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Author Topic: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work  (Read 15008 times)

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Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work.
Why the  Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP does not work.

Here again a closed Thread, that only states the facts from all the recent research, why it does not work
and how the 5 KWatt AuKW was faked at the public demonstrations in Spich at the Rosch facility.

This thread is locked, so that no discussion will try to circumvent these facts.


Discussions can be made in the other threads about the AuKW KPP.

Here are the facts, from:

http://overunity.com/15755/how-rosch-probably-faked-their-5-kwatt-kpp-aukw/msg450281/#msg450281

Since I read this summary by User Allfather:
https://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw113123-1249#id14300533

And also the comparison between the placement of the components ontop of the roof-plate
between before the measurement day and at the dismantling day:
 Compare this:
https://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw113123-1262#id14304481

Now it is clear to me that it is just a Fake and the power came through the
upper support beam during the 10 day Demonstration.

Also the hole, that was closed again via a freshly welded metal plate in the upper metal beam proves,
that there was a cable leading to the Generator from inside the tube...!

The hidden cable was then removed during the last few days before
the dismantling day and at that day the power came from a hidden
distributor cable from the next room. (hidden behind the red lift platform crane)

You can see here the guy with the Karo-Shirt, how he removes the cable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R2tZvGxkhA
Also the KWh-power meter was no longer connected ! Also a proof
that the power came from somewhere else !

So now the Gaia-Rosch KPP is proven for me as a Fake and busted
and I will no longer care about it.
It already has costs me too much wasted time...

Also here is a comparison of the Generator from different dates.
You see, that the hook, where the generator can be lifted with , in the second picture
is only half screwed in, so there would be space to hide a hidden cable in this hole
and bring it up via a special hole there.
And additionally there is  a black plastic nipple at the connector box, where the cable
could have been brought into the connector box of the generator.

See:

http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw113123-1280#id14311123

Here are again all the pictures that proof this.

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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2015, 12:50:00 AM »
Here is another proof, that there was a cable going behind the red crane lift.
Mr. Dohmen just said, that it was only for charging the batteries of the crane,
but it surely could also be used to power the whole AuKW at the dismantling day for
3 hours !


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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2015, 10:24:55 AM »
Here are a few more pictures:

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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2015, 05:01:46 AM »
Here are 2 pictures from the hall, when they were still renovated.
In the first one you can see already a big hole there...


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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2015, 05:06:47 AM »
Here are 2 new movies from me. where I show, that connecting the heatpanels did
not change the ampmeters at the dismantling day and that is why the power came then from
the other hall in via normally the output connector and that this way the power was not rounted
through the ampmeters...

The 2nd video shows again, where the hidden power cables when below the belts and behind the
wooden palette and behind the red crane to the big  tube, where they had a 3 phase distributor box
connected there to power the lamps and other loads and the right cabinet box via its red plug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARo06ZgMlM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E_9D5FaXyA


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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2015, 10:50:21 AM »
Here is a new video from me showing that there is no automatic control of the airpressure
for the floats what Mr. Beiser always claimed, so he is now caught not telling the truth.
Also I show the proofs, that the Tube was already dismantled once
before the dismantling day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imq6li6HY2M

Regards, Stefan.

P.S. Here are the German threads to it:
http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw113123-1354#id14350179
http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw113123-1365#id14358544

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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2015, 01:33:22 AM »
Rosch is trying to get big company investors to put into it Millions of Euros as advancement
payments... The Gaia AuKW customers are only peanuts for them...

Mr. Dohmen ist looking for a Billion Euros as he said in a recent interview.
He would only allow testing, if a Billion Euros are first transfered to his bank account...

Here is an interview with a German TV station from last Wednesday with the physics guy of a German
university as the counterpart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrkdGC4hcs

Here Dohmen blames Gaia for not getting the money already transfered and for all the delays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBya0VRsNxw

He says:
"Ein sehr unangenehmer Partner" sagt er wörtlich zu Gaia !

"A very displeasing partner" he talks about the relationship with Gaia.


I would like to know, what the people at Gaia think about these words...??

The best thing is, when he was asked what would be the conditions to let it test
from a third party:

"Wenn Sie uns vorher ne Milliarde aufs Konto packen, natürlich !"

"Surely, if you transfer first a Billion Euros to our bank acoount, then for sure !"
Then he was asked by the reporter, why 1 Billion Euros ?
Then Dohmen answer:
"Because this is the money we want to earn with it..."

So you have it...now we know, how much money they want to make with it all in all..

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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 12:35:44 AM »
Here is the edited TÜV report with uncensored pics...

Rosch did the mistake just to add  a censoring  PDF layer, which could be again deleted..
They just added these white censoring layer, which could be easily removed via the right PDF editor...

Seems the did the same mistake as the graphics editors in the Obama birth certificate  case...

So we now have the full report also with 3 full pictures added here:

http://filehorst.de/download.php?file=bGIpIaeB
http://filehorst.de/d/bluBiacG
http://filehorst.de/d/blFdCuAA
http://filehorst.de/download.php?file=bppyijib

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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 05:20:19 AM »
I got sent an email to me :

Stefan, Stuart Campbell claims that Rosch have used legal means to shut down parts of your website and intend to kill your websites in their entirety:

" Stuart Campbell Moderating Team ngepro • 3 hours ago

There are over 100 legal notices already issued. I have seen them.
Stefan Hartmann has already had parts of his site closed down. They intend to close the whole site down. They know they will get no money, but they will get principle.
First the Germans and then the Dutchmen and Americans.
Your name is on their list.
This is not a threat, this is happening. Do not take it lightly."


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No I did not receive any notices or emails or letters from Rosch regarding this yet.
So this is not true.
Also both forums are still working.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 05:51:56 AM »
Here you can see a picture from  Stuart Campbell,
that he recorded with his heat-sensitive camera when  Rosch 
was running the new 15 KW KPP demonstrations for him and Sterling Allan.

Unfortunately, his pics from the FLIR camera were there somewhat contradictory, because in some pictures
all 4 generator-table legs were cold ... it surely depends when the other pictures were taken...maybe before starting the unit or when it was off again ? ...

But here in this picture  you can easily see that the rear right generator-table leg is warmer and also
in the ground in front of it there seems to be a little heat radiation also...

Since the generator table could not be examined by Stuart and Sterling whether a  hidden cable was used,
it could be that a hidden cable through a hollow beam of the leg was used to bring in the electrical power that drives the whole system.

Why else would this leg be warmer than the rest?

Probably the generator works then as a motor and not as a  generator ...

Sterling and Stuart have apparently made no electrical measurements and were only allowed to watch and make some movies .

Also they were promised by Rosch to get some affiliate commissions, if they bring Rosch new customers..
so they now seem to ask no more  questions ...

Really a not very scientific approach to get bought out by Rosch this way...

Here's what to Sterling writes:
http://pesn.com/2015/06/24/9602634_Rosch-CEO_had-enough-of-bullshitters/
"Full Disclosure
We at PES Network will benefit from sales / licenses did result from our networking (including our news coverage).
Be sure to mention to Rosh what role PES Played in bringing you to the table, if you end up there. "

So he gets a commission if he brings new customers to Rosch ....


Especially, there is an additional info there:

"From:" Patrick NIES "
Sent: June 24, 2015 3:00 am
Hi Sterling,
About the Side of the tension of the chain on Rosh system, there is no need to do more tests.
We can CLEARLY see on the videos you've made That it's the KPP Which drive the generator and
Not the inverse => The Upper side is straight, the lower is loose. "

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Well I watched again all videos of Sterling and he was not even able to film the chains in a contineous way,
nor the start of the device in a good spot to see the ramp up of the chains and handwheel...
So he missed the most important evidence once again...

But at least J.D. captured in his video the chains a bit better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXGUuyReDFA
Have a look at around Minute 3:40.

I would now say the Generator is really a  Motor..
There is a lot of oscillation of the chains..

But I would say, the lower part of the chain is stronger tight. So this makes the Generator a real Motor .

But exactly you see it at the first chain that goes up after the handwheel !
At 3:40 you see, that the righ side of the chain is oscillating, but the left side
of the chain sits tight straight, but the right side is loose and oscillates.

This action shows us that the KPP is driven by a motor and not the other way around !

So that proves, that the Generator works as a motor and thus must have a hidden power cable !
This hidden power cable then also powers the compressor.
The hidden power cable goes probably via the table leg into the footer of the generator and is there
forwarded to the output connectors of the generator. So they probably have a Y-connector somewhere hidden inside this motor,
so the motor is powered by the hidden cable and the power is also fed to the output terminals inside the blue upper connection box
of this motor...

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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2015, 01:56:53 AM »
Another tell involving the motor is that when they put a tachometer on it, the speed was very steady. 

The paternoster has a several second mechanical cycle where one float comes out of the water goes over the top and then sinks back into the water. 

During this cycle the torque on the drive sprocket changes, which would reflect in any generator working into a constant load as a speed variation and in turn a power variation to the loads. 

The motor speed and the power to the lights is instead does not show any hint of variation. 

A motor driven by the mains with a big torque advantage via the reduction set would not vary much with the changing paternoster load. 

Lights driven by the mains would not vary either.

And this is exactly what we see there in the Rosch demo. So the generator is in reality a motor that is powered by a hidden cable.

Many thanks to MarkE for pointing this out to me.


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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2015, 06:12:45 PM »
As Sterling asked Andre in this video:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT4ywRt89Iw

at Minute 7:08 , why the third phase had  14 Amps instead of 12 amps as the other 2 phases had,  Andre switched off one of the heaters or reduced its power by one step.

But  at this moment you did not hear any change in the pitch of the generator !

That is already a proof, that the loads are powered by the grid, because otherwise you would have heard a small change of rpm in the generator and thus a change in the sound it makes...at least for half a second or so...as you took away load from the generator it should have turned a bit faster for a moment and that should be heard !


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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2015, 06:59:11 PM »
Well, I rewatched again in slowmotion several times the starting procedure in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT4ywRt89Iw
starting at Minute 4:09.

Now it is getting clear that it is all really a fake powered by a hidden power cable and the generator is really only
a motor.

First Andre plugs in the pressurized air from the hall to the compressor tank and then switches
on the control computer.
At this time already some air is going via the yellow "U" turn hose into the tube floats.

Watch then exactly  how Andre is starting the tube-paternoster  via the handwheel !
He turns it several seconds before releasing it, but then the wheel slows down and almost comes to a stop,
while the hose from their hall pressurized air is still connected...
So at this time it seems not much air is going into the floats, so not much buoyancy at the floats
and so the chains and the handwheel are slowing down.

Now Andre goes to the cabinet control boxes and switches on a switch at Minute 4:57 ! Now the
handwheel accelerates very fast and the chains also begin to turn very fast. !

This can only be explained, that he just turned on a motor that drives the chains !

So the generator is really a motor !

How else could it be explained ?

If he would just have released the pressurized air into the yellow hose,
the hose would have moved a bit due to the sudden pressure difference it would have received...
Also it would have taken much more longer to build up the speed as the air needs time to fill up the floats.

So as he switched on the motor it revealed the fake ! This can only be a motor that brings the chains
and handwheel to this fast rotation and it needs a hidden power cable !

And then Andre finally switched on the compressor.

As this switch seems also to switch on the other loads,
it has a huge surge on the amp draw it takes from the hidden power cable that goes probably through the table
leg and through the motor, you can also hear this.

Unfortunately Sterling moved there a lot and had a bad filming position, so you could not see, if the yellow
hose moved there, when the compressor started.

Then Andre just unpluggs the main building´s  air hose and the whole thing is powered by the hidden cable going through the
motor.
Also the load changes that I described in the posting above supports this faked operation....
« Last Edit: June 27, 2015, 10:37:54 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2015, 07:55:47 PM »
In this video from one day earlier from the 19th of June,
the starting process is totally different !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7X0aR5TLqc

There the handwheel and the chains already accelerate when Andre turns them
by hand. Probably there the tachogenerator still worked and told the control computer
to turn on the power via the Wireless antenna in the next room for the hidden cable that comes
through the floor and the table leg...

You can see, that here the 2 starts they show look very different as the motor already accelerates the chains
when Andre starts to turn the handwheel.

Also you can see, that the light and heater loads are only turned on at exactly the same moment also the
compressor is turned on.
This you can see in this video at Minute 32:36 as he toggles the upper black switch at the cabinet.
The floor lamp in the background is turned away from the camera, but you can see its yellow light on the floor
reflecting. So all the loads are switched on at this time together with the compressor..

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Gaia Rosch AuKW Auftriebskraftwerk KPP why it does not work
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2015, 09:34:05 PM »
Well, just saw that Andre has made a mistake on 20th of June at the start!

He had the black switch in the upper right Cabinetbox when he started not at the 12 o´clock position
but in the 2 o´clock position ....!

He only realized this , when after a few  seconds of turning the handwheel the chains did not pickup any speed!

Then he goes quickly to the control cabinet´s back and pulls the black switch  quickly into the 12 clock position .. back!

Only then the motor starts and accelerates the chains and the handwheel!

I have compared this with the 2 starts that Sterling has filmed on 19th of June and with
the video J.D. made also on the 18th.

There the black switch at the startup is set correctly at the 12 o´clock position !

Well, so as Andre did this error, we now know that it is a fake and that the generator  is really a motor !

He probably asked himself when he was standing there with his lolly stick in his mouth after the start and looked so thoughtfully to the device
whether someone has noticed that.

He probably thought: "Man, why didn´t I think of that stupid black switch and now  Sterling has recorded everything" ....

So Sterling has helped in principle by filming the error from Andre to uncover the fake !
« Last Edit: June 28, 2015, 02:16:13 AM by hartiberlin »

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