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Offline TechStuf

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2015, 12:33:24 AM »
Ask yourselves why the "right hand rule" is important in EM wave propagation.  What are the more interesting dynamics in EM fields which cause a rotor to turn....and is it possible to employ PMs in a creative manner to accomplish same?

Or...more importantly...if all sorts of interesting geometric gear shapes can mesh at little cost, how might PM fields interact with one another in order to affect an electric current of sufficient strength to drive the process?

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2014/04/ancient-high-performance-electric-motors-discovered-that-are-still-in-production-2685290.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/spies-and-intelligence/2015/05/mt-everest-shrinks-hawaii-rumbles-their-connections-are-important-but-why-2447232.html


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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2015, 12:33:24 AM »

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2015, 02:03:35 AM »
There is some interesting stuff around, I've heard of resonance switching before which may be linked with what you are talking about
Resonance is just a word for something happening better in certain conditions. No, it's just v = L * di / dt , comes from the Faraday's law of induction. Initially current goes through the coil, because the coil has almost no resistance then, means almost no voltage either. The magnetic field is linear to the current. But the voltage, the force to create current, induced is the greater, the faster the magnetic field increases, notice the dt . It's in essence as trivial as that. And mosfet evidently switches fast enough for overunity. We may talk about it further in this thread http://overunity.com/14925/negative-discharge-effect/#.VW-iUTr52rM .

The following is only a pure speculation, not related to that above. I don't know that, additional energy, the reason for that may be electrostatic. So the strength of the current really depends on how fast the circuit is switched on, finally though the current goes back and forth, and the voltages settle how they should in the circuit. So to get energy from that, one also needs to switch off the circuit fast enough, and mechanical relays are not good for that. I have seen in a four plate capacitor, the voltage between two plates oscillates between settling, so i wondered why is that. So this is about that switching, of capacitors, and a possible reason why this may provide an additional energy. Would be simpler of course, because of capacitors only and no coil, but is less straight-forward and clear, what concerns theory. There may be something about current which we maybe have not been told, current may be in a way more dynamic as it is thought to be. But this goes already very far from permanent magnet motors.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2015, 09:50:53 AM by ayeaye »

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2015, 02:16:49 PM »
Yes well, re (Aveaye) I’m not so sure this man’s opinions are such to take as gospel ! he appears as far as I can see to be talking about resonance of a powdered substance on a table vibrated by sound till its mechanical resonance is reached. But is the device driving that frequency also at its own resonance, I doubt it very much and if not how would one reach a power factor of resonance ? now would we use parallel resonance or serial resonance, and what is the difference, (one hell of a lot) I might add, and what is a longitudinal wave and a transverse, one hell of a lot again, my advice is to look on Yutube for university lectures and avoid listening to half baked ideas on this comic strip ! ;)

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2015, 02:55:48 PM »
AlienGrey, well yeah, different waves. But how can something act as a wave, and also as a particle? The matter is, there is something more general than a wave, propagation of a process. Wave is only a special case of it.

But these things should be discussed somewhere else, this thread should be about general theory of a permanent magnet motor. But all things come together, yes. This is all about the same field, electromagnetic, or should one say electric, electrostatic is like only about a static part of it.


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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2015, 01:46:46 PM »
Jim36, did your magnets with circular field arrive? Cannot wait...

Also, there seems to be something extraordinary in the Faraday's homopolar motor. The current there has to create magnetic field only once, and then nothing seems to work against that current, the strength of the magnetic field doesn't change. So it looks like that the only energy used is that necessary for creating a magnetic field once. Plus that lost in the wire as a heat, but what if such thing is made using a superconductor? In that one made with a battery, there is a terrible waste of energy, all is lost just to maintain current, with otherwise maybe nothing decreasing it. Just thoughts.

TechStuf, no, it doesn't mean that god created us, what an ignorant conclusion of otherwise so brilliant thinking. It means something else, that it is not about these randomly moving particles, or then molecules. It is about something else which they have not considered, developing of a network. Well god then, what one calls god. Whatever it is one may call god, we, and all the nature, are part of it. Now say god doesn't exist, what doesn't exist then, we, or nature, or reality, nothing exists? Talking about god as an abstract concept, not even defined, but causes a lot of damage to our brain, because god means something for many people. Which is not the same as god of any religion, not necessarily the same, not every way the same. What humans have been told different from ayeaye's, well, that ayeaye thing is a joke. That is meant to deliberately hide something. Ayeayes come from a different place, where are no dimensions, or not dimensions the same way as they are here, it is difficult to describe it, and impossible to draw on a 2D picture. Anyway, one cannot hide things from ayeaye's, the same one can hide them from humans. Because ayeaye's thinking is inherently different. Well, as i said, what i'm talking about ayeaye's is a joke. But there have to be jokes too.

But even these randomly moving particles, they have not properly simulated these either. Consider simulating these moving dots, each of which can only attract the others. What a complex things can come out of it. Now consider that these can both attract and repulse each other. And they are all moving. This is exponentially more complex.

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2015, 01:46:46 PM »
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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2015, 01:16:45 AM »
Hi Ayeaye,

I'm still waiting for the delivery of them, it could be another 10-20 days yet. The homopolar motor is unique by the way the stator field and rotor are always at the same position relative to each other. I'm not sure what you mean by 'The current there has to create magnetic field only once', do you mean just a pulse? I would think that the current would need to be sustained to overcome friction.

Jim

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2015, 01:38:57 AM »
I would think that the current would need to be sustained to overcome friction.
No, the friction weirdly does not seem to decrease the current, in any way.

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2015, 05:59:20 PM »
Jim36,

When you get these magnets, you may try something like that below. You may not believe, but this bent wire stays quite well in balance. It stays because of the weights on it. Fix with a mounting tape, should hold well, but of course i don't know the size of your magnets. What i put on that stator magnet, just happened to be a film container. The film container's lid also just happens to have a small concavity in the center, so it will not move anywhere, but it should work even without that. Just maybe it may help, maybe may give you some idea.

Why there is not much friction when the wire is bent that way, is that then the shape where it touches the surface, is almost spherical.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2015, 09:44:43 PM by ayeaye »

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2015, 03:12:00 PM »
Hi all,

The tube magnets have arrived but on initial testing the field is not correct  :(, I will try to redeem the experiment and possibly have them corrected here in the UK.

See pictures in following post of tube magnets.

Jim

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2015, 04:12:03 AM »
I was trying to get a response from a similar setup by using about 10 diametrically polarized cylinders forming a ring.
The ring of magnets had almost no external field after forming them into the ring, so it was a magnetic ring just like the field around a wire with current.

It seems that if the field is contained internally there is no way another outside field can affect it and the experiment did nothing.


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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2015, 07:51:21 AM »
Maybe it may work when the ring magnet is thin, it takes 10 mm of iron to shield the magnetic field in any noticeable way.

But if the permanent magnet motors are not the way to go at all, then it's of course better to know it.

Jim36, you have at least the magnets, so you can magnetize them. Such tube-like magnets may though be the worst, in that not many of these thick wires needed for magnetizing circularly, can go in there. The best for the purpose is likely a ring magnet with a possibly larger hole. For that money you could buy a welder instead, and you could magnetize magnets by yourself as much as you want. A microwave transformer may also do that, some use it for welding, but also may not be powerful enough.

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2015, 01:17:35 PM »
Lumen, you maybe correct and the external field will have no effect, this is something i'm not sure of.

Ayeaye, yes I was thinking of getting the holes made wider for the reasons you have just mentioned, will see if I can get things moving forward.

Jim


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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2015, 04:04:48 PM »
Jim36, Lumen, i think the field of the external magnet should go inside the circularly magnetized magnet, and still create a force. The only thing that prevents that, i think, is magnetic shielding of the metal of the circularly magnetized magnet. But shielding a magnetic field needs at least 10 mm of iron, so when the circularly magnetized magnet is thinner (less difference between the outside and inside diameter), then there may be an effect, when it is, say 20 mm thick, then maybe not. I'm not sure about numbers, didn't calculate anything, but i have found that a 10 mm of iron can shield the magnetic field. What do you think, right, wrong?

This may also mean that the external magnet should be quite near the circularly magnetized magnet, as the circularly magnetized magnet has no field outside.

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2015, 08:10:01 PM »
Maybe some effect could exist if the circular field was in something other than the magnets.
Like if a ring of copper were drilled for several diametrically magnetized cylinders with a small distance between them so the circular field existed partially in the copper.
Then there would exist a medium where an external field could interact and hopefully generate the desired effect.
 

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Re: Permanent magnet motor
« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2015, 11:51:39 PM »
THE FOLLOWING  'SCIENTIFIC PHENOMENON'  WILL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE SOME  'ELECTRICAL CURRENT'  IN YOUR  NON-ELECTRIC HOMOPOLAR/FARADAY MOTOR PROTOTYPES   

Just posting this to try and make sure everyone in this thread knows about a real, and incredible phenomenon called    'Persistent Current',    basically,    in a   LOOP  made of either a non-superconductor or a superconductor,  a   'naturally-occurring'   electrical current flows in the loop,  without any electrical input from outside of the loop.    This effect is particularly strong in superconductors,  but has also been proven to occur in non-superconductors( any normal conducting ring ).   THIS IS THE PUREST EXAMPLE OF FREE ENERGY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_current

Admittedly,  it would be best if you sought advice from a scientist specializing in  'Persistent Current',   to make maximum use of it in your  prototypes .

BEFORE I BECAME AWARE OF THIS PARTICULAR THREAD
Before I became aware of this particular thread,    I designed a very simple   Non-Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor )   to make use of the above phenomenon,  and posted it in a thread I started ,  below :
http://overunity.com/15918/perpetual-motion-permanent-magnet-faraday-motor/#.Vbk737Oqqko

And,  then,  I posted another extremely simple  Non-Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor ) to make make use of the  principle by which a normal   Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor ) works.   
I TRULY BELIEVE THIS  MOTOR  I POSTED,  ACTUALLY PROVIDES THE SAME MAGNETIC-FIELDS THAT PROPELS A NORMAL  Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor ).

(  The thread I started   above,   probably won't have any more activity,  and I'm pasting my posts from that thread,  over to this one.    )

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