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Author Topic: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.  (Read 105210 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2015, 03:44:30 PM »
Sigh:    .Buoyant force is the difference between the gravitational force on a mass, and the equivalent mass of the atmosphere that the first mass displaces.  Buoyancy introduces an offset to the net force just as a counterbalance does.  Counter balances don't make energy sources.That is just wrong as energy is the integral of F*ds.LOL.

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Gravity is a conservative field.
Another bunch of cod's wollop. How can gravity be a conservative force when it's not a constant?

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Take something through an arbitrary path from one point and back to that point and there is no gain or loss in gravitational potential energy:  Zero, nada

More rubbish. This is time dependant only,as gravitational forces change during the day. Do we live on planet earth here,or some other planet? :o

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There exists no laws of physics that restrict this from occurring.
The only restrictions that exists are in our ability to create and remove the conditions of buoyancy, which boils down to human ingenuity.

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That is a steaming load of poo.  It is equivalent to saying:  "The only restrictions that exist in our ability to make gravity non-conservative and thus a source of energy traversing a path one way and an energy destroyer in the other."

Gravity is not a constant,and thus,it is NOT conservative.
No,a source of energy traversing one way is then transformed into another type of energy upon it's return on that same path.

It amazes me how fast the guru's here are to jump on some ones comment's,when working modles exist right here on planet earth that proves the guru's wrong. It's no wonder we are getting no where with rubbish like this being hammered into those that have great idea's.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2015, 03:44:30 PM »

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #61 on: April 28, 2015, 03:51:41 PM »
Tinman,

I agree completely. Please check your PM's.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #62 on: April 28, 2015, 03:54:26 PM »


This is one example of such ingenuity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPEOlQ2_uA&feature=youtu.be

This is a really interesting device !
Normally you loose the water at the top, when the floats have reached the top,
but here you donĀ“t see the water falling...
Hmm,...

also they have  have a 3rd Tube there seemingly only filled with water.. hmm,
maybe this helps ?? Or they just have a hidden water pump there also, that you can not hear...

Anyway back to Gaia-Rosch, today they published a comparison between their power meter and the
Hall power meter, but the time difference between taking these pictures was only 1 minute shown on the mobile phone...

That is really ridiculous, as the hall is pretty big and nowhere a Power Meter to see there, so they really
need a fit runner to get this all sprinted outside the hall to the next Power Meter and hold thze camera still
besides the power meter and taking another picture... all in just under 1 minute ???
Probably fake again...





Anyway, at least this Ronny Korsberg took now a video of the event, although it is shaky you can hear at least the unit now a bit.


http://pesn.com/2015/04/28/9602613_Ronny-Korsberg_is-very-confident_Rosch-KPP-GAIA-AuKW_is-real/

Here is the Video, that Sterling has edited together from the things Ronny took at Spich:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIjTw-jLE9I

Here is the Interview from Sterling with Ronny:

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2015/04/28/9602613_Ronny-Korsberg_is-very-confident_Rosch-KPP-GAIA-AuKW_is-real/ronny778898_2015-04-27_16-03-00.mp3

Well, it is all very fishy and I am more and more beleaving Rosch and Gaia together are into this Fake...
Mr. Beiser, from whom I thought he would be a good guy, cause he helped to build this great HHO double cell
at GAIA, now seems to be in it with Rosch faking it all...too bad...

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #63 on: April 28, 2015, 04:11:13 PM »
Anyway back to Gaia-Rosch, today they published a comparison between their power meter and the
Hall power meter, but the time difference between taking these pictures was only 1 minute shown on the mobile phone...

That is really ridiculous, as the hall is pretty big and nowhere a Power Meter to see there, so they really
need a fit runner to get this all sprinted outside the hall to the next Power Meter and hold thze camera still
besides the power meter and taking another picture... all in just under 1 minute ???
Probably fake again...

<img src="http://gaia-energy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/150428-Zaehlersta%CC%88ndeROSCH.jpg" />

Hi Stefan,

It's not THAT big of a facility. I could easily conceive of myself getting the two readings one minute apart, at even a brisk walk. But with me, I would have run.

Do you really believe a company that big, with as many employees as they have, and all the volunteers at GAIA, would be together on a scam? These are Germans/ Austrians we are talking about. You should know better than that, about your own people. Maybe one or two isolated bad apples might be possible, but not a whole team of them. Doesn't measure up.

Here are a couple of photos from Ronny that give a new angle to the facility. It's big, but not huge.

I'm guessing that the plastic thing inside the 100 kW demo tube is one of the floats.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #64 on: April 28, 2015, 04:37:35 PM »
Mark E'Gravity is a conservative field.'

Besides the point.we're interested in heat not gravity

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #65 on: April 28, 2015, 06:35:44 PM »
Another bunch of cod's wollop. How can gravity be a conservative force when it's not a constant?

More rubbish. This is time dependant only,as gravitational forces change during the day. Do we live on planet earth here,or some other planet? :o

Gravity is not a constant,and thus,it is NOT conservative.
It is very disappointing that you do not grasp the difference between a conservative field and constant force, or the meaning of conservative even when I have spelled that meaning out.
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No,a source of energy traversing one way is then transformed into another type of energy upon it's return on that same path.

It amazes me how fast the guru's here are to jump on some ones comment's,when working modles exist right here on planet earth that proves the guru's wrong. It's no wonder we are getting no where with rubbish like this being hammered into those that have great idea's.
You do yourself no favors with nonsense posts like these.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2015, 06:37:46 PM »
Mark E'Gravity is a conservative field.'

Besides the point.we're interested in heat not gravity
So you think that white tube in the corner is some kind of heat engine? Sources and sinks. We see the white IR panels presumably radiating 4.8 kW of heat power into the space of the building. That means that at least that much heat power must be being absorbed by the white tube apparatus somehow, moving the float chain (since we know gravity cannot do it and even if it could it could only provide 200 watts or less of mechanical power), driving the generator and air compressor and eventually winding up as heat coming out of the panels?

Take three portable electric heaters of 1500 watts rating each, turn them on and stand in front of them. Feel anything? Now go over and put your hand on that big white tube full of water. Feel anything? 

I ask yet again: Where is the power supposed to be coming from? It has been clearly shown that it cannot actually be coming from gravity aka buoyancy, and water density doesn't vary enough over any reasonable temperature range for that to be effective, and the device as a whole isn't frosting up or even condensing water on the outside. It's made of commercial off the shelf items like the generator and air pump, chain and sprockets, and some purpose-built floats (allegedly). So where is the power supposed to be coming from? Clearly, it is _not_ a heat engine because there is no _source_ sufficient to provide that much heat power and there is no _mechanism_ by which any heat source could be converted to mechanical motion in the device. And it's not a gravity/buoyancy engine, as many different sets of calculations have shown -- the mechanism, operating at any conceivable speed, cannot provide more than a few hundred watts of power.
So where is the power supposed to be coming from?


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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #67 on: April 28, 2015, 06:37:59 PM »
Hi Stefan,

It's not THAT big of a facility. I could easily conceive of myself getting the two readings one minute apart, at even a brisk walk. But with me, I would have run.

Do you really believe a company that big, with as many employees as they have, and all the volunteers at GAIA, would be together on a scam? These are Germans/ Austrians we are talking about. You should know better than that, about your own people. Maybe one or two isolated bad apples might be possible, but not a whole team of them. Doesn't measure up.

Here are a couple of photos from Ronny that give a new angle to the facility. It's big, but not huge.

I'm guessing that the plastic thing inside the 100 kW demo tube is one of the floats.
Do you really believe that 2000 years of hydrostatics is fundamentally wrong?

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2015, 07:16:51 PM »
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I'm guessing that the plastic thing inside the 100 kW demo tube is one of the floats.

lol  That white demo tube looks about as strong as a giant Styrofoam cup.

I have no idea what "the facility" is supposed to be, but it looks pretty barren to me.  You know that Australian guy that made the fake solar trackers?  He set up a fake "production plant" which was just a few tables in this big empty building with people "on the line" feigning making some of those solar contraptions.  Otherwise the place was empty.  It was a big stock pump and dump scam.

An output shaft, and low RPM...  Imagine the astronomical toque that baby must put out.  Any mechanical engineers out there?  It might require a steel shaft that's 5 inches in diameter!

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2015, 08:34:17 PM »
Hey Mark.. or anyone familiar with the physics/math problem being touted as proof that Buoyancy Tower can't work.
I have some questions.

I was in the shower trying to fathom how this might work
when a little song came into my head.
it went something like this.

hmm ~ 9 TANKS A PULLING WHILE 1 TANK IS FILLING ~ hmm

So here's my thought...

If there is a limit to the energy it takes to fill 1 tank,
   then there is a limit to the number of air filled tanks
          that together would possess the potential energy required to fill 1 tank.
              (given a movement of about a foot that releases a small portion of the total potential)

Since the apparatus must be started by mains power my questions are this.

 1.Does the Problem start with the potential energy of the pulling floats and their movement when it compares to the energy to fill a  single float?
    (this is the logical place to start since this is where the Unexplained Energy Source starts)

2. Why couldn't X number of floats above the empty one ... possess the potential energy released through a small movement to to fill 1 float with air?

Thanks so much to anyone who can answer these questions !

Best Regards,
                      The Observer

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Offline profitis

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #70 on: April 28, 2015, 09:00:15 PM »
Tinselkoala' Clearly, it is
_not_ a heat engine because there is no _source_
sufficient to provide that much heat power and there
is no _mechanism_ by which any heat source could
be converted to mechanical motion in the device'

 I can think of a good few mechanisms if electrolysis is involved here but I can't makeout if it is.but as you say the cop-claim is far out wild

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2015, 10:04:30 PM »
I can't make any claims to the Rosch device, it may very well be all a scam.
But if we want to just make blanket assumptions and apply them to all buoyancy devices claiming them to "not work", maybe someone didn't have enough balloons as a kid.

Consider this: a weighted diver under 100 feet of sea water requires a sustained 40 newtons of force to pull him to the surface.
                     
This is provided, using Buoyancy, with only a short burst of 1.6 Newtons of force, inflating his life vest from a CO2 cartridge.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2015, 10:07:26 PM »
So you think that white tube in the corner is some kind of heat engine? Sources and sinks. We see the white IR panels presumably radiating 4.8 kW of heat power into the space of the building. That means that at least that much heat power must be being absorbed by the white tube apparatus somehow,

Or it could just be 41 degrees in Germany and they need to heat their workspace....

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2015, 10:21:54 PM »
It is very disappointing that you do not grasp the difference between a conservative field and constant force, or the meaning of conservative even when I have spelled that meaning out.You do yourself no favors with nonsense posts like these.

I think what he means mark, is that if you lift an object through the gravitational field during a time of day when the gravitational force is lower,
Then hold it there until the force fluctuates to a higher value, you have a gain in potential energy with no cost.

That should not be defined as solely "conservative". Because it could be used in a non-conservative manner.
    albeit not economical

This difference in force, is the basis for all gravity powered devices. Whether they utilize buoyancy, magnetism, or fluctuations in the gravitational field.

What we should be looking at, is " change in force". And how much energy is involved to initiate this change.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2015, 11:49:45 PM »
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I think what he means mark, is that if you lift an object through the gravitational field during a time of day when the gravitational force is lower,
Then hold it there until the force fluctuates to a higher value, you have a gain in potential energy with no cost.

You might pay a price with the slowing or speeding up of the Earth's rotation and/or the changing of the moon's orbit.

The point being that you are making crazy talk.  Does your position relative to the center of mass of the Earth change a bit over the course of a day, perhaps because of the way the tidal waves move across the Earth?  It might.  The question is how much.

Why don't you take on the challenge?  See if you can find any real data about some kind of "wobble" in the position of the center of mass of the Earth over the course of one day and a given point on the surface of the Earth.

Then all that you have to do is crunch the numbers.  Use one kilogram moving up and down one meter as your test apparatus.

Let's see your calculation in Joules gained by this process.

I can take a wackadoo guess for you:  It may be smaller than 10^-30 Joules.

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