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Author Topic: Trompe !!!!!  (Read 8756 times)

Offline Madeo

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Trompe !!!!!
« on: April 03, 2015, 06:33:25 PM »

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Trompe !!!!!
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Re: Trompe !!!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2015, 04:51:04 AM »
Great find very nice!

But would the collected air pressure be enough to pump the water back to the input?

I think this is what this guy is trying to do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv1lQA-tnwo

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2015, 07:18:24 AM »
I do not think it's the air pressure that's pushing the water back. The collected air pressure is simply a side-effect of this process.  Gravity is the one that is responsible for pushing the water out the exit pipe.  The input pipe is higher than the output pipe. I believe he stated that a difference of one meter between the pipes is all that is required. Unfortunately, His drawing was terrible and hard to understand why it works, but I found an illustration that depicts the design he was talking about.  The principle is exactly the same as the ones posted on the other website.


It appears to be a technology that was forgotten or buried as he claimed,  but the physics/idea is solid. I just happen to come across this purely by accident when I was randomly clicking on youtube videos, but it gave me the feeling that this is important.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2015, 03:16:26 PM by Madeo »

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Re: Trompe !!!!!
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2015, 09:07:36 PM »

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Re: Trompe !!!!!
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2015, 03:21:30 PM »
Thanks for looking that up Spirit.


I think those designs are wrong in my opinion.  They are closed loop and doesn't make any sense.  I'm not sure if that's an honest mistake or deliberate. From the sources I have originally posted,  It clearly show or mentioned that there is an input and output pipe where the input is higher than the output. This allows gravity to push the water out on it's own without using external energy or the compressed air.


I read somewhere that the longest trompe ever built ran for 40 years without maintenance.  That's impressive !!

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Re: Trompe !!!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2015, 12:09:23 AM »
@spirit

Qute from Spirit  "I think this is what this guy is trying to do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv1lQA-tnwo"

 I doesn't appear to me that's what he is after,  just higher pressure, while still being able to use
he water after the trompe.

            cheers



 

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Re: Trompe !!!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2015, 11:17:03 PM »
I've not seen this before. I think it's worth exploring.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9NqqDL6bkk

http://www.motherearthnews.com/renewable-energy/hydro-power-zmaz77jazbon.aspx


http://awramedia.org/mainblog/2012/07/23/russell-redux-microbubbles-water-conservation-climate-change-vive-la-trompe/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I85esMMoRa4




I'm just pasting all the information I can find out about it, but there aren't much around even on google.
This is interesting stuff. You need an open system with downstream of water to make this work.
The compressed air in the underground reservoir is at the mercy of the amount of bubbles being dragged down by the water. You can achieve high pressurized air, but if you use it to power anything, the pressure is only maintained by the amount of bubbles dragged into the reservoir. So the work done by any device that is powered by air pressure, will run down fast if the air requirements are higher than the air that is available from the bubbles.
And no, you cannot close this system into a perpetual machine or over unity machine. It needs constant supply of water from a level higher than the output. Normally the sun which is vaporizing water from the sea and return the water as rain into the mountains will maintain the downstrem of water through this trompe.


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Re: Trompe !!!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2015, 03:18:07 AM »
Yes,  It's not an overunity device.  It is, however, a clean renewable energy that has the following benefits:


1. Not as destructive as hydroelectric dams (much smaller footprint)
2. Enrich the water with oxygen and cleans it (to certain degree) which is beneficial to life
3. No maintenance required. Trompe built in Canada ran 40 years without maintenance.
4. Multiple trompes can be built on the same water source while dams can only be built once.


I haven't seen any cons of this ancient technology yet that I have managed to read,  but then again the information about it is fairly limited. I'd like to keep this idea in my toolbox. I believe this is worth considering as an alternative energy source than the current systems we have.

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2015, 07:07:57 PM »
It should be easy to build a miniature trompe - just to measure the potential it has in energy capacity. When I think about it, the energy output would be little less than the potential energy in the water mass (Taking into consideration all the bubbles that makes the total density much less than pure water, hence the lighter weight of the water column) that flows down the pipe into the reservoir of air. We would need a huge trompe if it should provide energy for households.


Very interesting anyways. No moving parts :-)



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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2015, 11:25:52 AM »
I found this video using a trompe to pump air into the water to oxygenate it.  Notice the amount of air discharged relative to the water intake/output.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7nfp6S5O0




That's quite a hefty amount of air more than enough to be practical in energy production. A tank the size of a propane tank would fill up with compress air most likely under a minute.

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Re: Trompe !!!!!
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2015, 07:14:35 PM »
I believe you all might be interested in the following website which is dedicated to the work of Charles Havelock Taylor on developing successful industrial hydraulic compressed air plants, especially the Ragged Chutes plant discussed in the above Mother Earth News link.

 http://charleshtaylor.blogspot.com/2009/02/hydraulic-air-compressor-brief-history.html

 

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