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Author Topic: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor  (Read 28090 times)

Offline dom444

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2016, 07:51:52 AM »
2 magnets nulled, I bet Mr Luling wished he had this software by using 2 magnets flipped you more than double the power.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2016, 07:51:52 AM »

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2016, 05:40:12 AM »
I am currently waiting on some magnets but have already worked out a better system where by you move the magnets with a cam same as a car valve and not the iron blocks, should allow faster revolutions as less weight to move which probably the biggest problem with his system.

anyone on this forum thinking of patenting should watch this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7QauYjhuZg

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2016, 01:01:56 PM »
A little hint to anyone out there trying to replicate this and this is very important

make sure that if you are mounting the plates on the horizontal plane  or vertical it must be that  the bearings must be firm with no play and also the magnets, or you will not achieve proper rotation of the disc or the rotor the
rotary motion comes about because of the initial attraction of the magnet and because it has no where to go it translates into rotation and this  will be dissipated if there is any wobble in the assembly,  i have already found this out.   



http://panacea-bocaf.org/patentoffice.htm


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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #48 on: November 28, 2016, 05:31:02 PM »
   On the cam and lifters, sometimes the simplest way is the best way. The only reason to complicate things is to hide things. Way too many examples of that the way it is.  In short, KISS
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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2016, 07:52:48 PM »
that is true Thaelin funny thing is friedrich luling didn't really hide anything, they are showing you the internal works of  the unit, it is just moving to fast, but with our computers it is easy to slow it down now and follow what is going on and he even tells you.
In Stefans translation he says it attracts the rotor to the sticking point and he has found a way to neutralize the magnetic field to allow it to continue on.  1957 was a time when people had integrity many of the old inventions on film showed it all,  it was not about patenting and becoming a millionaire,  money is the driving force now. 
I also think at that stage of technology they didn't have the pool of knowledge we have now and that may have been the only way he could come up with if he had magnetic modelling he would also had done it different.

and another hint for people trying to replicate the rotor must be balanced you have 2 steel or iron plates on both sides of a rotor, you need to counter weight it at 90 deg to the plates so you have a balanced spin.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2016, 05:55:22 AM by dom444 »

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2016, 07:52:48 PM »
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Offline Eniac5state

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2017, 10:38:49 AM »
Can we first keep it simple ??  This is how a magnet motor should work:
Make magnets on rotor. Say two or four.
Now get a stator magnet in the vincinity of the rotor magnet.
The rotor will now turn towards the stator. Easy. But now the rotor will stop at that point so,
the stator magnet should isolated so the rotor can run in its own momentum. Easy.
But a trick, what if we use a high efficiƫnt elektromagnet as the stator magnet?
We don't have to shield anymore and can use neodymium magnets !
"But a strong elektromagnet costs energy" say the dummies. Not anymore. There is an
elektromagnet that can hold a person with two AA BATTERIES ! They are on sale.
Just make those switchable and the engine is nearly ready. Smile and start building.
Then attach a generator to it.

Offline dieter

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2017, 09:03:16 AM »
So this dude has found a way to turn off the permanent magnet at the sticky point he says. Great. Does he also reveal hiw he does that?


If not, honestly, then this is just another guess n speculate thing. And these things never work.


Such a prefered myth consumption loop is really an interesting behaviour pattern. I wonder why people don't concentrate on open source concepts.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2017, 09:03:16 AM »
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Offline guest1289

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2017, 05:44:16 PM »
The following magnet-motor from 2013 seems genuine( I received an email from someone who viewed it ), and the  magnetic-shielding concept seems familiar  to the 'Friedrich Luling motor' ,  :

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2013/11/german_inventor_solves_permane.html

You probably already saw the design I posted last year :

http://overunity.com/16528/my-magnet-motor-3-5-is-censored-on-all-the-internet-search-engines/

However,  according to some knowledgeable people,   most magnet-motors  are a waste of time because no magnets,  not even neodymium ones will last very long in a magnet-motor ,  especially if they are continually being repelled,  I have never built one,  so I don't know.

Although,  no repelling occurs in my 'Magnet-Motor-3.5' .


Offline dieter

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2017, 07:27:40 PM »
Ah, that "magnets being used up" is pretty much nonsense. It certainly does not nullify any violation of the first law, provided there is any such working all magnet motor.


About Engel, so basicly he's using a rotating Magnet on the stator. At least that was revealed before he died. This is driven by 7mA 9V dc motor, 63 mW.


However, I did in fact observe some strange imbalance between the forces of attraction and repulsen and that of momentum alignement. I still would not outrule this phenomen as a driving force.


Watching a PM closer made me notice two things: in a magnetic field, two forces are involved: the force of the polar attraction and the force of vectoral alignement. Two magnets, facing eachother, will only attract or repell, but two magnets, side by side, will experience both, torque and attraction and repulsion. Seemingly Torque is not just the result of attraction and repulsion.


So there may be a window of probability, contradicting accepted beliefs, but a lot of guesswork is involved.


Your thread linked above I will read now...

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2017, 08:11:19 PM »
So your thread is basicly a rant about google. Yes, google does censor a lot, and being top ranking on google requires to use tricks. Their indexing engine became a bit stupid lately, serving tons of spam, eg. hundreds of instant urls, containing your search term, but all fake. Yet, searching for a pdf of a book, will list tons of fake book sites and after hours of download attempts, must give up (now having revealed their email addresses to all those sites, which require an account etc.)


Google could even serve customized search results, since every google account user (also youtube or samsung/android) has his personality file at google, for personalized google Ads and what not.


Theoreticly a AI program could use this to do evil things, such as isolating certain people, or drive them into suicide.


So better don't use google at all, also no device in which google has hardcoded access, such als Galaxy etc.


Searching for a certain book on search.yandex.ru then brougjt me in seconds to bookzz.org, that is censored by google.


About your motor. Basicly a ramp motor, as far as I understand. Thousends had the same idea. Does not work, as azzraction and repulsion are in equilibrium, regardless of the angle. What comes out must have come in.


That is all part of the learning curve and the one of accepted science ends shortly after the basics in magnetism (the dogmata minefield no established labcoat dares to cross), so stay optimistic, progressive knowledge is just behind the next corner.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2017, 07:53:56 PM »
 NOTE :  I UPDATED THIS POST TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS

 that link to my  "magnet-motor-3.5" was just so you'd see the motor

  my  "magnet-motor-3.5" is especially designed to make the only  'potential'   sticky-point on the  individual  'propulsion-components',  work against the same  sticky-point  on the other  'identical'  individual  'propulsion-components',  repeating that effect as many times as required to  effectively-neutralize  all these  potential  identical  sticky-points.
        -  that then allows the propulsion-effect  to be unaffected by any  'potential' sticky-points
        - a perfectly optimized design in terms of ratios/proportions of components/magnetic-strengths  could even possibly eliminate the need for multiple  propulsion-components

     My other magnet-motor  designs I have posted on this site since 2015,  'may' '?'  not have as much potential as this motor,  however,  they may be even more interesting
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   If you wanted to defeat the law of  thermodynamics-?/conservation-of-energy-?( I can't remember which laws they are )  you do not even need to build a magnet-motor,  there is something much simpler,  and just as impressive

   All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation defeats  the law of thermodynamics-?/conservation-of-energy-?,  by directly disproving   earnshaw's-theorem,  and,  the law of  magnetic-levitation,  in other words achieving the same as  Electromagnetic-Levitation  but only by  using  Permanent-Magnets,  nothing else,  and no cheating by using  diamagnetics
      -  explained 3 paragraphs down

   at least two members on this site have said they built devices achieving  All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation,  and one device was even a functioning  magnetic-bearing

  ( full-levitation means that the levitating-magnet/magnets absolutely do no touch anything else at all  )

  earnshaw's-theorem says that All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation  can not be achieved,  because,  if it is achieved,  then the levitating-magnet/magnets  would be  constantly  vibrating/moving,   and this would therefore be  perpetual-motion/free-energy

    Relating to the above paragraph,  one of the two members on this site who said that they built devices achieving  All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation,  said that they did in fact observe this constant  vibration(  perpetual-motion/free-energy  )

   I posted numerous All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation  designs since  2015,  some were  rotatable-bearings,  while others were just  couplings,  these designs were designed to work at any angle in relation to gravity,
      My designs would function like as a 3d-version of the  following  very-impressive  invention below( the invention below is not my invention ),  called  the  "inverter magnet"
      -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU 
            I didn't know about that invention,  when I started posting my designs,  but afterwards I thought of that invention as a type of proof of the validity of my designs
            (  Note : There are inventions  pre-dating the above invention ( the "inverter magnet" ),  which achieve the same effect  )

      However,  as I mentioned before,  people have/must already have designed and successfully built these things( 'full'-levitation-versions,  long before me  )

      Note : I have not successfully built any of these things, I don't have appropriate magnets etc

      Note : this is actually mentioned on the wikipedia-pages for  earnshaws-theorem,  and for  magnetic-levitation
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earnshaw's_theorem
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Earnshaw's theorem has no exceptions for non-moving permanent ferromagnets. However, Earnshaw's theorem does not necessarily apply to moving ferromagnets
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation
           In the page above for magnetic-levitation,  it is even more ambiguously mentioned,  so much so that at the moment I can no longer pinpoint it, they may have changed it, but basically this page just refers to Earnshaw's-theorem anyway
     
      obviously you'll find no pictures of this,  on wikipedia,  and people like the 2 members on this site will not post anything either,  as you probably see why

      so today, these homebuilt devices must be very common in households interested in them

      Note :  This also applies to   'Electrostatics'

      Levitating-Toy-Train 
         So, using my designs,  and/or the invention in the video,  you should be able to build a toy All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation  Train,  using flexible magnetic-strips( having N-S polarity ) as tracks,  so basically,  you would have  3-rails
             -  two outer-rails to repel the train upwards
             -  and one-inner-rail  to anchor/attract( 'no'-contact, just like the  "inverter magnet" )  the train to the track
        (  However,  the inventions that  Pre-Date  the  "inverter magnet"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU  ,  could mean that this train could be achieved just by using  just  2-rails  )
            As you can see,  this train would never be allowed in toy shops.

       (  these are the only of any of my designs that I tried building, but I don't have the right magnets  )

       Apparently, according to one of the members on this site, the very simplest way to achieve this  is just by using a  magnetic-cylinder,  to repel something inside?/above it?
       
       But this was actually also a miscellaneous design I included in a PDF I posted on this-? site and on other places,  my design was simply a  ring-magnet,  and then you have the  floating-magnet  floating just above it( in it's center ),  and keeping it in place using the methods below
        in the design I posted in places( I can't remember precisely where ),
        -  below the  ring-magnet,  I included  a  magnetic-anchor( 'no'-contact, just like the  "inverter magnet" ),  to keep the  floating-magnet( a long component maybe containing 2 magnets )  right in the center( and slightly above) of the  ring-magnet
        -  but a much easier way would be to have a  weight( non metallic, or non magnetizable )  hanging down from the  floating-magnet  to keep it floating  right in the center( and slightly above) of the  ring-magnet,  a  gravity-magnetic-floater
       

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2017, 01:48:00 AM »
The weight, fixed over a rigid rod, would also and especially prevent the floater to flip over.


all PM levitation is possible, but difficult, just like placing a soccer ball on a piece of fluffy rubber foam. Although I don't see any first law violation, and I'd be surprised about that constant vibration thing since I'd rather expect it to settle down at the equilibrium.


A Microwave oven magnet may be used to repell the floater magnet. If the repulsion is strong enough for both, floater and the mentioned weight.


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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2017, 04:30:27 PM »
hi everyone

after reading about this motor and do some tests I decided to try build one because after testing when magnet is surrounded by steel there is almost no attraction force anymore so I think 90% that this might work :)

will update soon...

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2017, 12:44:53 PM »
update:

currently done 80% :)

the attraction between magnet and steel plate which demagnetize a magnet is lower than i thought. it will easily move with the spring which pull it back while operate...

https://youtu.be/FZ0kX6kBVfY


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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2017, 02:59:49 PM »
update:

currently done 80% :)

the attraction between magnet and steel plate which demagnetize a magnet is lower than i thought. it will easily move with the spring which pull it back while operate...

https://youtu.be/FZ0kX6kBVfY

Excellent work!, keep going, your setup look really awesome and solid. The Luling motor is the only one that i found worth a build.

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