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Author Topic: PERPETUAL-MOTION PERMANENT-MAGNET FARADAY-MOTOR  (Read 4589 times)

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PERPETUAL-MOTION PERMANENT-MAGNET FARADAY-MOTOR
« on: July 27, 2015, 09:41:02 PM »
PERPETUAL-MOTION  PERMANENT-MAGNET  FARADAY-MOTOR

A non-electric Faraday-Motor,  which just uses permanent-magnets.

THIS MOTOR DOES NOT USE  MERCURY ( OR SALT WATER )
This  Faraday-Motor  'does not'  use the liquid mercury ( salt-water in other versions )  that Faraday-Motors usually use. 

Replace the wire in the Faraday-Motor  with a LOOP made of Neodymium-Wire( if that really exists ) or some other permanently-magnetic thing that would have the same effect(  making sure that only one side of the loop( one strand ) interacts with the permanent-magnet at the centre of the motor .

NOTE : I'm suggesting a LOOP,  incase the incredible phenomenon called  'Persistent Current'  could exist in the material used,  because 'Persistent Current' has been proven to occur in  NON-SUPERCONDUCTOR materials.

THIS MOTOR WOULD HAVE TO USE A   'MAGNETIC-BEARING'

(  'Ideally',  instead of a LOOP made of Neodymium-Wire,  it would be a LOOP made of a room-temperature Superconductor-Wire( like Stanene or Graphene ),  WHICH COULD ADDITIONALLY ALSO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INCREDIBLE PHENOMENON CALLED   'PRESISTENT CURRENT'  ,   but that would only be absolutely 'Ideally'  )


IF THIS MOTOR WOULD NOT WORK
The question would be what is the difference between the magnetic-field around a wire( with electricity flowing through it ) and the magnetic-field around a Neodymium-Wire-Loop.

Could it be that a magnetic-field around a wire( with electricity flowing through it ) has some type of a cog-wheel like outer edge( outer most surface ) because it is generated by electricity,  unlike the assumedly  smooth outer edge( outer most surface ) of the magnetic field of a permanent-magnet.


NOTE :  Hours after I posted this actual post( this paragraph is a 'modification' of this post ) I realized,  correctly or not,  that the propulsion in a normal   'Faraday-Motor'( electric-motor ) is probably due to a jet like effect( electrons coming out ) between the wire and the mercury( ( salt-water in other versions ), but I don't know. 
At worst,  the  Neodymium-Wire would just hang in a stationary-orbit near the central permanent-magnet,  at best it would spin around.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 12:19:40 AM by guest1289 »

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Re: PERPETUAL-MOTION PERMANENT-MAGNET-FARADAY-MOTOR
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2015, 10:20:22 PM »
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Re: PERPETUAL-MOTION PERMANENT-MAGNET FARADAY-MOTOR
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2015, 12:16:39 AM »
Since I started this thread,  several hours ago,  I realized I made some big errors in the  'original post',   so I have corrected those errors by modifying  'the original post'

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Re: PERPETUAL-MOTION PERMANENT-MAGNET FARADAY-MOTOR
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2015, 01:26:15 PM »
Well, read the thread just below here http://overunity.com/15774/permanent-magnet-motor/#.VbeM7WEuviY , this is about creating exactly the same, the faraday's homopolar motor, using permanent magnets only. The homopolar motor works because the magnetic field around the wires is circular, this causes movement relative to any outside permanent magnet, in one direction.

Thus what is necessary are circularly magnetized magnets, instead of wires there. There is a lot of talk about how to make such magnets in that thread. But the biggest problem found is that a circular magnetic field stays entirely within magnet, some kind of way that there cannot be any interaction with any outside magnet. This may make such magnet motor impossible, and thus the only overunity one can have with permanent magnets, is what i likely found in my experiments https://archive.org/details/Flcm3. Which is not enough for continuous rotation, that is cannot overcome friction. Thus useless, only a theoretical importance.

If you have ideas, then make it, maybe i don't understand your ideas, but by now i see none which can be right. I think you need at least a welder or at least some transformer to get high voltage, and some high voltage capacitors, to magnetize the magnets circularly. And maybe some alnico ring magnets, from old speakers. I tend to think permanent magnets are not a way to go. But if you disagree for whatever reason, then good luck.


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Re: PERPETUAL-MOTION PERMANENT-MAGNET FARADAY-MOTOR
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2015, 06:49:34 PM »
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I have now drastically simplified this motor .

The following webpage,  has a  MIND-BLOWING  explanation of how the  'Homopolar-Motor'  works,  just read the post which contains the word   'tangential'  .

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/homopolar-motor-explained.300468/

After I read the above web-page,  I played with some small  permanent-magnets( shaped like flat round watch-batteries  ),  and I seemed to get some  propulsion  )

I'm not even able to build this incredibly simple motor, unfortunately.

(  Strangely,  I think I'm onto something here,  a resulting  'tangential' force resulting from the interaction of magnetic fields that are  slightly more than,  or slightly less than 90-degrees different to each other,   and the flexibility of the string in the Diagram below  )
 
(    If you build the motor below,  try it with either the slightly different string lengths( as shown in the diagram ) ,   or ,  with equal string lengths.       
     Since string is flexible,  it will do strange things on its own.   Eventually the string would be replaced with a  rod  connected  to a magnetic bearing ,  which would give it some strange flexibility  )

In the diagram below,    a bar magnet( suspended by two lenghts of string ) is in  'orbit'   around another bar magnet( which is sitting up-right )  ,  you'll notice that the two strings are different lengths ( thats to replicate  the results I got last night ).


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Re: PERPETUAL-MOTION PERMANENT-MAGNET FARADAY-MOTOR
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Re: PERPETUAL-MOTION PERMANENT-MAGNET FARADAY-MOTOR
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2015, 08:04:56 PM »
Good luck. But this configuration is very unstable, the poles tend to attract and repulse. You cannot make it with a thread i think, you need some good bearings. And once you have the bearings, the forces would be too great, even if there is an effect, again it cannot overcome the friction.

It is not good that way in that the forces are too great i think.

I said, i switched from permanent magnets to experiments with a coil and induction, because my experiments gave me a reason to consider, that no continuous rotation can be achieved with permanent magnets. That there is overunity, but that overunity is too small.

 

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