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Author Topic: Is Newton's Law At Risk?  (Read 35539 times)

gravityblock

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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2015, 02:15:22 AM »
I took a few additional pictures with the motor sitting on a table next to my bicycle so you could get an idea for the size of the motor.  I'm going to mount the motor behind the seat and above the rear tire.  I'm working on the mounting frame now.  The motor only weighs 22 lbs.  It's a 79cc motor and I only paid $79 for it.  They had a 212cc motor for $15 dollars more, but I was worried about the size of the motor.  It wasn't much bigger, but I thought it would be too big for the bike.  If I had the money, then I would've bought both of them and used the 212cc motor for another project.


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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2015, 03:10:45 AM »

Webby,

You should check out the electric Zero motorcycle.  This could be the end to gas powered motorcycles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG9HOnZCDK8


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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2015, 01:47:42 PM »
I'll be using a gear drive to the rear sprocket, similar to this setup, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPTVTFYIRc

The mounting frame will also be attached to the frame of the bicycle underneath the seat for additional support.  I'll be wearing a helmet.  I probably won't take the bike over 45mph.  I wanted a bigger engine for climbing hills.  I just have to make sure I get the gear ratios correct.

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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2015, 04:04:37 PM »
Apparently you don't understand. There already is a gear between the two purple flywheels.

Noones, I believe that every rock has been turned.

Nothing works, Bobby, universal engine. After falling again for these tricks.

Only 2 rocks remain unturned.

The variant chalkalis, the mikovic, your design, the pulse.

Or

The umberto stanieri hydraulic and magnet hammer.

come to the batcave, quick.

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Re: Is Newton's Law At Risk?
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2015, 05:16:27 AM »

The problem with mechanical oscillations, such as the gear weights, is the phase shift of the reactionary forces,, like with coils and stuff,, they are not in sync with what you might think they should be.

The maximum tension that can be transferred would need to be way before the weight is making the turn so that the center of the weight and the axle for the gear are lined up in the direction of tension from the "ropes", that point would need to be when the center of the weight is lined up 90 degrees to the "ropes", this is not the place where that happens,, that position, 90 degrees, has no force applied in the direction of the tension being taken out,, so at that point there is no deceleration of the gear frame and no subsequent acceleration of the weight.

As the weight is making that turn and a force is growing on the axle for the gear there is a force in the direction of the "ropes" that is building,, now  *IF* that force is made "mushy" by the transfer into the "ropes" the amount of stored potential is split between the "mush" and accelerating the weight,, well first decelerating the weight and then having that force of deceleration convert into an increase in relative radial velocity and then sending the weight backwards,, in the opposite direction relative to the gear frame.

Just stick a weight on the end of a ruler and a pencil in the hole at the other end,, it takes some patience,, but you can see and feel that to make the weight and ruler spin up,, you are not pushing and or pulling the pencil in line with the weight,, there is an angle of the ruler to the direction you push or pull the pencil,, you can think of this like a phase shift,, a delayed mechanical transfer.

With mechanical systems these kind of interactions are not so easy to identify until you have played with them while looking for these exact interactions,, I did not even think to look for them until I was like in my mid 20's,, and that was when I was remembering playing a game where you swing your nut on a string and bash the opponents nut,, the first to have there nut destroyed looses,, it was in the aiming of the swing and accelerating the nut when I went,, oh!  not that I did not know that I was not pulling the string and nut in a straight line but I just never thought about.

https://www.google.com/search?q=konkers+game&revid=732469954&sa=X&ei=OcI9Vf2HPIHyoATproCgDA&ved=0CFwQ1QIoAQ&biw=1280&bih=817#q=conkers+game&spell=1

Is Kanarev using custom electronic clutches from 135o to 180o to overcome the phase shift of the reactionary forces and in order to transfer the maximum torque to the rope/chain.  The two weights are always  positioned 180o relative to one another, as they rotate?  Is this correct?

What if we disengaged the gear frame from the unbalanced gears with an electronic clutch prior to when the weights begin to move backwards relative to the gear frame, and engage the clutch when the weights begin to move forwards or in the same direction as the gear frame?  In this configuration, the gear frame itself would have a rotation instead of an oscillation. 

Since we got rid of the oscillating gear frame, then the weights will always be moving in the same direction as the gear frame. When the gear frame is disengaged, then this should allow the weights to accelerate while the gear frame heads towards a uniform motion, and when the gear frame is engaged, then the weights will begin to decelerate and move towards a uniform motion as it transfers it's momentum to the gear frame allowing it to once again accelerate or to maintain a near uniform motion.  This would turn it into a pulsed type motor, and be analogous to pushing a kid on a swing at the right moment.  I do remember Linevitch referring to a pulse in his publication.  I'll have to re-read his publication with this in mind

If the above isn't correct, then how is Kanarev using the custom electronic clutches?  What you said about the weight on the ruler and moving the pencil at the right angle in order for the weight to move up does make sense to me, so I'll also be studying how this reactionary force applies to Whoopy's replication. 

Thanks for your feedback and participation in this thread!  Oh, and I'll keep you updated with the progress on the motor bike.

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