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Author Topic: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.  (Read 105208 times)

Offline profitis

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2015, 09:35:39 PM »
Dena:' still believe by right calculation of number of balls
attached to chain and height of water we will get the
F1+F2> F3
correct?'


Nobody.and I mean nobody is taking into account the density change of water while it cools while the bubbles expand upwards.more density of water more work obtainable,at the same time.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2015, 09:35:39 PM »

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2015, 11:08:45 PM »
Dena:' still believe by right calculation of number of balls
attached to chain and height of water we will get the
F1+F2> F3
correct?'


Nobody.and I mean nobody is taking into account the density change of water while it cools while the bubbles expand upwards.more density of water more work obtainable,at the same time.

You have got to be kidding me. The change in the density of water between 5 degrees C and 95 degrees C is LESS THAN FOUR PERCENT.  For the very slight temperature change that _might_ occur in a device such as has been pictured... where the volume of surrounding water is much greater than the possible amount displaced by the floaters filled with air... the density change will be so small as not to have any significant effect on efficiency. Less than one half of one percent under generous assumptions about temperature change.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2015, 12:38:47 AM »
Well today were no new pictures and no new reports from visitors.

It seems everybody is only watching the Livestream, but there you can also not see much...
Just Mr. Beiser a few times before the panel boxes explaining stuff to visitors that you canĀ“t see,
as the LiveCam is pointed into the tube direction....

Anyway we had a few new calculations inside the overunity.de forum today but
it is getting clear, that it is all a big fake and the generator can not generate 5 KWatts
from this torque and mechanical power there..
See:
http://www.overunity.de/1797/rosch-auftriebskraftwerk-gaia-auftriebs-kraftwerk-wie-es-funktioniert/msg40107/#msg40107

Use Google translator.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2015, 02:08:09 AM »
Did they tell folks on the live Youtube feed to "Believe or leave?"

That statement alone should tell you all you need to know.

Holy cow.

Bill

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2015, 06:01:17 AM »
Stefan
Its unusual for a group of honest fellows to suddenly go bad , Do any of these guys have a shady history?

this Mr.Bieser  is he a learned man ..scientist or . . . a Carnival sideshow hawker ?
any of the others  ??

Looking at your calculations and Tinsels observation  ..either there is a Huge misunderstanding of how this is doing what they say it can do ...
or somebody is really Nutty to think that this will not end very very badly.


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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2015, 06:09:53 AM »
Stefan
Its unusual for a group of honest fellows to suddenly go bad , Do any of these guys have a shady history?

this Mr.Bieser  is he a learned man ..scientist or . . . a Carnival sideshow hawker ?
any of the others  ??

Looking at your calculations and Tinsels observation  ..either there is a Huge misunderstanding of how this is doing what they say it can do ...
or somebody is really Nutty to think that this will not end very very badly.

Chet:

I know you asked Stefan, but see my above post based upon what Stefan first reported and ask yourself if learned science type guys would cop that attitude.  Even an uneducated guy that stumbled upon a working device through invention and hard work doing tests would not say that would they?  Even Sterling is being a bit cautious on this one.  I think this will end badly.

Bill

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2015, 06:33:10 AM »
Stefan
Its unusual for a group of honest fellows to suddenly go bad , Do any of these guys have a shady history?

this Mr.Bieser  is he a learned man ..scientist or . . . a Carnival sideshow hawker ?
any of the others  ??

Looking at your calculations and Tinsels observation  ..either there is a Huge misunderstanding of how this is doing what they say it can do ...
or somebody is really Nutty to think that this will not end very very badly.
Buoyancy is not an energy source.  Buoyancy drives don't work.

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Offline minnie

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2015, 11:03:42 AM »



 The way I look at it is what would happen if you ran the thing with a 5Kw. motor?
 I reckon if you did this it would go crazy, Just look at the output of a 5Kw, water
 pump with virtually no head,that's shifting a whole lot of water!
            J.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2015, 11:07:34 AM »
Buoyancy is not an energy source.  Buoyancy drives don't work.

Buoyancy, as described by commonly accepted physics, is a force.

Gravity is also a force.
Where there is a difference in force, there exists an energy potential between two defined points.
In the proper confinement, the buoyant force can be used to impart motion on an object in the vertical direction.
When the buoyant force is then removed, there exists another potential energy within the gravitational field.
The difference between these forces, over distance, represents a potential energy than can be used to perform work.
There exists no laws of physics that restrict this from occurring.
The only restrictions that exists are in our ability to create and remove the conditions of buoyancy, which boils down to human ingenuity.

This is one example of such ingenuity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPEOlQ2_uA&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2015, 11:16:43 AM »
Buoyancy is really just a force derived from gravity.

You spend your entire life combating the tyranny of gravity.  You are trying to push up and it always works to push you down.  When you climb up high, you have the illusion of energy when you fall.

It wins in the end, and you never got one iota of energy from it.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2015, 12:45:25 PM »
Buoyancy, as described by commonly accepted physics, is a force.

Gravity is also a force.
Where there is a difference in force, there exists an energy potential between two defined points.
In the proper confinement, the buoyant force can be used to impart motion on an object in the vertical direction.
When the buoyant force is then removed, there exists another potential energy within the gravitational field.
The difference between these forces, over distance, represents a potential energy than can be used to perform work.
There exists no laws of physics that restrict this from occurring.
The only restrictions that exists are in our ability to create and remove the conditions of buoyancy, which boils down to human ingenuity.

This is one example of such ingenuity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPEOlQ2_uA&feature=youtu.be
Smoky-do you have any more info on that device in the video ?. There will be those here that just blow it away as rubbish-cant happen,but i see potential in this one. From what i can make out,the bouyant ball's/weights-what ever they are,rise to the top of the fluid filled tube,and push the top ball out back down the tube without the fluid in it. The fluid looks quite dense-like oil or something. Im guessing the balls pass through some sort of one way clacker valve at the bottom. If there is enough kinetic energy in the balls to overcome the pressure the fluid is exerting on the valve,then this device may actually work. Watching the video several times,i could actually see the balls pass through the one way valve,and then start the journey back to the top in the fluid filled tube.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2015, 01:21:40 PM »
Something in the lower tank is pushing the ball back into the tube. It will require a huge force to do so. That's why it is not shown close up.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2015, 01:56:25 PM »
Something in the lower tank is pushing the ball back into the tube. It will require a huge force to do so. That's why it is not shown close up.
pomodoro
I have watched the video several times in full screen,and you can see the balls enter the valve,and flow through a U bend,and straight up the fluid filled tube. I dont think the large box on the bottom is any sort of power source,i think it's just a frame for the rest of the tank to sit on.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2015, 02:32:25 PM »
Buoyancy, as described by commonly accepted physics, is a force.

Gravity is also a force.
Where there is a difference in force, there exists an energy potential between two defined points.
Sigh:  Gravity is a conservative field.  Take something through an arbitrary path from one point and back to that point and there is no gain or loss in gravitational potential energy:  Zero, nada.
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In the proper confinement, the buoyant force can be used to impart motion on an object in the vertical direction.
When the buoyant force is then removed, there exists another potential energy within the gravitational field.
Buoyant force is the difference between the gravitational force on a mass, and the equivalent mass of the atmosphere that the first mass displaces.  Buoyancy introduces an offset to the net force just as a counterbalance does.  Counter balances don't make energy sources.
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The difference between these forces, over distance, represents a potential energy than can be used to perform work.
That is just wrong as energy is the integral of F*ds.
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There exists no laws of physics that restrict this from occurring.
The only restrictions that exists are in our ability to create and remove the conditions of buoyancy, which boils down to human ingenuity.
That is a steaming load of poo.  It is equivalent to saying:  "The only restrictions that exist in our ability to make gravity non-conservative and thus a source of energy traversing a path one way and an energy destroyer in the other."
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This is one example of such ingenuity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPEOlQ2_uA&feature=youtu.be
LOL.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2015, 02:44:29 PM »
Milehigh'you spend your entire life combating the tyranny of
gravity.  You are trying to push up and it always
works to push you down.  When you climb up high,
you have the illusion of energy when you fall.
It wins in the end, and you never got one iota of
energy from it'


Well I guess your new to capillatory and its deviancies

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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