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Offline poynt99

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Re: All You Know is Wrong - That's Official ;-)
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2015, 05:03:52 AM »
I see the big guns are leaving this one alone ::)
Easier to bury your head in the sand,than to find out what you thought was right is in fact wrong. ;)

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Re: All You Know is Wrong - That's Official ;-)
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2015, 07:28:40 AM »
I think i can, as i don't know much about it myself.

Electrons, they have a frequency and a wave length, the same as all bodies, except when heavier, then the wave length is smaller. Thus the experiments such as a two slit experiment (bohm always called it a two slit experiment not a double slit experiment) can be done with electrons, the same as with photons. Like you can calculate your frequency and wave length, when knowing your weight. Your wave length is very small though, which makes for you somewhat difficult to walk through the walls.

Now consider a coil which is shielded the way that there is no magnetic field outside of it. When an electron beam passes near it, then the frequency of the electrons has a phase shift when there is a magnetic field inside the coil, and none if there is no magnetic field. The frequency of the electrons themselves, as i explained above, not the frequency with which the electron beam is modulated.

The problem with that is that their mathematics cannot describe that effect well. David Bohm was all about interconnectedness, and thus likely thought that the effect is non-local. Non-local because there is no magnetic field outside the coil, thus the electrons sense something which cannot affect them directly.

David Bohm has a concept of implicate order, that is all the reality is a changing interconnected network, with changing network topology, that is. Mathematics, that is analytical expressions, cannot describe such network. By that, particles are changing structures of connections. They have frequency, they behave like waves, and their structure is over a larger area, due to the way the changes of connections happen there, a propagating process which is a general form of wave. Yet their structure is separate from anything else and cannot merge with it, thus the wave particle duality. Like charged particles may regularly create long extensions of that structure, which may look like thunderbolts, when they cross each other, the particles interact with each other. This is the way how objects can find each other in the 3d world, because they cannot see each other, so the have to "stumble" the things around them, with such "thunderbolts". It is that people cannot imagine such kind of changing structures, this is why it is very difficult for them to understand the things, like particles.

Theory of relativity, well, this theory is all about that things are completely separated, to completely disregard interconnectedness. Like say another planet moves towards us with a half of the speed of light. Now when we have a large telescope, we see that the time goes faster on that planet. But when they on that planet have a large telescope, too, then they see that the time goes faster on our planet. So on what planet then does the time go faster? The speed is relative, but in spite that this theory is so much about relativity, it seems to sometimes consider that speed is not relative. Well anyway, this theory may well fail when anything has to do with interconnectedness, that is non-locality. Because this theory assumes that things are completely separated from each other, may not have anything common or anything which ties them together. Not that it is entirely wrong, but it just may not describe things adequately enough.

This is the limitation of human thinking, one should be not human, to understand it better. Like ayeaye's are like forms of aliens, their thinking is different ;)

I don't know that this effect can cause any real force or has any considerable physical effect. As i said, it is mostly just about that their mathematics cannot well describe that effect. So they come up with different ways how mathematics may describe it, but analytical equations are inherently an incomplete model by themselves, thus they can be made more exact, but can nevertheless never describe everything exactly. So it may rather be just an unnecessary mental exercise.

So this is i think what every 5 year old will understand.

The following picture depicts two electrons, trying to find each other.

Is that how you talk to a 5 year old? Lol

Just kidding but you have a lot of stuff going on there to ponder about. One of the many that got me wondering/pondering is that “do electrons have different mass or are they all the same size?” Now you have me thinking/wondering too “what is spinning around an electron?”

Another thing, what is it with mathematicians trying to ONLY focus on the singularity? I think part of the reason “the big bang” makes sense to a mathematician is because it hits a singularity. The opposite of “the big bang” will only be understood as a negative number. And that is over and done with I assume. That may well make sense in the numbers but but math cannot explain the whole universe...what is the math equation for glass? Not the recipe for items used to make glass, but the MATH why the light passes through it. I think people HIT a certain area where they believe that they already figured out EVERYTHING and feel superior to everything else YET TO BE DISCOVERED! So they close their mind and only spent their life trying to “teach” people instead of keep on learning.

At any rate, I didn't really understood what you meant :P can you explain it like if you where talking to an embryo? lol


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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2015, 07:46:52 AM »
It's quite simple actually,

There is a part of an old equation that was cut off to make the calculations more easy, and also "because it doesn't do anything" but little did they know back then, and little do most know now.
You can actually measure this potential it has a pronounced effect around high voltage discharges, and i am not talking about RF or X-rays or something like that.
There is another field and this is the field you could be interested in, but most keep playing with statics and magnetic s.
You can identify or notice this field the easiest way by using a moving conductor, it does not need to be magnetic nor does it have to have magnetic properties anything will work, but like what we see in magnets, it has to be in motion to notice the effects.
You move this conductor, let's say you use a metal plate, can be anything, copper ,alu, iron, you make sure it is close to ground, or, you vary the distance between ground and the conductor, that is one of the ways, since you can notice it is there by noticing the differences just like magnetic s.
It's not all, this field can move over insulators, actually it is moving over insulators as we speak but you are most likely unaware of it.

Offline tinman

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Re: All You Know is Wrong - That's Official ;-)
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2015, 08:04:56 AM »

Nice picture,but it would be far more useful to point out his mistake's-->dont you think?.


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Re: All You Know is Wrong - That's Official ;-)
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2015, 08:13:52 AM »



     Did you read 14?
                 John.

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Offline joel321

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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2015, 08:33:12 AM »
It may not be relevant but this also got me thinking about “food”, “energy”. All living things need food to survive. Basically they need to eat to survive and also need to exchange “energy” to make babies. Hmmm...when it comes to the quantum level, this makes me think that even at the quantum level the electrons need food to survive and also they have a “father and mother” but since they are not humans like us, the electron could easily just change “” at will because the rules change in the quantum level. If a bunch of electrons can all of a sudden become protons, wow. If one pictures the world as waves and quantum particles, it's more complex than just 0's and 1's.

Now that I think about it, money is the corruption of the mother nature universal laws of energy. The math of energy is of an equal and opposite reaction? Even poop is energy for microbial animals and i'm assuming the microbial animals poop all the way down to the quantum microbes. But money, it would be more healthy to eat poop than to eat money...lol

At any rate, if all life needs energy to survive, an electron or a photon need “food” too? Which reminds me, what is spinning around a photon? Many photons = the speed of light. But if whatever is spining around a photon is the same speed as the speed of light THEN the light would cancel out, IWO, the “unknown” spinning/orbiting around the photon must me going at greater speed than the speed of light.  If you think of a car going at 30MPH the wheels spin wayyy faster than the forward motion of the car. Now think of the “wheels” of light = must be going/wiggling/waving faster than the speed of light...lol

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2015, 08:44:43 AM »
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It's quite simple actually,

There is a part of an old equation that was cut off to make the calculations more easy, and also "because it doesn't do anything" but little did they know back then, and little do most know now.
You can actually measure this potential it has a pronounced effect around high voltage discharges, and i am not talking about RF or X-rays or something like that.
There is another field and this is the field you could be interested in, but most keep playing with statics and magnetic s.
You can identify or notice this field the easiest way by using a moving conductor, it does not need to be magnetic nor does it have to have magnetic properties anything will work, but like what we see in magnets, it has to be in motion to notice the effects.
You move this conductor, let's say you use a metal plate, can be anything, copper ,alu, iron, you make sure it is close to ground, or, you vary the distance between ground and the conductor, that is one of the ways, since you can notice it is there by noticing the differences just like magnetic s.
It's not all, this field can move over insulators, actually it is moving over insulators as we speak but you are most likely unaware of it.

Do you have a visual reference to go with that?

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Re: All You Know is Wrong - That's Official ;-)
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2015, 09:08:59 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJw_Bo00ME



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This guy is lost. "Charge is a fundamental part of the magnetic field"?  ???   He can't seem to figure why of how current is induced in a closed loop when a changing uniform magnetic field is passing through and outside the loop. "It's ambiguous". Really, is it? Not. There are no charges in the magnetic field
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This one we wont agree on Poynt. As i have said before,and say now-->magnetic fields are positive and negative charges.I know,you and most other big guns will just dismiss this as rubbish(as has happened before),but no one has yet offered another theory or explanation to what the magnetic force is. My theory fit's all situations(including the homopolar generator paradox),and is yet to be proven wrong.Like charges repel,unlike charges attract.


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The "Disconnect tell". Now that is hilarious too. Good grief! Apparently he is not aware that it is the resulting circular E field which induces current in the loop, not the B field.

Are you sure?. The electric field is caused by electric charges or varying magnetic fields. Quote: since the magnetic field is described as a function of electric field, the equations of both fields are coupled and together form Maxwell's equations that describe both fields as a function of charges and currents. So how do you know which field induces the current,when you cannot have one without the other?. Without the B field,there would be no induction. Current only exist when a B field is present-->or a B field only exist when a current is flowing.

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I don't think it's time to rewrite the text books just yet!

I think it's time they got a good going over. If you shut those books Poynt,then maybe that elusive TPU would come to light-->and i know your on board with that one. ;)

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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2015, 12:02:52 PM »
Charges, my primitive understanding is this. A magnetic dipole is a revolving charge, like a wheel. Magnetic field is thus like a kind of rotating electrostatic field. The current in the wire orientates dipoles, somewhat the way like a car wheel goes against the road. Now when these dipoles stand still, this doesn't induce current, because the electrons find places where the forces are in balance, kind of, and don't move. This is why unchanging magnetic field doesn't induce current. But when more these dipoles come, then this kind of kicks the electrons and forces them to move. Again orientating the dipoles may need less work than the work that the dipoles do. This is just to have some idea, something very complex is going on there which cannot be described easily, yet it is said to be the most basic.

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2015, 12:42:32 PM »
Is that how you talk to a 5 year old? Lol
Now you have me thinking/wondering too “what is spinning around an electron?”
Spinning, well. Considering that a particle is a changing structure of connections, a lot can be going on there. Cyclic processes that are similar to waving. But also processes which are similar to rotating. And many other things. It is a structure, on the lattice of space. As such, particles can even be inside each other, yet they maintain their identity, their structure is separate and keeps its integrity. Yet they can interact with other such structures. Such structures of connections can do whatever, like a computer code, yet they remain "physical". Thus it is not really important to find physical reasons for everything, the particles just function the way they do. And it cannot be completely described by analytical equations, for the reason i said before. The geometric patterns may have importance though, this has been found in quantum mechanics recently, why, because the patterns of connections matter in such structures.

I don't understand, all the quantum mechanics started when Planck found that everything physical, that is distances, time and everything else, is discrete. So space is a grid, may be changing grid yet grid, and all is structures of connections. This is what quantum mechanics should mean as i understand, yet it has been tried to have an understanding that it isn't so.

Well, by 5 year olds i meant 5 year old alien-like ayeayes, which can be somewhat different from human 5 year olds, so i guess i misunderstood somewhat ;)

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2015, 01:11:02 PM »
Nice picture,but it would be far more useful to point out his mistake's-->dont you think?.
http://overunity.com/15807/all-you-know-is-wrong-thats-official-/msg452818/#msg452818

I pointed out a couple of things here. That's as far as I needed to go to see there is a problem.

The current theory stands; it's up to you or him to point out where it is lacking. I see that he does not understand the current theory, so he has made up his own.
 

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2015, 01:23:51 PM »
Spinning, well. Considering that a particle is a changing structure of connections, a lot can be going on there. Cyclic processes that are similar to waving. But also processes which are similar to rotating. And many other things. It is a structure, on the lattice of space. As such, particles can even be inside each other, yet they maintain their identity, their structure is separate and keeps its integrity. Yet they can interact with other such structures. Such structures of connections can do whatever, like a computer code, yet they remain "physical". Thus it is not really important to find physical reasons for everything, the particles just function the way they do. And it cannot be completely described by analytical equations, for the reason i said before. The geometric patterns may have importance though, this has been found in quantum mechanics recently, why, because the patterns of connections matter in such structures.

I don't understand, all the quantum mechanics started when Planck found that everything physical, that is distances, time and everything else, is discrete. So space is a grid, may be changing grid yet grid, and all is structures of connections. This is what quantum mechanics should mean as i understand, yet it has been tried to have an understanding that it isn't so.

Well, by 5 year olds i meant 5 year old alien-like ayeayes, which can be somewhat different from human 5 year olds, so i guess i misunderstood somewhat ;)
Can we see that grid structure in nature, of course we can.

Magnetic fields permeate space,

 When we think of the magnetic field we tend to think of one field line but there are millions, they more than likely have an ordered structure.



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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2015, 07:50:44 AM »
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Spinning, well. Considering that a particle is a changing structure of connections, a lot can be going on there. Cyclic processes that are similar to waving. But also processes which are similar to rotating. And many other things. It is a structure, on the lattice of space. As such, particles can even be inside each other, yet they maintain their identity, their structure is separate and keeps its integrity. Yet they can interact with other such structures. Such structures of connections can do whatever, like a computer code, yet they remain "physical". Thus it is not really important to find physical reasons for everything, the particles just function the way they do. And it cannot be completely described by analytical equations, for the reason i said before. The geometric patterns may have importance though, this has been found in quantum mechanics recently, why, because the patterns of connections matter in such structures.

I don't understand, all the quantum mechanics started when Planck found that everything physical, that is distances, time and everything else, is discrete. So space is a grid, may be changing grid yet grid, and all is structures of connections. This is what quantum mechanics should mean as i understand, yet it has been tried to have an understanding that it isn't so.

Well, by 5 year olds i meant 5 year old alien-like ayeayes, which can be somewhat different from human 5 year olds, so i guess i misunderstood somewhat 

Basically what you are saying that everything has a frequency while at the same time there is a frequency governing that frequency. I understand that, I get it. I understand that light is a frequency too and has it's limits. I understand that a flashlight inside a room would not emit the light inside a closed room walls while a WiFi router waves inside a closed room would penetrate walls. This can ONLY mean that the “particles” that govern the slower waves can move though solids way easier than those that go at the speed of light. Slow waves can penetrate solid walls way easier than fast waves…

What I don't understand is Chen Ning Yang's  equation. What is so special about it?

BTW, from what planet do ayeaye aliens come from? Do you have a picture of one?

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Can we see that grid structure in nature, of course we can.



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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2015, 01:15:29 AM »
http://overunity.com/15807/all-you-know-is-wrong-thats-official-/msg452818/#msg452818

I pointed out a couple of things here. That's as far as I needed to go to see there is a problem.

The current theory stands; it's up to you or him to point out where it is lacking. I see that he does not understand the current theory, so he has made up his own.
So your saying his theory is wrong because it dosnt agree with current theory ???
Well that IS his argument-->he dosnt agree with current theory. What i see is this guy doing and showing results from actual test,verses current written theory. His whole point is to show that current theory is wrong,so why would he use the understood current theory?.

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