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Author Topic: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION  (Read 10534 times)

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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2015, 09:11:36 PM »
HAS  'EARNSHAW'S THEOREM'  BEEN VIOLATED

Now  I'm wondering if the part( principle ) of my  invention  which has already been proven to function,   violates    'Earnshaw's Theorem'  .

Below you can examine this principle in it's purest form  ( 1 ),   and how it is implemented in my invention  ( 2 )  .

    ( 1 ) -    http://overunity.com/6048/using-magnets-instead-of-bearings/dlattach/attach/27840/image//     (  this principle has existed for many years   )

    ( 2 ) -  And the  above  principle implemented in my  invention  (  Look at the  post  on  August 11, 2015, 06:33:51 AM ,   and  examine  3_V magneticTrack.jpg   )

Has   'Earnshaw's Theorem'   been violated,  or is this some sort of special exception from the theory(  and mentioned as an  'exception'  in the descriptions of   'Earnshaw's Theorem' )    ?


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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2015, 09:37:24 PM »
HAS  'EARNSHAW'S THEOREM'  BEEN VIOLATED

Now  I'm wondering if the part( principle ) of my  invention  which has already been proven to function,   violates    'Earnshaw's Theorem'  .

Below you can examine this principle in it's purest form  ( 1 ),   and how it is implemented in my invention  ( 2 )  .

    ( 1 ) -    http://overunity.com/6048/using-magnets-instead-of-bearings/dlattach/attach/27840/image//     (  this principle has existed for many years   )
That depends on whether the shaft always stays clear of the posts on the left, and the post on the right.
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    ( 2 ) -  And the  above  principle implemented in my  invention  (  Look at the  post  on  August 11, 2015, 06:33:51 AM ,   and  examine  3_V magneticTrack.jpg   )

Has   'Earnshaw's Theorem'   been violated,  or is this some sort of special exception from the theory(  and mentioned as an  'exception'  in the descriptions of   'Earnshaw's Theorem' )    ?
Have you performed any kind of mathematical analysis on how you expect your proposal will function?


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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2015, 09:55:36 PM »
Just to make it simpler to answer the question,   LETS TOTALLY FORGET ABOUT MY INVENTION  ,   only to simplify this particular question.

You can see the  'PRINCIPLE'   actually functioning  without any noticeable problems(  visually noticeable ) in the image below  :

 http://overunity.com/6048/using-magnets-instead-of-bearings/dlattach/attach/27840/image// 

(  your browser may only download the image,  and then you have to click on the download  to view it  )

This   'magnetic-bearing'   in the above photo has been replicated in  hundreds of  youtube videos,  and  functions without any noticeable problems .

SO,  in the  image at the  URL  above,  and in the hundreds of youtube replications,   has  'Earnshaw's Theorem'  been violated      ?

(  NOTE : For my own purposes,  I should type that a  new type of  magnetic-bearing  could be based on the above principle in the image at the  aboce  URL ,   and instead   'flattish-round magnets',   magnetic-tubes/pipes   could be used,  for example,  4 pipes arranged in a circle,  and the  'bearing' or  moving-part  spins in the middle of the circle    )

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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2015, 10:05:31 PM »
Just to make it simpler to answer the question,   LETS TOTALLY FORGET ABOUT MY INVENTION  ,   only to simplify this particular question.

You can see the  'PRINCIPLE'   actually functioning  without any noticeable problems(  visually noticeable ) in the image below  :

 http://overunity.com/6048/using-magnets-instead-of-bearings/dlattach/attach/27840/image// 

(  your browser may only download the image,  and then you have to click on the download  to view it  )

This   'magnetic-bearing'   in the above photo has been replicated in  hundreds of  youtube videos,  and  functions without any noticeable problems .

SO,  in the  image at the  URL  above,  and in the hundreds of youtube replications,   has  'Earnshaw's Theorem'  been violated      ?
It looks to me like the suspended shaft is up against the front post on the left.  So no, it does not look to be violating Earnshaw's Theorem.  Rather it seems to be an example of it.


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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2015, 10:18:54 PM »
Yes,  that has answered the question.

While you were typing,  I may have invented a  new-type-of-magnetic-bearing,  and I put it into the post containing my question,   as a  modification of the post.

I have pasted it below :

(  NOTE : For my own purposes,  I should type that a  new type of  magnetic-bearing  could be based on the above principle in the image at the  aboce  URL ,   and instead   of  'flattish-round magnets',   magnetic-tubes/pipes   could be used,  for example,  4 pipes arranged in a circle,  and the  'bearing' or  moving-part  spins in the middle of the circle    )

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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2015, 06:49:42 PM »
The following is fairly useless,  but it would look great

Imagine boats floating on a  large-flat-magnetic-field (  the field would be curved up at the edges so the boats don't fall out ),   and the boats could have little weights hanging from their keels to give them stability

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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2015, 12:19:08 AM »
Now I can't work out  why the following idea would not work .

(    I would have thought this idea would have been possible for well over a century,  and that if it was possible,   I would already have seen it sometime  )

(  Obviously the   large-flattish-magnet   providing the  magnetic-field  for the boats to float on,  would have an unusual shape to successfully achieve the effect  )

Idea :
'Imagine boats floating on a  very-large-flat-magnetic-field (  the  magnetic-field  would be curved up at the edges so the boats don't fall out ),   and the boats could have little weights hanging from their keels to give them stability'


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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2015, 08:41:11 PM »
The  easiest  way to achieve my idea/invention  below,  would be for the boat containing permanent-magnets,   to be repelled/levitated  above  a flat-surface  made of a diamagnetic-material like bismuth

Idea/Invention
'Imagine boats floating on a  very-large-flat-magnetic-field (  the  magnetic-field  would be curved up at the edges so the boats don't fall out ),   and the boats could have little weights hanging from their keels to give them stability'

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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2015, 08:53:57 PM »
I red and saw a video from a russian clever inventor,shows a way to link to magnets without contact...interesting indeed.

(+++)(-)   (+-)   

You could use that to achieve a way to tracht(traction) two bodies linked witout contact...i don't remember the name of the linkage---

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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2015, 01:03:59 AM »
Below, are 3 diagrams showing  3  different methods for this  toy levitation idea  .

(  NOTE : This is not the  'Invention'  for which this thread was created,  check the original posts  )

(  I cannot build anything ,  and I don't have any diamagnetic materials ,  etc,  etc  )

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Re: MY 'LEVITATING OBJECT' INVENTION
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2015, 02:29:37 AM »
I red and saw a video from a russian clever inventor,shows a way to link to magnets without contact...interesting indeed.

(+++)(-)   (+-)   

You could use that to achieve a way to tracht(traction) two bodies linked witout contact...i don't remember the name of the linkage---

Sigh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUihboGkJnE

Can be done with flat magnets too, as detailed in Nikolayev's Russian book.

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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2015, 02:37:02 AM »
Below, are 3 diagrams showing  3  different methods for this  toy levitation idea  .

(  NOTE : This is not the  'Invention'  for which this thread was created,  check the original posts  )

(  I cannot build anything ,  and I don't have any diamagnetic materials ,  etc,  etc  )

I can build things, and have built things, and I can tell you _once again_ that your idea does not and will not work. But don't take my word for it... figure out some way to get around your "can't build anything" meme and do some experimentation of your own, if you don't believe those who can and do build things.

You need a point of rigid contact like the Mendocino system, or spin-stabilization like the original Levitron, or active feedback-controlled electromagnetic stabilization like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkiGTWODERo

or superconductivity and flux pinning, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q


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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2015, 03:58:19 AM »
Not only do I believe you when you say my inventions won't work,  but I can see much more obvious proof supporting what you say.

My  inventions  are so  incredibly   simple  and  obvious,  that they would have been invented over a hundred years ago,  and if they  worked,  I would already have seen  working examples.

(  I know you did read that the little    floating-objects   in this    toy-invention,  would have weights extending down from their bottom,  to prevent them from   flipping   ,    to  give   stabilize  them,   a combo  of  gravity  and  magnetic-levitation  )

(  my only experimenting is with little  flat-disc shaped magnets,   the shape of watch batteries,   I cannot do more than that   )

As you can see,   whatever you type,  can't quite stop my slight doubt and curiosity,     but at the same time I know everyone here with   your experience    knows my  inventions  cannot  work

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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2015, 04:45:03 AM »
Not only do I believe you when you say my inventions won't work,  but I can see much more obvious proof supporting what you say.

My  inventions  are so  incredibly   simple  and  obvious,  that they would have been invented over a hundred years ago,  and if they  worked,  I would already have seen  working examples.

(  I know you did read that the little    floating-objects   in this    toy-invention,  would have weights extending down from their bottom,  to prevent them from   flipping   ,    to  give   stabilize  them,   a combo  of  gravity  and  magnetic-levitation  )

(  my only experimenting is with little  flat-disc shaped magnets,   the shape of watch batteries,   I cannot do more than that   )

As you can see,   whatever you type,  can't quite stop my slight doubt and curiosity,     but at the same time I know everyone here with   your experience    knows my  inventions  cannot  work

it is sometimes good to be stubborn.
you may or may not be onto something, after you do some tests of things on your own, the value in hands on education will prove itself at least useful.
it is wise to allow considerations of others as constructive criticism, those with a strong working knowledge about how things that do work, do work.
it can seem non constructive, though maybe their insights are worth considering too should any of it be helpful with your being able to succeed, or even to prove their usually valid points.

have a idea of a design myself, still going to work on developing it until which time i hit too solid of a wall, or break through it.

safely though.



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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2015, 08:29:14 PM »
Here's some incredibly simple  levitation-methods (  Diagram  Below ),  I can't see why something based on these types of principles would not work

    A big enough  repelling-surface  on the bottom of the  floating-object  would  overcome/ignore  the individual  merge-points  on  the  ground-repelling-surface

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