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Author Topic: Is this a miracle or a scam?  (Read 15880 times)

TinselKoala

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2015, 02:02:00 AM »
What guarantee is there that all 4 bulbs are the same? One could easily duplicate what is shown in the video by simply using 2, 6V bulbs and 2, 12V bulbs, with nothing in the box except straight-through wires.

If someone really wanted to convince people that they were telling the truth, wouldn't they show swapping the bulbs around in the video? Or some other way of proving that the bulbs are really the same ratings? I certainly would.


http://www.bulbs.com/Under_10W/Automotive_Lighting/G--3_1slash2-Shape/results.aspx?Ns=P_Wattage+Sort|0
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TheCell

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2015, 03:26:46 PM »
Take 220V 24V Transformer and 4 identical 12 V Lamps and you will get the same results, as in the video. You can achieve the same results with a switching power supply.
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MarkE

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2015, 04:27:04 PM »
Quote from: TheCell on August 14, 2015, 03:26:46 PM
Take 220V 24V Transformer and 4 identical 12 V Lamps and you will get the same results, as in the video. You can achieve the same results with a switching power supply.
Oh no!  Don't reveal the secret technology of impedance matching!  You'll kill the deal these marvelous inventors have with the imaginary car manufacturers.
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peterqv98

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2015, 03:01:19 PM »
Well, well, well. What furious overunity tigers write in this forum!:) You could scare the Black Box inventors!:) Show some mercy and tolerance, please!:)
Let me repeat again that I am not an advocate of the Black box inventors. Their device only seems interesting to me and that's all.
Besides I am already absolutely sure that SoManyWires, MarkE and indegen either need to see a doctor or are agents of the Big Oil. All three of you are agents of the Big Oil, aren't you? Your bosses however made a mistake when they hired unqualified and/or sick persons like you. I will not comment your posts any more.
My respect to TinselKoala and TheCell! Dear Sirs, thank you for your qualified and professional remarks! It's a pleasure to talk with you!
To TinselKoala: Yes, you are absolutely right that there is no guarantee that the four lamps are identical as they claim. Yes, they could easily get the effect by using of two couples of bulbs that are designed for different voltages. Yes, they have to show how they are swapping the bulbs or they have to find some other way to convince people that they are telling the truth and that the bulbs are really the same rating. This is a very good advice indeed! Why don't you write to them and advise them what to do? (It seems to me that these guys are not very experienced in making clips. Because making a good clip is actually a piece of art.)
To TheCell. Would you be so polite to explain your point of view in detail, please? If you connect a bulb, which is designed for 24V, directly to a 220V AC, then this bulb will almost immediately evaporate. Besides they claim that they are using a DC source. It seems to me that it is not very probable they to use some switching power supply -- the two right lamps glow much brighter than the two left lamps and this effect as if cannot be achieved by switching power supply. In my modest opinion they are using something else. But what? (I hope that this is not a scam and there isn't simply a big battery hidden inside the Black box -- as if SoManyWires, MarkE and indegen infected me with their pathological and ill-intentioned scepticism :))     
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MarkE

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2015, 05:57:29 PM »
Quote from: peterqv98 on August 16, 2015, 03:01:19 PM
Well, well, well. What furious overunity tigers write in this forum!:) You could scare the Black Box inventors!:) Show some mercy and tolerance, please!:)
Let me repeat again that I am not an advocate of the Black box inventors. Their device only seems interesting to me and that's all.
Besides I am already absolutely sure that SoManyWires, MarkE and indegen either need to see a doctor or are agents of the Big Oil. All three of you are agents of the Big Oil, aren't you? Your bosses however made a mistake when they hired unqualified and/or sick persons like you. I will not comment your posts any more.
And yet here you are doing so.  Just as you insist that you have no material interest in promoting the foolish black box, but spend much time doing so.
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My respect to TinselKoala and TheCell! Dear Sirs, thank you for your qualified and professional remarks! It's a pleasure to talk with you!
To TinselKoala: Yes, you are absolutely right that there is no guarantee that the four lamps are identical as they claim. Yes, they could easily get the effect by using of two couples of bulbs that are designed for different voltages. Yes, they have to show how they are swapping the bulbs or they have to find some other way to convince people that they are telling the truth and that the bulbs are really the same rating. This is a very good advice indeed! Why don't you write to them and advise them what to do? (It seems to me that these guys are not very experienced in making clips. Because making a good clip is actually a piece of art.)

To TheCell. Would you be so polite to explain your point of view in detail, please? If you connect a bulb, which is designed for 24V, directly to a 220V AC, then this bulb will almost immediately evaporate. Besides they claim that they are using a DC source. It seems to me that it is not very probable they to use some switching power supply -- the two right lamps glow much brighter than the two left lamps and this effect as if cannot be achieved by switching power supply. In my modest opinion they are using something else. But what? (I hope that this is not a scam and there isn't simply a big battery hidden inside the Black box -- as if SoManyWires, MarkE and indegen infected me with their pathological and ill-intentioned scepticism :))   
Consider that all that is shown is two bulbs on the left of the box and two bulbs on the right of the box and that each of the four bulbs has a connection inside the box and one connection outside the box.  The left side bulbs glow dimmer than the right side bulbs.  There are many ways that demonstration can be arranged that are completely conventional.  Since, no measurements were made that would rule out any of the conventional means of reproducing what was shown, there is no reason to believe that anything out of the ordinary is going on.


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peterqv98

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2015, 10:18:49 PM »
Hi everyone,
I contacted the Black Box inventors several times and we exchanged a few emails. I asked them why they don't participate in the Overunity.com forum discussions. They answered me that they have no time to waste on fools. (This is obviously a quite extreme position and it is unacceptable, of course.) I also asked them why they do not swap the bulbs. Their answer was that whatever to do they would be always declared cheaters. Again seems to be logical! Besides the Black Box inventors wrote to me also that because of secrecy they deliberately did not give details in their clip and that the mostly negative forum opinions were a true indicator that the paid agents of the Big Oil are overexcited and scared and because of this they exploded in verbal aggression and negativism. That was well said!
In one word, my impression is that the Black Box guys are honest and clever gentlemen. They really invented something special and there is no doubt about this.
Best regards,
And smile more often :)
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SoManyWires

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2015, 12:24:57 AM »
Quote from: peterqv98 on August 19, 2015, 10:18:49 PM
Hi everyone,
I contacted the Black Box inventors several times and we exchanged a few emails. I asked them why they don't participate in the Overunity.com forum discussions. They answered me that they have no time to waste on fools. (This is obviously a quite extreme position and it is unacceptable, of course.) I also asked them why they do not swap the bulbs. Their answer was that whatever to do they would be always declared cheaters. Again seems to be logical! Besides the Black Box inventors wrote to me also that because of secrecy they deliberately did not give details in their clip and that the mostly negative forum opinions were a true indicator that the paid agents of the Big Oil are overexcited and scared and because of this they exploded in verbal aggression and negativism. That was well said!
In one word, my impression is that the Black Box guys are honest and clever gentlemen. They really invented something special and there is no doubt about this.
Best regards,
And smile more often :)

i guess its not their loss to not show proof,
if never actually having a working device.


because they not really your friends.

they do not care.

'they' seem more dishonest and 'you' know it.

were is the storefront so people can purchase one.

moving on.

you might try learning how to install solar panels in order to make a living.



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MarkE

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2015, 04:57:09 AM »
Quote from: peterqv98 on August 19, 2015, 10:18:49 PM
Hi everyone,
I contacted the Black Box inventors several times and we exchanged a few emails. I asked them why they don't participate in the Overunity.com forum discussions. They answered me that they have no time to waste on fools. (This is obviously a quite extreme position and it is unacceptable, of course.) I also asked them why they do not swap the bulbs. Their answer was that whatever to do they would be always declared cheaters. Again seems to be logical!
It's very logical for people who are full of BS.
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 Besides the Black Box inventors wrote to me also that because of secrecy they deliberately did not give details in their clip and that the mostly negative forum opinions were a true indicator that the paid agents of the Big Oil are overexcited and scared and because of this they exploded in verbal aggression and negativism. That was well said!
It is the one of the tried and true excuses offered by people making false free energy claims.
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In one word, my impression is that the Black Box guys are honest and clever gentlemen. They really invented something special and there is no doubt about this.
Best regards,
And smile more often :)
Yes, people who make outlandish claims and offer even more outlandish excuses for why their evidence is junk are always "honest", just like you.
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tinman

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2015, 11:55:47 AM »
Quote from: peterqv98 on August 19, 2015, 10:18:49 PM
Hi everyone,
I contacted the Black Box inventors several times and we exchanged a few emails. I asked them why they don't participate in the Overunity.com forum discussions. They answered me that they have no time to waste on fools. (This is obviously a quite extreme position and it is unacceptable, of course.) I also asked them why they do not swap the bulbs. Their answer was that whatever to do they would be always declared cheaters. Again seems to be logical! Besides the Black Box inventors wrote to me also that because of secrecy they deliberately did not give details in their clip and that the mostly negative forum opinions were a true indicator that the paid agents of the Big Oil are overexcited and scared and because of this they exploded in verbal aggression and negativism. That was well said!
In one word, my impression is that the Black Box guys are honest and clever gentlemen. They really invented something special and there is no doubt about this.
Best regards,
And smile more often :)

peterqv98

Would it help you believe or understand that these guys are showing nothing out of the ordinary if i built a device that work's just as they show-->i'll even swap the globes around,and run it of a 12 volt battery,as they claim car manufactures are chasing there tech.

It's quite funny actually,as i fool'd myself with the very same effect some years back. But once i was shown by poynt what was going on,turns out i made myself a boost converter-nothing more.
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MarkE

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2015, 12:27:05 PM »
Quote from: tinman on August 20, 2015, 11:55:47 AM
peterqv98

Would it help you believe or understand that these guys are showing nothing out of the ordinary if i built a device that work's just as they show-->i'll even swap the globes around,and run it of a 12 volt battery,as they claim car manufactures are chasing there tech.

It's quite funny actually,as i fool'd myself with the very same effect some years back. But once i was shown by poynt what was going on,turns out i made myself a boost converter-nothing more.
The whole reason that no measurements are presented is because measurements would show that there is absolutely nothing special happening.
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MarkE

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2015, 12:30:25 PM »
Quote from: SoManyWires on August 20, 2015, 12:24:57 AM
i guess its not their loss to not show proof,
if never actually having a working device.


because they not really your friends.

they do not care.

'they' seem more dishonest and 'you' know it.

were is the storefront so people can purchase one.

moving on.

you might try learning how to install solar panels in order to make a living.
Ironically for Peter, every efficient solar PV inverter in the world performs maximum power point tracking which transforms the effective load impedance in order to get the most power possible under any instant condition from the solar panel string / array.
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peterqv98

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2015, 03:15:18 PM »
To tinman:
This is very interesting! Would you be so polite to explain in detail what have you done several years ago? Because the boost converter is not able to generate the black box effect if the four bulbs are identical.
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tinman

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2015, 03:43:09 PM »
Quote from: peterqv98 on August 20, 2015, 03:15:18 PM
To tinman:
This is very interesting! Would you be so polite to explain in detail what have you done several years ago? Because the boost converter is not able to generate the black box effect if the four bulbs are identical.
A boost converter will do exactly that if the bulbs are placed as they have them in the black box video.
The two globes on the input side are in series with another resistor,that being the inductor.
Where as the two globes on the output side will be parallel across that inductor.
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MarkE

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2015, 05:00:08 PM »
Quote from: tinman on August 20, 2015, 03:43:09 PM
A boost converter will do exactly that if the bulbs are placed as they have them in the black box video.
The two globes on the input side are in series with another resistor,that being the inductor.
Where as the two globes on the output side will be parallel across that inductor.
It is all just Ohm's Law.  Any power converter that has a well filtered input transforms the impedance of the output as seen by the input.  Taking a first approximation where the converter is considered 100% efficient, at any given output voltage to input voltage ratio, the reflected impedance Zout_reflected is:  Zout_reflected = (Vin/Vout)2 * Zout.  So, if for purposes of argument one had two one Ohm resistors: Rin and Rout and a 12V supply then without a DC-DC converter:

VRIN = VROUT = 6V
PRIN = VRIN2/RIN = 62/1 = 36W
PROUT = VROUT2/ROUT = 62/1 = 36W

But stick a 2:1 voltage converter in the way, and the reflected impedance of ROUT at the input becomes 4 Ohms.  Loop current drops from 6A to 2.4A.  The voltage across RIN drops to 2.4V, while the voltage across the power converter input becomes 9.6V.  The power dissipated by RIN becomes 5.76W.  The voltage at the output of the voltage converter is half the input: 4.8V, and the power dissipated by ROUT becomes 23.04W, identically 4X the power dissipated by RIN.


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peterqv98

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Re: Is this a miracle or a scam?
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2015, 01:07:55 PM »
Hi everyone :),
I am glad that the discussion tends to become already more constructive.
To tinman: Actually I did not understand again what exactly have you done several years ago. Would you be so polite to send some drawings?
To MarkE: But your perfect mathematical calculations have nothing to do with the black box performance. Yet any mathematical model has to be related, more or less, to physical reality. Please reconsider carefully again you calculations and you will easily see that some of your basic assumptions are entirely wrong. 
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