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Author Topic: Switched Vector Thruster?  (Read 4759 times)

Offline lumen

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Switched Vector Thruster?
« on: July 08, 2015, 04:00:01 AM »
Anyone have any thoughts or theories about the operation of this device?

If it operated as described it would produce massive thrust that would make Ion drives and others obsolete.
The power required to operate is almost nothing because one side produces power to switch and slow the rotor and the other side requires power and increases the rotor speed.
It would produce massive thrust with about 80% electrical recovery during operation.

https://youtu.be/1bbs3cgP7jU
« Last Edit: July 08, 2015, 06:14:03 AM by lumen »

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Switched Vector Thruster?
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Switched Vector Thruster?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2015, 09:32:30 AM »
I have some thoughts about it.

The video maker seems to be making the claim that, with just a few more simple parts, the whole unit will produce a unidirectional "vectored" thrust and tend to move in that direction. Yet, even after all the trouble he went through to set it up as far as is shown, he somehow doesn't add those parts, so he doesn't test or demonstrate the validity of that claim. This was a big let-down; I thought we were going to see something unusual.

I state that the unit will _not_ produce any unidirectional thrust, no matter how many extra parts he adds, and that his explanation of why and how it is supposed to work is garbled. It won't move off in any direction unless it is pushing against its substrate in the opposite direction.  I don't like air-tables very much because they can induce some thrust of their own, i.e. if the supported platform isn't precisely level wrt the table surface, but setting the device on top of a bunch of smooth balls on a smooth and level surface should decouple the platform from the substrate, and in this case the device's center of mass might oscillate but there will be no net translation across the substrate.

It would make me very happy to be proved wrong about this. So I encourage the claimant to complete the full design and subject it to a rigorous testing procedure.

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Re: Switched Vector Thruster?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2015, 11:47:20 AM »
I think the trust is caused by the mass which wants to move to the radial line by the
centrifugal force.
Centrifugal force acts w/o the reaction.

Offline lumen

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Re: Switched Vector Thruster?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2015, 03:40:36 PM »
I have some thoughts about it.

The video maker seems to be making the claim that, with just a few more simple parts, the whole unit will produce a unidirectional "vectored" thrust and tend to move in that direction. Yet, even after all the trouble he went through to set it up as far as is shown, he somehow doesn't add those parts, so he doesn't test or demonstrate the validity of that claim. This was a big let-down; I thought we were going to see something unusual.

I state that the unit will _not_ produce any unidirectional thrust, no matter how many extra parts he adds, and that his explanation of why and how it is supposed to work is garbled. It won't move off in any direction unless it is pushing against its substrate in the opposite direction.  I don't like air-tables very much because they can induce some thrust of their own, i.e. if the supported platform isn't precisely level wrt the table surface, but setting the device on top of a bunch of smooth balls on a smooth and level surface should decouple the platform from the substrate, and in this case the device's center of mass might oscillate but there will be no net translation across the substrate.

It would make me very happy to be proved wrong about this. So I encourage the claimant to complete the full design and subject it to a rigorous testing procedure.

TK, I am happy you had a comment on this device.

This is an unfinished device only because it was never intended to be a thruster, but simply a test platform to understand the complicated dynamics in a rotating roberval device.

The tests indicate an ability to shift the point of force applied to the rotor and so it seems all I have stated is true, but you are correct that it must be fully constructed to know the actual results.

If it works as thought it would not require an air or marble table because the forces would be very strong and could propel itself over even water without doubt.

Because of that, I am currently designing a new construction to test the theory I have projected.

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Re: Switched Vector Thruster?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2015, 06:13:10 PM »
I think the trust is caused by the mass which wants to move to the radial line by the
centrifugal force.
Centrifugal force acts w/o the reaction.

That is correct. With two large masses on a rotating wheel, there is a vector to the center pivot point that the mass is pulling from caused by centrifugal force. If the center of the rotating masses could be instantly changed then what happens to the previous vector.
This is the effect I cannot show in the current device, but from all the tests I show in the video, it suggests a temporary shift in the center rotating point would result. If the shift were maintained for 90 degrees of rotation before release, then even if it shifts the center point back the result would be thrust in two directions or 45 degrees.

With two counter rotating wheels, one motion could be totally canceled and only a single thrust vector would result.

If you watch each test I show in the video, what else is there?


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Re: Switched Vector Thruster?
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Re: Switched Vector Thruster?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2015, 11:30:28 PM »
It appears the vector switching theory is incorrect and the reason for the rotation is simply a locking to the same reference frame as the support beam.

It does not transfer the centrifugal force in the same way as gravity does. Gravity is in the same reference frame as the center gear so the results are different.

http://youtu.be/qBH1TkTtD9w

I suppose on with the testing!

 

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