a  hole  in  the track  near the top of the hill,    and this will allow the metal-ball  to leave the device.
     Look  at  the  Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy( SMOT ) in the wikipedia-page  above,    at  the end of the  track ,    they have made one edge of the track slightly longer than the other edge ( breaking the symmetry ),  which will allow the metal-ball  to leave the device .
      NOW,  Imagine,   if there was a perfectly-round-planet( no hills , just as smooth as a table ),  and then you  placed many of these  SMOTS ( or other rail-guns ) all in a single line,    right around the planet,   then the  metal-ball  should  continue moving right around  the planet until  something breaks (  achieving  perpetual-motion,  overunity  ) .
      (  NOTE : I think that the devices like SMOTS are intended to move the  metal-ball up a hill,  instead of just along a flat/horizontal surface,  so,  they also involve gravity,   which may be different to  rail-guns  ,   but I think they are the same thing  )

     ALSO,  don't forget the  V-Gate devices and designs  .

     NOTE :  I can not( will not ) be building anything at all ,  the reasons are not important.

   (  I  assume the easiest way to make a  magnetic-lake  to have  magnetic-boats  floating on it,  is to  use  Diamagnetism,   a flat surface made of  Bismuth( or other diamagnetic material ),  and the boats/panes  would contain small magnets to float over the flat diamagnetic surface.   
       Note :  But,  I assume that  Magnets  levitating  above other Magnets,  would  levitate  much higher,  than Magnets  levitating  above  Bismuth ( or other commonly available diamagnetic materials ).
       But ,  one  ADVANTAGE  of trying to achieve  the  levitation  by just using  Permanet-Magnets ,  is in case  a  perpetual-motion  effect is would be discovered   ,    some configuration/pattern  that could cause  the  floating-object  to  rotate  perpetually  .
         (   and one possible  configuration/pattern  to achieve that could be  rail-gun( or SMOT or  V-Gate  ) designs  which are shaped and adapted to move in a circle  )
       





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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2015, 08:05:58 PM »
Guest1289, you don't do anything yourself, but evidently thinking you are also no good. V-gate cannot provide more force than its closest magnet. While a field line chain provides real propulsion, like in my experiment https://archive.org/details/Flcm3 . Well that is, you understand it if you think, but you don't think, you only talk what comes to your mind.

One may try my experiment with magnetic bearings. i don't know, i have not tried magnetic bearings, but maybe it can be just as the drawing below. Again sorry for bad drawing, and you may think that the box around is transparent. The magnet on the axis and the bearing magnets face each other with the same poles [edited]. Hope you get an idea, the bearing is just so that, the magnet on the axis "sits" between the magnetic fields of the two magnets, thus cannot move sidewise. And it cannot move towards the bearing magnets, because of repulsion. So the axis is held between between the bearings, should well stay in place. Just a wild idea that came to my mind, and i have not thought it through at all, so i could get it wrong, don't argue it's any good.

Guest1289, but anyway, you get the magnets, like buy from supermagnete, or ebay or anything, but i have not tried other stores. And get some cardboard and adhesive tape, and maybe mounting tape, maybe some pencil, too. And try it out, do something, do at least something.

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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2015, 09:54:35 PM »
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Yes,  that has a  chance of working

And, those  extra  two magnets you have attached to the middle of the axle,   could be replaced with a large-diameter magnetic-disk .   

But,  of course,  the thing that has to be overcome ,  is the following thing in brackets,  which you have highlighted  .

(  In  the  normal  version  of this type of bearing,    the rotating magnet  is always being repelled in one direction along the axis of the axle.    But,  I would have thought that that could be largely or partly addressed by correct configurations of all the magnets involved .  )

Your design( or replacing it with a disc ),  could overcome it.   But the increase in weight,  could be to heavy to levitate.

(  Yes,  unfortunately I can't build anything.   There's nothing I can do about that  .
            But I do play with   small watch-battery shaped magnets.                           )

(  Drawing diagrams by hand and posting the  photos  is what I would do too,  but for me that involves too much hassle with cables and things.  Doing everything using Paint makes me very tired etc.
    You could crop your photos more.
         I wonder if you resized your photos ,  if it would make some details/lines invisible,  it probably would         )

     Why don't they start a competition,  to see who will be the first person to properly get around  'Earnshaws Theorem'  .

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      (   I have already posted 2 solutions to make my  toy/novelty  idea  of  magnetic-boats/planes  floating  above  a  magnetic-lake,  function successfully .   

           ( 1 )  Easiest solution is,  make a flat surface of Bismuth( or other Diamagnetic material ),  and the magnetic-boats/planes  should float above it with minimal difficulty.   The boats could have little weights hanging from their keels for stability,   or they could be large flat catamarans.
            BUT,  I doubt that the boats/planes  would float very  high  above the  GROUND-MAGNETIC-SURFACE    'if'   it was made of Bismuth( or other commonly available  Diamagnetic materials )  .

           ( 2 ) SO,   The GROUND-MAGNETIC-SURFACE could be made of numerous individual magnets very slightly spaced from each other,   and then the magnetic  surface area of the floating boats/planes  would be so large that it would not notice the individual  merge-points  of the  GROUND-MAGNETIC-SURFACE
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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2015, 10:12:58 PM »
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Yes,  that has a  chance of working

And, those  extra  two magnets you have attached to the middle of the axle,   could be replaced with a large-diameter magnetic-disk .

Thank you, i feel better :)

Then why cannot you do anything, these watch-battery shape magnets may be all you need. If they are neodymium, they are strong, and several on each other, makes them even stronger. Believe me, you don't need anything but cardboard, and some adhesive tape. Cardboard you can get from some cardboard boxes, everyone has some of these. Be creative, and you can make things almost out of nothing.

Scissors are the maximum cutting tool i have ever used for projects like these, i never go so far as using knife. And i never use glue, adhesive tape and mounting tape should do. Just think through the forces, sticking force, repulsing force, tying force. And the strength of the material, like cardboard is very strong side wise. And make everything as simple as possible, of course.

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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2015, 07:24:46 PM »
It  appears that  'My-Levitating-Object-Invention'  that I started this  thread for,  may actually be possible . (  this invention intends to levitate an object above 2 separate circular-magnetic-tracks,  but it may be possible using just one circular-magnetic-track ,  amazing  )

(  Imagine a  Light-Dimmer-Switch/Dial  which  floats in mid-air away from its wall-mounting (  that it levitates at any angle relative to gravity  )

No need to comment about this,  I'm just posting this to post it

 

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